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Politics

Tonight on The Independents: Rep. Thomas Massie, #KrystallBallBookClub, Lewinsky 2014, Paul/Udall Drone-Block, Climate vs. Weather, Net Neutrality, and Sexy After-Show!

Matt Welch | 5.6.2014 8:35 PM

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Tonight on The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT), Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Kentucky) will make his third appearance on the program, this time to talk about the important issue of…milk freedom! Specifically, the "Milk Freedom Act of 2014" and the "Interstate Milk Freedom Act of 2014," bills co-sponsored by Massie and a bipartisan group of 18 other lawmakers that would

provide relief to local farmers, small producers, and others who have been harassed, fined, and in some cases even prosecuted for the "crime" of distributing unpasteurized milk…[and] would prohibit the federal government from interfering with the interstate traffic of raw milk products. […]

[and] prevent the federal government from interfering with trade of unpasteurized, natural milk or milk products between states where distribution or sale of such products is already legal.

You read about these bills first here at Reason.com, of course.

The eclectic Party Panel tonight is composed of Russell Simmons's Political Director Michael Skolnik and former Michigan congressman Thaddeus McCotter, who will talk about: A) the return of Monica Lewinsky. B) the hold threat by Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) and Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) on the nomination of proposed 1st Circuit Court judge David Barron, due to Barron's reported authorship of a memo providing legal support to the administration's extra-judicial assassination of Anwar al-Awlaki. C) President Barack Obama's big new report linking climate change to weather patterns. And D) Rick Santorum's comments yesterday that Republicans ain't no libertarians.

The co-hosts will discuss the awful mass kidnapping of girls in Nigeria, and also the far more humorous case of MSNBC host Krystal Ball doubling down on her recent insistence that George Orwell's Animal Farm is a parable

where a bunch of pigs hog up all the economic resources, tell the animals they need the food because they're the makers and then scare up a prospect of a phony boogie man every time their greed is challenged

Ball's response to critics?

In fact, if you read Animal Farm today, it seems to warn not of some now non-existent communist threat but of the power concentrated in the hands of the wealthy elites and corporations. The pigs cast themselves as Mitt Romney-style makers; they built it and deserve the rewards. The farm animals outside the elite pig circle are left to suffer and toil, working all day with little to show for it and with retirement always just out of reach. There is, at least at first, a theoretical political process, but the pigs rig it so that they always get their way. Napoleon and Snowball even have a brilliant propagandist named Squealer, a Frank Luntz of Karl Rove type who convinces the animals that things are so much better under their benevolent rule that giving the pigs more tax cuts — I mean more food — is in everyone's best interest.

This has triggered a pretty funny #KrstyalBallBookClub outburst on Twitter, from which we'll be reading.

Kmele Foster will be Keepin' it Kmele over the issue of Net Neutrality, then the after-show will start at 10 p.m. on foxbusiness.com/independents. Follow The Independents on Facebook at facebook.com/IndependentsFBN; follow on Twitter @ independentsFBN, (Tweet out during the show and we might use your wit). Click on this page for more video of past segments.

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  1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    I call for a show down with Matt to see who speaks better French.

  2. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    In all seriousness, this begs for coverage in some magazine or even TV show:

    At Valley Catholic High School in Oregon, Phil McQueen is retiring. He taught history and did Civil War re-enactments, like this one recently:

    "Karina Jaroch carefully adds gun powder to her musket after learning how to do it safely."

    http://photos.oregonlive.com/b.....ent_3.html

    And here are some students firing their muskets:

    http://photos.oregonlive.com/b.....ent_2.html

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      Now, the teacher took the precaution of warning the cops in advance.

      And the students are using blanks.

      http://www.oregonlive.com/beav....._fire.html

    2. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Top Men allow this?

  3. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Russell Simmons needs a 'political director'?

    Because "Def Poetry Slam" is something that affects all Americans.

    I am unsure whether Thomas Massie's nickname should be:

    - "Low-Mass" (because he seems small)
    - "Frodo" (because... well, see 'Low Mass'...also, he looks 12)
    - "Mini-Rand"

    Discuss.

    1. Hyperion   11 years ago

      If he would blow some doobz on air or something radical, we could call him 'Mass Effect'.

      But as it is, I'm drawing a blank. Anyway, this is one of those things that happens spontaneously, you can't get come up with these things whenever you want!

    2. Ted S.   11 years ago

      I am unsure whether Thomas Massie's nickname should be:

      I say we call him Raymond. 🙂

  4. Max Power   11 years ago

    Krystal Ball isn't a real name, right? That's the name my wife made up for her character in the Rock Band video game.

    1. Carl ?s his privilege   11 years ago

      My friend had an English teacher whose maiden name was Crystal Starr.

      1. Sevo   11 years ago

        And it really was Blossom Dearie.

        1. Sevo   11 years ago

          But it wasn't Ish Kabibble

    2. Redmanfms   11 years ago

      Krystal Ball isn't a real name, right?

      No, she's real. She ran for Congress in my state several years ago, she wasn't in my district but because some contrived controversy over a costume party or something lead me to investigate her political positions. Some of them really weren't all that bad. She then went on Red Eye with some regularity in (IIRC) 2011-2012.

      She has gotten progressively (hehe) more unhinged lunatic fringe lefty as the years have worn on.

      1. Christophe   11 years ago

        I think it's just the mask slipping.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    In fact, if you read Animal Farm today, it seems to warn not of some now non-existent communist threat but of the power concentrated in the hands of the wealthy elites and corporations.

    Some animals are more moronic than others.

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Don't you know? Machiavelli didn't write the The Prince for Lorenzo de Medici. He, in fact, "seemed" to be writing it for Barack Obama.

    2. Episiarch   11 years ago

      In fact, if you read even the slightest bit of Orwell's history today, it's super fucking obvious that Animal Farm grew out of his experiences in Barcelona. You know, with communists.

      1. kibby   11 years ago

        Yeah but how does that make you FEEL, Epi? That's all that matters!

        1. Episiarch   11 years ago

          I think it makes me feel like having some bacon. Because some animals ARE more equal than others. At least when it comes to tastiness.

