Tonight on The Independents: Spiritual Teacher/Congressional Candidate Marianne Williamson, Actress Judy Greer, TV Personality Annabelle Gurwitch, Punk Rocker Walter Schreifels, Pallid Commie-Hater Michael Moynihan, Plus After-Show!

Tonight's live episode of The Independents (9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, on Fox Business Network, with repeats three hours later) is filled with semi-famous ladies doing interesting things. For instance, Marianne Williamson is, according to Wikipedia, a

spiritual teacher, author and lecturer. She has published ten books, including four New York Times #1 bestsellers. She is the founder of Project Angel Food, a meals-on-wheels program that serves homebound people with AIDS in the Los Angeles area, and the co-founder of The Peace Alliance, a grass roots campaign supporting legislation to establish a United States Department of Peace.

Williamson is also running for Congress as an independent, and as such qualifies as the latest subject of our "Meet the Independent" series.

Then there's Judy Greer, literally "that girl from that movie/tv show," who will be talking about her new book I Don't Know What You Know Me From: Confessions of a Co-Star. Annabelle Gurwitch, the multi-talented former host of the TBS show Dinner and a Movie, will team up on the Party Panel with beloved Reason Contributing Editor Michael C. Moynihan. The duo is slated to talk about Hammerin' Hank Aaron's comment about modern American racists ("The bigger difference is that back then they had hoods. Now they have neckties and starched shirts"); whether today's horrific school knife attack will or should lead to calls for "knife control," Brandeis University's cowardly withdrawal of an honorary degree for Islam critic Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and the controversy over the unemployed Phoenix mom who left her two young kids in a hot car while she was interviewing for a job. Gurwitch-Moynihan will also participate in a mid-show game attempting to match sex scandals to politicians.

There's more! Wall Street Journal multimedia explainer Jason Bellini, proprietor of "The Short Answer," will present and talk about some of his latest work, such as this snappy vid about who gets audited by the Internal Revenue Service. And punk-rock legend Walter Schreifels of Gorilla Biscuits fame may or may not assess the country-music stylings of a man looking to free up the ownership of tigers.

Who knows which remnants from that all-star lineup will end up on the online-only after-show; you'll have to go to foxbusiness.com/independents at 10 p.m. sharp to find out. Find us on Facebook at facebook.com/IndependentsFBN, on Twitter @ independentsFBN, and click on this page for video of past segments.

Comments

[Sevo]

..."to establish a United States Department of Peace."

Can't think of anything we need more.

[Corning]

Can't think of anything we need more.

Department of Bureaucrat Assassination.

[fish]

Can't think of anything we need more.

Yeah...more government employees!

Sevo...take Admiral Ackbars words to heart.....

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4930876416/hB0F640C6/

[freebooter]

I can see it now: weekly pronouncements of wars avoided or ended.

[pan fried wylie]

"Due to inadequate funding at the Dept. Of Peace, the United States has declared war on Russia."

[GILMORE]

'declared war'? dude that requires congress. Dept. Of Peace would *stumble into War* like a drunk getting off a carousel. "We're not sure how the invasion of Lichtenstein happened, but we have an internal investigation ongoing as we speak"

[Corning]

Internal documents have been subpenaed by congress but spokeswoman for the Department of peace says the FOI request will take years to process.

[Vulgar Madman]

But who could be angry if they were attacked by peace drones?

[Invisible Finger]

I can see it now: weekly pronouncements of wars avoided or ended.

Nope. More like "non-violent sectors created or saved".

Think of how easy it will be to split one non-violent sector into two. Sorta like gerrymandering.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Isn't that the effective role of the Department of State?

And DOD is stupid, call it the Department of War since that's what it is.

[PapayaSF]

Isn't that the effective role of the Department of State?

Yes, but it's not working, so we need another bureaucracy.

[The Immaculate Trouser]

Marianne Williamson is, according to Wikipedia, a "spiritual teacher, author and lecturer. She has published ten books, including four New York Times #1 bestsellers. She is the founder of Project Angel Food, a meals-on-wheels program that serves homebound people with AIDS in the Los Angeles area, and the co-founder of The Peace Alliance, a grass roots campaign supporting legislation to establish a United States Department of Peace."

You could have just called her a damned dirty ape hippie, Matt.

[R C Dean]

She is the founder of Project Angel Food, a meals-on-wheels program that serves homebound people with AIDS in the Los Angeles area,

Good.

and the co-founder of The Peace Alliance, a grass roots campaign supporting legislation to establish a United States Department of Peace."

Bad.

[GILMORE]

But R.C., how can you hate another "U.S. Department" of anything? All the others are *so effective*?

[GILMORE]

Speaking of which, you can be pretty sure if a US Department of Peace came into being, the first 'scandal' would be when they have to explain why they have a stockpile of Nerve Gas and their own Special-Ops unit; and then there would be the 'incident' where they go "Whoops! We meant well, but somehow there was a paperwork mixup and we nuked Iceland. But we now have TOP MEN in charge, and the accidental-nuking is forecast to be far lower in the eventual future; which is progress"

[Derpetologist]

We already have the Peace Corps, which JFK started to bribe poor countries away from communism. Same thing for USAID.

Peace Corps is a hard program to hate. There are 70 countries on the waiting list for Peace Corps. The only country so far to tell them to fuck off permanently after having them is Russia.

In fairness, sending the Peace Corps to Russia after the fall of communism was bit of dancing in the end zone.

http://www.peacecorps.gov/medi.....press/735/

[GILMORE]

We already also donate a shitload of money to the U.N. whose 'blue hats' are the ostensible 'peacekeeping army' of the world, who have an unfortunate track-record of 0% success thus far. In fact, that's a bit generous = the actual score is more like (negative) "couple hundred thousand lives", with a healthy layer of "mass rape" on top of it.

I have wanted to get this T-shirt made, like, Fo-evah =

"U.N. PEACEKEEPING 20th CENTURY WORLD TOUR"
"Paving the Road to Hell, One Mission at a Time"
Israel
Somalia
Sri Lanka
Yemen
Rwanda
Liberia
Bosnia/Kosovo
Haiti
Congo
Cambodia
Darfur

With pictures of smurfs carrying guns, naturally

[Derpetologist]

One of the best books I've ever read about foreign aid was The Road To Hell: The Ravaging Effects of Foreign Aid and International Charity by Michael Maren. He was a Peace Corps volunteer in Kenya in the late 70s and then worked for USAID in Somalia. He had a front row seat to the way the food aid fueled the civil war there.

