Independents Open Thread

Matt Welch | 7.22.2014 8:31 PM

Sorry no time for further explication, other than that I'll be in the hosting chair for tonight's live episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, repeats three hours later), and we'll talk about Flight 17, Israel-Hamas, the Obamacare case, Arkansas vs. dentists, and classic music pot-smoking events. Check it out!

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Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago

Hello.

Excuses, excuses Matt.

There are two types of people in this world. Those who like Garfield and those who backed Heathcliff.

I was the latter.
1. GILMORE 11 years ago
  
  Wait, heathcliff was the dog, right?
  1. Heroic Mulatto 11 years ago
    
    OMG, NO!
    1. GILMORE 11 years ago
      
      Oh, right! Heathcliffe was awesome
      
      I reject the Garfield/Heathcliff false-dichotomy however. They co-existed perfectly in my world. Also, I think Garfield's world-weary cynicism was sort of like, "Mencken for pre-teens!"
      1. Heroic Mulatto 11 years ago
        
        I just couldn't get past animated Garfield's voice being animated Peter Venkman's voice.
        
        GILMORE 11 years ago
        
        I don't remember animated garfield that well - or rather, i remember being disappointed by the animated version and avoided it.
        
        I had the large coffee-table sized books of Garfield and Bloom County etc. and read them all the time as a kid.
        
        Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
        
        Apparently he'll be doing the voice over in an upcoming Heathcliff film (which will probably be bad).
        
        Cytotoxic 11 years ago
        
        The animated Garfield voice was awesome! That made the show.
    2. Redmanfms 11 years ago
      
      I had a thing for Cleo before I was old enough to really have "things." It was kind of bizarre being sexually attracted to an animated cat without knowing what attraction meant.
      1. Almanian! 11 years ago
        
        Well - OK then!
      2. GILMORE 11 years ago
        
        You think you're the only one? STAY AWAY FROM HER.
      3. Heroic Mulatto 11 years ago
        
        At least it wasn't one of the Gummi Bears or something.
        
        Trouser-Pod 11 years ago
        
        HM, I love ya, and all that, but you've gone to some dark places in the human psyche recently.
        
        That being, said, Gummi.
        
        Heroic Mulatto 11 years ago
        
        Sunni Gummi?
        
        Trouser-Pod 11 years ago
        
        Yeeesh...pre-teen, apparently.
        
        gaoxiaen 11 years ago
        
        Or the purple Teletubby.
  2. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
    
    Gilmore. Garfield. Check.
2. PapayaSF 11 years ago
  
  There is only one ideal form of Garfield.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

This is what happens when you procrastinate. Your loyal viewers get the high hat. Or short shrift. Or bum's rush. Or all three.
1. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
  
  Matt is busy going over the play for tonight with Kmele.
  
  Matt: And you come in and like POW! And then I come and like, PAF! BOOM! But then you make KAZOON! Got it?
  
  /Kmele with blank stare licking ice-cream.
  1. GILMORE 11 years ago
    
    He's got to knock back a few more grams to get himself up to "Kennedy-Tempo"
Smilin' Joe Fission 11 years ago

I came all the way from Canada for this?
1. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
  
  But once here, it's like Hotel Arizona - or is it California? I forget - you can check in any time you like (or is it check out? I can't remember) but you can never come back (or leave? Hm.)
  1. Smilin' Joe Fission 11 years ago
    
    You must be french or something
    1. Almanian! 11 years ago
      
      Sacre bleu!
  2. Ted S. 11 years ago
    
    I think you had the Black Flag Motel in mind.
    1. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
      
      Holy Joseph, I totally remember that commercial!
    2. gaoxiaen 11 years ago
      
      Useful tip. You can kill cockroaches with Windex. Better than stinking up the house.
2. DesigNate 11 years ago
  
  Hopefully you weren't traveling with any Boy Scouts.
Bobarian 11 years ago

They're still trying to figure out who the guests will be.
GILMORE 11 years ago

Del-e-ga-tion time, come on!
Heroic Mulatto 11 years ago

NO TIME TO EXPLAIN!
Almanian! 11 years ago

And with The Hosting Chair? come - The Hoop Earrings?.