        2. Ted S.   11 years ago

          It makes him feel his mother.

          Oh, you asked him how it makes him feel, not who.

      2. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

        Orwell was indeed a socialist, just one that hated totalitarian communism and preferred the democratic variety.

        1984 certainly portrays government as being far more efficient than it ever could possibly be.

        The end result of full-on proggesivism and socialism espoused by people like Ball is more likely to be Kafka than Orwell.

    3. Raven Nation   11 years ago

      In fact, if you read Animal Farm today

      I'm guessing the last word is the key one. Some Lit Crit people argue that anything written can have multiple meanings include some which the author never thought of and which, may, be the opposite of what the author intended.

      1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        How convenient.

        And typically left-wing.

      2. Jumbie   11 years ago

        Relevant XKCD

        http://xkcd.com/451/

        1. Raven Nation   11 years ago

          Awesome!

        2. Corning   11 years ago

          Holy fuck!!

          I read just the one comic linked and didn't spend 4 hours reading every god damn comic on the site.

          I am very proud of myself today.

  6. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Oh, also =

    MSNBC has a host named 'Krystal Ball'??

    And she's not like, an ex-porn star?

    And she has the reading skills of a 6th grader?

    That must make a lot of viewers feel smart.

    1. Max Power   11 years ago

      She should be starring in a movie with Buck Sexton.

  7. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    So, I was reminded of this clip after watching the college "debate" champions:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7dPprbzNSc

  8. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    1984: an epic story of one man's journey from rebelling against his government to learning to love it.

    1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

      Work something in there about "government is all of us together."

  9. Max Power   11 years ago

    The Old Man and the Sea: An old man is forced to fish for sustenance because of draconian cuts to social security.

    1. Sudden   11 years ago

      Well done. Staying on the Hemingway theme:

      A Farewell to Arms: One man's harrowing journey of getting the second amendment repealed after losing his daughter to a school shooting.

      1. Pro Libertate   11 years ago

        The Sun Also Rises: A man's journey to womanhood.

  10. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!

    1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7PaxfmB5ys

  11. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Atlas Shrugged: The heroic struggle of compassionate civil servant Wesley Mouch and his attempts to save the world from the evil capitalists that have sabotaged the economy with their selfish hoarding.

    1. Episiarch   11 years ago

      Harrison Bergeron: One teenage boy's struggle to fit in with his peers.

      1. Tman   11 years ago

        The Guns of Navarone: A German Soldiers struggle to keep the mountain safe.

        1. Sudden   11 years ago

          War and Peace: A comparison between the regime of the evil McBusHitlerChimp and his savage wars of conquest and Saint Obama (PBUH) and his humanitarian campaign to give everyone in the world a unicorn that defecates rainbows and cotton candy.

  12. Hyperion   11 years ago

    I know why they're having Massie on again. He's the only libertarian who can make Matthew NOT look too nerdy.

  13. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    The Wizard of Oz: An evil witch blocks the agenda of the benevolent Wizard by spreading rumors that he's a fake.

  14. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Fahrenheit 451: Dastardly Republicans are burning books, but one of the them will have a change of heart.

  15. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    The Grapes of Wrath- uh, I'm drawing a blank on how to put a more leftist spin on this one.

  16. GILMORE   11 years ago

    The Gulag Archipelago: A man learns to confront his shortcomings and become a better neighbor in his community

    1. Sudden   11 years ago

      Preface by Hillary Clinton entitled "It Takes a Gulag"

  17. Hyperion   11 years ago

    Hey, I thought we get to vote on what the next discussions are? Where is the vote!?

    1. Ted S.   11 years ago

      Bitch about it enough, and you might get mentioned in the next Two Minutes' Hate.

  18. Hyperion   11 years ago

    Also, when are we having Sweater Vest and Rand Paul on at the same time?

  19. GILMORE   11 years ago

    The Trial: A legal drama that reveals how despite efforts to escape justice that The System Works for everyone.

    1. Sudden   11 years ago

      12 Angry Men: A story of twelve men whose acquittal of one of our brave heros of the Fullerton Police Department paved the way for a better world.

  20. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Travels with Charley- a 100% factual travelogue

    1. Irish   11 years ago

      Travels with Charley- a 100% factual travelogue

      ...Bill Steigerwald?

  21. Pro Libertate   11 years ago

    Dune: A boy and his pet worm deal with the evils of capitalism by imposing democratic rule.

  22. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Darkness at Noon: an innocent man languishes in the debtor's prison that will be brought back if Republicans retake the Senate and White House

  23. GILMORE   11 years ago

    As I Lay Dying: A hilarious comedy about ignorant country people and their amusing simplicity, and how they'd be far better off with National Healthcare

  24. Episiarch   11 years ago

    Flowers for Algernon: One man's story on learning how to be retarded...again.

    1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

      Curse your speedy fingers!

  25. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Prediction: Dreamcatchers.

  26. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Flowers for Algernon- Why adult learners need Common Core

  27. Hyperion   11 years ago

    My gawd, Cavuto has the worst voice of all time.

  28. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Uh Kennedy, there's something on your ears

  29. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Good Lord, is that a lacoste?

  30. GILMORE   11 years ago

    All the Kings Men: An inspiring story about how an honest and sincere 'Grassroots' activist overcomes Big Money Politics

  31. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    What business is Kmele in?

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      Would this be it?

      http://freethinkmedia.com/

  32. Max Power   11 years ago

    A Farewell To Arms: The heroic struggle of gun control advocates to enact common sense regulations.

  33. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

    Homage to Catalonia - Patriots bring order to chaotic Spain in spite of efforts of wreckers and anarchists.

  34. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    That is 100% accurate. So she is being pretty incisive on that point.

  35. GILMORE   11 years ago

    More proof the internet is making us stupider.

  36. BigT   11 years ago

    Kmele = Dwayne Wade

  37. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    ARMAGGEDON WAS MADE IN 1998!!!

    1. Bobarian   11 years ago

      Thus...

      Stupidest Year Evah!

