Tonight on The Independents: Ebola, ISIS, Israel, Torture, Executive Orders, 'Economic Patriotism,' Plus a New 'Enemies of Freedom' Countdown & Weirdo Aftershow with Michael Moynihan!

Tonight's live episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three hours later) will be appropriately filled with woe. The Party Panel—consisting of beloved Reason Contributing Editor Michael C. Moynihan and of Washington Free Beacon staff writer Lachlan Markay columnist/GOP strategist Noelle Nikpour—will talk about the nightmare squads of ISIS routing Kurdish forces in Kurdistan, Israel inching toward a truce in Gaza (even as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu tells President Barack Obama to get off his lawn), and the president's weird "we tortured some folks" locution from over the weekend.

Cheery enough for ya? How about some EBOLA TERROR IN NEW YORK CITY?? Dr. Philippa Cheetham will be on to separate fact from hysteria. Are President Obama's various executive orders, such as on immigration, how you say, constitutional? Cato Institute Senior Legal Fellow Ilya Shapiro will assess. And I'll likely get ranty about one of J.D. Tuccille's pet peeves around these parts: The growing call from Obama on down to Jonathan Alter for a new "economic patriotism."

Tonight's show will also mark the beginning of a countdown that alert readers are likely to find familiar: The Independents' 25 Enemies of Freedom. Every night we'll be counting down a few in advance of a special Aug. 15 episode bundling them all into one show.

Online aftershow begins at foxbusiness.com/independents just after 10. Follow The Independents on Facebook at facebook.com/IndependentsFBN, follow on Twitter @ independentsFBN, and click on this page for more video of past segments.

Comments

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Are President Obama's various executive orders, such as on immigration, how you say, constitutional?

How many, do you say, divisions has the pope?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.....wiss_Guard

[Headless Body of Agnew]

And they have a long and illustrious history of kicking ass, taking names, and running out of bubblegum to chew.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Moynihan. That's all I ask.

[GILMORE]

The term "beloved" has longstanding deep-coded meanings in Reason-world.

I suspect its sort of like, "Friend of Mine, Friend of Ours" in Mafia speak.

No one ever talks about those mass-graves marked 'unbeloved'.

[Agammamon]

Lissen up. This is *our thing*. Those who need to know, know. And those who don't, don't need to know.

[Otis B. Driftwood]

Democratic Operative Accused of Racism, Deletes Twitter Account After Ethnic Jabs at GOP Senator's Wife

Color me fuckin' shocked.

[GILMORE]

I think the 'racism' label is bullshit

She was trying to paint McConnell as 'less americany' because he has an asian wife. Not racist so much as being stupidly partisan in the same fashion GOP types often do = questioning someone for their vague association with fancy-cats and furriners.

While i still think bill maher is an idiot - his point re: the idiotic pettyness of people getting freaked out by comments people make on the internet is fucking retarded. Twitter is basically an outrage-enabler because almost everything people say on twitter is incredibly stupid in some way.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

If "she isn't from Kentucky, she is Asian" isn't racist, then what *would* be racist?

[Wasteland Wanderer]

I'd say it's more xenophobic than racist. Still, as Epi would say, it's illustrative as to the projection that TEAM BLUE engages in.

[GILMORE]

yeah, that's probably a more-concise way of saying what i intended. it was an appeal to political Xenophobia.

[Agammamon]

Yeah, xenophobia.

Just because you mention someone's race doesn't mean your being racist.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Well this can't be racist because the guy is a Democrat. Democrats can not be racist. The are the champion of minorities. Democrats would never use racist language, advocate racial eugenics, pass racially discriminatory laws, enforce racial segregation with violence, or put minorities in internment camps. Only evil people would do those things and democrats are not evil. In fact the media tells me that it is the Republicans who are evil racists and so the only possible answer to this situation is that this individual is a Republican plant funded by the Koch brothers.

[Trouser-Pod]

Or-or...just follow me, here...He married an ASIAN! See, Asians tend to do better in education, business, etc., than other minorities. It ONLY makes sense that a Rethuglikunt would marry an Asian, 'cause they definitely wouldn't soil themselves by marrying a real minority.

AHA! See, we got this shit figured out!