Wear them well, Matt. I hope GILMORE approves.
1. GILMORE 11 years ago
  
  Red Power Tie really did wonders for him.
  
  It was like Bull Durham = 'State your presence with authority'
2. Ted S. 11 years ago
  
  They should sit in The Hawaii Chair instead.
Smilin' Joe Fission 11 years ago

So I was out drinking Friday and ran into... a Libertarian! Sadly it was not one of those woman libertarians, but still.. very rare that I run into someone up in Canada that is a fellow monocle-polishing-orphan owner.
1. Derpetologist 11 years ago
  
  Libertarian DNA should be spliced with West African frog DNA. That way, a few will spontaneously change to female when placed in an all-male environment.
  1. Smilin' Joe Fission 11 years ago
    
    Do we have any libertarian biologist's that can follow up with this idea?
    
    "Mail-order female libertarians made from West African frog DNA"
    1. Derpetologist 11 years ago
      
      Perhaps through one of the retrovirus techniques mentioned earlier? I have researched this matter thoroughly.
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8apI6x2Qyg
    2. Cytotoxic 11 years ago
      
      I do not think that will work. Didn't the Jurassic Park dinosaurs have some frog DNA and spontaneously turned male?
      1. Derpetologist 11 years ago
        
        That was because all the dinosaurs were selected to be female.
        
        So, by the same logic....
  2. Suthenboy 11 years ago
    
    It will not matter Derp. No matter how buxom and feminine you become, I will always know it is you.
    1. Heroic Mulatto 11 years ago
      
      Derp is love, Derp is life.
      1. Atanarjuat 11 years ago
        
        Let's hope that video doesn't influence any Slender Man-style copycats.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

Prediction: Glasses.
Derpetologist 11 years ago

I wrote a letter to the editor of the local paper entitled "Raise the Minimum Wage & End Robot Unemployment". I doubt they will publish it.

http://platedlizard.blogspot.c.....robot.html
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

Foster is approaching Don Cherry territory.
1. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
  
  Needs a bigger collar.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

She's confident saying that she's former intelligence because it's < i The Independents. Her secret is safe here since no one is watching.
GILMORE 11 years ago

Another episode of

"Weiss talks about foreign issues and is occasionally interrupted."
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

Roll back the occupation. Give them the West Bank. I'm sure that won't buy Israel a new angle to dodge rockets.
Rich 11 years ago

"No Perry Mason minute."

*** facepalm ***
1. Ted S. 11 years ago
  
  Here's a Perry Mason 40 seconds. Is that close enough?
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

The separatists have been trained and supplied by Russia? GASP! Who would have guessed that.
1. Bobarian 11 years ago
  
  Well to be fair, the Ukrainians have been trained by the Russians as well?
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

Welch suckered by the dulcet tones of Ronald Reagan.
Rich 11 years ago

"It's not in the interest of the intelligence community to release everything we know."

Uh, huh.
1. Bobarian 11 years ago
  
  Because we'd look like real dumb-shits?
Derpetologist 11 years ago

Israel defeated the British in war and now there is peace between them.
Israel defeated Egypt in war and now there is peace between them.
Israel defeated Syria in war and now there is peace between them.
Israel defeated Jordan in war and now there is peace between them.
Israel defeated Lebanon in war and now there is peace between them.

So, clearly, Israel can never have peace with the Palestinians through war.

/derp
1. Cytotoxic 11 years ago
  
  Er I would agree but Syria and Lebanon war on Israel through Hezbollah, which is admittedly occupied ATM.
Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago

Nice Italian wide-spread collar.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

This is why no one was supposed to read the law.
GILMORE 11 years ago

Quick = What are michael cannons' main psychic powers?
1. All-Seeing Monocle 11 years ago
  
  Basic reading comprehension?
Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago

So.

