Police Abuse

Families of Eric Garner, Michael Brown, Tamir Rice, and Other Recent Victims of Police Violence Gather for 'Justice for All March' in D.C.

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A mass of people came together in Washington, D.C., Saturday for a national march against police violence. The crowd gathered in front of the White House and marched toward the U.S. Capitol, stopping on Pennsylvania Avenue, where the families of Eric Garner, Mike Brown, Tamir Rice, and other young men recently killed by American police spoke about their heartbreak and their hopes for some meaning to come from the death of their loved ones.

The Reverend Al Sharpton, whose nonprofit National Action Network organized today's "Justice For All March", presided over the event. I showed up near the Capitol just in time to catch to Sharpton and the family members speaking. The crowd was much larger than I'd imagined, stretching down several blocks and fanning out thick in all directions around the stage and screens reflecting it. I have no idea how many people were there—Sharpton says 50,000, which seems dubious; most coverage so far is just saying "thousands". Regardless, there were a lot of people—buses had been organized from around the north and south east—many holding signs or wearing t-shirts printed with "Black Lives Matter", "Hands Up, Don't Shoot", and "I Can't Breathe".

Sharpton took the stage, calling for a spate of uninspiring reforms that mostly seemed to revolve around shifting more power from states to the federal government; he was better spouting the kind of rhetoric that may not really translate directly to politics but makes people feel like they are a part of something that has momentum and potential. Whatever you feel about Sharpton, the man can rally a crowd.

"This is not a black march, or a white march, but an American march for the rights of American people," said Sharpton. Bad cops and their allies "thought it would be kept quiet. You thought you'd sweep it under the rug. You thought there'd be no limelight. But we're going to keep the light on Michael Brown, on Eric Garner, on Tamir Rice, on all of these victims because the only way—I come out of the hood—the only way you make roaches run is you got to cut the light on." 

Sharpton brought the families of Brown, Garner, and others up on stage, and they took turns speaking. Some of their stories are well-known, some not; some led the crowd in short chants; many thanked the crowd for being there; most spoke of justice. 

"My husband was a quiet man", said Garner's wife, Esaw, after thanking the crowd. "But he's making a lot of noise right now." One of Garner's daughters spoke about what a good father and family man he was. 

Samaria Rice, the mom of 12-year-old Tamir Rice—fatally shot by a Cleveland police officer for holding a toy gun—announced the newly-released results of her son's autopsy: it was ruled a homicide. In November, Tamir was shot by Officer Timothy Loehman within two seconds of the police car pulling up beside him in the park after receiving a 911 call from someone who reported a "probably fake" gun. 

The father of 22-year-old John Crawford, shot by Ohio police in WalMart for carrying around a pellet rifle he picked up there and planned to buy, said he was there so everyone would remember his son's name. "Please stay focused," he urged, stressing that his son hadn't been gunned down by cops "on the streets" but at America's number one retailer. Not only did the family not "get one condolence" from WalMart, the company refused to release the footage from store cameras of Crawford's death. 

The brother of Cary Ball Jr., shot 25 times by St. Louis police officers in 2013, spoke and urged audience members to remember his brother's name alongside more recent, high-profile victims of police violence.  

Levar Jones, the man shot by a South Carolina state trooper as he was reaching for his license at the officer's request, spoke at the rally alongside his wife. The incident was caught on a widely-circulated dashcam video ("Sir, why was I shot?" Jones asks as he's lying on the ground). In this case the officer, Sean Groubert, was actually arrested and is facing a felony charge of aggravated assault and battery. Jones urged those in the crowd to connect with one another and others in their individual communities to keep an appetite for reform alive. 

Though most of the family members ended with hopeful remarks about obtaining justice or change, Kadiatou Diallo—mother of Amadou Diallo, the unarmed 23-year-old shot down by four white New York Police Department officers in 1999 (all were aquitted)—offered a sobering reminder that momentum can be meaningless, or at least painstakingly slow to build into any actual change. Diallo held up a 2000 issue of Time magazine and noted that her son's story had made it on the cover; the crowd cheered. She read the cover blurb: Cops, Brutality & Race. "And today," said Diallo, "16 years later we are standing still and debating the same thing." If a palpable awkward silence can descend on a crowd of thousands, it did.

Diallo spoke also of Sean Bell, the New York man gunned down along with two friends by NYPD on the day before his wedding in 2006. The men had been at a strip club where police were investigating prostitution, and apparently rubbed cops the wrong way—they used 50 bullets between the three young men. Diallo went to see them in the hospital. Bell was handcuffed to the hospital bed. 

In all of these cases we have to ask the same question: "Why (do) our sons look suspicious?" said Diallo. "Time and time again, we are going through the same history, and reliving the tragedy every time, … Our sons died so that we could come here and review what is happening," have a conversation, make reforms, and then heal. "We want to heal," Diallo added, with all the doubt and wariness but cautious optimism of someone who's been fighting this particular battle for more than a decade. "We need healing America."

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  1. “The families of Eric Garner, Mike Brown, Tamir Rice, Trayvon Martin, and other young men recently killed by American police” . . .

    I’m sorry, when was Trayvon Martin killed by police? Before or after he he attacked George Zimmerman?

    1. White Hispanic Policeman!

    2. Bah, you’re right, bad sentence. Corrected.

      1. Or point partially taken, anyway…

        1. Zimmerman was “policin'”. Just for a different gang.

        2. ENB, your ticket works on my fairy, dear… wait, is that how you spell oceanic navigation into the gates of astral projections?

