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Why Shouldn't Burger King Move to Canada to Pay Lower Taxes?


Speaking as someone who has eaten there, Burger King is one of the saddest places on earth. Abandon digestion and pimple-free skin, all ye who enter there. To me, Burger King isn't just a lousy place to eat but a sort of existential black site that drains the life out of you (well, me) on every level: All the products are just lousier versions than what's offered at better fast-food joints. The ads, even those old fake-hip ones with the weird Burger King, are awful to the nth degree (anyone else remember the "Where's Herb?" campaign?).

Yet I find the attacks on Burger King's purchase of Tim Horton's "Cafe & Bake Shop" even more saddening. By picking up the Canadian-owned maker of the terribly-named "Timbits" (donut holes named after the hockey player and drunk-driving cautionary tale who co-founded the chain), Burger King can escape U.S. corporate taxes that are much higher than those in most other countries. This is the so-called tax inversion process, by which a U.S. company picks up a foreign one and then moves its corporate headquarters there to take advantage of lower taxes. "Voila, higher profits!" clucks The Daily Beast's Daniel Gross. The Department of Treasury estimates that over the next decade such inversions could mean a loss of $20 billion in corporate taxes. To put even that self-evidently puny amount in even clearer context, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) figures the corporate income taxes will raise $4.5 trillion over the same period. "In other words," notes Kyle Pomereau of the Tax Foundation, "corporate inversions are predicted to cost 0.5 percent of the corporate tax base over ten years."

The White House and a number of Democrats are trying to stymie tax inversions through legislation and the bully pulpit. Just earlier this month, President Obama floated the idea of an administrative action that could spike such deals, and he's blasted tax inversions as "unpatriotic."

But this is all b.s. until the U.S. gets its corporate tax rate into line with what other countries are charging. According to KPMG, which has a comprehensive chart of corporate tax rates (including average state and regional rates), the U.S. total comes to 40 percent. Canada's comes to just 26.5 percent:

The corporate income tax rate is 26.5%. It comprises a 15.0% federal tax component and an 11.5% provincial tax component. Depending on the province, the combined general corporate income tax rate ranges from 25% to 31%. Lower corporate income tax rates are available to Canadian-controlled private corporations (CCPCs) on their first CAD$500,000 (CAN$350,000 to CAD$425,000 for certain provinces) of taxable active business income. A 2014 representative tax rate for a CCPC on its first CAD$500,000 of active business income is 15.5% (an 11% federal tax component and a 4.5% provincial tax component). Depending on the province, the 2014 combined active business income tax rate ranges from 11% to 19%.

Read more, including a breakdown of the U.S. figure, here. There's no shame or infamy in moving to where conditions are better, whether for your family, your job, or your business. Such freedom of mobility is, in fact, typically celebrated as one of the things that makes America exceptional. And it goes without saying that since tax inversions are perfectly legal, there's not even a hint of impropriety here.

As Gross points out in The Daily Beast, Burger King won't save its corporate skin simply by shuffling off to Canada. It's a poorly run company and it's really kind of a miracle it's lasted as long as it has (did I mention how sad-inducing BK is?). But for god's sake, are Democrats and other economic nativists really so dumb as to think they can gain ground in a global economy by making it harder for all businesses to do business in America (whether through higher taxes or ownership rules or other regulations)? That way madness lies—and continued economic lassitude.

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  1. If you don’t want major companies to move their operations out of the country, then lower corporate taxes. If you don’t lower taxes, then don’t complain when companies do what is in their best interest.

    1. Not just the rates – the crazy claim that the U.S. Treasury is owed taxes on profits made abroad.

      This move means that BK will pay Canadian rates on profits in Canada and U.S. rates on American profit.

      1. Don’t forget about the rest of the world… 45% of BKs restaurants are outside the US and Canada. Those profits would be taxed lower as well.

        1. Not taxed lower, so much as not taxed double.

          1. Why do you hate poor homeless prostitute crack babies? If you support anything less than whatever I say, then you sir, are a curmudgeon.