Obama is a criminal?
1. Ted S. 11 years ago
  
  He's a politician. Of course he's a criminal.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

Phew. Good thing there are no repercussions for Obama breaking the law.
Rich 11 years ago

How about this?: If two courts release conflicting rulings on a law, that law is null and void due to being inherently imprecise.
Bobarian 11 years ago

Why would the Obama Admin follow this (or any other) law? Past performance indicates that this is an unfair expectation.
1. Rich 11 years ago
  
  Hey, what is the immigration law, chopped liver?
Longtorso, Johnny 11 years ago

Cato guy sucks as a speaker.
1. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
  
  Meh. Probably nervous. He'll improve next time.
  
  If there is a next time.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

MICHAEL WILL NOT BE INTERRUPTED.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

Oooo. I can't wait to watch Congressional GOP work to fix Obamacare.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

I say every politician should be forced to prove the constitutionality of every little thing they do. But that's just me.
1. Rich 11 years ago
  
  "Are you serious?"
2. Rich 11 years ago
  
  That's silly, Fist. *Engineers* don't have to prove the physical integrity of every little thing they do, right?
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

Reason Magazine commercial again. It needs to be changed.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

Sometimes you just have to prime the terrorist pump.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

So I guess there are no ugly ladies out there in Fox Land.
1. Trouser-Pod 11 years ago
  
  Hey, they can't all be Code Pink Honeys...
Bobarian 11 years ago

Ehhh, what's a little entrapment amongst friends(or officers pretending to be friends)?
Derpetologist 11 years ago

Stay with me here folks, because this is like, total blue sky stuff.

What if the feds stopped doing sting operations and instead pursued real terrorists? It would take less effort and be more effective.

See also this
1. All-Seeing Monocle 11 years ago
  
  and be more effective.
  
  Well, at least not less effective.
2. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
  
  He wants to be effective! Get him!
3. Suthenboy 11 years ago
  
  How dare you make fun of our federal heroes. Why, as we speak I am prevented from watching TI because my wife is watching our zany, lovable and incredibly good looking paragons of all that is good bust the bad guys on yet annnoooother episode of NCIS.
  
  (God I fucking hate NCIS in all of its iterations)
  1. Derpetologist 11 years ago
    
    But but but it's attractive white people solving crimes with lasers!
    
    And all computer problems can be solved by typing really fast on machines that make way more beeping noises than any computer in history.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

Suddenly we're going to push mens rea?
1. gaoxiaen 11 years ago
  
  Why no womens rea?
Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago

Wow.

These people are doing God's work. Imagine waiting a whole year for documents they requested and then have the courage to go to court over it in the interest of human rights.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

No bowling alley? No Kimmel? Did someone tell Obama he has to start thinking legacy?
Bobarian 11 years ago

Why would Obama want to suddenly appear serious? Past performance indicates that this is an unfair expectation.
GILMORE 11 years ago

The Independents Attire Review, 22 June 2014

"Knock-Knock!"-Edition

- Matt: The Power Ties continue. Tonight, Matt brings obligatory-Blue to provide the idiotic-but-necessary fair-and-balanced bullshit symbolism needed for an ostensibly 'independent' Cable News Host. Since he's now officially run out of the obvious POWER colors (*and If he retains chair #1), where Matt goes from here will provide some insight into what sort of style-statement he feels most comfortable with while getting the most intense camera-time. No Pressure Matt!

- Kmele: Kmele left us shattered last night with the aborted-Ascot. So bold, so fresh, so daring, and yet so briefly-lived!? Kmele seems to be attempting to regain his fashion-rudder after this minor crisis, and... well, we don't know exactly what to say about this jacket other than: yes, I do agree = Morris Day was underrated.

- MK Ham = Improving! Last night was tough for MK, squeezed between ascot-wearing Kmele and Powermatt, and she seemed to fade into the background; tonight she's carved out her own stylistic personal-space, and looks very composed and confident. We like the neutral color blouse and the plunging neckline, and we would totally disco with this momma.