    3. The news report I saw tonight said that Martin was killed by “a security guard.” They’re now giving Zimmerman more authority because that serves the current narrative. He’s no longer some vigilante, self-appointed neighborhood watchman.

      1. Zimmerman was acting as a private citizen, in the absence of effective policing in his neighborhood. That, of course, is what Vigilantism is about. It can be very bad indeed. But it can also be very necessary; see the history of the San Francisco Committee of Vigilance

        And here’s the thing; if the police aren’t trustworthy (and they seem bent on proving that they aren’t), then citizen Vigilance is what is going to have to step into the breech. To a degree, it already has in Ferguson. The Oath Keepers and the other private persons who are defending businesses from rioters are classic cases in point.

        The Liberal Establishment is going to HATE this. They were all over Zimmerman, not because he was a racist, or because he shot some fool kid (who was, by the evidence, beating the snot out of him), but because the very LAST thing they want to see is individual citizens doing the jobs that traditionally belong to the government, and which the Liberal Establishment aren’t interested in seeing the government do.

        Push comes to shove, there are a lot of American citizens, of all colors, who aren’t going to go for “let the mob rule the streets, and we can play benevolent patrons” model of governance beloved of the Progressives. They are armed (and doesn’t THAT annoy their “betters”) and they are going to insist on their right to defend themselves and their property. And trying to mob them is going to be messy.

  2. Having Al Sharpton be a voice for your cause reduces the credibility of your cause.

    1. And all God’s people said “Amen”
      Preach it brother!

    2. True, if an understatement.

    3. in fifty odd years weve degenerated from King to Sharpton. there is “momentum” in America alright: it is pushing this country down, and at considerable speed.

    4. I wait with baited breath for the first Inner City Black movement that realizes just how much creed they can buy themselves in certain quarters by telling Sharpton firmly and publicly to Stay Home.

      1. I want to know what you are baiting your breath with? Nightcrawlers or crickets… maybe a Wooly Bugger?!?

    5. Sharpton is a man of God, at least he uses the title “Reverend”, so whatever he says must be the truth. Right? And even more favorably, he is a good friend of Obama’s. Obama wouldn’t associate with anyone who isn’t morally and ethically superior, would he?

  3. Despite the disconcerting ‘voices’ can America march for liberty? Is it possible in the country where liberty was born for citizens to mass against the state in a fashion respected by progressives, neocons, and libertarians?

    Can we question everything without revolution? Is revolution the only thing that can save America? I believe so.

    Love can change America. Because through ethics and liberty can the last bastione of freedom be maintained. FUCK congress. FUCK the senate. FUCK the president.

    This country is about US. NOT WASHINGTON!

    1. You know what would really change things. If you got a video camera, muscled your way towards elected officials and asked them TUFF KWESCHUNS! But, you know, have fun with your LOV3 R3VOLUTION, or whatever it is that you’re advocating.

      1. Love is for the season for friends. However, COmanche, you sexy hardcore indian I’ve broken every rule already ….

        This bitch survived being gang-banged by 12 dudes in 10th grade- I did suffer serious injuries… I also survived a hit by the Escobar gang in Toledo Ohio at 14… I also survived being almost destroyed by an elementary school punch out a 8 where dudes blacked my entire face up…. I also had to deal a coked up dude in 11th grade who simply hated me and required 5 grown men to drag his as out of strange school…

        Due to a series of crazy battles in 11th grade a wonderful black education professional looked at me over a hearing a said we don’t see your type here ever….. We need to affect change in the system…

        This was 1988.

        Marty, I don’t do nuttin?….

        By the way, I’ve got 50% Cherokee in me… and I’m related to some serious fucking crazy indian warriors…

        WHAT do yo do over a lifetime?

        1. Dear God, Cyborg is back on the acid. 🙁

          1. Shut it Ted, I’m pretty sure that in a couple hundred years people are going to find the remains of these threads and start a religion centered around the Zen riddle-like wisdom of the Guru Agile Cyborg.

            1. GAC GAC GAC GAC GAC!

  4. Cool, but isn’t Ferguson waaaaay different from the Staten Island and Cleveland murders?

    Cops are scum (and thieves), but details matters too.

    1. Hard to know when the police are the ones doing the investigating.

    2. Chose a side, man. We’re playing dodge ball here. Only two teams allowed.

    3. Some cops are indeed scum, if only the non-scum cops would get pissed off enough about being lumped in with the minority who are scum and deal with them.

      There are lots of cops who are good people and they need to pressure the bad cops and pressure their unions to stop defending the scumbags. Until that happens except to see respect for the police to continue to fall.

      When the boys in blue pull together to protect the scum, they have forfeited their honor and become part of the scummy problem.

      1. Is there incentive for a good cop to turn in a bad cop? Until the good cops have to pay a clear and direct price for turning a blind eye, nothing will change.

      2. There are lots of cops who are good people and they need to pressure the bad cops and pressure their unions to stop defending the scumbags. Until that happens except to see respect for the police to continue to fall.

        Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The only thing that will rein in police brutality is revocation of the laws placing cops beyond the law. When they are dealt with as the rest of us are, when they must play by the same rules we do, when they no longer have immunity from liability, when they are held accountable for their actions, when they go to “pound you in the ass” prison for their crimes, their abuses will stop.

        Until then…FYTW!

      3. Just had a chat with a cop (off duty) at my work the other day about all the news. You can tell he felt like it was politically motivated bullshit. And he gave the usual defenses “I can’t unarrest you after I tell you you are under arrest. I’m in a position to make you comply”.