[GILMORE]

yes, i think the comment itself is actually technically racist in its content. i think the motive for it was idiotic partisanship. and the whole kerfuffle is less about actual 'pervasive racism', or the woman's attempt to *appeal* to other people's racism (which is really what the comment seems to be: the idea that anyone is 'less native' than anyone else due to their affiliations is assuming that people agree with you)

What would be 'more racist'? I dunno. "all asian people are good at math, and bad drivers"?

but yeah, the essence of her point was an appeal to petty ignorance. The 'outrage' over it, and speed to label everything 'racism!' is sort of ridiculous.

[PapayaSF]

Ah, but the outrage and cries of "racism!" serve a greater purpose: they work to deprive Team Blue of their #1 trump card. It puts them on the defensive and (one hopes) further devalues a charge which has been made almost meaningless from overuse.

[Big Chief]

"idiotic partisanship" is redundant

[Otis B. Driftwood]

She was trying to paint McConnell as 'less americany' because he has an asian wife.

I can't determine which of the two tribes is more jingoistic. They're neck-in-neck.

Not racist so much as being stupidly partisan...

True, though she is racist as per the Team Blue definition.

[GILMORE]

Lachlan has a bitchin' picture on his twitter page.

Not of *him*. Of George HW Bush. Go see

The picture of Lachlan... is.... well, is there a 'twitter' thing where your photo is supposed to be kind of 'crazy goofy/stupid'? MK Ham had one like that. Lachlan looks like he's frozen in the headlights of a speeding truck. It reminds me of this

[Corning]

HA!

http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/med.....238749.png

I might have to start watching football again just cuz of who hates my team.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Why doesn't Wyoming hate anyone?

[AlmightyJB]

They hate everyone.

[AlmightyJB]

There's a ton of Steeler's fans in Ohio as well as the haters. Especially after the last time they won the Super Bowl. I probably see more Steeler's fans than Bengals fans although that may just be that Bengals fans are not as obnoxious as the Steeler's and Brown's fans so they don't stick out as much.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Yet another reason to steer clear of Texas.

[Wasteland Wanderer]

I'm surprised that PA is the only state where the Cowboys are most hated...

[Francisco d'Anconia]

And I was a Cowboys fan growing up in PA. No wonder I'm scarred.

[Wasteland Wanderer]

No wonder I'm scarred.

You sure that's not from Romo?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Who's Romo? I haven't watched football in 30 years.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Their days of being a power are behind them. They aren't the Yankees of the NFL anymore, despite the seemingly ceaseless efforts of numerous sports writers to maintain them in that position.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Boy Texas hates the Eagles, eh?

That's a badge of honor of sorts for Eagles fans.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

It's very mutual. The Buddy Ryan days were the best for it, but it's still good.

[Suthenboy]

Economic patriotism.

Didn't I hear this morning that he chided corporations for failing in their social responsibilities and then chided the republicans for hindering his ability to help said businesses do just that?

Really, who was stupid enough to vote for this crypto fascist?

I wish that motherfucker would let one thing pass his lips that doesn't make me want to puke.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

When you start throwing around phrases like "economic patriotism" and declaring that you will take unilateral action if congress doesn't pass the legislation you want you are edging past "crypto"

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Unpossible! Only Republicans can be fascist!

[Headless Body of Agnew]

Indeed, that theocratic scumbag Romney turned Massachussetts into a theocratic Mormon hellhole. Oh wait...

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Fox's reaction to Guardians of the Galaxy

(from Twitter)

http://bit.ly/UXxd0j

[PapayaSF]

Funny.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Rand Paul denies ever advocating the abolition of foreign aid to Israel

"I haven't really proposed that in the past," Paul told Yahoo News when asked if he still thought the U.S. should phase out aid to Israel, which has been battling Hamas in Gaza for weeks. "We've never had a legislative proposal to do that. You can mistake my position, but then I'll answer the question. That has not been a position ? a legislative position ? we have introduced to phase out or get rid of Israel's aid. That's the answer to that question. Israel has always been a strong ally of ours and I appreciate that. I voted just this week to give money ? more money ? to the Iron Dome, so don't mischaracterize my position on Israel."

Paul, who was in Omaha campaigning for Nebraska Senate candidate Ben Sasse before a three-day tour of neighboring Iowa, may not like it when reporters bring up his proposal from three years ago to end all U.S. foreign aid ? including to Israel. But that was in fact his position.

In 2011, the newly elected Paul proposed a budget that would have cut $500 billion from the federal budget in part by cutting off foreign aid to all countries, including financial grants to Israel.

Yeah, this is Rand flat out lying. Very disappointing.