      2. Exactly. In the age of globalization, to say “American” companies owe taxes in America, no matter where they make that money, is just crazy. Especially when the rest of the world operates on the standard that you pay taxes where you earn it. It says any American company must pay double taxes on any profits it makes overseas.

        1. They can deduct the foreign taxes, so they pay the foreign taxes plus American taxes so that the foreign plus American taxes equals the full American taxes.

          As opposed to, say, an Irish company that only pays the local taxes and has more profit to reinvest in growth and pushing US companies out of business.

          1. Actually, that’s not true. That only applies when both have the same tax rules. The U.S. believes that all foreign earnings are taxable U.S. (upon repatriation). They don’t allow relief for local taxes they don’t consider applicable.

    2. Get out of here with your logic. Besides major companies are supposed to be in the business of self-abasement now, not turning a profit.

      1. Good line from a bad movie: “I confess, I am in business… to make money!”

    3. They aren’t moving jack squat. They’ll buy Horton’s, enter a few strokes in their accounting program to siphon profits off to Canada for Trademark and Logo use, and continue with business as usual. They’ll still have access to the same market, police, fire, and courts… they just won’t pay for their share of it.

      1. Yeah. Their employees and customers will pay for it though. So that works out in the end, after all.

        Leave, troll.

      2. Right, because police, fire protection and courts are the only things our taxes pay for. Well that and cowboy poetry contests.

      3. Burger king will still pay american corporate taxes on american profits you gibbering f*-+ing idiot.

        1. And employment taxes for their US employees.

    4. Why the fuck do they get to decide how much tax they pay?

      1. Because, unlike us “little people”, they’re wealthy enough to hire an army of tax lawyers to go line-by-line through the tax code and find exemptions and subsidies and other ways to make more money.

        1. and if they don’t find an exemption or subsidy they like, they’ll just bribe a congresscrook to write one into the code for them..

          1. I’ve tried to explain to leftists, tax attorneys no less, that the wealthy, by virtue of being wealthy, will have access to accountants and lawyers who search for every loophole for any tax the leftists can propose.

            Still they call for making the tax code more and more complicated to go after the rich?

            1. Tax attorneys want a MORE complex tax code – I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.

  2. When CANADA is good alternative for doing business…well, that’s just SAD! On the bright side, the corporate office people will be protected from the ravages of global warming, if it ever happens.

  3. The WSJ has the effective corporate tax rate at 15% or so. Of course, this is all about piling up cash on the balance sheet more than inversions.

    Nothing wrong with that.

    Robert Reich wants to just do away with corporate taxes.


    I know, I can’t believe it either.

    1. I’d also get rid of corporate taxation, simply because corporations can afford to pay countless lawyers and accountants to find and exploit every tax shelter and loophole out there, and hire lobbyists to create even more shelters and loopholes.

      Without a corporate income tax, all of those people would have to get real jobs doing actual productive work.

      1. It isn’t sentient.

        1. But it is a turd.

    2. That’s funny, because pretty much every corporate tax projection is done using 35% for federal taxes. 15% is only for taxable income up to $50K, and then the rate moves around between 25% – 39% until the top bracket.

      After $18.33M, the top bracket, the rate is 35%. Which is why when discussing multinational corporations with high amounts of income, it is standard to say 35%.

    3. Corporate income taxes are retarded. So retarded that even moleman recognizes that. But his solution, to pass through taxes on shareholders on retained earnings is also retarded.

      The fundamental issue that corporate taxation truly tries to address is unreported earnings delivered as corporate perks. Encouraging earnings retention doesn’t address this at all.

      You could eliminate corporate taxes and still empower the IRS to spot check audits. Let GAAP standards dictate expenses vs. compensation/perks.

      1. But his solution, to pass through taxes on shareholders on retained earnings is also retarded.

        Shareholders? otherwise known as teachers, cops, firefighters, and other retirees.