        But he did concede he’s seen cops do a lot of fucked up shit. And he was all “Ah men, brother!” when I told him my stance was I’d like cops to be enforcing about half the laws they do now.

        Maybe there’s a soft sell way out there to get a small majority of cops on board. Probably has to be worded just right and by people they might respect in some capacity or another.

      4. Some cops are indeed scum, if only the non-scum cops would get pissed off enough about being lumped in with the minority who are scum and deal with them.

        I’m sure they are getting pissed off at the people doing the lumping in. And that’s the right attitude.

        The idea that people who happen to do the same kind of work for a living should be treated as a homogeneous group and be held responsible as a group is about as anti-libertarian as you can be.

  5. What? Justice for All? Not Justice for Blacks? When did Sharpton become such a white supremacist?

    I can’t believe that it’s been — what? — two days since the SJWs were screaming bloody murder about “All Lives Matter” being a racist slogan. Now, we have a slogan that more than a little reminiscent of just that sentiment, and the proglodytes are oblivious. They seriously don’t remember what they were upset about because, as we all know, they’re making the rules up as they go along. It’s the Shiny Object Syndrome that Tony suffers from. Every day is a new adventure, because there’s always something to distract you from the nonsense that you claimed formed your core principles just days, hours or even minutes ago.

    1. It’s no contradiction for them, in context. ‘All Lives Matter’ was seen as an affront as a response to ‘Black Live Matter,’ because the latter was meant to say ‘everyone agrees white lives matter, but blacks matter too.’ ‘Justice for All’ is meant to say ‘Whites Get Justice, But We Need Justice For All.’

      1. All lives matter. Yet, don’t we have a history of conscription and friends on the left wishing to reinstate it? All lives cannot matter if you wish to remove individual choice and replace it with mandate. Use our currency, fight our wars, buy this product, don’t do this and that. How can lives matter when they want to undermine the thing that gives life it’s value in the first place? More than simple contradiction, it’s lunacy.

        1. I think the calls for military conscription from the left, at least the one’s I’ve seen, are misunderstood. They’re not so much pushing a draft as they are hoping the draft will be a poison pill preventing future wars.

          Now ‘national service’ is nearly as bad and is indeed invoked by some leftists.

          1. Indeed, that is what they say. Regardless, it’s kidnapping. Same rationale as the human shield technique.

            1. And I suppose the progs will be first to surprised when the government sends draftees to fight and be killed, because it wasn’t *supposed* to happen that way.

          2. They’re not so much pushing a draft as they are hoping the draft will be a poison pill preventing future wars.

            Bullshit!

          3. They’re not so much pushing a draft as they are hoping the draft will be a poison pill preventing future wars.

            That’s wishful thinking and rationalization.

            Conscription is wrong, and we should hold whoever pushes for it responsible.

      2. ‘Justice for All’ is meant to say ‘Whites Get Justice, But We Need Justice For All”

        So, Bo, you’re saying the marchers believe “whites get justice” already. do they? I don’t think so. Justice is harsh for sinners. I’d say many killers have *escaped* justice thus far. I’m a big fan of public justice for child killers.

    2. My liberal friends on Facebook are ranting about the blacks being killed, and I’m behind them on most, except for Michael Brown, but I posted an article about police gunning down an innocent white man and crickets.

  6. Fuck American politics.

    Fuck the establishment.

    Fuck your cable TV station and all its talking heads.

    Fuck the NSA.

    Fuck the FBI.

    Fuck the police.

    Praise a country based on citizens securing liberty and life for themselves and their families…

    1. Don’t you hate pants?

      1. Well, Bo, I do garden nekid… Want to join me watering the spring cucumbers?

  7. You know most of us would’ve been tossed in a Siberian prison camp in the 20’s. Where we would’ve died more than likely.

    I’m actuall working super hard to type whilst fucked up…

    But Ayn said a shit load of her wildly independent student friends in college were hauled off to die in Siberian camps right in front of her.

    Many names come up here in the reason universe.

    Most of you might have been killed in the 1920-50 Siberian work camps… for your desire to live free…

    This IS the fight my brothers and sisters…. NEVER let ANY government own you… including AMERICA!

      1. Why I left.

        1. Hey, it’s not my fault the place I left to had a military coup!

          1. I’ve heard glory holes exist in other countries. Spin the globe and point.

            1. Welp, Federated States of Micronesia’s public bathrooms after dark it is!

              1. Micronesian glory holes. Relax, you’ll only feel a slight pinch.

                1. Micronesianagressions!

    1. How I noticed I have all the ingredients for thermite at the shop.

        1. “An engineering grade of bacon, called prosciutto.”

          Where’s the melon, phillistine?

  8. Government power is exercised through coercion, or force. That’s always going to fall more heavily on the less powerful. People need to realize that, and see it as the powerful premise it is suggesting we need as little government power as possible.

    1. I think the problem with “progressives” is that they truly believe mantras like “we are the government, and the government is us”, “government is the name of the things we choose to do together”, etc. So they believe that giving the government control over something is giving the people more control.

      It’s a very dangerous belief because it leads to the idea that the government should control absolutely everything, and the idea that this can only be utopia as it means that “the people” then control everything.

  9. “Whatever you feel about Sharpton, the man can rally a crowd.”

    You write that as if it were something nice to say about the slimy demagog.

    1. No, just something honest. He’s the kind of public speaker who can make you forget your feelings toward him as he’s speaking.