Some foreign aid programs are great successes, but most of them are at best a waste of time and money.

[Root Boy]

One of the most nefarious side effects of things like our food aid during famines is that (after paying off US farmers) the food shipped in dropped the local price of grain and made it less likely local farmers could make money and plant the next years crop.

Self perpetuating famine basically.

[Derpetologist]

During a famine in Ethiopia, a USAID employee saw warehouses full of locally produced food just rotting away. Farmers could not compete with the free foreign aid food.

[Root Boy]

I hadn't heard that, but what I read was related to Ethiopia or Somalia.

The proposed solution was for AID to buy local if they could and supplement with shipped in food if there wasn't enough locally.

[Corning]

Half of Korea....

That is some sort of victory.

Though the UN is still having a hard time figuring out which half was won and which half was lost.

[GILMORE]

YOU IMPERIALIST RUNNING DOG DROWN IN SEA OF FIRE!!! WE SAY IT A TIE!!

[kibby]

You should definitely have these made. I would wear the shit out of this.

[pogi]

Put me down for 10 of those t-shirts.

[The Immaculate Trouser]

Agreed. There is some silly stuff happening in the Peace Corps (when I was in Honduras, there was a Peace Corps volunteer freshly graduated from his business degree sent to train small business owners who had run their businesses for decades on how a Harvard man would do it... oy) but by and large it's a fairly benign and even somewhat positive government program. Sometimes, the government lucks out.

[Derpetologist]

Some Peace Corps volunteers go out there and do great things- people name their kids after them. Years later, people will remember their names and the state they came from.

Many others muddle along and/or bug out early. An unfortunate few become whipping boys or nearly spark diplomatic incidents.

[The Immaculate Trouser]

Oh yeah, some of them definitely go the distance -- they do a very good job of preserving America's brand around the world; most of the bad stories I've heard/seen about the Peace Corps are in terms of haplessness or volunteers biting off more than they can chew, rather than what is generally the case in these types of programs.

[Derpetologist]

I like to think I was one of the good ones. I got thank you letters and emails from former students. The first year, the class I taught had the highest grades on the national math exam the school had seen in many years.

I took my top 10 students to climb Mt Kilimanjaro with me. Hard work and intelligence should be rewarded.

And don't think I'm wearing a halo. There was a time when I thought they'd kick me out.

[Suthenboy]

Good? She serves them with AIDS man. She is a monster.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I hope that Judy Greer does her signature Kitty move.

TIWTANFL

[Episiarch]

She's been doing those retarded Sprint commercials lately. She's too good looking for that.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I'm curious how she comes off in an interview. I don't have Fox Business at the hotel, so I'm going to rely on the comments here.

[MJGreen]

I... don't have high hopes. I'll watch the clip tomorrow if the comments here suggest it's not totally uncomfortable. This is a niche political talk show with a very, uh, assertive host; an interview about entertainment (presumably over satellite) is probably not going to be must-see.

[MJGreen]

I assume she will be high on glue the entire time.

[fish]

Loves me some Cheryl Tunt!

[flye]

Tum again?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR!!!

[Corning]

Duh

[Episiarch]

I have to say, this season of Archer has been pretty weak. They didn't run with the "Archer Vice" concept like I'd hoped. And the whole Cherylene thing has been way less entertaining that I had hoped. Plus, they're not doing phrasing any more.

[SugarFree]

OUTLAW COUNTRY!

[Episiarch]

Yes, yes, NutraSweet, we know you bought one million of her albums to make her a platinum-selling star.

[SugarFree]

My wife will never find out!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

It's been uneven, but this last story arch involving the Latin American dictator has been pretty hilarious.

"Michael Du-cock-less!"

[lap83]

"Can we PLEASE have one conversation that's not about my rack, Michael??"

[MJGreen]

*Matt Welch stands up and heads for the exit*

"Can't be part of the story..."

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

According to Wikipedia she is married to one of the producers of 'Real Time with Bill Maher'.

So I really hope she does't share the politics of that show.

[kibby]

& how likely does that seem? Maybe tonight's interview can avoid that subject.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

What do you mean? Bill Maher is a "libertarian".

[kibby]

*chokes on drink* Thank you, I needed a good laugh tonight!

[Almanian!]

I love Annabelle Gurwitch.

That is all.

[RannedPall]

I posted this earlier, but thought I'd repost here, it's that juicy, IMO.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014.....tic-ayaan/

[Marshall Gill]

Doesn't someone who comments here work at Brandeis? If they read this please tell any on the faculty who had anything to do with this to go royally fuck themselves.

Ayaan has serious balls, especially after what happened to her friend Theo Van Gogh. I would have named my daughter Ayaan, if my wife had agreed, after reading Infidel.

Simply disgraceful.

[GILMORE]

"...And punk-rock legend"

Which is another way of saying, "This old grumpy guy in L.A. or NYC with tattoos who used to be in bands that other people in bands once kinda listened to" Said bands are usually defined by their "Early Career", leading into "Decade of Complete Collapse", and subsequent "Half-Hearted Reunion".

If you drink heavily in any half-decent bar long enough, you end up becoming 'friends' on a first-name basis with at least one Punk Rock Legend.

I stopped counting at 3. Do the Psychedelic Furs count as 'punk'? Them too.

[SlV]

Do the Psychedelic Furs count as 'punk'?

One song counts as punk

This one is pop but it rocks

[Corning]

Punk rock is not about the style of music but about not selling out...

Well in theory any way which tends to fall apart when some d-bag punk rocker scoffs at it for being too popy or having a melody.

[PapayaSF]

"Love My Way" is a New Wave classic.

[Butts Wagner]

Walter Schreifels is the center around which my hardcore-punk fandom revolves.

[GILMORE]

he's a vegan

[Sevo]

..."If you drink heavily in any half-decent bar long enough, you end up becoming 'friends' on a first-name basis with at least one Punk Rock Legend."...

Not if you're careful; they're always trolling for freebies.

[GILMORE]

Also, if they 'cover' all of this stuff in one show, I think that will be at least 10 seconds-per-topic... an improvement!

[SugarFree]

It should be more like sports infotainment shows. Just split the screen into four feeds and they can all scream over each other.