        Why do the Democrats hate the elderly???

      2. A tax is a cost of doing business. The only people who really “pay” corporate taxes are the folks who buy what the corporation produces.

    4. All corporate earnings would be treated as personal income. But shareholders would not feel the pinch. As their ‘corporate’ earnings accumulated throughout the year, the company would withhold taxes owed based on the shareholder’s tax bracket?as did the shareholder’s employer on his or her salaried earnings.

      Don’t worry about having to pay taxes, uncle sugar will take care of it for you, and just give you your share after he takes the vig portion to which he is entitled. No need to worry your pretty little head about any grown-up things, you just go have fun with your allowance. Reich is statist scum all the way down. All 4 feet of him.

    5. Re: Peter Caca,

      The WSJ has the effective corporate tax rate at 15% or so.

      That’s the lowest, not the effective or average. The effective depends on how you report corporate income. Some companies shave been able to get away with a low corporate income tax but that does not mean the effective rate over all.

      Robert Reich wants to just do away with corporate taxes.

      Yeah, and replace it with an even WORSE tax: a personal tax on income to shareholders even if the corporation decides to keep the earnings for reinvestment or as working capital. In other words, it translates to double-taxation because the corporation already pays taxes on income. Under Reich’s scheme (actually, Professor Lester Thurow’s of MIT) the company would have to figure the tax burden of each shareholder. That would drive ALL corporations out of the U.S. faster than the current corporate tax rate. Reich is a fool.

      1. Should read: “Some companies have been able to get away with paying a low corporate tax but that does not mean the effective rate over all.”

  4. All the products are just lousier versions than what’s offered at better fast-food joints.

    The Whopper was pretty good back in the day when McDonalds didn’t serve tomatoes on anything. The last time I ate at BK with any frequency was when they were still running the 99 cent Whopper promotion.

    1. I propose a merger between Wendy’s and McDonald’s.

      Wendy’s seems to have the best fast food burgers, while McDonald’s fries are the best.

      Oh, and I don’t give a fuck where they call home.

      1. I’d like Wendy’s better if they didn’t use cold bread.

        1. As in not toasted, or just out of a freezer? I like soft bread over toasted bread.

          Still, when I need to eat something quick McDonald’s is the place. I am cheap and raid the dollar menu.

          1. Cold as in not toasted. I prefer toasted or grilled bread for burgers.

          2. Burger King is cheaper than McDonald’s…

        2. In Calgary Wendy’s has terrible service. You’ll need to eat a meal before the waiting line for the meal!

          1. He’s here all week folks! Tip the veal and try your waitress!

      2. What I find so strange about McDonald’s fires is the short lifespan of deliciousness. After they cool off enough to eat, you have maybe five minutes before they become flavorless death sticks. And cold McFries taste like stale styrofoam.

        1. That is true. I quickly distance myself from anyone who claims that they love cold or reheated McDonald’s fries.

          1. I figured those people just went ahead and ate the bag and wrappers as well.

    2. The Whopper was better when they actually put it through the flame conveyor belt to cook instead of microwaving the patties.

      1. I am pretty sure they put some weird flame “flavor” on their burgers now – it just tastes like chemicals to me.

    3. As far as fast food burgers goes, among the top chains it is
      Burger King

      To branch out a bit, insert Hardee’s/Carl’s Jr. as a tie or right above Wendy’s. But they are sadly not a major chain where I am.

      1. Culvers here in the midwest puts the others to shame.

        1. You can spend $10 or more at a Culver’s.

          1. My wife and I routinely spend less at Culver’s than McDs. Of course, you can actually buy a real meal (chicken platter) that’s not offered by McDs and run up the tab if you want.

            1. Culver’s kid’s meals: grilled cheese, root beer, fries, ice cream. 6 bucks. Also they have the best cheese curds your money can buy. That’s coming from a Wisconsinite.

