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Politics

Tonight on The Independents: Thomas Massie on Hemp, Julian Sanchez on the NSA, Christie's Saber-Rattling, Hillary's Age, Mrs. De Blasio's Parenting, Switzerland's Minimum-Wage Rejection, Plus Sexy After-show!

Matt Welch | 5.19.2014 8:33 PM

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Tonight's live episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, repeats three hours later) begins with Party Panelists Katie Pavlich (co-host, Outnumbered) and Basil Smikle (Democratic political strategist)  chewing on possible weaknesses of two major-party presidential candidates for 2016: Hillary Clinton's age/health, and Chris Christie's hawkishness. Later in the show the panel will be back to talk about the fake 9/11 gift shop controversy.

Beloved former Reasoner Julian Sanchez, now of Cato, will then come on to talk about some of the latest National Security Agency fooferaw: The physical hacking into Cisco Systems, the listening in on "every phone call in the Bahamas." There follows a discussion about New York Mayor Bill De Blasio's wife, Chirlane McCray, recalling about her daughter when she was an infant, "the truth is, I could not spend every day with her." 

Then frequent guest Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Kentucky) comes on to talk about the feds getting between his constituents and legal hemp. And I'll deliver a quick rant about people giving superly-duperly prosperous Switzerland a hard time for note adopting a $25 per hour minimum wage.

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  1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    It's been five good minutes and no comment yet?

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      And...Hello.

      1. Lady Bertrum   11 years ago

        We're waiting for Francisco to tell us to Assemble.

        1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

          It's a libertarian place. We don't need to wait for nobody!

        2. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

          He's MIA. I'll send out a search party.

    2. BigT   11 years ago

      Awesome pregame at the Forum

  2. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Later in the show the panel will be back to talk about the fake 9/11 gift shop controversy.

    What would they sell there? A burning tower lighter? (Too soon?)

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      Box cutters

      1. BigT   11 years ago

        Allah Akbar engraved box cutters

    2. Slammer   11 years ago

      Lee Greenwood CDs

    3. Army of the 12 Monkeys   11 years ago

      Jenga

    4. poloniusium   11 years ago

      Thermite! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

  3. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    No welcome back for Foster?

    1. Episiarch   11 years ago

      The Sweathogs are going to surprise him.

  4. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    And I'll deliver a quick rant about people giving superly-duperly prosperous Switzerland a hard time for note adopting a $25 per hour minimum wage.

    Would their minimum wage be backed by all that Nazi gold they have?

    (Too soon?)

  5. BakedPenguin   11 years ago

    Beloved former Reasoner Julian Sanchez...

    Should be a salty, hammy good time.

  6. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    on possible weaknesses of two major-party presidential candidates for 2016: Hillary Clinton's age/health, and Chris Christie's hawkishness.

    Strike that, reverse it. Christie seems like he's one prime rib dinner away from a heart attack and Hillary would burn down the Realm if it meant she could be queen of the ashes.

    1. Trials and Trippelations   11 years ago

      Damn I was just going to post that these attributes are interchangeable between the two

    2. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      What an unbiased formulation!

      Christie is unelectable because of his policies.

      Hillary unelectable because she sacrified her health and the best years of her life in the service of her country, and now she's old and sickly, and I hope you're happy, haters!

      1. Irish   11 years ago

        Especially considering that Hillary's support of the Iraq war makes her at least as hawkish as Christie.

        1. Tman   11 years ago

          Say what you want about Palin, but this is pretty funny-

          Hey! Hillary's brain is off-limits! Leave her health records alone!Democrats are right ? scouring records of a female candidate is just politics of personal destruction, and for the media to engage in it would be unfair, unethical, and absolutely UNPRECEDENTED. You can't probe a woman like that because, well, it's a war on women!

          Point: Palin.

          1. Agammamon   11 years ago

            Also, point: Cheney.

  7. sloopyin??   11 years ago

    D.C. Reasonoids: we will be arriving late this evening and should be in town for a couple of days looking for places to live.

    If anyone wants to get together tomorrow night, shoot me an email.

    1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

      Your going away party is going to be so awesome. I'm getting a cake with penises. I'll video conference you in at the cake cutting.

      1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

        I see that you had your own little party in Vegas, though. This'll teach you.

      2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        What's going on? Where's he going? Clue me in. I'm needy.

        1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

          Sloopy is leaving Gomorrah for Sodom. Moving from California to DC.

          1. sloopyin??   11 years ago

            Don't think of it so much as a "goodbye", think of it more as a "so long, suckers".

            1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

              I'll be shacked up with kibby next week in Tucson (first time visiting in 10 years), so I'll see if Arizona is to my liking.