[trshmnster the terrible]

One feed for each viewer!

[SugarFree]

Having a few dozen people on the screen all screaming at each other until it becomes a dull roar nonsense is a powerful metaphor for libertarianism.

[Derpetologist]

No, this is the best pictorial representation of libertarianism:

[Corning]

Why the hell am I wearing a suit?

[Derpetologist]

Because GILMORE made fun of your wife beater and sweat pants.

[Root Boy]

Those pictorials are kind of stale, but I laughed. Good post.

I just think it needs more hate from the left.

Are there other political pictorials?

[Bobarian]

" it needs more hate from the left."

Maybe trampling some orphans while eating an endangered species?

[Episiarch]

So basically dinner at your house. And pretty much like what they already have.

[Derpetologist]

What libertarians do- better version:

http://insertyourmeme.com/wp-c.....ans-do.jpg

[SlV]

Kentucky Horselocaust!

I saw ground beef for $5.29 lb at the Publix last week but all this meat is going to waste.

[SugarFree]

Animal abuse stories are depressing common on the news around here, as are entire families burning to death and relatives shooting each other.

But horsemeat isn't wasted, exactly. Near every racetrack is a rendering plant that turns them into dog food.

When the wind is just right, the entire University of Louisville campus smells like boiling horse.

[Suthenboy]

I have no problem with animals being used as food.

Penning them up and starving on the other hand....I hope this guy gets raped and shanked to death in prison.

[Peter Falk]

Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but nipples.

[Root Boy]

I noted it (them).

[Suthenboy]

You did not need to mention. I noticed. And noticed.

[Derpetologist]

Tales from the Derp

I was recently given an example of "good" business writing to use as a model. Here are some samples and the comments I gave in response:

"human-based manual process"

Are there manual processes here not done by humans? (I was going to bring up trained apes, but I stopped myself).

"completely eliminate"

Redundant. You can't partially eliminate something.

"which will enable the ability"

I was going to write "Dept. of Redundancy Dept.", but merely said it should be "which will let"

I know I'm not crazy. This kind of puffy, stilted writing is the butt of countless jokes. I will never give up my fight against Corporatese.
Bad writing goes together with bad thinking.

[Sevo]

You could also point out that it's much easier to decide something rather than taking a decision.
And I'm guessing that a price is cheaper than a price point.

[Corning]

"which will enable the ability"

Enablize the B-to-B synergy!!

[Derpetologist]

The people who email stuff to me are smart enough not to use the word synergy.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

I think you should form a Tiger Team to champion the effort to synergize and economize nonverbal and written memorandums of communication.

[Mad Scientist]

Now that's thinking outside the box! Way to shift the paradigm!

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Dammit I forgot paradigm, I always hated that one.

[Derpetologist]

I can feel my pulse in my eyelid after reading that.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

You just need some more synergistically aligned mission statements.

[Derpetologist]

There is a 5 part mission statement at the entrance. It takes all my willpower not to sigh in disgust when I read it. The only thing worse is the gun-free zone sign that is next to it.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Mission statement - Make money, go home happy.

The only one you need in a business

[Mad Scientist]

With that attitude, you'll never become one of the essential team members who empower, align, and energize the future, mister!

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

You will appreciate this.

http://www.atrixnet.com/bs-generator.html

[Mad Scientist]

Years ago I was asked to write a manual for some software we developed in house. I'm the only person who uses this software so I was convinced I would also be the only audience for the manual. I packed the middle two pages full of bullshit business speak and handed it in to my boss. To this day, no one as ever asked me about it, so I assume no one has ever read it.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

I used to be a better business writer. Now that I'm boss, I don't practice as much, but I have to constantly edit my employees work.

If I could just hire someone who can spell.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Wat biznis?

[Raven Nation]

College prof here: spell, grammar, appropriate word choices, consistent metaphors, etc., ad nauseum.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

consistent metaphors

So you're not an acolyte of the Friedman School?

[Raven Nation]

Umm, no. And I think that's part of the problem: you have a lot of public writers who can't write.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Hey teach, how would you grade the writing 'round these parts?

[Raven Nation]

Rufus: commentators are pretty damn good. Articles, meh. No, seriously, it's all pretty good.

[Ted S.]

And yet you misspelled something. :-p

[Ted S.]

I always hated having to spell check for my mother, who couldn't spell properly, and had some non-standard pronunciations, too.

I'm reminded of the time she asked me, "How do you spell 'spear'?"

Or course, I answered, "S-P-E-A-R".

"No, not that kind of spear," she replied, and showed me a picture of her and her gal pal at Epcot Center down at Disney World.

There was no spear in the photo, so I had no idea what she was talking about -- until she pointed to the geodesic sphere.

[Derpetologist]

Reminds me of this:

[Somewhere in East Asia]

Hotel: Morny, ruin sorbees.
Guest: Sorry, I thought I dialed room-service.
Hotel: Rye! Ruin sorbees ... morny! Jewish to odor sunteen??
Guest: Uh ... yes ... I'd like some bacon and eggs.
Hotel: Ow July den?
Guest: What??
Hotel: Ow July den ... pry, boy, pooch?
Guest: Oh, the eggs! How do I like them? Sorry, scrambled please.
Hotel: Ow July dee baychem ... crease?
Guest: Crisp will be fine.
Hotel: Hokay. An San tos?
Guest: What?
Hotel: San tos. July San tos?
Guest: I don't think so.
Hotel: No? Judo one toes?
Guest: I feel really bad about this, but I don't know what 'judo onetoes' means.
Hotel: Toes! Toes! ... Why djew Don Juan toes? Ow bow singlishmopping we bother?
Guest: English muffin!! I've got it! You were saying 'Toast.' Fine.Yes, an English muffin will be fine.
Hotel: We bother?
Guest: No, just put the bother on the side.
Hotel: Wad?
Guest: I mean butter ... just put it on the side.
Hotel: Copy?
Guest: Sorry?
Hotel: Copy ... tea ... mill?
Guest: Yes. Coffee please, and that's all.
Hotel: One Minnie. Ass strangle ache, creasebaychem, tossy singlish mopping we bother honey sigh, and copy... rye?
Guest: Whatever you say.
Hotel: Ten jew berry mud.
Guest: You're welcome.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

I'll beat that.

