Juggalos Still a 'Hybrid Gang' after Insane Clown Posse Loses Lawsuit Against FBI
"While it is easy to fear what one does not understand, discrimination and bigotry against any group of people is just plain wrong and un-American."
A judge has said that the Federal Bureau of Investigation is not at fault for the effects of classifying Juggalos, the fans of Detroit horrorcore rap duo Insane Clown Posse (ICP), as a "hybrid gang" in their 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment report.
U.S. District Court Judge Robert Cleland dismissed a lawsuit brought in January 2014 by the members of Insane Clown Posse and the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan that alleged local police departments were using the FBI's report to profile, harass, and detain Juggalos based on the fact that they associated themselves with the group. From the Associated Press:
Cleland said the U.S. Justice Department is not responsible for how authorities use a national report on gangs.
The report "does not recommend any particular course of action for local law enforcement to follow, and instead operates as a descriptive, rather than prescriptive, assessment of nationwide gang trends," Cleland said in a 14-page opinion last week.
Lawyers from the ACLU beg to differ and released a statement July 8 saying that the only way to remedy the classification was to start at the root of the problem.
"There is no doubt that the FBI created this problem and the solution begins there as well," said Michael J. Steinberg, ACLU of Michigan legal director. "Otherwise, we'll be playing whack-o-mole to stop local law enforcement agencies from discriminating against our clients, when the agencies are just following the FBI's lead."
The members of ICP, Joseph Utsler and Joseph Bruce, known as Shaggy 2 Dope and Violent J respectively, have vowed to keep fighting against classification of their fans.
"There has never been—and will never be—a music fan base quite like Juggalos, and while it is easy to fear what one does not understand, discrimination and bigotry against any group of people is just plain wrong and un-American," said Bruce.
For more on the Juggalos watch Juggalos vs. the FBI: Why Insane Clown Posse Fans are Not a Gang:
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Well, at least they're driving hybrids. The environmentalists have to be happy about that.
Of all the despicable things government has done, making me side with Juggalos is pretty high on the list.
Never has my dislike of government made me feel so dirty. This is even worse than making me support all that butt-loving them filthy homos are always doin'.
In the future, pierced old people with tattoos will get together, put on clown makeup, and listen to rap music.
I'm dying a hermit. No way am I sharing a rest home with elderly Juggalos.
The consumption of Faygo will kill them long before it comes to that.
That's okay, I consider the FBI a gang of thugs and monsters, too.
Descriptive not prescriptive? Did anyone argue that descriptions can be prescriptive? "They are armed violent felons" would lead to certain actions being taken by law enforcement. "They are a gang" would also lead INEVITABLY to certain actions by LE.
I mean wow. The classification by the FBI is simply asinine but that ruling is fucking retarded.
Just so I get this straight:
- FBI not responsible for how law enforcement authorities react when it labels a group a gang (if they weren't intending law enforcement to act on this information, why in the world are they publishing the report?).
- Members of congress not responsible for IRS investigating teaparty groups applying for 501(c)(3) status after they call for such investigations
- Amateur video maker is responsible for the actions of people taken halfway across the world because they were offended by his video.
- Republican opposition to ACA is responsible for murders in Las Vegas and Kansas(I'm not making this up: http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....terrorism/)
Presumably their next step would be to take this up with the FBI. Are these determinations by the FBI subject to administrative procedures like notice & comment? Maybe some procedural flaw can be found.
The only other remedy I can think of would be for Juggalos to organize as actual criminal gangs, to take advantage of this free publicity. That should give them a competitive edge over other criminal gangs.
Does that mean Jillian from Workaholics is in a gang now?