              Change is (mostly) good.

              1. Episiarch   11 years ago

                Tucson's pretty cool. But small. I visited my sister there once for a few days. And outside the city is just...desert.

                1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

                  We're going hiking, which I enjoy, so I'm glad for the natural deserve environment. But if I were to move to AZ it would be to Phoenix and only if I could find a decent job first

                2. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

                  The desert? I like to drink beer and swim in pools there!!!

                3. Suthenboy   11 years ago

                  That is what makes it desirable.

                4. Knarf the Yenrabian   11 years ago

                  That's what's so great about it. That and the jaguar population.

                5. Agammamon   11 years ago

                  Tucson is the most awesomest city in this benighted country.

                  Also I may be biased, I grew up there.

              2. Tejicano   11 years ago

                Tucson is great. I used to live just south and east of there in a tiny development in the desert. It was cool to take a short hike after work and see the wildlife.

              3. OneOut   11 years ago

                Does Kibby know this and is she in agreement ?

            2. Knarf the Yenrabian   11 years ago

              I did not know until today that it was sloopy-in-ca rather than sloopy-inca. Had you pegged as one of our exotic twofer minority libertarians.

              1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

                I didn't pick up on that either. I thought he was Peruvian until I met him.

              2. The Bearded Hobbit   11 years ago

                Yeah, it took me a bit, too.

                ... Hobbit

                1. sloopyin??   11 years ago

                  I might change my handle to sloopyinyourmom to remove any racial confusion. But I'll probably stick with the whole geography thing and change it to sloopyinhell.

          2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

            Ah.

            For work I reckon?

            Good luck. Welcome to the east coast. We're the best.

            1. sloopyin??   11 years ago

              For me, this is a homecoming. Most of my adult life was spent in Virginia. And since DC borders Virginia, it will be the same thing, right?

              1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

                You bet!

      3. sloopyin??   11 years ago

        Man, that's the second time someone got me a dick cake.

        1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

          I'll save you the best piece.

          1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

            The foreskin?

            1. sloopyin??   11 years ago

              No, he's saving that piece for Nicole.

              1. Fr?ulein Nikki   11 years ago

                Aww, yay!

        2. Episiarch   11 years ago

          Apparently, Ken, when you bought that medium drink, you entered a binding contract that enables them to rip off your dick.

          1. Tejicano   11 years ago

            Well, at least he gets to hang out with Barbie.

        3. Agammamon   11 years ago

          Only this time it won't be because someone wiped their dick on it.

          1. sloopyin??   11 years ago

            Don't give Playa any ideas.

            1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

              I just got an idea. Check your Facebook page for pictures in a week or 2.

  8. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

    So roughly how many millions of people has The Independents converted to libertarianism?

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      0 millions.

      1. Corning   11 years ago

        hmm..

        That is more then I expected.

    2. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      You think it's about converting people?

      People gather to watch a train wreck, but not to be converted.

      (kind of kidding)

      1. poloniusium   11 years ago

        but only kind of.

        The Friday episode was OK.

        1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

          Municipal pension crisis - and not a syllable about Beyonce or the royal baby!

          And Kennedy's interrupting was at a minimum. Any less, and she wouldn't have been interrupting anyone at all!

      2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        I don't think it's bad at all - except for Kennedy's grating ability to interrupt.

        There are far worse programming on cable. Like The View and Hardball.

        1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

          Well, having watched Hannity's America on Dope Special, maybe you're right.

        2. Bam!   11 years ago

          The Independents: There's Far Worse Out There

  9. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

    Homer: "They ruined all our best names, like Bruce and Lance and Julian!"

  10. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfTEhUECaXk#t=10

    1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

      Give him a few. It's not your place.

      1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

        Now that the fishing season's started, if it ain't there at 8:50, feel free.

    2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      We're here for a good time:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHnl7jNK6us

  11. GILMORE   11 years ago

    " the fake 9/11 gift shop controversy"

    I think its terrible anyone would sell fake 9/11 gifts.

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      "Terrorists blew up the Twin Towers, and all I got were these lousy wars."

      1. GILMORE   11 years ago

        To be fair, I would totally buy a rubber "Osama's head on a spike" to put in my front yard. I am still mad that NYC didn't get at least temporary exclusive rights to hang his corpse from a gibbet to be feast for crows.

        1. Cytotoxic   11 years ago

          His body should have been preserved in carbonite and kept in a crate alongside The Ark of The Covenant for study by TOP. MEN.

          1. Army of the 12 Monkeys   11 years ago

            How do you know it hasn't been?