              1. The cheese curds are awesome. Of course, Culver’s started in Wisconsin.

      2. Carl’s Jr. and Jack in the Box are above the other three. Then Whataburger, then Wendy’s, Burger King and McDonald’s in that order.

        1. There is no way in fucking hell that carl’s jr or jack in teh box are above whataburger- which systematically destroys all competition regardless of regional limitations.

          1. Mmmmmm waterburger!

          2. Whataburger’s hamburgers are not always good and their fries are soggy and lifeless 90% of the time. They are only consistently great from 11 PM to 11 AM, when the breakfast taquitos are available. But even then, it takes half an hour to get your food.

            1. Whitecastle RULES!

              1. In & Out? They’re almost like a cult thing. But better than McDonald’s or Burger King.

  5. I don’t see how BK is much worse than other fast food places. Now Arby’s, that’s terrible.

    1. BK used to be my favorite place, but I haven’t eaten there for decades. Think I’ll give it another try soon — it can’t be that bad.

      I did, however, have a Big Mac a couple years ago, which used to be one of my favorite burgers, and it did NOT taste the same as it did back in the stone age (1970s).

      1. Back in the bronze age when I worked there (early 90s) the food was still good. They’d toast the buns and cook the meat to order. Then things changed. They introduced what they called Q-ing (as in Quality) ovens, which were just microwaves. They started toasting bread ahead and cooking the meat ahead, then at service they’d assemble the sandwiches and nuke them to warm them up. Barf.

        1. If the 90s are bronze age, then my first job at McDs was in the stone age (1973).

    2. BK used to be way better than McDonalds (like 20 years ago). Now, yeah, it’s pretty sad. And it shows in the people who work there.

  6. “By picking up the Canadian-owned maker of the terribly-named “Timbits”…, Burger King can escape U.S. corporate taxes that are much higher than those in most other countries.”

    Six years ago, we used to make fun of Canada for being so socialist.

    Now, they can make fun of us for the same reason.

    Look what Obama has done to our country.

    1. Well, in this case all he has done is not change corporate tax policy.

      1. Throw in ObamaCare.

    2. Canada’s still pretty socialist.

      For example, my marginal income tax rate here in Ontario is now 49.53%.

      And that applied to income above $220k.

      1. I appreciate that.

        The transformation is incomplete, but we’re getting there.

      2. Thats about what it is in NY and CA (in fact I think its over 50 in both places now). Though starts around 400k. And even states with lower taxes than NY and CA the typical is around 45%.

      3. That’s nothing, T.

        Thanks to ObamaCare, my marginal income tax rate spikes to 720,000%, due to loss of the ACA credit at 400% of poverty line income.

        It backs off that spike to around 42%, and then climbs again to eventually level off at about 52% (FIT+self-employment taxes).

  7. But without corporate taxes at their high levels what would happen to the children? How would be pay for anything?

    For shame! Wait… who cares. It is literally losing the shittiest national fast food chain there is- or the corporate tax revenue from it.

  8. I still like BK.

    1. I used to rock British Knights too, but come on. Do they still even make those?

      1. I never expected you were a Crip.

  9. I used to love the Western BBQ Burger, the franchise locations around here have gotten so filthy and the service so poor I gave up on them.

    1. I have given up on McD’s because they insist on putting cheese on hamburgers. And my lactose intolerant body ain’t down with that.

      1. My week in France would have killed you.

        By the way, never eat Icelandic yogurt, it is really just cheese.

        1. I’d have been walking around in a diaper with a slow foamy leak coming out of my ass.


            1. Like he needs help.

        2. Skyr is awesome you heathen.

      2. “I have given up on McD’s because they insist on putting cheese on hamburgers. And my lactose intolerant body ain’t down with that.”

        When I have a Micky’s, I get it without cheese.

        1. At some point I had a stack of like thirty sandwich coupons given to me by owners and managers after complaining about cheesed hamburgers. It was absurd. Finally I just stopped going there.