[Calidissident]

Disappointing, and blatant pandering. Regardless of how pro-Israeli anyone here is with regards to the Israel-Palestinian conflict, it's pathetic that candidates have to prove sufficient loyalty to a foreign country to get the GOP nomination or the presidency in general.

[robc]

He may be technically correct in that his budget proposal was never a legislative proposal. But that is weak.

[Emmerson Biggins]

Thats shitty.

He needs to fucking watch it.

But there is no Israel Lobby, so it's weird he is pander-lying to nobody.

[Derpetologist]

One more comment from the corporate loyalty oath article on TDB:

LeftLeaner_1 2 hours ago
We need to go back to the tariffs that we had from the beginning of the nation.

DEY TUCK ER....JAAAWBS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUTnNKhF-EU

[Dances-with-Trolls]

I imagine that one could develop quite a admiring following on site like that by lifting quotes from speeches by Hitler and Mussolini, changing a few words or phrases to the modern American targets/usages (Nation for Fatherland, 1% for Jews, etc.), and then trolling the shit out of them with it to see how long and how many upvotes and likes one can collect before someone notices (if anyone does). If I had more free time I would do it myself.

[SusanM]

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the fatherland!

[SusanM]

Courtesy of the J. Goebbles band...

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/haken32.htm

[AlmightyJB]

Watched an interesting documentary on Mussolini a week or two ago. This sounds a lot like what he was preaching.

[VG Zaytsev]

""The worker in a capitalist state?and that is his deepest misfortune?is no longer a living human being, a creator, a maker. He has become a machine. A number, a cog in the machine without sense or understanding. He is alienated from what he produces."

[PapayaSF]

Like Al Gore or the Unabomber?

[Christophe]

I did worse than random.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

We're regressing, how surprising.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

August 15? If you could move that up a day it would be appreciated ok Matt? I get back from vacation the 16th. Thanks bud.

No?

/snaps finger.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Wonder Twins power activate!

Form of a dried cum stain!

Form of a...wait....wha?

[Derpetologist]

Sorry, best I got is a gopher moat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mhbxlz_wrI

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Hilarious. The kid shouting 'a gopher?!'

Hilarious.

[Duke]

Let me get this straight:

If you so much as think about saying something negative about our commissars, you end up on the no-fly list...permanently.

But if you are traveling from ground zero and are possibly a carrier of the world's deadliest plague, or if you belong to a Mexican drug cartel, you can waltz right in our country without any impediment?

This is all sensible how?

[SusanM]

Only a terrorist would ask that...

[Sevo]

"Uber driver has seizure, hits pedestrian in S.F."
http://www.sfgate.com/news/art.....667172.php

Unlike cabbies, he didn't undergo a 6-month evaluation!

[PapayaSF]

Decent Uber defenses in the comments.

[Sevo]

More balanced than expected.

[PapayaSF]

SFGate has a much higher proportion of progderp in the official portions, compared to the comments.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Independents, come back!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqwzTkb8j9I

[GILMORE]

'The Chinese Connection', which i believe was Bruce's first film? is one big "fuck you Japan", which highlights the depth and pervasiveness of intra-asian racism.

I think some of that was occasionally written out in the dubbed, English translations.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Whatever they wrote out must have been nasty, since the anti-Japanese animus shines through in many of the English-dubbed kung fu movies.

[GILMORE]

There was the classic scene where when Bruce's teacher dies, and they're all mourning him, the Japanese send a gift, which is a big sign reading "Chinese people are the "Sick Men of Asia"...

he then takes that sign, brings it to the japanese Dojo, and proceeds to kick every japanese motherfuckers ass to death, then stuffs the message down their throats, literally

From my understanding, "Sick men of Asia" is a slight understatement of the actual translation

[robc]

Is it racism?

Of course, I claim that races are entirely undefinable to begin with, but still China v Japan is racism and not nationalism?

[robc]

That is like saying the English/French hatred for each other is racism.

[Calidissident]

I think it is, because it's not a hatred that's just based on nationality. A lot of Han Chinese are racist against non- Han groups in Chiba and many Japanese people are racist against ethnic Koreans living in japan, some of whom have been there for several generations

[robc]

I guess Im making a race/ethnicity distinction.

Until someone fucking defines race, Im going with that.

[GILMORE]

Ask a Japanese what 'race' is. It boils down to "Japanese" and "everyone else".