  12. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Hear ye, hear ye: I have finished compiling and annotating The Derponomicon. I do not recommend reading it all at once. I barely held on to my sanity.

    http://platedlizard.blogspot.c.....art-1.html

    1. Jordan   11 years ago

      Dude, I don't know how you could put up with that guy without losing your sanity. I only read a few parts and felt like I was gazing into the maw of madness.

      1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

        You don't know the power of the Derp side. Once you embark upon its path, forever will it dominate your destiny.

        1. Swiss Servator, CH yeah!   11 years ago

          So I should draw an Elder Sign on my forehead before reading...?

  13. Irish   11 years ago

    JOOOOOOOOOOS!

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Who is that guy?

      1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

        Another brainiac musician. The average IQ of rappers seems to be around that of rock drummers.

  14. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Is anyone going to tell Kmele how horrible the show was without him?

    1. Episiarch   11 years ago

      He knows, GILMORE. He knows.

      1. Pro Libertate   11 years ago

        So GILMORE is our Dr. McCoy?

    2. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

      Maybe make this the bumper music?

  15. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    A prog student makes a ridiculous comparison:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCxC3WIfOMk

    FEMA agrees:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPg9MdN9Gio

    1. Suthenboy   11 years ago

      Why is FEMA weighing in on this issue? That is not related to their job. It hasn't got anything to do with withholding food and water from disaster victims.

      1. Corning   11 years ago

        look at the date of the video.

        Pre 9/11 and probably a hold over from the Clinton administration.

        My guess is FEMA was worried about domestic terrorists just as much as the FBI and DOJ were under Clinton...and wanted to work out responses to it with local police.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Prediction: Cleavage.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      No cleavage tonight. Welch is covered up.

  17. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    No earrings? Is the show making cutbacks already?

  18. Slammer   11 years ago

    Who wore it better: Kmele or Welch?

  19. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    I just want to remember potential voters that at the end of her hypothetic administration's first term Shrillary will be six years older than she is today and look it.

    1. Fr?ulein Nikki   11 years ago

      The presidency ages you in dog years, so she'll look 30 years older, actually.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        Meow.

  20. Bam!   11 years ago

    That wasn't a bad interjection by Kennedy.

  21. Trials and Trippelations   11 years ago

    If Hillary becomes President I look forward to how grotesque she looks in post-presidency photos.

  22. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Geez, Bill is looking bad.

  23. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    I bet you liberals hated that quote when it was uttered.

  24. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    If only we *could* have an old, sick person in the White House. Sitting in bed watching Matlock, not worried about a legacy or anything.

    1. Suthenboy   11 years ago

      Matlock....nice.

  25. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    I can't believe Warren the socialist, fake Cherokee is actually in the conversation.

    1. Sudden   11 years ago

      I actually put her as the odds-on favorite should Hillary chose not to run.

      1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        Oh, I don't doubt that.

        Just like I said Justin Trudeau was gonna become the Liberal party leader after the eulogy to his father he delivered.

        He may very well become PM.

        More empty suits and dresses will be leading our countries.

  26. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    A lot of people are talking about Elizabeth Warren in the sense that, "Elizabeth Warren will never be president."

  27. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Did Matt and Kmele go on their shopping spree?

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      Outlook not so good

  28. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Kennedy (the President, not the host) had all sorts of diseases, but he was fully qualified!

    1. Bam!   11 years ago

      FDR was in a wheelchair.

      1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

        Andrew Jackson got shot in a duel or two. He had one of the bullets in his body for years. He could never get through an airport security checkpoint.

  29. Bam!   11 years ago

    Christie can't read a teleprompter.

    1. Slammer   11 years ago

      Krispy Kreme always sounds so lispy, fucking whiny

    2. Sudden   11 years ago

      But he can read a drive-thru menu...

      1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

        He's too important to drive.

  30. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Who are these guys that, the first time I hear about them, they're running for President?

  31. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    I don't want Christie dragging out the corpse of Reagan. He might start snacking on it.

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      Then he'd have more brains in his stomach than in his head.

  32. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    It's interesting how when I was a teenager, everyone laughed at Reagan. Now they fall over themselves quoting him.

  33. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Who can't do a Kissinger accent?

  34. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    NOWWW MISTUH KRRRISTY, REPEAT AFTUH ME:

    KAAAAAAPET BOM ZEM.

  35. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Since when do the Jews care about Israel?

  36. Lady Bertrum   11 years ago

    Vitality and charisma are so important in politics. Hillary looks fragile and soooo old. She has the charisma of a damp dish rag. If she wins it will be because the Republican candidate is worse and because the media made it happen.

    1. Nooge.   11 years ago

      If she wins it will be because the Repulitards nominated Christie.