  38. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Blood Meridian or the Evening Redness in the West: California Congresswoman Sandra Fluke takes a heroic stand in favor of government subsidized tampons

    1. Max Power   11 years ago

      Alright, that made me laugh.

    2. Sudden   11 years ago

      *slow clap*

      There's a lot of good here, but you've done bested them all.

  39. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Those who can't legally vote vote Democrat.

  40. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    David Copperfield- A horrifying tale of how the decked is stacked against the urban poor

  41. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    This skeleton is not really in the closet.

  42. BigT   11 years ago

    In private industry it's sexual harassment.

  43. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    They've officially spent more time on this than on the Federal Reserve.

  44. Max Power   11 years ago

    The Road: In a dystopian future of libertarian rule, one man struggles to construct a road.

    1. Hyperion   11 years ago

      Does he try to free some orphans from a monocle factory as a side quest?

      1. Max Power   11 years ago

        Yes, he comes across a home where partially dismembered orphans are stored alive in the basement, to be eaten later by a capitalist.

      2. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

        The Road II

        1. Hyperion   11 years ago

          I'm started to like this road series.

  45. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    There's no stopping anyone from getting confirmed to appointment, apparently.

  46. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Kennedy, do those things hurt your earlobes?

  47. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    20,000 Leagues Beneath the Sea- 3 heroes fight to stop a selfish sea captain from harming ocean life.

  48. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    Secret orders to kill an American with a death robot? Fake scandal!

  49. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Bad precedent. Unconstitutional. Tomato. Tomahto.

  50. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest: A nurse's struggle to comfort and heal a deranged psycopath

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Wealth of Nations: Is really about the poverty nations caused by capitalism rigged by visible hands.

      1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        God, I can't even do that right.

        Wealth of Nations: Is really about the poverty OF nations caused by capitalism rigged with visible hands.

  51. GILMORE   11 years ago

    My livestream is so bad I get like 1 minute out of every 4.

    WTF. I get HD Game of Thrones OK, but the Indys is all jacked up.

    1. Ted S.   11 years ago

      More people want to watch The Independents compared to Game of Thrones? 😉

  52. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Dear Kennedy,

    Calling grown men 'adorable' is very insulting.

    1. kibby   11 years ago

      Oops. Wish you'd told me this earlier!

      1. GILMORE   11 years ago

        Its a general thing about Men = you can say nasty and mocking shit to their faces all you want... and its just 'ball busting'

        ....but "condescendingly *nice*"? is offensively Matronizing. Its treating adult men like children. Which is one way to piss a guy the fuck off very fast.

        1. Tejicano   11 years ago

          I know I have a bad attitude about this but that's how it works with me.

          I am an adult, Hell, I'm a Marine, and I have paid my own way since I was 17, put myself through two pretty good schools, built cars, houses, guns, and am raising a couple neat kids. Anybody who makes nasty or mocking remarks to my face has devalued themself in my eyes to the level of a cockroach. Nothing can tick me off more.

        2. Corning   11 years ago

          A lady at the store i buy smokes at calls me "dear". I know she means well and i think she might even have a crush on me.

          Still I hate the fuck out of her when she says it.

      2. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

        It's okay darling, I know you are making an objective statement of fact when you call me that.

    2. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      Some of us are adorable. The truth is never an insult. Except when about dick size. It's on record that it was very cold that night.

      1. Ted S.   11 years ago

        Somebody adores you? Well, I guess there's a fetish for everything.

      2. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

        No, FoE, we TOLD you to measure from on the top not from the balls.

        1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

          I don't measure my own cock. That's what Ernesto my Filipino manservant is for.

      3. Sudden   11 years ago

        Blame cocaine. Always blame cocaine.

        (hides before playa castigates me for exceeding my cocaine comment quota)

  53. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Wuthering Heights: Lovers are thwarted by poor infrastructure and climate change.

  54. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

    He wants to let you take milk, raw, to the face!?

    1. Ted S.   11 years ago

      I'll just leave the Google search results, and not link directly to any of the results

  55. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    How did the pigs figure out how to milk the cows anyway? That book was totally unrealistic.

  56. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Does the FDA have a SWAT team?

    1. kibby   11 years ago

      Would anything surprise you at this point?

      1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

        Peak Retard.

  57. Hyperion   11 years ago

    Who is this Massie dude? First, raw milk, and then... RAW MILK IS A GATE WAY FOOD!!! THE HARD STUFF IS NEXT!

  58. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Do we need 'new laws' to give us "milk freedom", or can't we just undo the shit that gets the Feds up in our piece in the first place?

    1. Hyperion   11 years ago

      Apparently, no rights are assumed anymore, and now we need some new laws to decide how many times a day we can take a piss, if at all.

    2. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

      Proposal: Jubilee years where congressmen and department heads are forced at gunpoint to cut as many laws and regulations as possible.

      1. Tejicano   11 years ago

        Heck, just make it a requirement that they have to repeal 2 laws/regulations in kind for enery one they add. Do that until random people on any part of the globe are awestruck at how free the US has become.

        1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

          Or, their pay goes down when they pass a law, but goes up when they repeal one.

  59. Ted S.   11 years ago

    Psycho: the virtues of helicoter parenting

  60. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Is the curly hair going to become a thing?

    1. Hyperion   11 years ago

      It will be known as 'The Rand', and will be all the craze.

      1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

        I'll need to get a perm.

        Of course, I'll need to grow some hair first.

        1. Hyperion   11 years ago

          Ted S has your solution.

      2. Jumbie   11 years ago

        Pube to head transplants?

    2. Ted S.   11 years ago

      That's what wigs are for.

  61. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    The Congressman just gave them an idea.

  62. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Can we talk about the elephant in the room? This is not a live episode. Apparently they can shove down our pieholes any old warmed-over thing from the cupboard.

    1. BigT   11 years ago

      Must be today - Monica

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        I see < i The Independents has dispatched their apologists.

  63. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Seinfeld: A show about everything.

  64. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Heart of Darkness: A white man uses multicultural skills to build positive relationships with African tribes.