Trust me, its Racism, and the most vigorous sort. The way chinese, japanese and koreans sometimes hate on each other makes American racism seem like pretty tame stuff.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: Hoops

[Fist of Etiquette]

My worst fear is semi-sweet chocolate chips.

[Fist of Etiquette]

All I ask is 2-button suits, white shirts and well-knotted ties. Is that too much to ask?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

http://www.debbieschlussel.com.....ty-pebble/

Arafat a 'fruity pebble.'

Never heard of Schlussle.

[PapayaSF]

Pretty old news. Schlussel is another of the substantial posse of hot conservative female commenters.

[BigT]

That depends on what the meaning of ISIS is.

[Duke]

At 1:15:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHlt1W83JFU

[gaijin]

That that is isis is isis
That that isn't isis isn't

[robc]

+1 Socrates.

Wait, that is Socrates, right?

[gaijin]

a Play on the Flowers for Algernon scene...but I think the original was part of socrates (or one of his peers).

[Sevo]

"That that is isis is isis
That that isn't isis isn't"

Gesundheit!

[Fist of Etiquette]

You know who can stop ISIS? Captain Marvel.

[AlmightyJB]

Let's just tell Bruce Willis that ISIS is an Asteroid and he has to go blow it up.

[Fist of Etiquette]

That's your solution to everything. Launch Ben Affleck at it.

[Agammamon]

Even if it doesn't stop it, do it often enough and we'll eventually get rid of Affleck.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Kennedy is on an interrupting roll.

[BigT]

Noelle unleashes her crack en.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Unleash the crackwhores on the Islamists.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Poor Foster. He should have put it in his contract to not get needlessly interrupted. Lesson learned.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Oh mighty ISIS.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

OK, Kurds, don't go all Cleveland Browns on us.

[Fist of Etiquette]

You know who else said borders schmorders?

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Amazon?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ouch.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Napoleon.

Hitler.

The Khan boys Genghis and Kublai.

Tamerlane.

Lombards, Goths, Vandals, Avars and Celts.

And any virus.

[Sevo]

Winston Churchill

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Hey John, why the long face?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Oh just unleash Israel already for fuck sakes.

[Fist of Etiquette]

"What are they going to do now?"

"They're winding down."

"But what are they going to do now?"

"They're winding down."

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Kerry? Look foolish?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Moynihan suddenly doesn't believe Hamas reporting?

[BigT]

Israel should create a 10-mile wide buffer zone - a no mans land - to prevent tunnels.

[gaijin]

They could build a wall with 30 foot deep footers.

[BigT]

Some tunnels are 60 ft under.

[gaijin]

that's deep...I wonder what equipment they used to dig them.

[PapayaSF]

Supposedly at least 160 children died digging them.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Hamas is libertarian?

[Christophe]

No, but the contractors they hired are.

Not pointing fingers.

[Sevo]

Yeah, but the deaths were caused by the joooze.

[Fist of Etiquette]

If we don't supply Israel with tactical weapons they might use their strategic ones.

[Fist of Etiquette]

"IDF isn't trying to target civilians, Hamas is."

KMELE FOSTER DISAGREES.

[gaijin]

REM...they all tap to REM.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"a real doctor" - you mean, sort of like an expert?

[gaijin]

"a real doctor"

so not Dr Oz

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Move over, Philosopher's Stone, meet Nitrous Oxide!

[gaijin]

Nitric Oxide....Nitrous would be alot more fun though

[Notorious G.K.C.]

OK, sure...

[Jesus H. Christ]

Yeah, that was my take.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I'm in luv.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I know you're real though doc. Grrrrowl.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Dr. Cheetham? Are her lab assistants Dewey and Howe?

[Trouser-Pod]

I'd be glad to fill in...

[Fist of Etiquette]

So is there some filter Fox uses on its cameras to make certain all women on camera appear attractive?

[PapayaSF]

I think it's called "casting."

[BigT]

Ebola in NYC...good place for it.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I had a touch of Ebola yesterday.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Hot, smart, rich, talks nice...

I want one.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I remember reading Richard Preston's The Hot Zone years ago and being scared shite-less.

[Fist of Etiquette]

You know what Africa needs? Obamacare.

[Sevo]

They can have my share!

[PapayaSF]

Oh, great: people can have ebola for up to 21 days without symptoms?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Why are you worried? Are you into necrophilia or something?