  37. Slammer   11 years ago

    Speaking of fat, Hillary is getting a big fat ass too

    1. Lady Bertrum   11 years ago

      getting? Circa 1994.

    2. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

      She'll be like FDR, they'll never show her standing without a podium or crowd to cover her.

      1. Lady Bertrum   11 years ago

        Then they'll never show her from the lower lip down. Have you seen those chins recently?

        1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

          More Chins than a Chinese phone book.

          1. poloniusium   11 years ago

            More chins than Christie?

  38. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    STOP RESISTING... the love.

  39. Bam!   11 years ago

    She read the comments and went looking for emotional support on the street.

  40. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Well who wouldn't want to give Kennedy a hug? It would be more interesting if Matt did that segment.

  41. Nooge.   11 years ago

    chewing on possible weaknesses of two major-party presidential candidates for 2016: Hillary Clinton's age/health, and Chris Christie's hawkishness.

    That's the best you could do with those two?

  42. Warren   11 years ago

    Julian Sanchez is not going to fuck you.

  43. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    That's Julian Sanchez? Then I wonder whose porch light I've been shooting out all this time?

  44. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    The NSA knows that terrorists don't use Mac.

    1. Bam!   11 years ago

      Think different.

  45. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    That's longer than 10 seconds.

  46. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Kinky? Really, Kennedy?

  47. Bam!   11 years ago

    Why is there one guy in that gaggle of real estate brokers?

  48. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    That's it. I'm moving to Belize.

  49. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    It sure is interesting the NSA thinks it will be more effective through mass surveillance...

    WHEN IT CAN"T KEEP A CONTRACTOR FROM WALKING OFF WITH ALL THEIR SECRETS!

  50. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Wow.

    Ugly people.

  51. GILMORE   11 years ago

    The Independents Attire Review, 19 May 2014

    Dark Day-Edition

    - Kennedy: The Izod (and its an *official* one this time, according to the gator) has gone Pink, and we could not be happier. We've already scored the Tinky-Winky (Purple) a shade below the Miami-Vice (Turquoise); we believe the Boca Raton (Pink) here splits the difference. The cherry-red lipstick is a natural go-to; however, with Kennedy's marble-esque complexion combined with my crappy reception it does leave a subliminal impression of 'herpes'(?)

    - Matt: The "New" Tie and Grey Shirt. Despite rumors of The Matt/Kmele shopping spree being premature, Matt has consistently Failed To Fail the last few weeks. He's been sticking to the few 'inoffensive' and easy-wins in his arsenal. If "the beatings will continue until Morale Improves" - then we here sense a genuine improvement in Independents Fashion-Morale.

    - Kmele: DONT CALL IT A COMEBACK The digs go Boom. I'm not going to waste words on what speaks for itself. Also, I need to save room for...

    - Julian Sanchez = ...will also be doing his Magic Act @ Ballys in Atlantic City all week. WTF are those lapels? He's clearly missing pinky rings and a laser-cane. BOW TO GUIDO FROM THE 23RD CENTURY

    Gracias

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      Ok, Kennedy's lipstick is definitely more pink-something...

      I blame any errors here or afterward entirely on FBN's terrible streaming bandwidth

  52. Bam!   11 years ago

    They're trying to combine Kennedy's love for gossip with her job's requirement for political infotainment.

  53. Slammer   11 years ago

    This segment is shit.

  54. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Why is Welch directing that rant in Foster's direction? He doesn't even have kids. (That he knows of.)

  55. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Potholes, Matt?

    You should see the ones here in Montreal.

    Legendary.

    1. RannedPall   11 years ago

      I saw Bourdain go to Montreal on his "parts unknown" series on Netflix, and now... I'd really like to visit Montreal. I don't speak a lick of French though, but I love soccer.

      1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

        I thought you didn't have cable.

        1. RannedPall   11 years ago

          N. E. T. F. L. I. X.

      2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        You can get by in English. Montreal West of St. Laurent is bilingual.

        I presume you're referring to the Impact?

        Hit me up if you ever visit.

  56. Bam!   11 years ago

    Wait, that wasn't the Topical Storm?

    1. Max Power   11 years ago

      The topical storm is just like the rest of the show, but faster!

  57. Suthenboy   11 years ago

    No Francisco tonight? I had a question for him.

    1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

      Ask anyway. I'll email it to him if he doesn't show up.

    2. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      Pretty much only the bottom of the barrel commenting on tonight's show. (But I'm not free to talk; they're reading this right now.)

      1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

        But *I'm* here!

      2. Slammer   11 years ago

        You obviously mean the Independents, RIGHT?