          1. So, they’d just put cheese on it even if you ordered a hamburger? You’d think they’d get a lot of complaints. Lactose intolerance is not a terribly rare condition.

            I have a friend who always used to order a hamburger with nothing, just meat and bun. They usually fucked up the no toppings request, but managed not to put cheese on it.

            1. I would order a double hamburger, substitute slivered onions (I hate the reconstituted things they normally put on burgers). They’d usually get the onions right, but about forty percent of the time they’d put cheese on the damn thing. I mean, I’d get this sandwich with a piece of paper taped to the wrapper that said “Double Hamburger Slivered Onions” and the fucking thing would have cheese on it. I just got sick of complaining.

              1. The burger flipping robots can’t come fast enough.

                I was at sonic the other day and ordered a coke zero with a vanilla add in. I literally got a cup of vanilla flavoring. There was no carbonation, no coke zero, just impossibly syrupy vanilla. A robot can’t have done worse than that.

            2. At one point I got on the website and wrote such a scathing complaint, including the symptoms of lactose intolerance, that the owner called me up on my cell phone. He tried to frame it as “Well they just screwed up you food” and I was like “Screwing up a sandwich here and there is one thing, but putting cheese on two out of every five burgers that I order? That’s not screwing up. That’s fucking illiteracy!” Then he’s like “I hope you’re not complaining around town about my store” and I said “Dude, it’s fucking McDonalds. No one cares.” That pretty much ended the conversation.

  10. Mercifully they closed our local BK franchises in recent years. Does this deal mean the remaining BK locations will be converted to half BK and half Tim Horton’s?

  11. Is a Whaler really any worse than a Filet-o-Fish?

  12. If I understand this correctly, these inversions are not so much about going to a place with a lower rate as much as avoiding the stupid and unique to the developed world characterictic of US corporate taxation that is taxing foreign earnings on top of whatever is taxed in the host country. Currently BK has to pay taxes in canada on earnigs there (and every other ocuntry they operate in), then pay US taxes on those same earnings earned in a foreign country that have nothing to do with the US market. By moving the HQ to Canada, they now only pay US corporate taxes on earnings within the US.

    It’s the stupidity of the US tax code that thinks it can tax foreign earnings.

    Now if someone were ever serious, they’ed get rid of the corporate tax entirely and just tax dividends and captal gains as ordinary income. Then no more fussing about tax loopholes and arguing over whats income of where the HQ is located. Just make everything similar to an S-Corp.

    1. Well,

      if we didn’t have a tax code that made it a no brainer for corporations to move out of the country, how could be complain about corporations moving out of the country?! Huh, mr smartguy? How, then, would we get re-elected?

    2. And the same things discourage companies from bringing capital back to the US from overseas subsidiaries. I keep trying to explain this to people who go on about “outsourcing” and the decline of manufacturing in the US.

  13. You know who else outlawed ‘unpatriotic’ actions.

    1. John Adams?

    2. Bearded Spock Universe John Phillips Sousa?

      1. Jeeze, do I have to tell you everything?

  14. Say what you want about BK’s commercials now, but I still occasionally find myself humming this song

    1. + 1 Hand Car Booty

  15. I was wondering last night about this. Do Mr. Obama’s arguments about corporate inversions differ substantively from the arguments offered by the GDR for the Berlin Wall? And no, I’m not saying that Mr. Obama is like Erich Honecker. I am saying that I’m not sure there is a difference in the principles he’s arguing versus those proffered by the East Germans.

  16. Would anyone go to a place called Burger Minister?

    1. I would.

      But Canada will have a king in a few years, so the name can probably stay.

  17. It’s a poorly run company and it’s really kind of a miracle it’s lasted as long as it has (did I mention how sad-inducing BK is?).

    It was a poorly run company. Since 3G Capital has taken a majority interest in 2010, it has been doing well.

    It’s not a miracle it has lasted this long. It produces delicious food, at good prices that millions of people around the world enjoy daily. That would actually be the definition of success.