[PapayaSF]

I've been worried about global pandemics since I read Earth Abides as a kid. And then there's all the people from ebola countries who have been caught crossing the Mexican border, all the smuggling of illegals all over the world, fast air travel, and insane Islamic terrorists... yes, I'm worried.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Well. If correct, Canada should worry too because Mexicans find their way up here. A bunch of them are working in the apple orchards and berry fields right near my house.

[BigT]

She said bush meat! Heh heh heh

[Fist of Etiquette]

This is an interesting guest. So let's make certain we keep it to one segment.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Libertarians would have us all die from ebola since they think it's okay for people to take shits in the street.

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 4 August 2014

Hide n' Go Seek-Edition

- Kennedy: A New Thing! What do we call this New Thing? Sleeveless, collared, and...kind of striped patterned. Its white-ish which gives Kennedy some otherwise non-existent skin-tone, and the vertical lines do 'something'. Elongate? We will stick with "visual effect". A good one!

- Matt: Matt's grey-shirt collection only really looks great with a few ties, and this is one of them. Something's going on with Matt's jacket because his collar is swallowed by the back of his neck. This is a little odd as Matt owns so few suits that we've never seen any fit-issues. Maybe he just needed to give himself a shakedown and spiff in the mirror during pre-show.

- Kmele: Parsing the plaid shirt formula- we noted last week we like this the best: the grey tie with the neutral-colored blue-grey plaids & blue jacket. It seems to bind together the best and look 'composed'. Hanky also adds to the effect. Officially slicker this year.

- Moynihan: Probably the one guy we never will give shit about not wearing a tie. Because Mike just looks like he wears sportcoats all the time, and is incredibly comfortable with it. The only thing we pick on with Mike is, "How Hitler is His Hair?" Today's Hitler-Hair score? 5. Needs more Brylcreem

Hvala

[PapayaSF]

Kennedy: Except for the giant earrings, she could travel back to 1960 and show up at a suburban party without anyone raising an eyebrow. Very retro.

Kmele: Some plaids are not meant for wearing with ties. That is one of them.

[GILMORE]

you're late to the party re: Kmele and his plaid fascination.

he's tested a variety of things, but this is one of the better, suit-worthy shirts. Note the collar! its made for it. I agree it sometimes tests the limits of casual/semi-formal, but he makes it work

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Everything's OK...nothing to worry about...nothing to see here...

[BigT]

The Andromeda Strain comes to life.

[gaijin]

Always loved that movie...especially the part where the doctor misses the virus because she did not want to admit she had a touch of epilepsy and zoned out.

[BigT]

Read book when it first came out. Need to see movie.

[gaijin]

Some aspects of the movie are dated now but it made a big impression on me as a 10 yo.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

A Wind Turban would be cool.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

So a turban with a propeller on top?

[PapayaSF]

Those thousands of tons of bushmeat smuggled into the UK every year are a concern, and adds weight to my impression that the cute Dr. Philippa Cheetham is doing a little whistling past the graveyard. As does the fact that doctors and nurses are catching it.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

HEY! Don't talk bad about Dr Cheetham.

[BigT]

Bloomberg only No 25?? He's much worse. Top 5 easy. Maybe 1.

[Fist of Etiquette]

This guy is worse Bloomberg?

[GILMORE]

He kidnaps children

[Fist of Etiquette]

ONE CHILD. You kidnap one child and suddenly you're a child kidnapper.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

So does NYC social services.

[GILMORE]

Bloomberg and DeBlasio will both make 'enemies of freedom'. NYC represent!

Gavin Newsome? I guess he's gone, but he wielded a mighty ban-hammer in San Fran.

[PapayaSF]

Newsom is Lt. Governor, awaiting another run for office.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Yeah, we all saw that episode of House.

[BigT]

Kmele gives it to public schools!!!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Life Alert pushed that lady down the stairs.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Big emergency alert systems.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

God made man, Samuel Colt made them (including women) equal.

[gaijin]

+45

[Fist of Etiquette]

WHY CAN'T THE KID BE ARMED? < i The Independents want to take away children's rights.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Bloomberg should stick to making money.

He's an abomination politically.

[Fist of Etiquette]

So it's been proven this asshole did it?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

So? Stoners trumped and stumped the cops? Doesn't say much for NYPD, no?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Put those 2500-year-old penises in banana hammocks. It's only right.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Nice Italian accent.

[BigT]

Still stiff after 2500 years!!