"Amtrak's disease"

I shit you not.

[Raven Nation]

I had a student write a paper on "Attention Defecate Disorder."

[Derpetologist]

When I was younger, the puh-sychologist said I had Nintendo Jefferson Something. I didn't catch the last part because I saw a squirrel.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

I lose attention when I have to poop too.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

It's sphere for German?

[Derpetologist]

I read a story about a grad student who put a $50 dollar bill in the journal volume that contained his thesis. He would check every few years to see if anyone took it.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I would have used the now defunct $2 (cdn) bill.

[PapayaSF]

It's defunct? I thought they killed the $1 bill and replaced it with a coin. Are there now $2 coins and the bills start at $5, or what?

[Whahappan?]

Loonies and Toonies man, where you been?

[Derpetologist]

My dad told me a story where he had to fill out some DMV form. In the space which said "do not write here", he wrote in large, capital letters, "GO FUCK YOURSELF". The clerk did not blink when he handed in the form.

[Paul.]

In my fantasy world, those words would get you in front of a firing squad.

[lap83]

I'm guessing the writer and the person who gave you the example are one and the same.

[Derpetologist]

Good guess.

[lap83]

What an amazingly lucky coincidence that they happened to be the best business writer they know!

[flye]

These are your employees? If so, buy them a copy of Economical Writing by Deirdre McClosky and make sure they read it.

[Derpetologist]

I have been sending them my own version of Orwell's rules every time it happens.

[Raven Nation]

Is that Politics & the English Language?

[Derpetologist]

Yes. I chopped it down to the 5 rules:

1. Few words are better than many words.
2. Short words are better than long words.
3. Plain English is better than jargon.
4. Literal is better than figurative.
5. Active voice is better than passive voice.

[kibby]

I recall many kids in my business courses who could not tell the difference between voices. It was depressing.

[Derpetologist]

I don't mind criticism of my writing- except when it comes from people who know almost nothing about grammar.

[Heroic Mulatto]

But that's because they were struggling with the Attic Greek mediopassive voice. What you call your "business" courses were, to the rest of us, seminars on the economies of the constituent city-states of the Peloponnesian League.

Show off.

[kibby]

This makes me look insanely smart so I'm not going to correct a word of it.

[Raven Nation]

Cool, thanks.

For those interested, another summary here:

http://www.pickthebrain.com/bl.....e-writing/

And the original essay here:

http://www.orwell.ru/library/e.....sh/e_polit

[BigT]

"more unique"

Can one really be more one of a kind than one of a kind?

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

That's the most unique thing I've heard all day.

[Suthenboy]

The next time they give you an example like the one you describe, write "Bad writing goes together with bad thinking." in big letters across the face of it and hand it back. Say nothing else, just hand it back.

[Derpetologist]

I fear I am not bald and imposing enough to do that.

[Ted S.]

I'm surprised nobody has linked to this old ad yet.

[DEG]

Damn the government is quick to cash a tax check, which is completely different from when it is time for the government to send a tax refund check. No, I am not surprised. I'm just bitching because I saw the government cashed the tax check I mailed last weekend.

[Invisible Finger]

Reminds me of a very short Monty Python bit (with Eric Idle dressed as John Lennon):

"I'm starting a war for peace."

[Invisible Finger]

a grass roots campaign supporting legislation to establish a United States Department of Peace.

A grassroots campaign to start another top-down organization.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Project Angel Food meals must eat up around $50 in costs per.

[C. Anacreon]

I am live a Ron Paul speech in Hayward, CA. I'm wearing a reason shirt if anyone else is here. If anyone is interested I'll post if he says something of note.

[SugarFree]

And C. Anacreon was never heard of again...

[RannedPall]

Great! Hayward is exactly 360 miles away from me, I'll be there in 5 hours, hang tight.

[SlV]

I hope future-President Rand Paul makes Zombie Thomas Szasz Surgeon General.

[C. Anacreon]

You'd be happy, SIV. Ron Paul just blamed the Fort Hood episode on misuse of psychiatric meds.

[SlV]

Drugs don't make people kill people. I'd have no problem with psych meds if they were offered as "this might make you feel and/or function better" rather than using fraud and force as is far too often the case.

[C. Anacreon]

Interesting, in our ER we use almost that exact same phrase -- "this might make you feel and/or function better" -- and avoid coercion at all costs.

We are averaging the use of restraints in less than one out of one thousand (.001) emergency involuntary psychiatric patients in our ER. It is possible. I agree with you there is a lot of fraud and force being used out there but some of us are doing all we can to change that.

[C. Anacreon]

Lots so far about not using government coercion to force us to take care of our neighbor's bad choices.

[C. Anacreon]

Paul: "Truth is treason in an empire of lies."

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Catchy

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Although the order should have been reversed for more punch.

In an empire of lies, truth is treason.

[PapayaSF]

Yes. A good editor you would be.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Man, is Matt extreme. Either he's an eager beaver and posts TI's lineup at 5:36 or he's too busy picking ties and puts it up at 8:37pm.

It fucks up my whole bowel movement schedule.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

He's mentally preparing for Judy's rack.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Extremest Libertarians!!11!

[Paul.]

Is it cold in there or is Judy Greer just happy to see Matt Welch?

[Bam!]

Alt-text: "Eyes up here, Paul!"

[Episiarch]

Have you not seen Arrested Development before?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I just drove by a place called "City Wok". I feel obligated to eat there now...

[Episiarch]

Would you order the Shitty Chicken? Or the Shitty Beef?

Fucking Mongorians!

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I did get the shitty wok beef and the shitty wok chicken. The guy taking my order laughed like he has never heard the joke before, so I gave him a decent tip.

[kibby]

Eating at the City Wok in San Diego was one of the highlights of my sad little life.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I did in fact go there for take out tonight (the one in Palm Desert). It is a franchise of the one in San Diego. It is really, really good. I'm having a few beers and watching the sunset before I eat, but i sampled each dish and they are all delicious.

[GILMORE]

Sorry, I have to share this;

I may have previously mentioned that the first year I lived in London, I got into a 'drinking contest' with a brit who'd challenged me to see which of us could do a wider variety of accents from our home country. It was a mistake on my part - between my NYC and southern background, I could think of 8 or so, then toss in some regional stuff like New England/Boston, Minnesota, or whatever, and I figured id be sorted...

