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California Government Bans Itself from Flying Confederate Flag

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The California legislature yesterday approved A.B. 2444, which restricts the state government's use of the Confederate flag.

From the bill, which now heads to the desk of Gov. Jery Brown:

This bill would prohibit the State of California from selling or displaying the Battle Flag of the Confederacy, or a similar image, or tangible personal property inscribed with those images, unless the image appears in a book, digital medium, or state museum that serves an educational or historical purpose.

Brown will almost certainly sign it, since the measure passed the assembly 71-1. The senate approved it 33-2 earlier in the week.

The only dissenting voice in the assembly was Tim Donnelly (R-Twin Peaks), who previously explained on Facebook, "I abhor racism but this bill is antithetical to the first amendment, which was designed to protect controversial forms of speech."

He also stated to the Los Angeles Times, "I'm a strict Constitutionalist. It's painful and lonely."

Isadore Hall III (D-Compton), who introduced the legislation, says that it is not a free speech violation, and is intended to limit government. The bill "respects Constitutional protections by restricting government speech, not individual speech, and will send a strong message that California and its taxpayers will not be in the business of promoting racism, exclusion, oppression or violence towards others."

In a press release, he said:

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of racism, exclusion, oppression and violence towards many Americans. Its symbolism and history is directly linked to the enslavement, torture and murder of millions of Americans through the mid-19th Century. Even today, its public display is designed only to instill fear, intimidation and a direct threat of violence towards others.

The Huffington Post notes that "last month, Brown had all Confederate flag materials swiftly removed from the California State Fair after Hall brought their increased presence to his attention."

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  1. WHAT

    THE

    FUCK?

    1. Nothing to cut

  2. Hmm, I’m not sure. On the one hand, the bill does seem to limit only what government officials can do. But does this apply to all government employees? If it only applies to them while they are in their official capacity, I don’t think it’s a problem.

    Still, what a waste of time and money, which is what Democrat government is all about!

  3. that California and its taxpayers

    One of these things is not like the other..

  4. Look, California can’t escape its moral responsibilities for being a slave state and a willing member of the Confederacy that easily.

  5. I don’t think there is any first amendment issue, but why would this be necessary at all? Have parts of the California government been considering flying the Confederate flag?

    1. Maybe all those parts that want to secede from the rest of the state are using Confederate flags? I dunno, it’s fucking La-La Land, who knows why they do anything?

    2. Weren’t they available in a government gift shop somewhere? I remember reading about it here but can’t recall the details.

      1. Maybe some kind if historical thingee? Did some old Confederate soldiers maybe relocate there after the war?

        1. Certainly many veterans of all stripes headed out west after the war. I kinda doubt that it’s a big enough thing to keep them in stock at a gift shop like you are in NW Georgia.

          This doesn’t really bother me at all. The Confederate Flag is tainted and I don’t think that it’s wrong for an elected state government to prohibit it’s sale at government stores.

          1. Since there shouldn’t be any such thing as a “government store” this policy is fine with me.

            1. Yeah, if we’re going that route there are a lot of government things that shouldn’t exist.

            2. Yeah, but what’s a bigger threat to liberty a government-run gift shop at a government-run park, or a highly militarized police and surveillance state?

              Priorities, people, priorities.

  6. OT:

    Romney has a Huge Frankenstein sized head.

    http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/…..b2640460f4

    That or Ryan has a really small head.

    1. Mormonism and catholicism will do that to people, as any licensed and board-accredited phrenologist will tell you.

  7. Sounds like someone needed to grandstand about something.

    1. California will not tolerate the secession of the Southern states and wishes to show its unity with President Lincoln.

  8. I would prefer a bill that prohibits the State from selling pretty much everything.

    Why the hell is the state selling flags in the first place? Hell its flag buying budget should be cut by 99% as well.

  9. those are nice principals Isadore

  10. The Confederate Flag is a symbol of racism, exclusion, oppression and violence towards many Americans.

    One could say the same about the Cuban flag, the Black Power flag, and the flags of the USSR and China.

    1. One could say the same about the Cuban flag, the Black Power flag, and the flags of the USSR and China.

      and the British flag and the American flag.

      Might as well throw in the Mexican and Canadian flag as well.

      Red Maple leaf of oppression!!!