After 4 hours you are to call your doctor!

[Jesus H. Christ]

Kennedy,

Kennedy!

KENNEDY!!!

Shut the fuck up.

Thanks darling.

[GILMORE]

Primus Sucks

[GILMORE]

"We never knew we had a retarded baby"?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ha. "The bad one?" Moynihan nailed her.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

HM, what's the legality of abortion in Thailand? If the parents are alleged to have attempted an abortion, is attempted abortion a crime?

[PapayaSF]

Looks like abortion is illegal there except for health of the mother, rape, and incest.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

So they can't just "terminate" defective fetuses? Barbarians!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Well, it was a prison colony.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Botany Bay? Botany Bay! Oh no!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

This is Ceti Alpha V!

[Fist of Etiquette]

The perfect film. I dare anyone to find a flaw.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Why didn't they simply beam Genesis on board and disarm it?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

The Genesis device was on a runaway buildup. It had already passed the point of return by the time the Enterprise knew what was happening.

And you can only beam an object to and from the transporter room, not from one point in space to another. Plus it was going to absorb all the matter in the nebular anyway.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Site-to-site transport was eventually developed. I don't know why they ever set foot in a transporter room once they figured out how to do that.

[Agammamon]

Site-to-transporter has been a staple of Trek since TOS.

How do you think they got the away teams *back*?

[Agammamon]

OTOH - why not beam it over, them beam it out into space 'on wide dispersion' like they did in that Jack the Ripper episode?/

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Store it in the buffers before it detonates.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Ahem.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Or beam it to the other side of the planet?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Did you even see the movie?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

What's the range of the transporter?

[Fist of Etiquette]

It depends on how far the writers need it to reach.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Far enough to not be in danger from a Genesis detonation?

[Fist of Etiquette]

They would have needed to transport it out of the nebula that would be enveloped by the Genesis effect and become the planet, and that apparently was out of range. For all you know, transporting the thing while it's armed could have set it off.

There is a major plothole as I recall but that's not it.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Anyway, I wasn't talking about a flaw in the plot, but the film in general. The effects were good, the directing was good, the casting was good, the story was good, the writing was good, the score was good. Look at it objectively. Search your feelings. You know it to be true. Perfect movie.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I don't disagree.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

That and Jaws.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Quint's death scene wasn't as good as Spock's. SPOILER ALERT.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Always thought Quint's death was a bit contrived. How hard is it to not slide into a shark's mouth?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

French doctors are quacks.

According to my doctor friend anyway.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

People actually want children?

[GILMORE]

Their small hands are excellent for scraping the smaller diamonds from the rocks.

[Derpetologist]

"Kids are great. You can teach em to hate what you hate, and they practically raise themselves!"

-Homer Simpson

[crazyfingers]

You forget the crux of the quotation: "...what with the Internet and all."

[GILMORE]

"Sounds like"!?

[Fist of Etiquette]

A lot of judging going on here.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Bottom line, that baby is still alive.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

But, the president is a Constitutional lawyer.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Who's going to stop him?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Democrats really are mental and without dignity if that's their strategy.

[Fist of Etiquette]

BUSH. DID. IT.

[BigT]

Boehner: "I'd be happy to bring any impeachment resolution to a vote that was co-sponsored by at least 10 donkeys"

The Boehner of our dreams.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

My battery is running low. Anyway we can speed this up, TI?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Battery on what?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I run on batteries. Didn't you know that?

[Fist of Etiquette]

I thought it was on bagged milk and mayonnaise.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I can't stand both.

Everything is made with fucking mayo.

[Fist of Etiquette]

They should take a loyalty oath to sensible segment titles. Where It's Matt???

[Derpetologist]

I used to wonder where the term Honkey came from until I heard Adam Carolla speak. I used to wonder where the term egghead came from until I saw Jonathan Alter.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Are you now or have you ever tried to pay fewer taxes?

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lou Dobbs.

[GILMORE]

DAAAABS!

[Fist of Etiquette]

How can you eff up waffles?

[GILMORE]

Too dry, too oily, stale...

Its *eggs* that are hard to fuck up. Waffles are actually fairly delicate.

[Fist of Etiquette]

We must all have waffles forthwith.