  65. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    A Confederacy of Dunces: The key to ensuring a victorious Democratic coalition for Hillary's 2016 run

  66. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    So if your computer is old enough to have XP, enjoy the added resource burden of this spyware.

  67. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    It's always the government's fault, isn't it, Foster?

  68. Hyperion   11 years ago

    We should send Lurch to save the Nigerian slave girls. No one else can do it.

  69. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Is that a brooch?

    1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

      A pterodactyl.

  70. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Sex slavery isn't OK in Islam? Well, I'm sure Kennedy knows far more about Islam than people who are willing to kill for it.

    1. Virginian   11 years ago

      Last I checked there were 3 or 4 Quranic verses allowing slavery.

  71. Pro Libertate   11 years ago

    Schindler's List: A story of a capitalist who uses slave labor.

    1. Sudden   11 years ago

      The Birth of a Nation Heroic free Africans sail to the U.S. to help backwoods country bumpkins create a thriving economy and modern multicultural utopia.

  72. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    When is a production assistant going to fix Welch's tie?

  73. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Game of Thrones: a brutal critique of "family values" and building a giant wall to keep foreigners out

  74. GILMORE   11 years ago

    The Independents Attire Review, 6 May 2014

    "Oh, The Humanity!"-Edition

    - Kennedy: Izod has now come full circle from being a yuppie staple, to a snarky hipster brand, back to being conservatively-snappy. We always approve of Kennedy in bright colors, and the blue here fits within the Miami Vice spectrum that likes her best. The appropriately Stark Pink lipstick seals the deal. Hotness.

    - Matt: As of yet we see no evidence of the alleged "weekend shopping-trip" with fashion-guide Kmele. (although everyone agrees this would make an excellent Montage). Tonight we get what is in my view Matt's 'second best' duds (the grey shirt with his new Blue grey/white stripe tie), a follow on from last nights '#1 Suit'. If he goes the full week without breaking the Bad Taste Barrier we will have set a milestone. Don't get your hopes up people, but he's on a roll.

    - Kmele: He tends to alternate his conservative/casual looks, and tonight we get what I like to call my Formula Favorite = a navy blazer, oxford shirt, and a wonderfully subtle and well-matched tie (the ribbon-striped thing here being a new one). He always tightens up the whole package with the hanky and lapel device, demonstrating Professional-level mastery of this look. We say it regularly = Men, take note. This is how we do it

    Thank You

  75. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    So Kennedy is a racist?

  76. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Kennedy at her interrupty-domineering best there.

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Yeah, she's just not beinf nuanced enough to accept though she may be informed she's not an expert. She should let people speak and let it flow.

      But we dream.

  77. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Deadliest Catch: A show about saving crabs from the ocean.

  78. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    The Hound of the Baskervilles: Animal cruelty in an impoverished village

  79. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    The Lord of the Rings: a parable about the great economic benefit of centralizing power in the hands of the right Top Man.

    1. Corning   11 years ago

      Actually I have a theory that Gandalf is a villain.

      He manipulates the power structure of the world and withholds help (Giant eagles) which often results in the deaths of good men simply so he can set the world as he wishes it.

      I am not saying Sauron is the hero...only that Gandalf is the villain that ended up winning.

      Where the hell is he when Frodo and the hobbit lands are in dire need of his help? Nowhere I guess. Not as if he gives a shit when his brother angel is raping the place.

  80. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    You mean they weren't really monks??? What a gyp.

  81. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    To Kill a Mockingbird: A young girl feels ostracized by her eccentric father

  82. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Dante's Inferno: When you read between the lines is all about heaven.

  83. GILMORE   11 years ago

    American Psycho: A true-life memoir of how Wall Street businessmen entertain themselves by murdering poor people and raping/dismembering women

  84. kibby   11 years ago

    Because kids don't have alcohol sitting in their parents' fridge or anything.

    1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

      kibby and Kmele, on the same wavelength.

      1. kibby   11 years ago

        I feel so special because of that.

  85. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    I'm ashamed of being a Pennsylvanian.

    1. Hyperion   11 years ago

      I'm starting to feel better about living in MD. Thanks, PA!

  86. SweatingGin   11 years ago

    Degenerate drunks, you say?

  87. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    As a kid on my paper route, a state store owner gave me rum-filled candy for Christmas one year. HOW SAFE WAS THAT?

  88. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    That ad seems like it belongs in 1954.

    1. Hyperion   11 years ago

      More like 1934.

    2. kibby   11 years ago

      Except the women aren't having their conversation in the kitchen.

      1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

        And they were wearing shoes.

        1. kibby   11 years ago

          I am ashamed to have forgotten this key detail.

          1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

            GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN

            1. kibby   11 years ago

              I'm very glad you don't have a food taster.

              1. Sudden   11 years ago

                He's spent the past few years developing an immunity to iocaine powder.

                I've spent the past few years developing a tolerance to -aine powder.

  89. Hyperion   11 years ago

    Good grief, do those women in the commercial have any idea how absolutely ridiculous they sound?

  90. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Into The Wild: A heartwarming story of a man connecting with nature.

  91. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    How is this not terrorism?

  92. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    What judge is going to side with a widow against the coppers?

  93. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    On the Road: A young man struggles to settle down and overcome his addictions

    1. lap83   11 years ago

      That implies too much personal responsibility, which is a known teathuglican plot.
      How about: A young man struggles to settle down and blame his addictions on Bush.

  94. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    I'll vilify all cops. They tolerate this bullshit. Fuck. Them. All.

  95. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Moby Dick: Right-Wing Conservatives who enjoy killing whales

  96. Hyperion   11 years ago

    Ahahhaaa, Hitlary is sooo funny, *barf*.

    1. Hyperion   11 years ago

      Rand will mop the floor with that old bag during the general campaign, which is why the GOP will never let him get the nomination, they love them some neocon hildebeast.

      1. Tejicano   11 years ago

        /\/\THIS/\/\

        I know in my heart that I will rue the day when the stupid party pulls the next worthless looser out of its ass to run in 2016. It will be somebody who they can barely agree on themselves - which should be a clear signal that nobody outside their party has any interest in him. Why don't they just nominate Hitlery too and get it over with?