...I didn't realize that it was the british national pastime. This guy's demonstration here is the closest I've ever seen to exactly how badly I got owned; he even uses a number of the same expressions to establish the 'cliche accent'. My favorites are the variations in Northern (Manc vs. Liverpudlian) and his 'American' thing (when he said, "Dude! THAT is *Not* Cool!?" I pissed myself)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dABo_DCIdpM

What's funny is that his "posh London southerner" accent is much shitter than his 'Generic American'.

[Episiarch]

Accents are way more important in England than here. They have been and are very strict class markers in a way that Americans just don't do (you could be rich and powerful and have a low-class accent, just look at the Kennedys). For middle and upper class Brits, their accent is usually a reflection of the school they went to, and everyone knows exactly where on the class spectrum an accent puts someone. I remember doing a paper in a linguistics course many years ago, and during my research I read a book by a London linguistic researcher from the late 1800s who claimed to be able to tell, by accent alone, approximately what block or street a person was from.

[Bam!]

I remember doing a paper in a linguistics course many years ago, and during my research I read a book by a London linguistic researcher from the late 1800s who claimed to be able to tell, by accent alone, approximately what block or street a person was from.

You don't say.

[Episiarch]

Ha, I forgot about Professor Higgins. Probably because Audrey Hepburn is too cute to pay attention to anyone else.

[GILMORE]

ha. I was just making that joke.

[Raven Nation]

I remember seeing a British interview with a fisherman from the northeast on a kind of blooper reel. As the host put it, "Some people speak English with a trace of accent. This man speaks accent with a trace of English."

It was obvious after the response to the first question that the interviewer had no idea what the interviewee was saying and was just winging it.

[GILMORE]

Yeah, I know. I even knew that *then* (I worked for the brits for 9 years), but still thought that I was better 'imitating' things than any random Limey. Just 'cause they HAVE a shitload of accents doesn't mean a person can *do* them all. Fuck, I worked with a load of Mancs (half our company was fed into by Manchester U, the other half were 'Oxbridge', which made for a very-amusing intra-company social dynamic) and they could hardly understand *each other* much less imitate anything. The southy brits were more class-conscious and therefore did the 'accent mockery' almost as part of their cultural upbringing. 'my fair lady' to the max, yo.

Anyway, I'd stumbled into the Oxford regional accent champ and ended up paying for everyone's drinks for the eve. Luckily I held up there.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Why you had to choose the Kennedy clan when a perfectly acceptable choice was Tex:

http://poohadventures.wikia.co.....rdrock.gif

[PapayaSF]

What can be very funny is to hear someone speak one language, but with an accent from another language. I have a friend who used to confuse Germans by speaking German with a heavy and fake Southern American accent. They could understand him, but would ask: "Are you from Austria...?

[SFC B]

Living in Germany right now and I work with a guy from New Jersey who has lived here for a couple decades; very, very fluent German speaker. He hasn't lost his Jersey accent.

When he speaks to Germans you can see their brains freeze up at the combination of Hochdeustche and Jersery Shore.

[PapayaSF]

I love it. It's just what my friend did (intentionally).

[pogi]

Link to the live feed?

[NebulousFocus]

[NebulousFocus]

here

[pogi]

I thank you sir or madam, as the case may be. My %%#$#$&^ DirecTV login is not working to get to the stream on the Fox Biz site.

[GILMORE]

Nice tie, Neil

[Bam!]

Old lady lipstick.

[BigT]

Pink shirt w tan coat? Ugh

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Ooo. Cote D'azur/Ventimiglia look, Matt.

[Bam!]

You're not funny. Get off the stage.

[Rev Match]

If she's being sarcastic, she isn't doing a good job of it.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

She's mental, not serious.

[Derpetologist]

Here is one of the terms for the obnoxious prog I mentioned yesterday:

A 5,000 word essay of the power of the government and legal system to ruin lives.

No response yet.

Context: http://reason.com/blog/2014/04.....nt_4435668

[Rufus J. Firefly]

5000?

You're hardcore. As much as I love to watch progs suffer dude claims his business is in jeopardy.

2000 and set him free.

[Derpetologist]

He's trying to haggle, unaware that he is no position to negotiate.

[GILMORE]

"Killing is negotiation"
- Black Hawk Down

Seriously, bud. Choose your battles. Don't get in the way of idiots being idiots.

[Derpetologist]

He begged for mercy, I am giving him a fair way out.

[Raven Nation]

I would say 5000 is too long only b/c that's a lot of reading for you. It's what, about 18 double-spaced pp?

[Derpetologist]

I will savor every word of it. He says he hasn't done homework in 20 years. Too bad. If he's not up to it, I am perfectly happy to watch him slide into poverty.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

He may as well start grabbing asses again (not that I believe that particular explanation).

[BigT]

Kmele s shirt is horrid as well. Are they shopping at Goodwill?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Some liberal moron in one of the articles on Reason used a 'knives can be used as tools' argument to differentiate it from gun control.

[BigT]

Guns are tools for self defense. Duh

[Tejicano]

Guns are tools for a set of tasks for which this progtard lacks the balls to even contemplate.

[DH]

How about a "Jump to Conclusions Mat"?

[Derpetologist]

"No, Tom. Go ahead and tell us your idea."

[DH]

If things go well I might be showing her my O-face. "Oh... Oh... Oh!" You know what I'm talkin' about. "Oh!"

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Man, this girl is scary the shit out of me.

Emotions must trump rational thought!

Get a grip woman. The audience of TI are not babbling-gibberists you're probably accustomed to.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Brandeis....so we're gonna give her diploma to Sandra Fluke...

[Bam!]

Comments aren't as lively when Francisco d'Anconia doesn't assemble the Independents.

[kibby]

We are kind of sucking at this tonight.

[BigT]

The topics and guests aren't very exciting

[Derpetologist]

I had a brief gig on a college radio station. They were looking to fill air time and I was there to help.

I did one show where I read a bunch of nasty parts from the bible. The next day, I did the same thing with the Koran. During the broadcast, someone came in to chide me on air. I said I had not said anything that was incorrect. The next day, the station manager called me and chided me saying that it was not right for me to "laugh" at Islam. He told me to read a disclaimer before the broadcast.

For the next show, I began with the disclaimer "the views on this show are my own and in no way represent XYZ, WXYZ, or the North American Man Boy Love Association."