      1. True. The more he speaks I forget he’s a dirtbag opportunist and remember I have to get my colon cleansed.

      2. With all due respect, that’s not my response to him or some other ‘speakers’ I could name.
        I get VERY nervous hearing from those who incite crowds.

      3. That kind of charisma is not an endorsement if you think of other historical figures that possessed it.

    2. You Know Who Else could Rally Crowd and didn’t like the Cops who shot his supporters?

      1. Winston|12.13.14 @ 10:20PM|#
        “You Know Who Else could Rally Crowd and didn’t like the Cops who shot his supporters?”
        Yes, and “Who” is many; Lenin, Il Duce, Hitler, Mao, Huey Long…
        You can call it “democracy”; you can also call it “mobs”.

  10. Is evolution a vector into the future or a drunken quest for stars?

    1. How a trip in infinite velocity in the stars causing people to turn into giant horny salamnders?

  11. OT: I’m still defending my anti-torture letter. I appealed to the 1949 Geneva Convention which states:

    In regard to POWs, the Geneva Convention states: “No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind.”

    That rules out water-boarding and sleep deprivation. If they aren’t POWs, they are criminals and should be subject to the same constitutional protections.

    linky

    1. oopsy. Dept of Redundancy Dept.

    2. I’m prolly in agreement with you, but this is gonna go nowhere:

      “nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever”

      Being rounded up and tossed in a POW cage is coercion, and it’s hard to imagine a soldier being captured and relieved of his weapon(s) absent coercion.
      All of those activities are required to ‘secure information’, so using that clause is gonna leave you open to claims of hypocrisy or worse.

    3. Agreed. They are either POWs or criminals. Those are the only two options available. Anything else would require an act of Congress, defining another status.

      The two prior administrations will argue they are not POWs so we don’t need to follow the GCs and not citizens so we don’t need to try them.

      Both arguments are complete bullshit. WE signed the GCs so WE are bound by it. We grant foreign nationals, who commit crimes, trials.

      “Perpetual detainee” is moar FYTW.

      1. but the GC itself defines which captives qualify as POWs, and it appears the current bunch of non-state terrorists do not. Then you have to argue whether that qualifies then for civilian court, or military court, or whatever.

  12. WHY do progressives get ahead of us, bitches!

    Why do Fox neocons get ahead of us, bitches!

    We are not cold as ice.

    We ARE loving. We appreciate ethics. We WANT justice. We seek efficient government. We refuse to be owned by unions. We seek a pure state where humans live, breed, make money, and die in peace.

    Why are we the enemy?

    1. You answered your own question:

      “We seek a pure state where humans live, breed, make money, and die in peace.”

  13. Does anyone here head-bang?

    Bitches, i WILL head-bang the FUCK out of allya.

    1. Oh shit, Agile Cyborg is back to ruin another thread. 🙁

      1. Ted, DO NOT make me experss deep sensations of love toward your hurricane.

      2. I saved your moniker to see how you shake out over the coming weeks….

        Ted S.

        It’s on my desktop… hopefully you are amazing, bright, and full of cool things…

        Ted S.

        I’ll watchya when all these drugs and booze wear off…

    2. GET SOME FUCKING NUTS!!!

  14. Does Sharpton head bang? Have a drink on me black lord.

  15. Ok, I no one does more rap over 30years than me… Well, a few black dudes will but few white people listen to as many decades of Black rap as do I…

    Sharpton…

    I earned it.

    Have drink on me and then headbang to FUCKING WHITEY headband music you special civil rights FUCK….

    1. STOP drinkin vodka you fool!

      1. You say this but WHY THE FUCK do buy all thic expensive shit AND THEN NOT expect it to NOT go INTO me? Fucking asshole..

  16. Sharpton. Head bang me. For civil rights.

  17. Al sharpton is NOT a fucking hurricane

    and reason is full of superstars….

    Bitches need to roll… al sharpton is NOT going to be a tornado on anyones cornfield….

    Al… contact me…. Let’s do Al Rosa on Columbus wher that headbanger was killed and let rock out in poor mans’ dust… you fuckin hypkrit.

  18. Reason needs a special persons section…

    Dimebag Darrell was shot to death in Columbus on December 8, 2004.

    I love you dead bro.

  19. I question the argument that Michael Brown was a ‘victim’ of police violence. Being a victim implies that you didn’t bring your death upon yourself.

    Tamir Rice was a twelve-year old killed by a cop who shouldn’t have even been on the force given his history of gross incompetence, mental incapacity, and his constantly terrible performance reviews. He was shot by this idiot when he rolled up within 10 feet of Rice and shot him two seconds later, before Rice even had a chance to drop the toy that had been mistaken as a gun.

    Eric Garner was stopped during an NYC stop and frisk action and was strangled to death because the NYPD thinks a chokehold is a reasonable way to subdue someone you suspect of selling loosies.

    Brown was shot to death after committing a strong arm robbery of a local convenience store, punching an officer in the face, and then charging at him.

    It annoys me that these three people are being treated equally by these protests when one of them was an unrepentant violent criminal and the other two were total innocents killed by the incompetence of state police officers.

    1. Irish butter, I don’t concur with your assessment of brown.. but Irish butter is delicious and your butter is mostly correct so rock on sweet Irish…

      1. Thank you. You’re a God among men, Agile Cyborg. A God with some stupendous connections to drug dealers.

    2. “It annoys me that these three people are being treated equally by these protests when one of them was an unrepentant violent criminal and the other two were total innocents killed by the incompetence of state police officers.”