      1. More slavery occurred under the U.S. flag than the Stars and Bars (or the battle flag that has everyone so unhappy).

        1. Well that isn’t surprising, given that the confederacy was only around for 4 years. And unlike confederate secession, the colonies did not secede to protect slavery. Also, any attempt prior to the civil war to abolish slavery in the entire country could have and would have been blocked by the future confederate states.

          1. Your entire comment relies on a false premise. 1)The Confederate States seceded, not to “protect slavery”, but to escape economic exploitation just like the American Colonies did. 2)There is reason to believe that slavery would be safer with the states remaining in the union (without hostilities). Lincoln did not intend to interfere with slavery (he actually supported an amendment that would’ve enshrined it in the federal Constitution), as stated in his inaugural address. He did, however, intend to enforce the astronomically high tariffs imposed on southern trade.
            With the states remaining in union the northern stated would have had to continue enforcing the Fugitive Slave Act. If the seceding states peacefully left, there would no longer be a reason to and escaped slaves would have been free as soon as they crossed the Union/Confederate border.

            Additional food for thought: The Federal Government of the united States was never given the power to prevent any state from seceding for any reason. Some states (like Virginia) explicitly reserved the right to secede when ratifying the Constitution. Incidentally, VA did not vote to leave the union until Lincoln (unconstitutionally) called on her to raise an army to invade the seceding states, viewing this (correctly) as a overreach of federal power.

            P.s. I do not see how the Confederate States could’ve/would’ve “blocked” Federal legislation of another country. They certainly didn’t do so after being kept in the union at gunpoint.

  11. Damn. Just when I think Cali’s legislature can’t do any more stupid shit, they stoop to the occasion and exceed their previous lows.

    This was a truly meaningless gesture. Thanks, Cali!

    1. Well at least it is pretty harmless too. Maybe they should spend more time on stuff like this.

  12. you can always count on the elected class in California to put stupidity on full display. Your tax dollars hard at work.

  13. Ok, so how often does the confederate flag actually fly over the California Capitol anyway? I’ve been to California plenty of times, and I don’t recall seeing a single one.

  14. As stupid as the legislators & governor are in California, it would be better if they spent 99% of their time on useless laws like this than the $125 billion behemoth wasteful budget. Their state pension plans are going to bankrupt them sooner rather than later and they won’t fix that either. I am a second generation Californian, both of my parents were born in California, and I lived their 53 years. I don’t recall ever seeing a Confederate flag anywhere on government property there. I left 7 years ago & don’t miss the absolute mess that is California politics.

  15. “Even today, its public display is designed only to instill fear, intimidation and a direct threat of violence towards others.”

    Citation needed, Isadore.

  16. Is this about vendors selling flags at a State Fair booth or something? I’m certain (chuckle) that the legislation also prohibits sales of Che t-shirts. And when will Gov. Brown get around to apologizing for official California laws that treated Chinese immigrants as vermin?

  17. Dude this makes all kinds of crazy sense dude.

    http://www.AnonCrypt.tk

  18. So they banned themselves from using the image of the flag of slavery. Good start.

    Now if only they’d ban themselves from enslaving people via taxation, we’d really be on a roll.

  19. Its symbolism and history is directly linked to the enslavement, torture and murder of millions of Americans through the mid-19th Century.

    Nope. Its history is linked the the Army of Northern Virginia. It is nothing more than a battle flag.

    Even today, its public display is designed only to instill fear, intimidation and a direct threat of violence towards others.

    Wrong again. Most people I’ve ever known to use it do so in the same way as the Gadsden Flag.

    1. And the ANV was just a bunch of innocent guys wearing gray, wandering around with cannons and rifles for no particular purpose?

      The battle flag was incorporated into the Confederate national flag in 1863, anyway.

      1. I couldn’t tell you whether or not they were innocent, but they were fighting a defensive war against an invading force that killed hundreds of thousands of people.

  20. In other news: The State of California has banned its members from using or displaying the flags and banners of the Holy Roman Empire, the Duchy of Wallachia, the Margravate of Bavaria, the Kindgom of Bohemia, and stone markers of Cambyses II, Emperor of the Achaemenids.

  21. In other news, Putin declared it illegal for the Russian government to fly the stars and stripes.

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