[Rufus J. Firefly]

A two year-old is not watching anything.

[Bobarian]

Never leave a baby in a hot car...

Unless you plan on eating it later.

[Bam!]

Crazy Lady keeps interjecting with personal anecdotes. This isn't your podcast, lady.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Rubber tipped knives!

[DH]

I propose no more Gurwitch on the Independents. We need a catchy slogan like "Gone with Gurwitch", or "Going Going Gurwitch".

[BigT]

Ding dong Gurwitch is gone.

[DH]

*Stands and applauds with a tear in the corner of his eye.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

How am I supposed to cut my filet mignon with a butter knife?

[Bam!]

Sharpen it.

[kibby]

I'll bet she's about to tell another one, too.

[Bobarian]

How do you cut eye-holes in your neck-tie and starched collar?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

No wonder Karen's Krazy Kindergarten never took off.

[Bobarian]

Moynihan is Godwinning the show.

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 9 April 2014

- Kennedy: Teal - a color sometime known to bleed Kennedy dry - tonight looks Springier than a slinky on ecstacy. The lipstick gives just the right flash of contrast to the Izod and ties the whole thing together. +1 Miami Vice.

- Matt: Hallejulia! The oft-alluded to light-brown suit has, like George Michael, taken so long to finally come out of the closet that its possible that no one will really give a shit; but *I do*. And not only that, it brings the pink shirt combo I've previously mentioned as being 'the only thing I've ever seen Matt do right'. Given a chance now to re-assess my view? I'm Still Down. Its a nice blend of soft-tones that really works for Matt in ways that the Hard Contrasts of his (ugh) 'other' combinations do not. Default VICTORY.

- Kmele: Eeeh. The 'Brody' works once a week. Back to back is a default penalty. plus, we think this is one of those Plaid Shirts your Mom gave you and you only wear in 'ironic' combinations. Not really feeling it. Its not "Matt-bad", but it is sub-Kmele-Dope.

Bonus:

- MoyniMan: Puts in more effort than usual; except for the fact that someone has problems tying a tie. Plus, this seems to be a collar needing stays that doesnt' have them. While this is the kind of shit that blows job interviews, we Like Mike, and this is how he rolls. Can't fuck with it.

- Chick: Looks like my ex-girlfriend got much older. Sorry babe, i'm glad its over.

Thank You

[JW]

I have to admit that I've had a thing for Annabelle since I saw her on Dinner & a Movie. She looks damn good for 50, if she hasn't had any work done.

Let me note here that this is purely a physical attraction.

[BigT]

Sorry GILMORE, you are fired as fashion critic. Matt's combo is wretched. And a silver tie! It's like a random choice.

[GILMORE]

The tie is light blue/cyan

and while its not a 'working formula' that anyone can wear, its *Matts Best*

We're talking MATT here.

If you've been paying attention, Matt's 'spectrum' ranges from "oh god no" to "What the fuck??"

Therefore= this is Matt 'looking good'.

Also, I am self employed, so change the channel bitch

[BigT]

Yes, slightly better than standard Matt. But still hurl-inducing.

[GILMORE]

CORRECTION: ""...The 'Brody' "

This was labeled "Boyd Crowder" last night.

I fucked that up there. although 'brody' is not a bad name either. Sorta yuppie-hipster cowboyish. Which is what I was thinking. Anyway. Carry on.

[JW]

At last, Nicole Richie's horns have matured to their full glory.

[Derpetologist]

[Earth-shattering sigh}

PARADIGM!?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

People are ready for "positivity, strength and enlightenment."

/face palm.

[GILMORE]

Positivity and shit

[Rev Match]

Buzzwords and shit.

[GILMORE]

Paradigms

[Bobarian]

She needs bigger nostrils to fill that seat.

[GILMORE]

KENNEDY I LOVE YOU

RUB IT IN HER FACE

[Bam!]

I know you want to talk about Common Core, but I want to talk about universal preschool. So there!

[Derpetologist]

Lies, lies, lies.

[GILMORE]

PEOPLE, NOT MONEY

Vague Party 2016!

[kibby]

Does preschool really cancel out crappy parents? That seems hugely unlikely.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I had both, and I'm still of questionable character.

[kibby]

"Questionable" doesn't even begin to cover it, does it?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

It's questionable.

[Bam!]

$75? So she's a cheap politician.

[GILMORE]

Spiritual Politician Refuses to Address Direct Questions

[Derpetologist]

Money out of politics

[raucous, wheezing laughter]

"Of course I'm accepting contributions."

[more raucous wheezing laughter]

[JW]

Oh boy, getting the money out of politics. That's a pure win.

Beat it, Constitution molester.

[Bobarian]

False statistics on pre-school?

I understood that it fails to make a difference past 3rd grade?

[kibby]

& thank you for cornering her bs anti-corporation chatter, Matt.

[Bam!]

If Sarah Palin came from California, this would be her.

[JW]

A=HA! IT'S THE MATRIX!

[GILMORE]

Kennedy hates this bitch and just wants to expose her bullshit puffery and so do I

Thank you Indys = NOW WHY COULDNT YOU SMASH THE COMMIE LIKE THIS??

[Rev Match]

TEH KORPERATE TAKEOVERZ!
4 TEH CHILDRENZ!

With this crap and the buzzwords, it's safe to say that she would not have my vote.

[Bobarian]

Sounds like the 'Occupy Congress" movement.

[Suthenboy]

Dammit Bobarian! I had to jump up, run across the house to the computer only to discover that you are reading my mind and stealing my comments!

Jesus, is that lady 14 years old?

[GILMORE]

This woman is one big jumble of silly proggie clich?s without a shred of self-awareness that there are people in the world who understand this language for the bullshit code it is.

also, Toots is the shit

[Rufus J. Firefly]

The corporations matrix is dismantling democracy and I'm a business owner so there and I don't take money-money. Just money. Pray to Vishnu.

Did I get the gist of it?

[Bobarian]

The answer to every question could probably truthfully be 'Bill Clinton' or 'Anthony Weiner'.

Without hearing a question.

[sloopyinca]

Sidney Crosby would rather pull up short than reach in to get a shot on goal while taking a hit.

What a pussy.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Didn't see it but he does have a history of concussion. And with the playoffs around the corner, I'd meh it.