      3. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

        Francisco and kibby are the straws that stir the drink.

        1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

          Solution:
          Shots

  58. poloniusium   11 years ago

    Is this what we'll do when we run out of orphans?

  59. Max Power   11 years ago

    I hate when people take pictures of their pregnant stomachs and post them on the facebook.

  60. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    What about the existing product on the shelf? What about orphanages?

  61. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    So what are the chances she produces so many kids that two of them end up hooking up decades later unaware of who their mom is?

    1. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

      She's not really the "mom" of surrogate children. It isn't incest if they hook up. But it would be pretty weird though.

  62. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

    As a man, pregnancy sex is teh awesome.

  63. poloniusium   11 years ago

    Kmele, damning with faint praise. I guess.

  64. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Who elected Ron Swanson mayor?

  65. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Nice stache!

    Wait, Kmele got to it before I could.

  66. poloniusium   11 years ago

    yeesh, kennedy. Too soon.

  67. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    "Please state the nature of the musical emergency."

  68. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    No one did holograms like Scooby-Doo.

  69. Bam!   11 years ago

    Obama has toothpick legs.

    1. poloniusium   11 years ago

      Not enough squatz.

    2. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

      What do you expect? He's not athletic.

    3. Slammer   11 years ago

      Something about a President in shorts just bugs the fuck out of me.

      1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

        Pantsfan? Did you change your handle?

  70. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

    Welch on fire tonight.

  71. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Kamaylay.

  72. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

    Let's all stutter awkwardly after Matt says something eloquent.

  73. Slammer   11 years ago

    Har-har -har Valerie. Up there with "Predator Drones." huhuhuh

  74. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    At least she's not wearing an alligator shirt.

  75. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

    I wonder what looks more frightening, Valerie Jarrett's face, or her soul.

  76. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

    Tell me more about these boats, Kennedy.

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      Rosebud

      1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

        I was thinking an execution method.

        1. GILMORE   11 years ago

          I think "something about boats" is Independents code-language for "OMG I WAS ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING TOTALLY NOT ALLOWED ON TV"

          something about boats

          1. Army of the 12 Monkeys   11 years ago

            I thought it was a reference back to the "using government to plug my hole" comment during the Santorum interview. Guess we will never know.

          2. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

            Or, the boats.

  77. poloniusium   11 years ago

    Was that a shoutout for scaphism?

  78. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Okay, now that my 4 month old niece woke up I can turn up the volume and actually hear what they are saying.

    It might not improve the show for me.

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      You could improve it by giving your niece a position as host.

      1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

        Gross.

        1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

          What?

          1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

            You want his niece to be a sex symbol? Not cool, bro.

            1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

              That was absolutely not what I was saying - it was about the intelligence level of the questions!

              1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

                Why are you hating on Serious so much lately?

                1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

                  I think you're reading a lot into my comments...I was just making a joke about the quality of the show's hosts being worse than four year olds...

                  If I've been disrespecting him, I certainly apologize, because I meant no such thing!

                  1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

                    Your apology makes me even more suspicious. It's almost like you're planning something.

                    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

                      Sir, have you been drinking?

                    2. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

                      I haven't not been drinking.

  79. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

    I'm positing that Jarrett and Obama plan to be kingmakers/blackmailers in many future elections. Maxine Waters thinks so too.

  80. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Maybe instead of the topical storm, which I'm sure was Kennedy's idea, they could discuss a quote from Bastiat or Spooner or Sowell. Many those quotes are memorable and are good way to introduce libertarian ideas.

  81. Max Power   11 years ago

    Music coming from the commercial was The War On Drugs. clever.

  82. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

    Nerdbilly!

    1. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

      (I can say that, because I'm one too.)

  83. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Massie is totally high right now. He didn't even wait for Kennedy to ask a question.

  84. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Theory: Rand Paul and Thomas Massie are controlled by the same species of alien creature that sits perched atop their head.

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      Tousled Curly-Mop Hair-Creature From Mars politely defers.

      "We're just friends"

  85. poloniusium   11 years ago

    Why don't they just find some ditch weed?

  86. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Hemp isn't dangerous? Tell that to the noose-wearer.

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      You're right - ban it!

    2. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      You're right - ban it!

    3. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      You're right - ban it!

      1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

        Are you a commando clicker?

        1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

          ?

          1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

            Oh, I see, it multi-posted.

  87. GILMORE   11 years ago

    I think Massie got a makeover

    He looks like a grownup now.

    Maybe they evened out that candy-apple effect on his cheeks.

  88. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    The DEA is rogue.

    1. poloniusium   11 years ago

      Dissolve it.