        1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

          This is easily fixed.

          Rand just says that he WILL be running for president and will until he either wins or loses as the republican nominee. I'm guessing their tune may change.

          1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

            My concern about Rand is that he's another green Senator. I prefer candidates with more management experience. I still say: Scott Walker/Rand Paul 2016.

            1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

              I'll take my chances with the inexperienced "nearly" libertarian over anything the establishment is going to put forward.

            2. Virginian   11 years ago

              If Walker focused like a laser on slaying pubsec unions and general fiscal conservatism, I could support him. I'm hoping (don't know anything about him) that he wouldn't be tempted to indulge in either SoCon nuttery or foreign adventurism.

              1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

                Walker doesn't seem like much of a socon or warmonger to me. I like the fiscal conservatism and the neutering of the public unions, and the fact that he won in progressive-homeland Wisconsin, twice.

  97. GILMORE   11 years ago

    The Scarlet Letter: Right-Wing Religious Conservatives who hate women

  98. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Last of the Mohicans: How the Right-Wing killed all the Indians

  99. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Catch-22: A soldier builds character and learns the value of authority

  100. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Bartleby the Scrivener: the story of the original Occupy Wall Street protester.

  101. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    All evidence to the contrary.

  102. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Haven't we lapped Global Warming already?

  103. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Lord of the Flies: Everything would have worked out fine but Simon was selfish and not a team player

    1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

      Curse your speedy fingers!

    2. Sudden   11 years ago

      Some piggies are more equal than others.

  104. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Lord of the Flies: children are subjected to the terrors of small govt

  105. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    THE FUCKING SCIENCE IS SETTLED.

  106. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    So immediately we have a panelist doing exactly what they were decrying.

  107. Hyperion   11 years ago

    Pocahontas How the first princess of the land was raped by a white devil and the story of how her great, great, great granddaughter, White Squaw Warren, is carrying on the fight in her name to finally end the patriarchy.

  108. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Kmele being authoritative here. I like it.

  109. Sudden   11 years ago

    Memoirs For My Father: Pretty much the bible

  110. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    That's bullshit. You throw enough tax money at anything and it's almost solved with just a little more.

  111. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    The Hunt for Red October: Soviet sailors serve their country with pride and outwit Yankee imperialists

  112. SweatingGin   11 years ago

    I've considered, from time to time, shaving my head. Mostly in the event I was to start to go bald.

    I don't, because I assume my head would look weird.

    This guy on the panel really said to himself, "I want to look like Pyle in Full Metal Jacket"

  113. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Wanna bet?

  114. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    No Country for Old Men: Because the GOP cut Social Security and they all starved to death in the streets

  115. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Ahem.

  116. Sudden   11 years ago

    Mein Kampf: One man's journey to create a centrally planned economy, provide affordable housing and industrial scale plumbing for the local Jewish population, and ban smoking.

    1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

      The Audacity of Heil

      Screams from My Father

  117. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    All Quiet on the Western Front: Brave BLM agents fight for their lives against a violent, senile racist and his army of vigilantes

  118. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Yellow-tie guy is a douche and wants to water things down

  119. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    The Idiot: A story about George W. Bush.

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      Nice

  120. Hyperion   11 years ago

    Sweater Vest!

    The Republican Party is not a libertarian party, it's a conservative stupid party, and it's not going to elect a libertarian, it's going to elect a conservative another blue state prog lite.

    FIFY, asshole!

  121. GILMORE   11 years ago

    "lets not fight while I shit all over your side of the party"

  122. Sudden   11 years ago

    Cloud Atlas: A thrilling time-warp that juxtaposes the hellish nightmare of Industrial Capitalism with the happy future of social justice and egalitarianism.

    1. Corning   11 years ago

      What the hell is that book about?

  123. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    No one Santorum knows voted for sodomy.

    1. Sevo   11 years ago

      'Cept maybe his wife...

  124. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Treasure Island: A young Democrat and his friends voyage to an island to claim back the ill-gotten wealth of some 1%rs stashed in an offshore bank account

  125. Hyperion   11 years ago

    Idiocracy: A prophetic vision of the coming Obama administration.

  126. Sudden   11 years ago

    Old Yeller: A story about a dedicated public servant and true American hero who fights the monsters of the world by killing the family pets of octogenerian widows during no-knock raids.

  127. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    To Hell And Back: My trip outside the Beltway to visit the hicks in flyover country

    1. Sudden   11 years ago

      The Hobbit: A story about Dennis Kucinich

      1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

        Cast Robert Reich as Gollum and I think you might have something.

  128. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Matt needs to let loose like that much more often

  129. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    The Catcher in the Rye: a happy, popular teen is torn between his love of organic farming and baseball

  130. kibby   11 years ago

    Oh, my...yelling Matt.

  131. Sudden   11 years ago

    50 Shades of Grey: A story about the PATRIARCHY and RAPE KULTURE and MALE GAZE!

    1. lap83   11 years ago

      and how feminists secretly fetishize it

  132. BigT   11 years ago

    A Modest Proposal - Tory epicurean holiday

  133. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Romeo and Juliet: teens learn the value of abstinence and non-violence

  134. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    A series of tubes getting tied!

  135. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    And here with Kennedy keeping her cakehole closed, Foster thought he was going to keep it Kmele unmolested, but Welch jumps in with a joke/interruption.

  136. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    AH! Lou Dobbs.

  137. Sudden   11 years ago

    De Bello Lemures: A group of SEIU public servants overtake a group of union scabs.

  138. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Speaking of latency...

    ...I got like 3 words out of 'Keeping it Kmele'

    Can we please put some quality Kmele time somewhere in the middle of the show? Nothing against Kennedy, but share the love already. Pass the ball.

    1. Ska   11 years ago

      Imagine smoking a joint with her.

      1. Sevo   11 years ago

        You wouldn't dare snort a line with here.

      2. GILMORE   11 years ago

        Oh god no.

      3. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        She'd interrupt the flow too much.