      This sort of demagoguery is the reason Sharpton et al annoy me.
      If you’re going to make a case to which reasonable people respond, don’t muddy the damn issue with false causes and non-victims.
      I remember a Bagge cartoon where he wanted to join an anti-war (anti-Bush) protest, but it required him protesting GMO crops, Walmart profits, AGW, etc.
      He bailed and I would, too.

      1. Don’t you know man, we go to war to force Monsanto GMO crops on the rest of the world, protect Wal-Mart profits and obtain Lebensraum for when the oceans flood our shores! Man!

        /occutard

        1. Man! Uh, what were you saying? Flood, uh, yeah…
          Thing is, I support legal dope. I just don’t necessarily support what people say when they’re doped.

          1. Not aimed at you, given your qualification.

    3. Also, to expand on that, why is this not a ‘Tamir Rice, Eric Garner, Kelly Thomas, Jose Guerena rally?

      Oh! I know, pick me! Because one of those people is white and one of them is Hispanic and all of these activists out there flatly don’t give a shit about non-black people who get murdered by police. Both Thomas and Guerena were worse victims of police violence than Michael Brown, yet most of these activists do not even know their names.

      Let’s call this what it is: An example of racist demagoguery in which racist African Americans are using people’s deaths in order to advance their political positions. They’re not trying to reform the police, they’re using the corpses of innocent people for their own self-aggrandizement while ignoring the dead who don’t suit their narrative.

      (Incidentally, I don’t think anyone other than libertarians/classical liberals really cares when people outside their tribe are killed by cops. There was a GOP chairman who questioned the SWAT tactics that killed Jose Guerana and he was removed from his post for daring to question our noble boys in blue after they shot a marine to death in his own house. This is why these things keep happening. Because the American people are scum who flat out do not care about the deaths of people different from themselves. That goes for black and white Americans, as well as presumably every other color.)

      1. Because the American people are scum who flat out do not care about the deaths of people different from themselves.

        This is blatantly obvious in American foreign policy as well.

      2. I wouldn’t say “scum,” just that when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And when you have a comprehensive theory of racial grievance, you fit events to suit the theory.

        And the theory says that if a cop (say) comes across a white guy who is waving a gun around and yelling about Lizard People, the cop will expose himself to possible death and in a friendly manner escort the white guy to a private sanitarium, with the bill covered by The Man.

        But when Michael Brown was skipping along the road on the way to Grandma’s house with a basket of cookies, the cops set him up, killed him for amusement, and forged a video to make him look like a robber.

        1. So when the supporters of Kelly Thomas, say, call for justice, instead of seeing an opportunity for cross-racial cooperation, the Sharptons see a challenge to the narrative, and some white people daring to share the limelight with the *true* victims.

      3. Because the American people are scum who flat out do not care about the deaths of people different from themselves.

        No, they don’t. Neither do they care about people like themselves. Nor is that unique to Americans. That’s because most people have the good sense only to care about people they actually know, instead of caring about people who accidentally have the same skin color or nationality.

    4. “It annoys me that these three people are being treated equally”

      How dare you suggest that facts are more important than race?

  20. YES! Cyborg’s tripping again. The next hour should be hilarious.

    1. Irish, whisper softly my celtic bard…

    2. seriously, what is happening? does this happen often?

      1. seriously, what is happening?

        About 5mg of 5-MeO-DMT.

        1. I thought he preferred 4-PO-DMT.

      2. On Friday nights and weekends Agile Cyborg tends to either go on a massive drug bender or gets possessed by inter-dimensional beings that wish to pass on wisdom that our simple animal brains can’t fully understand. I’m not quite sure which yet.

      3. His words are God’s secret formula.

        1. lovely. glad I’m around to see it for once

          1. I think you are going to regret it. It’s like doing that last shot before you leave the bar, or eating McDonald’s before you go to sleep, or enjoying Taylor Swift’s music. You wake up the next day feeling confused, with a headache and a bad case of guilt.

          2. Elizabeth Nolan Brown|12.13.14 @ 10:08PM|#
            “lovely. glad I’m around to see it for once”

            Once is amusing.

          1. “My hypothesis: Within the stock market, there is a pattern as well… Right in front of me… hiding behind the numbers. Always has been.”

            A lot of people have lost a lot of money charting the market.

            1. Have you ever seen the movie?

              1. No. No, I haven’t. Does it address my comment?

                1. Not to spoil it too much, but a Wall Street firm attempting to use the math genius’s algorithm to predict the market and failing is a plot point.

      4. The Cyborg is the night, and the night reveals.

        1. Cyborg is working on his night moves, trying to lose those awkward teenage blues.

      5. Yes.

        Its a thing.

        When considering the alternatives?

        (e.g. Mary, Michael Hin, The UberRacist We Call ‘Merican, Dunphy the Hero Policeman, LoneWacko and/or anyone who can’t stop worrying about Securing The Borderz!!, or the various liberaltrolls like craiginmass/american socialist…)

        … this is better.

        1. Opinion poll: Are A Cyborg’s trips more entertaining than Hercule Triathlon Savinien’s?

          I think Herc had a more consistent cosmology, but Agile has more depth and a poetic quality that gives him the edge.

          1. Herc’s work was more copy-pasting of previously-developed and repetative screeds

            The Borg seems to improvise and interact with the material around him.

            Consequently has has a more free-jazz feel compared to Herc’s bureaucratic lectures on transdimensional orthodoxy.

            Advantage = Cyborg

            1. But, GILMORE, what about his TIE?!

              1. Your eyesight must be a lot better than mine

  21. I see the Cyborg scored some Plutonium Nyborg.

    1. Yet he has never properly smelled the color blue.

    2. Plutonium Nyborg

      Is that what’s used in a Jesuit Nukkake Bomb?