[SlV]

Moynihan goes all racist on the Eye-Tyes.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Clinton rivals Berlusconi.

[Bobarian]

Carlos Danger?

[Bam!]

Kennedy used to be a game show host, if you can believe it.

[SweatingGin]

Remote Control?

[Bam!]

Friend or Foe?

[SweatingGin]

Not ringing a bell.

[GILMORE]

They wasted more time on the goddman quiz confusion than they did beating up the dumb rich proggie spiritual congressperson

[JW]

Television on the out bump. Very nice.

[SweatingGin]

Cheryl coming up!

[Suthenboy]

I don't watch TV and I usually make snark at celebrity love, but damn, that woman is stunningly beautiful.

I have no idea who she is. When she starts talking, is it going to ruin everything for me?

[Suthenboy]

Yep. Sure did.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Yikes, this thread is just not the same without myself and Francisco d' Anconia.

[kibby]

I didn't pick up the slack, sorry. You can yell at me about it later. =(

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Nah, you and playa are the bright spots.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I'm headed to a swim up movie, and I just had Shitty Wok. There are only going to be dark spots in the pool tonight .

[SweatingGin]

I'm like 2.5 drinks in and trying to finish securing a colo box.

[JW]

All I can hear is Cheryl Tunt.

[SweatingGin]

Mind if I glue up?

[Bobarian]

All I want to hear is Cheryl Tunt

[Bobarian]

Hey, will you choke me a little bit?

[DH]

Danger Zone......

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

THE TRAIN DWARF IS TOTALLY REAL! HE WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT ME WITH HIS GROSS DWARF EYEBALLS!

[Bam!]

Just like the old gypsy woman said.

[Rev Match]

Is this a recruitment show, Kennedy? If so, you're doing it wrong.

[GILMORE]

Does The Independents need periodic 'celebrity interviews' that last longer than the rest of the show to get their funding?

Discuss.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

"I'm not libertarian. But I'm thinking of voting for the Spirit Lady. She spoke to me."

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Cap'n, it's tae much estrogen, I dinna know if I can tae any muire!

[RishJoMo]

OK wow there is a dude that knows what time it is. Wow.

http://www.GoinAnon.tk

[Bobarian]

If you're a conservative tea party organization, your likelihood of being audited has went up 1300% since 2008?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

No, they audit *all* Tea Party groups, conservative or liberal, it's just an unfortunate coincidence that there weren't any liberal ones.

[kibby]

Whoa, that segment was so fast it gave me whiplash.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

They had to make room for the actress whose name I've forgotten already.

[Bam!]

What the fuck is with this episode? It's like they gave Kennedy completely control over the show for a day and this is what she does with it.

[Bam!]

complete*

[Rufus J. Firefly]

IRS is under funded?

Less time for Bellini for a more important issue.

[GILMORE]

Bonus:

- WSJ Guy: Looking past the 'unshaven thing-with a suit'-Foul; dude seems to be the kind of guy who, like me, has to wear a suit every day and got his game down. He is one of the Millenial 'good ones' I think. Good luck bro.

[JW]

OK, I zoned out. Who the fuck is "Walter" and why should I care?

[Bobarian]

Supposed to be some punk rocker, but I'm not getting it.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

He makes that actress look articulate - like a regular Demosthenes!

[GILMORE]

OH GREAT MORE "CELEBRITY" INTERVIEWS

WTF

[JW]

AHHHH DOBBS!

[Bam!]

Lou Dobbs is a bit refreshing after watching whatever that was.

[GILMORE]

wow he's deep

[GILMORE]

ARRRGRGRGRGGOOOOOOBBSS

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Ahem...

The Independents is Firing Line for the ADHD crowd.

They better use this line in a forthcoming show.

[SweatingGin]

tl;dr

[Bobarian]

More like the McLaughlin Group, where Kennedy is Dana Carvey doing John McLaughlin

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Wayne's World without the gravitas.

[Whahappan?]

Wrong!!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"The last thing I distinctly remember before being on this show was smoking a bowl back in 1988, and everything in between is, like, a big blur."

[Bam!]

Does Kennedy miss her radio show or something?

[kibby]

I have no idea what is going on in this aftershow.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Hey, at least he isn't singing, let's count our blessings.

[GILMORE]

Nameless ex-punk-guy is boring

[kibby]

The whole show tonight has been very helpful in making me finish some homework. Not a compliment, guys.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Get outta the way, Mozart, here comes Gorilla Biscuits!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v3NGffcb1Q

[Bobarian]

That is punk rock. Are we sure this is the same guy?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

According to the Wikipedia article linked in the post, yes.

[GILMORE]

I have shopped @ Second Coming records. There's not a lot of vinyl spots in Beantown, but its one.

[kibby]

Lady: NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SON.

[SweatingGin]

I read this in Cheryl Tunt's voice.

[kibby]

I'm taking this as a compliment because Cheryl is awesome.

[GILMORE]

This is the part where I'd pretend to take a phone call and leave the bar.

[GILMORE]

How about The Independents have Walter "back" on their own time, and not expose us to this again?

[kibby]

Agreed.

[Bobarian]

Stream keeps crashing, which appears to be a good thing.

[Derpetologist]

Tales from the Derp

I heard 2 of my coworkers arguing about religion the other day. I could have ignored it. Instead, I chose the road less traveled.

In the ensuing debate with the fundy Christian, I brought up the following:

A Jewish commander named Asa supposedly killed a million Ethiopians in a single battle. Where are the bones, the shields, etc.? There is no record for this battle outside the Bible.

[A regular]

And that's the one thing keeping you from faith?

[Derpetologist]

No, but it's clear example of why the Bible is an unreliable source for history.

If you take it on faith, there's not much to argue. If you take it on the basis of history or logic, you have a lot of explaining to do.

For me, the existence of many other religions is proof enough that they are merely works of fiction.

Does anyone really believe a guy turned water into wine, walked on water, and rose from the dead?

Nonsense.

[GILMORE]

Do you also go around telling kids Santa Claus is a scam?

[Derpetologist]

No. I hold adults to a higher standard.

If we end up talking about religion, and you mention Pascal's Wager within 3 minutes, I'm sorry but you're an idiot.

[Derpetologist]

And if belief in Santa Claus was used as an excuse for various forms of hurtful stupidity, I would denounce it as well.