  139. Hyperion   11 years ago

    DERBZ! That's it, I'm out.

  140. SweatingGin   11 years ago

    On net neutrality, I always bring up -- if netflix is slow, who do you blame? Netflix? Or your ISP? Betting it is the latter.

    Also, net neutrality is important so that there is one more lever to force ISPs to turn over data to the government.

    1. Sevo   11 years ago

      "Also, net neutrality is important so that there is one more lever to force ISPs to turn over data to the government."

      Uh, what?

      1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

        IIRC, surveillance capabilities were one of the conditions in one of the telco mergers (AT&T and someone, I want to say, but I may be wrong). Also, Global Crossing is an example of a telecom that got strong armed.

        I'm suggesting that, much like a merger that has to be approved gives the state the opportunity to require surveillance capabilities, requiring net neutrality also requires surveillance.

        After all, how to know if the ISP isn't actually throttling stuff? Require a monitor port or two. Maybe netflow data and you can monitor deeper if you want to.

        1. Sevo   11 years ago

          "I'm suggesting that, much like a merger that has to be approved gives the state the opportunity to require surveillance capabilities, requiring net neutrality also requires surveillance."

          So you're saying that N-N, given that it needs state intervention to enforce, thereby allows the state access to data?
          I which case, I agree.

          1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

            Make it "thereby allows the state justification to require access".

            But yea. It was sarcastic/snarky. NN means/requires state power, probably to be used for surveillance.

            1. Sevo   11 years ago

              Got it. Missed the sarc.

  141. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    This just in: Congressman doesn't take his job seriously.

  142. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Candide: Why we live in the best of all possible worlds.

    who HASNT read Candide, btw?

    1. Sudden   11 years ago

      Me. In terms of French authors, I'm busy reading a ton of de Sade lately.

      1. GILMORE   11 years ago

        Look, its like 150 pages, and funny as hell. Its one of the top 10 greatest books of all time. De Sade is some selfcentered psychological narcissistic bullshit. Get on that.

        "Journey to the End of the Night" is also the bomb, fwiw, but not 'funny' at all.

        1. kibby   11 years ago

          You have persuaded me. It's added to my reading list now that I finally have time to read!

          1. GILMORE   11 years ago

            Candide is listed in Harold Bloom's The Western Canon: The Books and School of the Ages. It is included in the Encyclop?dia Britannica collection Great Books of the Western World.[90] Candide has influenced modern writers of black humour such as C?line, Joseph Heller, John Barth, Thomas Pynchon, Kurt Vonnegut, and Terry Southern. Its parody and picaresque methods have become favourites of black humorists.[91]"

            ... (on its ban in the US)

            in February 1929, a US customs official in Boston prevented a number of copies of the book, deemed "obscene",[84] from reaching a Harvard University French class. Candide was admitted in August of the same year; however by that time the class was over.[84] In an interview soon after Candide's detention, the official who confiscated the book explained the office's decision to ban it, "But about 'Candide,' I'll tell you. For years we've been letting that book get by. There were so many different editions, all sizes and kinds, some illustrated and some plain, that we figured the book must be all right. Then one of us happened to read it. It's a filthy book".[85][86][87]

            What better recommendation can you imagine?

      2. Pro Libertate   11 years ago

        I second Candide. Also, if you've doing French, Dumas, Hugo, Montaigne. And others.

    2. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

      I have not.

      1. GILMORE   11 years ago

        What I said above. Top 10 all-time, easy to read, constant laughs, and very thought-provoking.

        Why everyone doesn't read it in High School, I don't know. I think maybe its a little deceptively sophisticated in its parody of 'civilization'.

        1. Sevo   11 years ago

          Don't recall it on any reading list; got a theme to pass on? Yes, I can search it, but...

        2. Pro Libertate   11 years ago

          We read it in one of my AP English classes.

        3. Big Chief   11 years ago

          Speaking of high school English makes me think of a question for everyone - when and how did you find out about the Japanese internment during WWII?

          I found out about it in High School English class because we read "Farewell to Manzanar." I thought for sure it was satire or fiction, despite what the cover said. No way that could happen in the US, right?

          And I learned about it in English Lit class instead of the many History and Social Studies classes I'd had . Thanks American Education System!

          1. Virginian   11 years ago

            Larry Correia wrote a 1930s alt history where users of magic began appearing in 1850 or so. One of the main plot points is the government attempting to lock American magic users in prison camps, explicitly the ones used in real life to lock up the Issei and Nissei.

            Larry gets hate mail from lefties calling him an idiot for ever thinking that FDR would have people thrown into prison camps.

            1. Irish   11 years ago

              Larry gets hate mail from lefties calling him an idiot for ever thinking that FDR would have people thrown into prison camps.

              Just like how Margaret Sanger would never do anything racist and Wilson would never throw socialists in prison for protesting a war.

              Never.

          2. GILMORE   11 years ago

            I don't remember.

            Maybe in AP American history. It wasn't an area of focus in freshmen year, which is when we read about the holocaust and a bunch of other 20th century world-history stuff.

            1. Bobarian   11 years ago

              I had to read it for a freshman college world history class. I thought it was a little hard to follow, but that was an old translation (complete with f for s words).

              Still enjoyed reading it though.

          3. Sevo   11 years ago

            Big Chief|5.6.14 @ 10:58PM|#
            "Speaking of high school English makes me think of a question for everyone - when and how did you find out about the Japanese internment during WWII?"

            I can't remember where I first read about it, but my response was similar: "What?! The US did that?!
            Yep.

            1. Virginian   11 years ago

              "What?! The US did that?!

              There's a great bit in Liberal Fascism about how the sins of conservatives are always the sins of conservatives, but the sins of leftists are the sins of America itself.

              Thus FDR, liberal lion, is absolved of his literal fascism and this stain is passed onto the entire nation, including people who bitterly opposed him.

              1. Tejicano   11 years ago

                Liberals I grew up with excused FDR for rounding up the Japanese because "they were in danger from the American population at large". FDR was doing it for their own good.

                This is one of the signposts from my childhood pointing me away from following "liberal" thinking.