      1. OH GOD IT’S SO STICKY UP HERE.

      2. “The nuclear bomb interfered with my brain to brain communications with Brent Spiner, and Jesuits were able to give me false information.”

        Ah.

        Quick clarification = Subgenii, or properly insane?

          1. Yeah.

            Properly crazy stops being fun after a minute or two.

            1. Yeah, but *during* those initial minutes it’s hilarious!

              Not for the woman or her family, of course…drat, now it’s stopped being funny.

  22. As much as I hate Sharpton and Jesse Jackson I hate Jerry Falwell and George W Bush worse.

    What shitty choices!

    1. BUT, your digital life is blessed with brilliant travelers on this site… packs of the most amazing an erudite lightning sticks known to man!

      Fuck elites… look at the swarming brainiacs here who loft mighty swords in the face of the universe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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        1. Geeked is a slur. The Cyborg is everything you can’t know.

      1. Dude… WE. HAVE. TO. PARTY. SOON.

  23. The Squaw has become a complete pain in the ass to Obama. She is whipping up the bank haters against him.

    Fuck the Squaw.

    1. Fuck off, turd.

      1. Eat shit you Team Red cocksucker. Rick Santorum is announcing soon by the way.

        1. Fuck off, turd.

          1. Santorum gives you a semi turgid boner I am sure.

            1. Fuck off, turd.

              1. One syllable words are your skill limit I see. You can grow out of that!

                1. One syllable is more than you deserve; fuck off, turd.

    2. I have to admire such eloquence.

  24. Sharpton took the stage, calling for a spate of uninspiring reforms that mostly seemed to revolve around shifting more power from states to the federal government;

    Libertarian Moment!

        1. Ok, but have you smelled it?

          1. Do you take me for a synesthesiac?

            1. No. But ultramarine blue will rock your nostrils.

  25. Lenin vowed to abolish the Police, the army and the bureaucracy in April 1917. Really worked out well.

  26. Hardcore lefty advocates that blacks should open carry.

    Now given the horror show of damage that other lefty ideas have purposely caused blacks over the years maybe this guy is secretly thinking it will get a lot of blacks killed or arrested. And hence be easy to politicize their deaths.

    1. Hey I’m totally down with right answer, wrong reason.

  27. OT:

    I have heard many people say morals can only come from religion. No, all you need is a little reason and empathy.

    1. I do not want to be harmed by other people.
    2. Other people are similar to me.
    3. People tend to reciprocate behavior.
    4. If I am nice to other people, they will probably return the favor.
    5. Therefore, if I want to avoid harm, I should follow the Golden Rule.
    6. I should also support efforts to punish bad behavior and reward good behavior to provide the right incentives.

    And there you go- no religion necessary, nothing but appeals to my own self-interest. Sure, some people lack either reason or empathy. But that is a problem whether you get morals from religion or not. A person who does not care about rewards or punishments in this life where they are immediate is unlikely to care about them in the afterlife.

    Even when people do not fear punishment, they still try to escape it.

    1. Derpetologist|12.13.14 @ 10:41PM|#
      “OT:
      I have heard many people say morals can only come from religion.”

      If you consider the most likely theory that religions came from people, you find, therefore, that the ethical and moral regimes of the religions came from people.

    2. Correction on that last part: even when people do not care about laws, they still try to avoid punishment.

      Sorry for the threadjack. I like these kinds of questions.

    3. That still begs the question of where reason and empathy come from. Of course the non-religious have answers to that, but they need to bring those answers forward.

      And there is also the question of behavior which goes beyond self-interest, the self-sacrificing behavior of people who act at great cost to protect others – relatives, friends, sometimes even total strangers.

      The nonreligious can give an account of that, too, but they need to bring it forward.

      1. And there’s my tradition that says we all have a God-given awareness of right and wrong, including atheists who simply don’t know it comes from God.

        Like you can still hear stuff without knowing how your eardrums work.

        1. Notorious G.K.C.|12.13.14 @ 11:32PM|#
          “And there’s my tradition that says we all have a God-given awareness of right and wrong, including atheists who simply don’t know it comes from God.”

          That’s nice; got any evidence your ‘god’ exists?
          I’m waiting.

          1. Where do you get *your* reason and empathy from?

            Go there and replenish your supply!

            1. It pops up randomly. You’ll be walking down a hallway and there will be a turkey leg and a potion and maybe a first aid kit sitting on the floor in a corner.

              1. Hmmm…are you attempting to compete with Agile?

                1. I wouldn’t recommend it, by the way. His constitution must be unusually strong to survive what he’s putting into his body.

                2. I am not a False Agile.

            2. Notorious G.K.C.|12.13.14 @ 11:49PM|#
              “Where do you get *your* reason and empathy from?
              Go there and replenish your supply!”
              WIH does that mean?

            3. Notorious G.K.C.|12.13.14 @ 11:49PM|#
              “Where do you get *your* reason and empathy from?”

              Eddie, answer the question:
              “got any evidence your ‘god’ exists?”
              Is that clear enough?
              I’m real tired of sophistry from ignorant bleevers; answer the fucking question.

            4. Notorious G.K.C.|12.13.14 @ 11:49PM|#
              “Where do you get *your* reason and empathy from?
              Go there and replenish your supply!”