[Sevo]

Well, it looks like Neil Young is joining Ralph Nader in the 'round the bend' competition:

"Neil Young urges fans to boycott non-organic cotton"
[?]
"Today, I have taken the steps to remove sales of non-organic t-shirts and other products that damage the Earth from my concerts and my web stores. I vow to speak up & to do what I can to PROTECT EARTH."
http://blog.sfgate.com/dailydi.....ic-cottom/

I'm betting the total production of organic cotton will dress him and his band. And leave a whole lot of the world naked, causing all sorts of harm TO EARTH!

[BigT]

Artists are good at art, not logic or rational thinking. Ignore them.

[Sevo]

Artists also wear out, and I think Neil's 'sell by' date was some years back.

[SusanM]

So he faded away after all?

[goneGalt]

Rust never sleeps.

[Sevo]

If you ever owned a Porsche, you know that's true.

[Agammamon]

How do you get non-organic cotton?

Do you replace the hydrocarbons with silicones?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Finally, the no-holds-barred discussions which you can't see on the regular show.

[GILMORE]

Cue someone posting the gratuitous picture of matt, his hair, and his beer

[Fist of Etiquette]

Nelson? They were the hair twins, right?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Gambino? Was that supposed to be a comedy character?

[GILMORE]

Pour your 40 on the ground for the hair that aint around

[BigT]

After show is complete waste of time.

[GILMORE]

Its like the worst of "I was at a [blank] concert one time"...

[Fist of Etiquette]

What do you want them to talk about? Ebola?

[GILMORE]

Yeah, that was great, wasn't it? when the lady spent 5 minutes talking about "Did you know that organs can bleed all by themselves? well they can! And out your eyes and ears too!"

[GILMORE]

I was hoping kennedy would confess she conceived her first child backstage @ a motley crue show.

[GILMORE]

She's all like, 'Well, i prefer dirty south rap. 36 Mafia, motherfuckers'

[GILMORE]

Moynihan whips out his detailed knowledge of 1993 rap artists.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

The aftershow is injecting brain cell-killing poison directly into my cranium.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Cut off. Right on cue.

[RishJoMo]

Sounds like some serious business to me dude.

http://www.WentAnon.tk

[Irish]

Vox discovers the true cause of Ebola: Capitalism.

The result of this architecture of investments is that most health products that hit the market don't focus on sicknesses of the poor. Of the 850 health products approved by regulators between 2000 and 2011, only 37 focused on neglected diseases.

Well, logically speaking, we would expect 'neglected diseases' to have far fewer products...otherwise they wouldn't be neglected.

The countries where Ebola has popped up also happen to be some of the poorest on the planet, with the least health spending per capita. In some cases, less than $100 US per person is invested each year to care for citizens here.

See, when countries are poor as fuck because they adopted anti-Capitalist policies and have been victimized by tyrants, that's secretly the fault of the market.

What's especially hilarious is that they have another article on the site that says the FDA recently halted testing for a potential Ebola treatment. Question: Why is the American FDA halting study on a vaccine that will primarily be used in African countries? And how is it the fault of industry when the FDA makes it virtually impossible to bring drugs to market quickly?

[Irish]

Also:

This shouldn't be news. Most all of the money for research and development in health comes from the private sector. They naturally have a singular focus ? making money ? and they do that by selling patent-protected products to many people who can and are willing to pay very high monopoly prices.

Monopoly prices? Since when is the pharmaceutical industry a monopoly? Does Vox not know what a monopoly is?

[Sevo]

"Does Vox not know what a monopoly is?"

Someone who writes for VOX prolly does, but you expect them to wreck the narrative?

[Sevo]

BTW, lemme look:
OK, here it is. Egypt should certainly pay what the US patients pay for curing a disease, 'cause (the twit has no idea of which she writes):

"Drug for hepatitis C shouldn't be so expensive"
[...]
"What is this cost ? About $900 for a full course of treatment.
Here in the United States, the cost of this same treatment starts at $84,000. This is an exorbitant and usurious cost for this drug."
http://www.sfgate.com/default/.....668023.php

And no mention of the FACT that the cost of the med is cheaper than the cost of the alternative treatments which do not cure the disease.
Stupidity is a widely spread disease!

[Sudden]

I regret that I have but only two palms to bury my head in

[Sevo]

BTW, over on the 'loyalty oath' thread, commie-kid is now claiming to be a libertarian.

[Irish]

Is this Craiginmass? Is he seriously claiming he's a libertarian? Like Bill Maher 'Smoke pot, bang hookers' libertarian or the real thing?