      1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        What major agencies has the U.S dissolved in recent times?

        1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

          Whichever agency tells Obama what's going on in his adminstration.

        2. Max Power   11 years ago

          This ain't Somalia, dude. We don't just dissolve agencies.

        3. Slammer   11 years ago

          Sense of agency

        4. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

          The Libyan chapter of the State Department.

          1. poloniusium   11 years ago

            zing

      2. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

        Preferably in acid.

  89. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    I like to think the terrorists have lost if we go about the business of America: selling shit

  90. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

    Whoa whoa whoa. Massie thinks we need a DEA outlawing coke. Fuck, I thought he was a libertarian. I say keep hemp illegal because it makes the feds look more obviously ridiculous to the "pot is ok, but ban hard drugs" crowd.

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      Um, that sounds like "the worse, the better."

      They've banned hemp for decades - have they been laughed into oblivion yet?

      1. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

        No, you're right, it was just an emotional reaction to finding out how unlibertarian Massie was, as well as drug legalization losing its cool factor, which it will once pot is decriminalized.

        1. poloniusium   11 years ago

          Boy, I sure look forward to the day when I can smoke a blunt and the kids will ride by on their hoverbikes and mock me.

  91. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    So is it bad form to start eating before the guest of honor arrives? Because my dad finished barbecuing ribs and chicken a half hour ago and my brother still hasn't arrived for his own birthday dinner.

    1. Slammer   11 years ago

      I think nibbling is ok. I might be wrong.

    2. Humberto Brenes   11 years ago

      Would he wait for you?

    3. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

      If you have a good spot to hide the bones, go for it. Nothing wrong with sampling the goods.

    4. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Nope.

      My brother showed up 1 hour late this week-end at my house and I told everyone to eat. And we did.

      1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        It was my daughter's birthday.

        Sorry. Missed it was his b-day. I think nibbling as suggested is fine.

        Is this a habit of his?

        1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

          He works two jobs and lives far away by SoCal freeway standards, so his tardiness is understandable.

          I'm just really hungry and this is an hour later than I normally eat dinner.

          1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

            Ah.

            Sounds like he deserves some slack.

            My brother doesn't work two jobs and didn't really have an excuse.

            1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

              And he showed up literally as I hit submit on that last comment.

              Worth the wait.

  92. poloniusium   11 years ago

    It's been 14 years, fuckwit. 14 years.

    1. poloniusium   11 years ago

      12 and half. Whatever.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        I guess time flies... WHEN YOU'RE ENABLING TERRORIST WINNING.

  93. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Katie?

    I have a box of crackers here in bed. Feel free to eat them.

  94. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    There's nothing more American than bauble purchasing.

  95. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Twin Tower-shaped chocolate bars?

    Plane-shaped Zippo lighters?

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      Cotton candy colored black to resemble bin Laden's beard?

      1. Army of the 12 Monkeys   11 years ago

        And View-Master reels of the event. For the kids !

  96. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    President Bush ordered everyone to buy things after 9/11.

  97. Slammer   11 years ago

    Knock-knock

  98. GILMORE   11 years ago

    I don't know what they're complaining about. I got an awesome ashtray @ Auschwitz.

    1. Bam!   11 years ago

      I got a temporary tattoo.

    2. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

      I got scrap metal from Oradour-sur-Glane

    3. GILMORE   11 years ago

      They also had used shoes on sale.

    4. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

      TOO SOON

  99. poloniusium   11 years ago

    This is like the trigger warning bullshit. We can never return to normalcy because some people are delicate flowers.

  100. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    NON-SANCTIONED GRIEVING.

  101. GILMORE   11 years ago

    I also got some really cute night-lights in Hiroshima.

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      I got a Miley Cyrus CD at Bayreuth.

      1. Bobarian   11 years ago

        That is barbaric.

  102. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

    FIST, eh?

  103. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    "Fist of Matt Welch"? What a stupid name.

  104. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Whatever the market will bear.

  105. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Where it's Matt? Is that a play on where it's at?

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      Its not a 'play' on anything. Its a horrible admission of failure and surrender to mediocrity.

  106. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Why don't you just marry Switzerland, Welch?

    1. Bam!   11 years ago

      Because he married France.

  107. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    I offer the following idea to the Nation magazine about the defeat of Switzerland's minimum-wage referendum:

    SWISS MISS!

  108. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Kennedy forgets/ignores Italian. Nice.

  109. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    AH! Lou Dobbs.

    1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

      The server thinks you were first, but we all know the truth.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        Bottom of the barrel? No. That's where the cream rises to the top.

  110. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

    If you are a retard, use the word "Dobbs" in a comment.