Diolch yn fawr
1. Max Power 11 years ago
  
  Is that a navy suit?!??!? So much better than the black one.
  1. GILMORE 11 years ago
    
    My color-reception is so shit i can hardly tell.
    
    it does look better. in the whole "improvement of the entire look" thing, the suit itself faded into the whole.
    1. Max Power 11 years ago
      
      I wasn't sure until Cannon came on and I saw them side by side. Definitely navy. I feel vindicated.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

What the hell was that about cream?
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

That looks kind of cool.
Grand Moff Serious Man 11 years ago

Suction cup climbing things.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

They bleached it ironically.
Bobarian 11 years ago

I seem to remember reading that joke on here?
1. Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago
  
  That just means it was obvious.
Grand Moff Serious Man 11 years ago

Did Kmele look at his bathroom hand towel this morning and decide to wear it as a tie?
Bobarian 11 years ago

Worse things they could be doing, like enforcing EPA regulations?
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

Foster don't like Remy's music.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

I vaguely remember North.
1. Rich 11 years ago
  
  I vaguely remember North By Northwest.
  1. All-Seeing Monocle 11 years ago
    
    I vaguely remember Oliver North.
    1. Rich 11 years ago
      
      I vaguely remember Jay North.
      1. The Bearded Hobbit 11 years ago
        
        I vaguely remember North to Alaska
2. Derpetologist 11 years ago
  
  Is there anything you clearly remember?
  
  Like what I just got up to do?
Grand Moff Serious Man 11 years ago

Eh, when you read between the lines the review doesn't seem that bad.
GILMORE 11 years ago

That movie is (or was) available in its entirety on youtube.

i got through 5 mins and understood exactly where he was coming from
Bobarian 11 years ago

North was one of those big box office bombs, like Hudson Hawk, Ishtar, or Star Wars 1-3.
1. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
  
  Heaven's Gate bomb or just bomb?
  1. Bobarian 11 years ago
    
    They did not spend quite that much money on it, but it was probably one factor away.
Derpetologist 11 years ago

I decided I will be writing as many letters to the editor as possible, because why should senile cranks have all the fun?

http://platedlizard.blogspot.c.....eedom.html
1. Bobarian 11 years ago
  
  You don't have to be old to be a senile crank... just sayin'
2. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
  
  Don't forget to send a picture of you shaking your fist.
  1. Derpetologist 11 years ago
    
    I prefer to yell at clouds.
3. Rich 11 years ago
  
  Perhaps the editor will take a shine to you and position your letters well. I think the trick is to cleverly disguise one's snark with apparent politeness.
  1. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
    
    ALWAYS be polite in ANYTHING you do. It's the grease that gets results.
    
    Man, no matter how angry I am with someone, I always, ALWAYS act polite.
    1. Rich 11 years ago
      
      I knew a guy who wrote pretty non-PC rants but always included "Thank you" as the last line. He generally got published.
4. Raven Nation 11 years ago
  
  I liked this:
  
  Now, a layman reading that would think it means the federal government is only allowed to do what is specifically listed in the Constitution. But what it really means is that the federal government can do whatever it wants if it feels like it.
  
  I go into berserker-crazy mode in my head when I hear people say something along the lines of, "we really need experts to help us understand what the constitution means."
  1. Derpetologist 11 years ago
    
    There was a time when I thought it was better to honestly make the case for my views. Lately, I feel that the best thing is to take the view I hate and argue it as forcefully as possible.
    1. Raven Nation 11 years ago
      
      Biggest disappointment for me when I went to grad school and then into academia was the complete inability of academics to engage in any kind of intellectual discussion about politics.
      
      When they read sources for research, they really "interrogate" them to get at the interests, etc. people had in view. In politics, whatever NPR/NYT/Daily Show says is truth without any thought process. So, a few years ago I decided to no longer discuss politics with fellow academics.
      