    I’m sorry that BK induces sadness in you, Nick. Maybe you don’t like hamburgers? Maybe you are a fat kid who still has food issues? Or maybe you’re a smug douchebag?

    1. Yeah, BK’s burgers are vastly superior to McDonalds’s. And their fries have improved greatly over the years.

      1. The Satisfries are quite tasty? almost like sit-down quality.

    2. Definitely smug douchebag. But he’s our smug douchebag.

  18. And say what you want about Chik Fila (SOCONZ! & a little pricy as far as fast food goes) but they are always really clean, the staff are somewhat pleasant, and the food is good.

    1. Chic Fil A is awesome.

      1. Best spicy chicken sandwich of any chain. Followed by Carl’s Jr, Jack in the Box and McDonalds.

  19. Burger King should just claim that they are taking a moral stand against something our Government is doing (killing innocent civilians with Drones, spying on the whole world, etc.) and that’s why they want to pay as little tax as possible.
    BTW, I personally find the Whopper and Whopper Jr. far superior to anything McDonald’s serves.

  20. 5 Guys is the best burger place.

    1. +1 bag full of cajun fries

    2. Not really fast though.

      1. or cheap.

      2. It’s fast enough. I’ve never waited more than 5 minutes.

        1. It only seems slow because you are so damn anxious to get that delicious burger.

    3. No drive through, not fast food.

    4. I disagree. Five Guys isn’t really any better, slightly worse actually. I think they made their brand by providing a decent REALLY CHEAP burger with huge servings of fries. Then they got big, and they keps making the same half-decent burger, and charged twice as much for it.

    5. Just had Shake Shack – mmm…

  21. But this is all b.s. until the U.S. gets its corporate tax rate into line with what other countries are charging.

    It’s BS no matter what.

    are Democrats and other economic nativists really so dumb as to think they can gain ground in a global economy by making it harder for all businesses to do business in America

    You seem to be assuming that their goal is to make America’s economy stronger. I see little evidence of that.

    Also, BK burgers are better than McDonald’s, and their fries are almost as good (I haven’t eaten at BK for a few years, so maybe things went downhill since then, but this was the objectively true situation not that long ago).

    And fuck you, Nick, Timbits are awesome.

  22. Not to go All True Scotsman here, but what kind of self-respecting Libertarian gives his money to Burger King? We, OK a bunch of guys who lived a long time ago, fought a revolution so we wouldn’t have kings.

    1. Well, I didn’t vote for him.

        1. I’m opening a chain of pastry stores called Watery Tart.

          1. She works the corner of Treat and 17th most nights.

            1. You’re thinking of Moistened Bint, one of our competitors.

          2. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a bakery.

            1. That’s where you’re wrong.

    2. ^^^^^ This.

  23. All the products are just lousier versions than what’s offered at better fast-food joints.

    They have better fries then Wendy’s and McDonalds.

    1. And I’ve always found Wendy’s to be the most grim place with the weirdest employees.

    2. Wendy’s changed their fries recently. I don’t like the new ones.

  24. The fact that reason used a VERY different photo for the Facebook announce of this article betrays how deeply you hate us commenters, Nick.

  25. You mean BK wants to move it’s assets offshore before the US entirely turns into a big version of Venzuala?

    Now who would have seen that coming?

  26. I’d ruther go to Burger Queen.

  27. We can attract and retain all the businesses we could possibly want if we had a free(er) market economy and a better regulatory and tax environment. Just relatively better. Yet here we are, committing slow economic suicide in yet another manner.

    Do we really hate being wealthy and powerful so much that we’re going to slit our own wrists?

    1. I think Ayn Rand once said something to the effect of ” A mixed economy is a nation in the process of committing suicide”. We’ve been killing our economy for a long time, but we’re just now losing enough blood to notice.