[Sevo]

No, it's american socialist; the asshole who was beating on his/her 'libertarian' strawman last week as worse than rethuglicans.

[Winston]

commie-kid is now claiming to be a libertarian.

He's Sheldon Richman?
Of course Marx, Lenin, the CNT and all sorts of communists were "anti-state" but the People's Dictatorship would first have to take over everything and kill the opposition and the state would whither away and be replaced by People's Communes that will non-violently murder any dissenters.

[Winston]

Guess who wrote this?

We set ourselves the ultimate aim of abolishing the state, i.e., all organized and systematic violence, all use of violence against people in general.

[Winston]

And this?

While the State exists, there can be no freedom. When there is freedom there will be no State.

[Winston]

Or called for the "abolition of the police, the army, and the bureaucracy" and for "the salaries of all officials, all of whom are elective and displaceable at any time, not to exceed the average wage of a competent worker."

[Sevo]

Winston, you can mosey right on over and mention all that stuff to commie-kid.

[Knarf Yenrab!]

He's Sheldon Richman?

Idiotic.

[Winston]

So speaking of Sheldon Richman can someone explain to me what "land reform, peace, and social justice" means? The Second seems clear enough but what does he mean by "land reform" or "social justice"?

Also I found it funny that Richman complains about how libertarians have been "cut off from their heritage" in an article about a woman who was in the minority back in the days when the UK Liberals were actually a major political party and still somewhat classically liberal.

[GILMORE]

i think sheldon richman is a crazy hippy who thinks libertarianism is some magic sauce that solves international conflicts. which somehow no one in history has yet learned to *apply* properly, apparently.

I think he should be teaching philosophy classes and stay the fuck out of international affairs.

[Winston]

As far as I can tell "libertarian foreign policy" means letting Russia, China, Iran and Palestine do what they want. Sure this is good for preventing the US from invading other countries but it doesn't really create any sort of peace.

[Knarf Yenrab!]

Land reform: Stop government redistribution of previously owned land. Give Ireland back to the Irish (see Rothbard's strong condemnation of Rand for her support of Israel as civilized men battling savages).

Social justice: Richman is quoting wikipedia. Later in the article he invokes "legal and social" equality and "social-legal" equality, namely equal treatment by courts. Social justice is a phrase without meaning; legal and social equality isn't. Pretending that Richman is some sort of anti-market redistributionist is nuts.

The hatred of Richman for condemning Israel--a socialist police state that somehow merits "libertarian" support because it's surrounded by a bunch of backward autocratic regimes and because it ousted a bunch of poor people from their property because the Brits said they could--is a good indication that he's right about libertarians being alienated from their philosophical roots due to long affiliation with conservatives and neocons against the communist threat.

There is nothing libertarian about the state of Israel. The extent to which a person supports a police state that harms a bunch of desperately poor people who've harmed no one on the way to killing terrorists is the extent to which he's not a libertarian.

[Winston]

Wikipedia on Bob La Follette's 1924 Presidential campaign:

In his acceptance speech La Follette urged that military spending be curtailed and soldiers' bonus paid. At the foundation of La Follette's program was an attack on monopolies, which he demanded should be "crushed." ..... The Progressive candidate also called for government ownership of water power and gradual nationalization of the railroads. He also supported the nationalization cigarette factories and other large industries, strongly supported increased taxation on the wealthy, and supported the right of collective bargaining for factory workers. William Foster, a major figure within the Communist Party, considered La Follette a hopeless reactionary who wanted to break up monopolies and return to an era of small businesses.

[Winston]

So wiki on Henry Wallace's Progressives:
Among the policies the Progressive Party hoped to implement were the end of all Jim Crow laws/segregation in the South, the advancement of women's rights, the continuation of many New Deal policies including national health insurance and unemployment benefits, the expansion of the welfare system, and the nationalization of the energy industry among others.[

[Winston]

wiki on the Bull Moose platform:

A National Health Service to include all existing government medical agencies
Social insurance, to provide for the elderly, the unemployed, and the disabled.
Limited injunctions in strikes.
A minimum wage law for women.
An eight hour workday.
A federal securities commission.
Farm relief.
Workers' compensation for work-related injuries.
An inheritance tax.
A Constitutional amendment to allow a Federal income tax.

[sua cua cuon]

If "she isn't from Kentucky, she is Asian" isn't racist, then what *would* be racist?

[RishJoMo]

I like the sound of this man.

http://www.AnonWorld.tk