              Eddie, still waiting for you to provide ONE (1) piece of evidence for your sky daddy.
              Just one, Eddie, One, that’s all. One c’mon, Eddie let’s see it. ONE.
              Eddie, are you there? Did you decide that answering the question is too hard for ignorant bleevers, Eddie? Where are you, Eddie?
              Hey Eddie! Did you get lost?
              Fucking bleevers never do answer questions…

              1. It would be one thing if you said, “I’m just not convinced about that whole God thing.”

                But you double down and say, “Isaac Newton, C.S. Lewis, Jacques Maritain, Maimonides, Georges Lemaitre, Francis Collins…what a bunch of morons! Wisdom began with me, and I know more than all those retards!”

        2. Kin selection is one explanation for altruism.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection

          “And there’s my tradition that says we all have a God-given awareness of right and wrong, including atheists who simply don’t know it comes from God.”

          There have been an often lot of evil people. If they had an awareness of right and wrong, they did not act on it. I guess that’s where the sinful nature part comes in.

          Islam says that everybody deep down knows the Quran is true. They have an extensive list of why people disbelieve.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K….._disbelief

          1. Derpetologist|12.14.14 @ 12:01AM|#
            “Kin selection is one explanation for altruism.”
            There are several evolutionary explanations favoring altruism, none of which require a sky daddy.
            There is no evidence of a sky daddy, nor any ‘explanation’ of why a sky daddy would be required.
            Right, Eddie?

      2. Notorious G.K.C.|12.13.14 @ 11:30PM|#
        “That still begs the question of where reason and empathy come from. Of course the non-religious have answers to that, but they need to bring those answers forward.”

        Uh, no. Those who presume the sky daddy have to ‘bring forward’ causes that reason and empathy cannot arise among humans.
        I’m waiting.

        1. Well, I’m glad you invited me so kindly to discuss a different issue, but derpetologist was discussing the relation between morality and religion.

          1. Notorious G.K.C.|12.13.14 @ 11:48PM|#
            “Well, I’m glad you invited me so kindly to discuss a different issue, but derpetologist was discussing the relation between morality and religion.”
            That is pathetic.
            Try again.

          2. Notorious G.K.C.|12.13.14 @ 11:48PM|#
            “Well, I’m glad you invited me so kindly to discuss a different issue, but derpetologist was discussing the relation between morality and religion.”

            Eddie, let’s make it clear:
            You claim that humans require some sky daddy to be moral agents.
            Now prove it.
            Is that clear enough?

            1. You can form a system of morality based on observation of reality. Or you can base it on the culmination of 1000s of years of text and oral tradition claiming at sometime in ancient history God said, “Do this”. Tough choice.

          3. It’s not a stretch of reason to realize that treating others how you wish to be treated is beneficial to all and that bringing harm to others is not beneficial to anyone.

            No magic required.

            1. It *IS* a stretch to bleeve some mythical monster is required to do so, and those who claim it is need to prove it.
              Eddie, let’s see the proof.

              1. I don’t believe in mythical monsters, by definition. 🙂

                Seriously, what’s with the foaming at the mouth, the taunts and insults? Do you think it’s constructive? Do you think it will promote a serious debate?

                I mean, what’s your end game here? “I insulted him, I used every form abuse I could think of, but Eddie *still* refused to engage with me! Since it obviously isn’t my attitude which was the problem, I’m forced to conclude that the reason he won’t talk to me is because I’ve refuted him!”

  28. Cyborg is trapped within the walls of the reason html code and he is trying to give us humans! Write this down, damnit!

    1. Save us, not give us. I should not try to be clever at night (or any other time).

      I need some ‘shrooms and ‘shine.

      1. Crustu J I read your moniker and just fly right into all sort o vicarious dreams…

        I see you… you can’t see me… but life is about dreams.

        1. O God! can I not save
          One from the pitiless wave?
          Is all that we see or seem
          But a dream within a dream?

          1. Guiters sweet rhythms…. into the brooks of time the jugglah rolls into massiv intergalactik fountains….

  29. Just cleaned some Gah-rage with the fuckin cutest Shiba on le’ planet… back to the brilliant commons….

    Listenin’ to RiffRaff and DollabillGates… my japanese doge hates RiffRaff bros and sistas…

    Fuckin love freedom my killahs.

    1. James Joyce has nothing on you.

      1. Dear, you are a human gallon of Quantum lights.

        Breaking massive clouds of space.

        My shiba doge, winston, got pissd at my disco lights a few minuts ago…

        I gavehim love and cheese… he sleeps now.

      2. James Joyce ghosted his work to a thousand monkeys. But not, mind you, to a thousand cats.

        1. S Q ========= window of 5 nekkid hot womens

    2. I’m going to guess your favorite riff raff tune is the one with the Dolphin noises

      true story = i know diplo from way back

      1. Gilmore ===== permanent poetrah

    3. Shiba is the perfect dog for my vision of you – those dogs just do not give a fuck about their “owner”. As do you. /doffs top hat

      1. Moniker of the vacation… wat a sweet man…

        1. Shine on, you crazy diamond.

  30. So when you move and the skeleton jerky herky gets rythmic in the place of the kings and queens calld reason.com…. at some point the human exeperience seeks astral projection…. you will dance on the moon to beats.

    But are there moon bears? Fuckin galactic grisslies? nasty bitches the will claw your astral ass to death?

    1. Somebody has to stay up with him. Glad it’s 1:45pm here. There you go, Cyborg, one foot on the floor. Keeps the bed still. Unless you have another vortex to enter?

      1. Sleep sweetly bullet vibrator

  31. We live in a ball in the fuckin middle of billions o miles o nwhere.

    How do shitty humans with Kontrol get away with micro control?