      Instead I concentrate on the students seeking to undermine the system from within.
5. GILMORE 11 years ago
  
  the Editor of what?
  
  i've gotten 3 letters printed in the NYT. I sort of figured out what they like to see, and catered to that.
  1. Derpetologist 11 years ago
    
    Were they fashion reviews?
    1. GILMORE 11 years ago
      
      no.
      
      I was trying to find links to each of them. I found #1 .... #3 i have the copy they sent me for approval... #2 I cant find at all.
Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago

Did they do a Reason commenters poll?
GILMORE 11 years ago

FUCK UNGAR

he's such a smarmy cockbreath
1. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
  
  Ungar: I have smarmy cockbreath.
  Pharmacist: Here. Take this.
  
  Throws loose Tic Tacs at him.
  1. AuH20 11 years ago
    
    He'd need prescription breath mints. Do they make those?
    1. GILMORE 11 years ago
      
      He needs to gargle battery acid
      1. AuH20 11 years ago
        
        But it will be covered by his employer, right?
        
        Or will the fundies at MSNBC claim its against their religion?!
  2. Bobarian 11 years ago
    
    Throws Fires loose Tic Tacs at him [with sling shot].
Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago

Obama is from Unicornville.
AuH20 11 years ago

Matt, normally when you say you have no time to explain, you then grab a woman and make out with her. TIWTANFL

Anyway, who has an uncircumcised penis and is going to become a teacher?

If you answered "Goldwater" you would be correct. Going to school in the fall, so far leaning towards LMU.
1. Raven Nation 11 years ago
  
  "become a teacher"
  
  high school? elementary?
  
  And, is Lionel Messi U in Argentina or Spain?
  1. Rich 11 years ago
    
    Wassamatta U?
    1. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
      
      Well, Messi IS an Italic name.
2. Suthenboy 11 years ago
  
  I am trying to figure out where the uncut bit fits in with the rest of that.
  
  Congrats on the decision to teach. I wish you success in spite of my cynicism regarding that profession. Please, prove me wrong and keep us updated.
  
  Tell us again, what will you be teaching?
  1. AuH20 11 years ago
    
    It was better than 2 thumbs, I figured. Everyone has heard that.
    
    High School history, civics/gov, and economics. I really plan to get good at the economics, because people who don't get that make me a sad panda.
    
    I chose high school because I don't deal well with the high pitched voices of elementary school, and I don't want to be accused of being a child molester or thought of as one (seriously, people judge you if you are a guy who wants to work with little kids. Thanks, Law and Order SVU!)
    1. Raven Nation 11 years ago
      
      people judge you if you are a guy who wants to work with little kids
      
      True story: just down the street from where I live, the local merchants do this big block party kind of thing the Sunday before Halloween. Kids come from all over town (with their parents) to get candy from the various stores, have their 'photos taken with people dressed up as Bugs Bunny, etc.
      
      I like getting 'photos of all the events that take place in the area (winter ice skating, street singing at Christmas, etc). So, I'm taking some pics of this Halloween party and some guy starts accusing me of being a "sicko" because I "liked taking pictures of little kids."
      
      I should note that he was also taking pictures of his own little kids which was, apparently, just fine.
      1. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
        
        Jesus Christ.
      2. All-Seeing Monocle 11 years ago
        
        To be fair, the other guy was actually wearing pants.
        
        GILMORE 11 years ago
        
        Try the veal!
        
        nice
    2. Robert 11 years ago
      
      Doesn't seem to be a problem with people coaching children in sports.
Rich 11 years ago

"A great multitasker"?