    2. Yeah, pretty much.

    3. And yet… I was just traveling 50 blocks or so up 5th Avenue towards downtown Brooklyn, through various Chinese and Latino neighborhoods, and I was struck by the fact that it was wall-to-wall storefronts and every single one of them was open and appeared to be doing good business. The will to do commerce just can’t be stifled.

      1. Sure. And there were illegal markets in the Soviet Union. They could succeed so long as they flew beneath the radar.

  28. Taxing companies (especially at excessive rates) is the surest way to eliminate jobs). We should eliminate corporate taxes, but we also need to break up the big banks and other near-monopolies.

    Not a libertarian idea, probably, but a necessary function of government that has been neglected for too long. Yes, I realize that most monopolies are the result of cronyism and excessive regulation, but some would arise naturally.

    1. It’s not necessary. If the government would stop intervening to save banks from their silliness, several of the “big guys” would’ve already failed.

  29. For shame. Burger King has the best Breaded Chicken sandwiches, IMO.
    None of that fake patty bullshit.

    Of course, I havn’t eaten on in about 5 years.
    So they may have gone downhill.

    1. Burger King has the best Breaded Chicken sandwiches

      Yikes. Have you tried Wendy’s? Do so.

  30. They’re an American company that got obscenely wealthy in America via the use of American infrastructure like roads, telecom, police/fire protection, etc. Their being here implied their compliance with all laws, tax and otherwise. Inversions may technically be legal, but the violate the spirit of the law, to whit: pay your fair share.

    1. Define “fair share”.
      Define “obscenely wealthy”.

      1. Fair share: More than the Frog pays.
        Obscenely wealthy: More than the Frog has.

        1. I much prefer Toad of Toad Hall. (But don’t let him drive.)

        2. I hate that Frog!

    2. …”Inversions may technically be legal, but the violate the spirit of the law, to whit: pay your fair share.”

      Sarc, right?
      Or “Legal” is the new “Illegal”; stupidity.

    3. That Whopper? You didn’t grill that!

      1. It’s flame broiled, dammit!

    4. They’re an American company that got obscenely wealthy in America via the use of American infrastructure like roads, telecom, police/fire protection, etc.

      And they’re still paying taxes on profits made in America you dolt.

      pay your fair share.

      Could you give a number, or percentage for what qualifies as a “fair share”, also, how much of BK do you own. I assume since you claim a right to a portion of their lives, you must own at least part of them right. Fuck off slaver.

      Their being here implied their compliance with all laws, tax and otherwise.

      So if the law changes to something they don’t agree with, or they change their minds they’re free to leave like anybody else right?

    5. Well, let’s see….
      Roads – BK uses big trucks that pay immense amounts of fuel tax, which pays for the roads. Unlike your freaking Prius.
      Telecom – not paid for by government but by those who use it. BK has computers connected to the internet, so they pay for the telecom.
      Police/fire protection – paid for by property tax which BK pays a lot more than you do and sales tax which BK collects from customers and pays on anything it uses for its own operations.
      Additionally, they pay corporate tax on anything they make in the U.S. even after inversion.
      So, basically, you’re full of brown, nasty smelling substances.

    6. They already paid for all that crap many times over.

    7. violate the spirit of the law

      Well, then the law is poorly written. They are complying with the law in the way that makes the most sense for their business. If you think they need to pay more, then try to change the law, don’t criticize companies for complying with the law and doing what is best for their shareholders.
      It is just absurd to expect anyone to pay more than they are legally required to pay.
      Also remember that they US operations and franchises (you know, the ones that take advantage of US infrastructure) still pay tax on their US income.

    8. I don’t think there is any accusation that BK has evaded taxation. So they have paid their “fair share”. Now they want to move their legal domicile because the US has a unfavorable taxation regime. Do you think that they should have a master-slave relationship with the US government, and be unfree to move away from all that American infrastructure?

  31. For all those people (looking at you, Shreeeky) out there who say, “Well, nobody pays that nominal tax rate, so all we need to look at is the effective tax rate,” I want to know how much it costs to finagle that number.