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Dobbs said Play Manhattan is a smart guy!

      1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

        I see you are playing 3D chess, sir.

        1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

          What's chess?

          1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

            It's basically checkers, but with less booze.

    2. Slammer   11 years ago

      Dobbs Booooosssshhh CHRISTFAG!

    3. GILMORE   11 years ago

      Not fair

    4. Archduke von Pantsfan   11 years ago

      Everybody do the Dobbs.

    5. SusanM   11 years ago

      A little Dobbs'll do ya

  111. GILMORE   11 years ago

    AHH! SHE SAID DOBBS!!! DOBBS!

  112. Atanarjuat   11 years ago

    You can charge the government of China? Who is expected to show up to the arraignment?

    1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

      No worries. The Chinese will show up, but they need time to line up 4 across and march past a point.

  113. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Several tasteless ideas for the 9/11 museum:

    A photo-op cut out of the hijackers

    A ring toss game featuring the twin towers

    A jumbo jet log flume ride

    A spot the box-cutters game with a real x-ray machine

    1. poloniusium   11 years ago

      Hijacker targets.
      Knife fighting manual.
      Instructions on how to cower properly.

      You said tasteless.

  114. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    AFTERHOURS WEBSITE FAILURE

  115. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    No, wait. There it is.

    1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

      I got the detroit show

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        Did you click the "Watch Live" link?

        1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

          I did now. I was totally going to figure that out.

  116. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Yeah dude, we saw the movie X as well.

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      Great minds think alike!

    2. GILMORE   11 years ago

      I like how Basil explained how he admired Malcolm X without saying anything about Malcolm X but just reciting biographical facts.

      Because he's a *pussy*. Come on man, say something you actually MEAN

  117. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Yeah, I saw the movie, too.

  118. Archduke von Pantsfan   11 years ago

    The Habs have work to do here in the 3rd.

    1. poloniusium   11 years ago

      AHH, the hockey horde has hit HnR.

    2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Did you see Cherry offer his take on Lucic?

      1. Archduke von Pantsfan   11 years ago

        I never watch him. What did he say? How Lucic was misunderstood?

        1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

          No, he didn't condone it but he pointed out Markov actually started by saying something.

  119. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Are they trying to get me to turn this thing off?

  120. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Oh wow, Tu Quoqe from a liberal?! Will wonders never cease?

  121. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    The Christian Farrakhan is probably some guy in the Lord's Resistance Army

  122. Archduke von Pantsfan   11 years ago

    hey Thailand, chill.

  123. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    I'll let Matt in on a secret...European Catholics have some history of commercialism...I don't think I'm telling tales out of school.

    1. ...   11 years ago

      Do you ever get tired of being so predictably boring? The rest of us are certainly tired of you, and have been for quite some time.

      HE LOOK YOU'RE A FUCKING CATHOLIC!!!! We get it, now maybe shut the fuck about it for one moment.

      1. poloniusium   11 years ago

        Look, a sockpuppet saying shitty things.

        1. ...   11 years ago

          That's quite an admission.

  124. GILMORE   11 years ago

    I just have to repeat.

    Damn, Kmele The jacket/tie kills.

  125. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    The panelists are shutting up when the Indies are talking about state use of force to further either party's ends.

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      yeah, you noticed?

      they even laughed about it, since neither would dare have anything bad to say about State Power.

      I don't recall where they fell on 'hemp'? or that was without them, right?

  126. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Matt actually touches on interesting topic of how both GOP and DEMS use holy-roller morals to justify impositions by the state.

    of course, things like this will never make it on the 'real show'

  127. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Fox is like some governor with a liberal pardon policy - never letting Kennedy finish a sentence!

    1. Winston   11 years ago

      Fox always knows how to silence Kennedys.

  128. Winston   11 years ago

    I'm still pissed at the NHL for giving Eddie Livingstone the Donald Sterling treatment and for killing off the Wanderers and Maroons.

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      What a Maroon!

      1. Winston   11 years ago

        You Montreal Anglos should support the Leafs, not the French team. I mean the Leafs will finally win the cup, eventually....soon...in the next 50 years....before the Cubs win another World Series....before the Sun becomes a Red Giant....

        1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

          An Irishman founded the Habs - Ambrose O'Brien and later George Kennedy.

          I don't support the Habs anymore. Not as long as they keep playing politics with their hiring practices.

          1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

            For the record, I'm not Anglo or Franco. I'm just an English-speaking Canadian who lives in Quebec who happens to speak three languages. They label us 'Allophones.' Stupid terms they come up with.

  129. Archduke von Pantsfan   11 years ago

    most people don't understand economics.