Because he can read from *two* teleprompters?
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

I think it's the appearance that's the problem with golfer-in-chiefing.
Bobarian 11 years ago

I have yet to see the president be a great single tasker, so imma doubt his multi-tasking skills.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

Cluster fudge goes right to your hips.
All-Seeing Monocle 11 years ago

I think if I tried to say clusterfudge, I would still end up saying clusterfuck.
1. Suthenboy 11 years ago
  
  good. The expression was inspired by watching frogs mate and should be used as such.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj349h0LHTQ
Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago

With all due respect, and I speak as a foreigner watching from afar, Obama does come off as aloof and more putzy than Bush.
1. Rich 11 years ago
  
  Cooler, though?
  1. GILMORE 11 years ago
    
    Ask yourself who you'd rather have a beer with.
    1. Rich 11 years ago
      
      BOOOOSH!
    2. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
      
      Bush.
    3. gaoxiaen 11 years ago
      
      How about a spliff?
  2. AuH20 11 years ago
    
    If by cooler you mean blacker... then... still no.
    
    What?
    
    Bush seems like a man who know how to handle himself around a plate of chitlins.
Heroic Mulatto 11 years ago

No more Unger on the show or after.

Please.
1. GILMORE 11 years ago
  
  ^^^THAT
GILMORE 11 years ago

NO TIE PINS
1. GILMORE 11 years ago
  
  Flag pins. Whatever
  1. Rich 11 years ago
    
    *** rising intonation ***
    
    What about *bleached* flag pins?
    1. GILMORE 11 years ago
      
      i dont even know what that is.
      
      Ungar (cockbreath) suggested that All Presidents Wore Flag Pins. Obama is simply following Ancient Tradition.
      
      Flag pins didn't exist until 9/11 AFAIK
      1. Rich 11 years ago
        
        Bleached flags
      2. The Bearded Hobbit 11 years ago
        
        Flag pins didn't exist until 9/11 AFAIK
        
        I recall them showing up around the Bicentennial.
        
        (Also, the first time I recall the Red/Blue monikers for the parties.)
        
        ... Hobbit
        
        GILMORE 11 years ago
        
        A History of Flag Lapel Pins
        
        "According to Stephen E. Ambrose's biography Nixon, the President got the idea for sporting a lapel pin from his chief of staff, H.R. Haldeman, who had noticed a similar gesture in the Robert Redford film The Candidate. Nixon commanded all of his aides to go and do likewise. The flag pins were noticed by the public, and many in Nixon's supposed "silent majority" began to similarly sport flags on their lapels. Over the next few decades, the pin sporadically surged in popularity. During the Gulf War, they sold briskly alongside flag patches and yellow ribbons.
        
        Then came 9/11...."
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

Everything is a problem in Arkansas.
1. GILMORE 11 years ago
  
  Arkansas sort of scares me. They're like Alabama, but more *hardcore*
  
  Great football though.
  1. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
    
    By hardcore you mean more DP's or banjo playing?
    1. Trouser-Pod 11 years ago
      
      Say it with me, Rufus-
      
      "Why can't it be both?"
      1. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
        
        O-tay!
    2. Rich 11 years ago
      
      You'll have to give me a clue, Rufus.
      
      "Banjo playing" isn't in UrbanDictionary.
      1. Derpetologist 11 years ago
        
        You know, flicking the bean, double clicking your mouse- female masturbation
        
        Rich 11 years ago
        
        Oh. .... Ohhhhhhhhh!
        
        /Edith Bunker
      2. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
        
        Let's see.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8
    3. gaoxiaen 11 years ago
      
      "Squeal like a pig" hardcore.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

Using regulations to dodge competition? Say it ain't so!
Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago

Lord I loathe the government, bureaucrats and cronies.

They can be the biggest assholes around.

Knock their teeth out, doc.
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

There better have been lasers.
1. Bobarian 11 years ago
  
  Laser-I-um
AuH20 11 years ago

Rufus, I will say, Netflix and Hulu have shown you Canuckistanis make the occasional good show: Flashpoint, Republic of Doyle, Endgame (which was cancelled after one season, so you shouldn't get points there), and I'll admit... I have a bit of a weakness for Little Mosque on the Prairie.

Still, though... The Listener? Seriously?
1. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
  
  Degrassi?
  
  Yeah, there have been some good shows.
  