    Wouldn’t it be better to spend that money on actual products and services desired by the customers?

    1. “I want to know how much it costs to finagle that number.”

      Lefties only count the seen costs.
      The unseen casts are irrelevant, ’cause KOCH BROS!!!!

  32. ROADZZZ!


  33. “Inversions may technically be legal, but the violate the spirit of the law, to whit: pay your fair share.”




  34. Well, if Burger King would just cross the border illegally into Canada, then all the leftists crying foul would be doing cartwheels. Well, I guess Burger King isn’t an exploitable undocumented Democrat so they don’t care.

    1. Maybe we can use border-derp to cancel out progderp.

  35. BK is not that bad Nick is just being a smug uninformed twat. Their masked ‘king’ commercials were hilarious, and they made an XBox arcade game based on him that was good enough to sell in a box for 5 bucks at BK outlets.


  36. As long as they still have money, then they will not have paid their fair share.

  37. This is the so-called tax inversion process, by which a U.S. company picks up a foreign one and then moves its corporate headquarters there to take advantage of lower taxes.

    In my neck of the woods, we call this responding predictably to incentives.

    And in my meat-eating days when I would associate with the hoi polloi at fast food joints, I loved me some $1 Whoppers. BK was always run down compared to McDonalds, but that just adds to its charm.

  38. Like tourists, capital tends to travel to where it is welcome.

    The US pretty much has a policy that, unless you’re a crapitalist with good political connections, worldwide taxation at the highest rates in the OECD makes capital feel quite unwelcome. The continual erosion in economic liberty doesn’t help either unless you’re a rent-seeking crapitalist.

  39. “The White House and a number of Democrats are trying to stymie tax inversions through legislation and the bully pulpit.”

    The Democrats are caught in political pickle here. A large portion of their constituents would scream bloody murder over giving tax breaks to corporations if they brought US policy more into international norms. Also, they would have to concede that the government has no claim to the foreign earnings of American companies. If there is one thing the Obama era Dems are loathe to do is admit that the government has no rightful authority over an aspect of private life.

  40. Wasn’t it just a month or so ago that the left was arguing that for-profit corporations exist solely to make a profit, and therefor can not exercise religion? But now they are supposed to exercise patriotism by paying higher taxes and lowering their profits?

  41. I learned just a couple of weeks ago that the one shining star on the Burger King menu — the relatively recently introduced Satisfries — had been discontinued. Done properly, I would say those fries were the best available in widely-available fast food. They reminded me so much of the wonderful crinkle-cut fries I used to get at 50-60s era drive ins and diners when I was a kid. They were a little pricey, but well-worth it in the opinions of my wife and me.

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    1. (continued from above)

      The day I learned the bad news, I had made a special trip to Burger King at request of my wife. At home, from the web, we grudgingly picked other things on the menu to complete a lunch order, but I was sent for the Satisfries. When I got there, the Satisfries item on the menu had been blocked out with a taped-over paper sign: “Sold Out.” I assumed that the shortage was just at that location, so I headed across town to a different Burger King, getting caught along the way in an extremely atypical traffic jam that turned a 10 minute drive into 40 minutes. When I got to the other restaurant, I saw no “sold out” sign on their drive-through menu, so I confidently started my order with Satisfries, and was quickly interrupted by the order-taker: “I’m sorry, they’ve been discontinued.” I reported my failure to the wife, and we agreed that, without the fries, we didn’t really want to stuff ourselves with Burger King calories. We took our business elsewhere (getting some wonderful Greek food and truly excellent, made-from-scratch french fries from a locally owned place, albeit at much greater expense!). I can’t imagine when we will want to patronize Burger King again. They made a great call, introducing the Satisfries, but a horrible one, in discontinuing them. Have it your way, Burger King, have it your way.

  42. Judge Learned Hand put it best:

    Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one’s taxes.
    Helvering v. Gregory, 69 F.2d 809, 810-11 (2d Cir. 1934)

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