    1. Winston   11 years ago

      So water is wet?

    2. Rich   11 years ago

      Krugman ... : the economy is like a bicycle, and you just have to keep it moving forward.

      The Official Paul Krugman Web Page

      The guy's middle name is Robin, and he has been married twice -- both times to women named Robin. Weird, eh?

  130. Winston   11 years ago

    Hey Pantsfan did you know that Douglas Rain, the voice of HAL 9000 was born in Winnipeg?

    I also caught a film of Oedipus Rex with Rain and William Shatner among the cast.

    1. Archduke von Pantsfan   11 years ago

      How does he not have a street named after him yet?

      1. Winston   11 years ago

        He's alive and hasn't paid up?

    2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      So is Winne the Pooh.

      1. Archduke von Pantsfan   11 years ago

        So was James Bond.

      2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        i

  131. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

    Did you guys hear about the Kentucky Fried Chicken promotional bucket of Hilary Clinton chicken?

    It has 2 fatty thighs and 2 left wings.

    *ducks*

    1. Winston   11 years ago

      Is the tagline "What Difference, at this point, does it make?"

    2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Yikes!

    3. Sevo   11 years ago

      http://instantrimshot.com/

      1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

        You're right. Accidental jokes are much funnier.
        Like implying that you furiously masturbate to Willy Brown.

        *Drops mic in pitcher of beer*

        1. Sevo   11 years ago

          "Like implying that you furiously masturbate to Willy Brown."

          Yep, that was the implication.

          1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

            Jury's still out.

  132. Archduke von Pantsfan   11 years ago

    UK department store shocks with 12 Years A Slave display mannequins

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      At least they didn't arrest the management. Yet.

      1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

        Though frankly, I was expecting something more offensive, like the mannequin playing the banjo while eating a watermelon.

        1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

          And saying, "pardon me, my good man, can you direct me to the white women?"

          1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

            Get your quotes right.

  133. Sevo   11 years ago

    So what sort of seconds did the Swiss demolition of M/W get? Who argued which side?

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      A guy from Occupien Zurich, who just finished a 10-day sit-in in a bank vault, was on the show to defend a minimum wage hike.

      1. Sevo   11 years ago

        "A guy from Occupien Zurich..."

        Ruas! Snell!

      2. Winston   11 years ago

        You Know Who Else wanted to occupy Zurich?

  134. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Russian oligarch ordered to pay out $2.7 billion in divorce settlement

    So, you know, your divorce could always be worse.

    1. Archduke von Pantsfan   11 years ago

      Hah.
      He's doing it wrong.

  135. Winston   11 years ago

    Huh it looks like Shriek finally went too far with a post of his edited and a bunch of posts deleted.

    1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

      Where?

      1. Winston   11 years ago

        http://reason.com/blog/2014/05.....nt_4521772

        Seems he went full Warty.

        1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

          You never go full Warty.

          1. Winston   11 years ago

            I don't want to get in trouble but did you see it?

          2. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

            Yo. Johnny come lately.

            1. Tman   11 years ago

              Had to happen eventually. Shriek had been the poster child for flailing irrelevancy for the last couple years. Sooner or later the inner tulpa/mary/tony/mng had to come out.

              I will never understand why people go full sockpuppet.

              Jesus people, it's the fucking internet. Get over yourself.

            2. Raven Nation   11 years ago

              Thanks for the reply on Sloopy & Banjos this morning.

  136. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

    Independent Lens just came on, and it looks to be very interesting...

  137. BenP   11 years ago

    Kennedy finally admits that it is strange to have a last name for a first name but triumphs nonetheless due to her sharp wit and intellectual humor. Actually quite a good debate with wit and shameless poking fun at obvious non common sense issues.

    The entire base issue in this show was something very mundane from an uneducated observance or acutely attuned to the pulse of the populace.

    Would you agree that the government can kill you at any time for any reason because they said that they had done a complete investigation and had no doubt that you were a danger to other Americans without due process?

    Interesting how Democrats and Obama would gladly with premeditation murder others while making it illegal for others to consider them as the target and expendable.

    The truly unknown story to an uneducated public is why Rand Paul would filibuster (as best as possible - no its impossible under Harry Reid's nuclear option) the man that is a "shoe-in" for appointment to a high judicial court appointment over what he wrote as "justification" or legal opinion for POTUS or stated more easily seen as "justifiable deniability" for the President as to how the government can kill any citizen without due process based solely upon the Executive branch's decision - wait no, based solely upon Barack Hussein Obama's decision as American "god". A citizen now lives at the mercy of the "god" of America...how sad for the world.

    And Atlas Shrugged.

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