  Like Da Vinci's Inquest.
  1. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
    
    They should make a show 'The Screamer' or 'The Yeller.'
  2. AuH20 11 years ago
    
    I found Da Vinci's Inquest rough going in the first few episodes. Having gotten past them
  3. Raven Nation 11 years ago
    
    I stumbled across Da Vinci on late night TV. That was a really good show but only lasted on season, right? I know they were going to try and do a second season on the web but I never followed up on that.
    1. Raven Nation 11 years ago
      
      *one season
      1. Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
        
        I think you're referring to the sequel 'Da Vinci's Hall.'
        
        Inquest lasted several seasons.
        
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Vinci's_Inquest
        
        Raven Nation 11 years ago
        
        No, I saw the first season of original but for some reason I thought it got cancelled. Maybe the channel I was watching it on in the US dumped it.
        
        Bummer, though. I would have kept watching it.
        
        Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
        
        Link broke. Sorry. It's wiki. Eating cereal.
        
        Raven Nation 11 years ago
        
        I found it, thanks.
        
        Rufus J. Firefly 11 years ago
        
        It was a good show. I like seeing different cities in my shows and it's not every day you see Vancouver ('Beachcombers' doesn't count) My wife then girlfriend and I got hooked on it.
        
        One of the cops was on Soap. I forget his name but he ended up on a typical low-budget Canadian show called 'Danger Bay.'
        
        Bobarian 11 years ago
        
        Yes, he was Dutch, the escaped con who ends up married to one of the daughters.
        
        Donnelly Rhodes
2. Marshall Gill 11 years ago
  
  Come on Goldwater, never seen Trailer Park Boys? Canadian TV at it's very best.
Grand Moff Serious Man 11 years ago

'Going Ham'?

What the hell does that even mean?!
1. Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago
  
  IT MEANS SHE GETS RESULTS YOU STUPID CHIEF!
2. Heroic Mulatto 11 years ago
  
  Going "Hard as a Motherfucker".
3. Bobarian 11 years ago
  
  It's an anti-muslim slam?
4. GILMORE 11 years ago
  
  "Hamming it up?"
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

jk
Notorious G.K.C. 11 years ago

Music to smoke weed by:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foIIbU8qadQ
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

AH! Lou Dobbs.
Notorious G.K.C. 11 years ago

Music to smoke weed by, Part II:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnn3TVBDtcA
MJGreen 11 years ago

NO KMELE, NO DEAL

As much as I'd love to watch more of Ungar.
Sevo 11 years ago

So did that slimy little commie wear a bow tie?
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

I was hoping Cruz wasn't legit. Send him back to Canada.
GILMORE 11 years ago

Ted Cruz has an annoying voice
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

No open partisans on the after show!
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

She's a Democrat. Duh.
Heroic Mulatto 11 years ago

Unger, you fucking hack.
Notorious G.K.C. 11 years ago

Ha ha, trying to defend Hillary.
GILMORE 11 years ago

Ungar repeats a lot of cliches hoping to resonate with someone, somewhere.
GILMORE 11 years ago

Aftershow death....

I can see why kmele ran. also, I can understand the jacket. He clearly had plans and was dressed to *party*
Fist of Etiquette 11 years ago

I'll give it to Welch. He handled Ungar perfectly. Gave him enough rope to hang himself but didn't push it. Just moved on from arguing with Ungar on his Hillary support to recounting his challenges to his progressive friends on this.
1. AuH20 11 years ago
  
  Sadly, the part of Ungar's brain that forms memories is damaged, meaning that he can't learn from things like this.
GILMORE 11 years ago

Democrats always act like they have deep insights about Which Republicans are 'The Good Ones'.