            2. Big Chief   11 years ago

              Yeah, I think that book may have started me down the path to libertarianism.

    3. Sevo   11 years ago

      Me.

      1. GILMORE   11 years ago

        I think Candide might be one of the great libertarian books of all time in some sense...

        ...mainly in how it is a satire on the collective 'wisdom' of men and how the world is governed, and the shockingly stupid things people do in the name of X "principle".

        I've always compared it to "Alice in Wonderland", "Don Quixote" and "Gulliver's Travels" (they are all called 'picaresque' books I think - absurdist 'travelogues')... and according to Wikipedia, Gulliver's Travels was a part-inspiration for the book... its one of my favorites, and I think the best of its kind as a 'political' book. Everyone should read it.

        1. Sevo   11 years ago

          OK, I've got a hole in the reading right now.
          On the list at Amazon awaiting one or two more books.

          1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

            Some recommendations:

            For Good and Evil: The Impact of Taxes on the Course of Civilization by Charles Adams (Fascinating look at how tax policies helped civilizations to rise and fall.)

            Replay by Ken Grimwood (Fine novel about a man who is forced to live his life over and over again. Think Groundhog Day but with a 20-year cycle.)

            How to Lie with Statistics by Darrell Huff (Old but still a great intro to crap you see all the time.)

            1. Sevo   11 years ago

              1 and 3; 2, maybe...
              Does Adams cover what Shlaes does in "The Greedy Hand"?
              (May have 3 already)

              1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

                Shlaes' focus is on the present day. Adams' focus is on history, so it's about taxes in ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, the Middle Ages, etc., moving up to the present day (more or less). Very, very interesting (at least to me).

        2. Big Chief   11 years ago

          I'm with you on Gulliver's Travels. That book is amazing. Definitely one of the greats. Wow, I really need to pull that one down and read it again.

    4. Big Chief   11 years ago

      I've read it a few times. Starts great, has a lot of funny and thought provoking stuff in it, but I've always thought the end fell sort of flat.

      1. GILMORE   11 years ago

        Some people suspect that it was 'unfinished'.

        Regardless, I don't think it detracts from being a reading requirement.

        If you dug that but wanted more and a better ending, try 'Simplicius Simplicissimus'

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.....licissimus

        "Inspired by the events and horrors of the Thirty Years' War which had devastated Germany from 1618 to 1648, it is regarded as the first adventure novel in the German language and the first German novel masterpiece."

        Think 'Candide-Funny', only a 'german sense of humor'... if you CAN imagine such a thing. Its dark as fuck. but unbelievably funny.

        Here's the free translation -

        http://rbsche.people.wm.edu/te.....elshausen/

        you do have to wade through Ye Olde' manner of Anglifying that one. There are better translations that are more modern that make it easier to go through.

        1. Big Chief   11 years ago

          Don't get me wrong, I agree it's a great book and worth the effort. As you mentioned, it's fairly short and a pretty easy read with a decent translation.

          I read the book because it was on a great books list. I knew nothing about it and was totally surprised by it. I expected it to be brilliant, but I didn't expect it to be so damn funny and baudy.

  143. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Geezus, my resolution on the livestream is like 5X better...

    ...and kmele was wearing charcoal/grey. That's how bad it was.

    Also = Matt, for the love of Ralph Lauren, tighten up that tie!

  144. SusanM   11 years ago

    Alive: It takes a village to survive

  145. Archduke von Pantsfan   11 years ago

    INDEPENDENTS DISPERSE

  146. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Narcissism? Says the person not only on TV every week but also makes her presence known while anyone else is talking.

  147. Virginian   11 years ago

    http://www.theverge.com/2014/5.....na-exhibit

    Concept cars....

    Remember that the government stole automotive styling, like they did with so many other things. Cars were art, once upon a time.

    1. Sevo   11 years ago

      Don Pott's First Car:
      http://www.bing.com/images/sea.....tedIndex=1

      1. Sevo   11 years ago

        BTW, I went to the exhibition in Berkeley in '77, I think.
        Glad I did; he demolished the cars.

  148. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Ugh. And Foster must once again show that he's not a god.

    AGW.

    Bah.

  149. Virginian   11 years ago

    http://takimag.com/article/ste.....z30zXr8zzb

    I always hated that book.

    1. SweatingGin   11 years ago

      Needs more Lucy's dad.

      Interesting, though.

  150. GILMORE   11 years ago

    I find that fucking weird because I met Russell Simmons in an Indian Restaurant. Maybe they did have a vegan menu.

  151. GILMORE   11 years ago

    No, Kennedy did not get the last sentence out.

  152. jamesrk   11 years ago

    Dude goto yahoo, the progressives are in full fucking panic mode, its actually frightening.

  153. jamesrk   11 years ago

    http://news.yahoo.com/gun-advo.....ut=comment

    I bet you guys can point out a couple issues with this, ill start

    What is a group?

  154. bostonaod   11 years ago

    One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich - the story of a self-obsessed wrecker callously ignoring the plight of the noble and patriotic guards helping teach him how to check his privilege.

    1. Irish   11 years ago

      +1

  155. Tman   11 years ago

    Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas An American Hero Banquet is disrupted by filthy commie drug addicts.

  156. Sevo   11 years ago

    OK, anybody read "Darkness at Noon"?

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      Nein

      I assume I must read this now. How much does it smell like Kafka?

      1. Irish   11 years ago

        It's nothing like Kafka. It's a much more realistic portrayal and doesn't have the surrealism or humor that Kafka has.

        There are scenes in The Trial that are laugh out loud funny. The only stories of his that are purely horrifying are The Hunger Artist, Metamorphosis, and In The Penal Colony. Most of his other stories are surprisingly funny, which is certainly not true of Darkness at Noon.

        1. Sevo   11 years ago

          The reviews read like what really happened to Fritz Houtermans, but he got out alive.
          Not clear that he was ever smart enough to denounce communism.

    2. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

      I remember it being very good, but it's been long enough I don't remember much of the actual book. I should pull it off the shelf and give it another read.