    1. Know the stars, know the world? Eight years old, Sagan made me a communist. Thirty years later Hayek set me free. Lessons leaned: how to maintain a bourgeois order so the stars stay free.

      1. Quincypoems…

  32. I’m beginning to think that AC is a Chaos Boy from the Over the Edge RPG.

    1. Warren is purple person with humongus muscles… Sweet as the Detorit Bulls… and he loves fucking pussy.

  33. I lov riffraff… I love Enb also… I also love reason knightos… all 28 of them…

    the secret to yoself…
    clubs can be a jikety jack expo…

    I tend to spend way to much fuckin money on booze fuck gucci mane….

      1. SQ I smell pussay.

  34. I did somethin kinda fuked up this summer…. FUCKIN friend o a friend hung out wid de’ country boyos… THIS friend buys hardcore expensiv tequilio….

    WEll,,, he shows up after a long day o partyin… and gives me his bottle of MEX Teq… NOT a fuckin wonderful groove…

    I CANNOT be clothed drinkin teguila…. I still havn’t found my cloths… I did swim in a pool with my alien smoochin aqua… and this boy walked a county road totally fuckin nekkid…

    bros and sistas showd you screechin on a county road…. I GOT yelled at…. YOU CANT FUCKIN WALK COUNTY NAKID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    well some shooters saved my fuckin ass from le gov

    1. Someone’s going to choke on his own vomit.

  35. Reason is portal to next centurio…

  36. She read the cover blurb: Cops, Brutality & Race. “And today,” said Diallo, “16 years later we are standing still and debating the same thing.” If a palpable awkward silence can descend on a crowd of thousands, it did.

    The reason we’re debating the same thing 16 years hence is because making this about race is a distraction. It’s eye-candy for the mainstream media. It’s a shiny bauble that the Washington Post, New York Times and NPR journalist can understand, wrap their minds around. It’s easily digestible entertainment for the socio-political set.

    If we try to discuss what the real problem is: ever expansive government power with no accountability, byzantine laws and regulations which give police endless cover to make any kind of stop under the most vague of circumstances, that’s tough to get your mind around.

    The cop(s) are racist! Easy.

    Federal, state, county and municipal governments have created a miasma of regulation controlled by unelected but powerful special interests, namely public sector unions which has evolved into an us-against-them police state… that’s a tough nut to crack and fixing it puts a lot of people out of work.

    1. Look, if it isn’t racism then the proggies would have to look their God in the face and realize that it is a false idol and they are nothing but dimwitted cargo cultists.

      Do you really think that is EVER going to happen?

  37. It seems that no one has realized that we can figure out how fast Brown was moving during the shooting from the physical evidence. Brown moved towards Wilson 25′. The audio of the shots is 6.5 seconds long with a 3 second pause apparently when Brown paused. That means that Brown moved 25′ in 3.5 seconds. That means that Brown was moving at 4.8 mph, hardly a charge, more like a brisk walk. Try it yourself. So was Brown charging “full speed”, head down as Wilson and some witnesses allege or was he stumbling forward with 4 gunshot wounds? This goes to the reasonableness of Wilson’s fear and the accuracy of his testimony. It certainly seems like enough to indict.

    1. You are making a couple of weak assumptions. The pause in the gunfire may or may not be the same as the pause in Brown’s movement. And you are calculating his average speed. With a stop and start he must have both decelerated and accelerated, so his peak sped was likely higher.

      Physics, how does it work?

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  42. Who follows Sharpton?

    1. Judging by that gathering looks like a lot.

      Humans love demagogues; especially when they pimp a collective, tribal nationalist bull shit agenda leaving them vulnerable to deceit.

      It’s how humans roll.

  43. Justice? All black lives matter? I’ll bet all of the people at this rally are Democrats and as Democrats, vote for Democrats. If they vote for Democrats, they vote for the injustice of the Progressive ideology which is to separate people according to their skin color, their sex, their wealth and their age and then pit everyone against those unlike them. They vote for the injustice of the Progressive ideology which has treated blacks as incapable of thinking for themselves, incapable of surviving without government interventions and money, and made them slaves to idea that all white people are racists and the flames of racism must never be burned out. And if they really thought all black lives matter they wouldn’t be a population where over 70% of their children are illegitimate and single parenthood is a sure road to poverty.

    1. The best institution is the family.

      I read a while ago (I forget where) about in the absence of government support, black relied on a strong family structure to survive and succeed only to see it crumble by the 1960s to the point of what you just described.

      Oh look here. Right about the time they traded the family for government intervention.

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  46. How could race relations improve, I wonder, between blacks and whites, especially those terrible white police officers who do nothing but target black young males all day long?

    Let’s see, wait a minute, there is a disproportionate number of young, black males who are criminals than young white male criminals. Oh that’s right, you can’t use facts with race. Just like you put your hands up in protest when the facts were Brown’s hands were actually down and he was charging. Can’t use that little fact because he’s
    black–I forgot. Can’t use the cuts Trayvon inflicted either on Zimmerman as he was attacking him. It’s only ok to say the black male was shot due to racism. My mistake.

    Just like we shouldn’t say that the reason there is a disproportionate amount of blacks are in poverty is because of a disproportionate amount of illegitimacy rates with children. Right –we shouldn’t say that fact out loud if it means pointing to a color. Only emotion matters with a color not facts.

    If the black community would like to see the numbers level out try doing what Dr. Cosby told you a long time ago–fix your community.

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