Democrats actually repeated how 'electable' romney was.... until he won the GOP primary, at which point he became a corporate/1% satan worshiper
1. PapayaSF 11 years ago
  
  Democrats also tend to hate living Republican politicians, but once dead they transform into not-so-bad, reasonable people, especially compared to the evil living ones. See: Goldwater, Eisenhower, etc.
GILMORE 11 years ago

Will they cut off Matt???.....
1. GILMORE 11 years ago
  
  no
Notorious G.K.C. 11 years ago

With all the depressing news going around, sometimes it's nice to read something uplifting like -

"Dungeons & Dragons Saved My Life"

http://www.newyorker.com/cultu.....ed-my-life
Derpetologist 11 years ago

Greatest choir ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItMJtA8vfpw
Raven Nation 11 years ago

Odd baseball game unfolding: top of the 12th, Yankees 0, Rangers 0. Yanks have 4 hits, Rangers 7.
1. Buddy Bizarre 11 years ago
  
  And Chase Headley, who arrived at the stadium only a few hours earlier from the Padres, gets the walk off hit to win the game in the bottom of the 14th.
  
  I thought that game would never end!
Notorious G.K.C. 11 years ago

"FRC's Tony Perkins to Testify before House Subcommittee about Meriam Ibrahim...

"Mr. Perkins will testify regarding the case of Meriam Ibrahim, a Sudanese Christian who had been sentenced to death for the "crime" of converting from Islam. Meriam languished in a notoriously rank Sudanese prison with her 20-month-old son and her newborn daughter before being released on June 23. She is now being sheltered in the U.S. Embassy and is waiting for permission from the Sudanese government to leave the country."

http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/2071679
1. Raven Nation 11 years ago
  
  Maybe the US should just send in a couple of gunships and fly her straight out of the embassy.
  1. Notorious G.K.C. 11 years ago
    
    +1 General Kitchener
    1. Raven Nation 11 years ago
      
      Yeah, I'm only half joking. I know there are international rules, etc., but seriously, fuck Sudan. You want to grandstand like this, we'll just deal with it.
Sevo 11 years ago

Lefty lawyer gives it away:
"Tony Serra a tireless courtroom 'Verbal Warrior'"
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/.....633280.php

He's certainly not all bad, defending some real assholes who didn't do what they were charged with, and he brags about taking a 'vow of poverty' and working for nothing on some cases. OK, he's a lefty, but not all bad.
Well:
"For more than 50 years, Serra, 79, has lived alone on the western slope of Telegraph Hill,[...]the apartment will probably end up being the last standing rent-controlled unit in San Francisco. Who is going to attempt an Ellis Act eviction on Tony Serra?
"One reason is I'm a lawyer," says Serra, who would welcome that fight. "Two, I have the law on my side."
The rent is $420"...

Yeah, he has thugs to make sure he doesn't have to pay what things cost. Wonder if he thanks his landlord for the landlord's 'vow of poverty' forced on him by this shitbag?
1. PapayaSF 11 years ago
  
  Speaking of obnoxious lefties, Michael Moore turns out to have nine houses and be worth $50 million.
  1. Sevo 11 years ago
    
    I'd applaud that accumulation of wealth if the guy didn't claim to hate wealthy people.
    1. Bobarian 11 years ago
      
      It is pretty apparent, by just looking at him, that he hates himself more than anyone.
Sevo 11 years ago

Tesla is closing for a month (must be nice to have a month's vacation) to re-tool:

"Tesla Motors halted production at its sole assembly plant for the first time for a revamp the company said is necessary to speed Model S output and prepare it to make electric crossovers."
http://www.sfgate.com/default/.....636493.php

The article is worth reading with a skeptical eye, and two numbers got my attention:
"Upgrades mainly involve modifications to the factory's body and general assembly lines and will cost about $100 million, he said."
And
"he wants Tesla to deliver at least 35,000 Model S sedans to global customers this year, a jump of about 56 percent from 2013."
So this year, Tesla shipped ~23,000 cars at a supposed $71K ea, which means the gross income of ~1.63Bn, so ~6% of revenue is going to retool a company which is 8 years old.
Sniff, sniff... Not smelling good.
1. Bobarian 11 years ago
  
  It is a huge government kickback program.
  
  I understand they lose money on every car, but their trying to make it up in volume.
  
  Really, they make money in idiots buying grossly overpriced stock, and selling carbon credits to businesses in CA.

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