  157. creech   11 years ago

    Atlas Shrugged: Top Men, led by selfless benefactor Wesley Mouch, battle to protect citizens from enslavement by an evil mastermind, a dissolute playboy, a vicious pirate, a steel robber baron and a slutty heiress.

    1. Sevo   11 years ago

      Tony!
      Is that you?!

  158. Carl ?s his privilege   11 years ago

    Sweaty G, I'm not a huge fan of net neutrality proposals (though I am somewhat sympathetic to some of the concerns brought up by proponents), but I really don't think they lend anything to surveillance.

    So far violations or psuedo-violations of net neutrality have been discovered fairly quickly by private parties when not simply announced by ISPs in press releases or investor information. And to their credit, most proponents are strongly against state surveillance.

    Moreover, ISPs already have government mandated monitoring equipment on-premises; I'm having a hard time envisioning what monitoring equipment could plausibly be passed off as ensuring net neutrality compliance that provides capabilities above what are already present.

    I guess the most plausible route would be compliance audits wherein the FCC either cooperates with the NSA to give it proprietary information from the ISPs, or is spied on by it to the same effect. And even then, I have my doubts that there is much proprietary information of interest to the NSA that they don't have actual or potential access as it is.

    1. Virginian   11 years ago

      And to their credit, most proponents are strongly against state surveillance.

      The people who advocate that the government be given the power to regulate the Internet will also give the government the power to monitor it, and probably the power to destroy it. They are fools, as foolish as those who clamored that the government be allowed to torture people in order to capture terrorists.

      1. Sevo   11 years ago

        Agreed.
        This is like being in favor of total equality, but being strongly opposed to the government imposing same!
        Uh, how do you propose to separate the two?

  159. Archduke von Pantsfan   11 years ago

    Any e-readers here check out Scribd yet?
    You get a free month if you haven't. It's a giant library.

    1. lap83   11 years ago

      I've seen ads for it on my Facebook feed. It sounds cool, I might subscribe when finals week is over. What is the selection like?

      1. Archduke von Pantsfan   11 years ago

        Mainly back catalog items.
        But they did just add lonely planet books

  160. Virginian   11 years ago

    Hehe I saw a car yesterday that was absolutely covered in bumper stickers. Two interesting juxtapositions:

    "Keep your laws off my body!" / "I *heart* Obamacare"

    "COEXIST"/"Smash the Tea Party"

    1. Big Chief   11 years ago

      +1 Tolerance for everyone who agrees with me!

    2. Archduke von Pantsfan   11 years ago

      Was it a Subaru?

      1. Corning   11 years ago

        HEY!!

        Soobs are the shit!!!

        Well actually I only know like 1980-1984 Subarus which for the price used were damn awesome cars.

        "$1500. drive off a cliff on a dirt road...still runs"

        I know just after 1984 they sucked ass though...no idea what they are like now.

      2. Sevo   11 years ago

        There's a sticker I see: Obama won. Get over it"
        I want to add "We Lost".

      3. Virginian   11 years ago

        Was it a Subaru?

        Nah it was a shitty old Civic hatchback.

  161. Jesus H. Christ   11 years ago

    OK, I'm using fascr with Firefox on the mac to try to block "certain" commenters, and it's not working. I am putting the commenter's handle in the Blocked Posters field in the fascr preferences screen. Do I need to wrap the handle in quotes? Do I use a comma to separate entries in the field?

    1. bdhr   11 years ago

      Jesus H., I will try you again tomorrow since you probably are asleep by now, but:

      The blocklist should look like:
      ["Contrarian","SlV","american socialist","Tony"]

      You get the idea. It is in JSON format.

      However, while it is there for advanced users to edit and to be able to copy & paste easily, it's not really necessary to edit directly. Just click the ? symbol to block, and if you have it set to display the bylines of blocked posters, just click ? again to unblock.

      In the future, please email me or post on the issue tracker (registration should not be required) to make sure I see your question / issue.

  162. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    And now some weapons-grade derp as a nightcap:

    Your Milton Freidman video is a bit outdated. He is talking about millionaires investing in factories and machines that give people jobs. Of course the problem today is, that isn't true anymore. Millionaires are stripping machines and jobs AWAY from Americans and sending those jobs overseas, and the millionaires are becoming billionaires because they are basically using slave labor in unregulated countries to produce their products. This country actually used to make things, for every car, or product made in America there was a bevvy of other companies manufacturing parts and gaskets and rivets for those companies. In 1965, a single model of a single car would support tens of thousands of workers, not just the ones in the factories assembling and building said cars, but the rivet company in rural Ohio that makes a special rivet just for that car, the glass company in Flint Michigan that makes windshield for that specific car, the metal fabricators in Terre Haute Indiana that make the exhaust system for that specific car, the brake company in Altoona Pennsylvania that makes specially designed brakes for that specific car, etc. Etc.

  163. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Cont'd

    The video in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTLwANVtnkA

    Now literally all those jobs are gone, outsourced to the lowest bidder. Nothing is made in America anymore, and it's not because of unions or fair wages...it's because of greed. Why pay workers a living wage and benefits in a safe environment, when you can pay children pennies a day to work in a death trap hellhole in a third world country and save yourself millions? And not only is it allowed by law, it is encouraged, and even rewarded because the very people who wrote the laws, and the ones in charge of the system and as long as voters keep being duped into believing that more wealth for the top equals more prosperity for all, it will only get worse.

    1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

      Someone should explain comparative advantage to him.

      1. Corning   11 years ago

        and robotics.

  164. J Mann   11 years ago

    1) There's no capitalist analogy in Animal Farm because it's the story of the transition from Czarism to Leninism. Mitt Romney's employees and investors were free to leave, but the farm animals weren't. That doesn't mean that you have to love capitalism or Mitt Romney, but it does mean that Ball's interpretation is probably pretty goofy.

    2) "Yes, but if you read 1984 TODAY, it SEEMS to be the story of how the Teabaggers are wrong to express their opinions, because reducating Winston Smith is a lot like holding a sign that tries to change people's opinions about TARP."

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