[GILMORE]

I think what I mean here is that you seem to think Myths are wrong *because* they're Myths.

Some people accept these myths as myths, because they serve their purposes. You don't seem to recognize the idea of accepting myths as 'useful'. in others, that is. You can do whatever you want yourself, obviously.

[Derpetologist]

The fact that an idea has useful consequences is unrelated to its truth.

I fail to see the benefit in encouraging people to believe lies.

[GILMORE]

Do you remember the Milton Friedman quote about how incentivizing 'wrong people do the right things' was the solution to the great social problem?

You are entering the area between your aspergers-esque need for 'truth' (which even Socrates had a low opinion of) and what is known as 'wisdom' - which is the ability to understand that "truth" is only as Good as it is Useful.

[GILMORE]

For further reading, I recommend the chapter in Critique of Judgement (Kant) on Aesthetic Judgement, where he explains that "Beauty" is applying our notions of The Useful (utility) to The Merely Appealing (subjective pleasure), and coming up with an abstracted belief in "Universal Subjective Utility" which we call Beauty.

because would you ever say to someone, "Look! See how the sun is setting over the mountain"

Why? What 'good' is it that you think others should experience the same thing too?

That's a myth. There's no 'truth' there. Then why do you think it's *real*?

Heavy Stuff.

[Derpetologist]

Yes, I remember.

If the desire for truth in all things is sign of mental illness, I am proud to be called insane.

[GILMORE]

I wouldn't call it an illness. Its slightly intellectually immature though.

I mean that not as an insult, because I have the highest respect for you. Just that the pre-occupation with exposing other people's needs for useful-myths does yourself no good other than to feed an immature desire for "small victories".

[Derpetologist]

Everyday, people here rightly expose and ridicule prog and other myths.

I do not go out of my way to stomp on people beliefs. I have no patience left for lies or idiocy.

[Derpetologist]

*on other people's

[A regular]

For me, the existence of many other religions flavors of ice cream is proof enough that they areis cream is merely a work of fiction.

FTFY

makes 0 sense.

[Derpetologist]

Ah, I see you have met Mr. Strawman. Well, I'm sure you have a lot of catching up to do. Cheers!

[A regular]

Do you sit outside a Mosque handing out leaflets against Allah?
Why not?

[Derpetologist]

I have done the equivalent many times. See here:

http://reason.com/blog/2014/04.....nt_4437927

[GILMORE]

Good point.

[SlV]

They burned them into ash. Like the fundy Hindu rapists did to the thousands of Muslim wimmenz in Shikha's fairytale.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I hear that thread is blowin up.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"A Jewish commander named Asa supposedly" etc.

"This account may be a legend," according to a footnote in the New American Bible. Guess where I found this?

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__PAY.HTM

[Derpetologist]

If it's legend, what else in the Bible is legend? My guess is most of it.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I'll just lay some Vatican II on you:

"12. However, since God speaks in Sacred Scripture through men in human fashion, the interpreter of Sacred Scripture, in order to see clearly what God wanted to communicate to us, should carefully investigate what meaning the sacred writers really intended, and what God wanted to manifest by means of their words.

"To search out the intention of the sacred writers, attention should be given, among other things, to "literary forms." For truth is set forth and expressed differently in texts which are variously historical, prophetic, poetic, or of other forms of discourse. The interpreter must investigate what meaning the sacred writer intended to express and actually expressed in particular circumstances by using contemporary literary forms in accordance with the situation of his own time and culture. For the correct understanding of what the sacred author wanted to assert, due attention must be paid to the customary and characteristic styles of feeling, speaking and narrating which prevailed at the time of the sacred writer, and to the patterns men normally employed at that period in their everyday dealings with one another."

http://www.vatican.va/archive/.....um_en.html

[Derpetologist]

I really have to admire the craftsmanship these slimeballs put into their lies. I'm sure it's the result of many centuries of practice.

I'd sure like to know what scriptural justification the Catlickers have for a celibate clergy, papal infallibility, the veneration of Mary, and infant baptism. I'm sure this has nothing to do do with their former efforts to prevent the translation of the Bible into common languages- something they were willing to kill people for.

A religion lead by dishonest slimeballs?
I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I'll just comment on this:

"efforts to prevent the translation of the Bible into common languages"

You may wish to examine this Catholic rebuttal to this claim. Short answer: Catholic translators put the Bible into lots of languages - a *complete* English version was a late development, and of course English-speakers tend to focus only on their own language.

http://www.cathtruth.com/catho.....rlyhis.htm

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Which is to say, the *complete* Catholic English language translation was later than the translations into other languages.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"Versions of the whole or parts of the Bible in the language of the common people first appeared in Germany in the eighth century, in France and Hungary in the twelfth, and Italy, Spain, Holland, Poland and Bohemia in the thirteenth century. (Catholic Encyclopedia.)

"In the 1500's in Italy, there were more than 40 vernacular editions of the Bible. France had 18 vernacular editions before 1547, and Spain began publishing editions in 1478, with full approval of the Spanish Inquisition.

"In all, 198 editions of the Bible were in the language of the laity, 626 editions all together, and all before the first Protestant version, and all having the full approval of the Church. (Where We Got the Bible, TAN Publishers)"

[Derpetologist]

Tyndale, Wycliffe & Lattimer

Look 'em up.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Literary criticism *was* somewhat fiercer then than now, but these three were not attacked "to prevent the translation of the Bible into common languages." It was the unorthodoxy of the specific translation and of the accompanying comments.

[Derpetologist]

Killing people over words in a book is inexcusable.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

All right, but your original claim was about " efforts to prevent the translation of the Bible into common languages."

Italian, Spanish, French, Hungarian, Polish and Czech sound like common languages to me.

[Derpetologist]

And I concede that I did not know the Catholic church approved vernacular translations before the Reformation.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Wycliffe died in his bed (they dug up and burned his remains later). He was a protege of the tyrant John of Gaunt, and advocated that the government should spiritually purify the Church by stealing her property.

While Catholic martyr John Forest was burned at the stake, Latimer gave the government-approved Protestant sermon urging Forest to become a Protestant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forest

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Not to justify offing Latimer and Tyndale, but if ever there was a case of "both sides doing it," here it was.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"HUNTSVILLE, Texas (AP) ? A man who escaped prison in his native Mexico while serving a murder sentence was executed in Texas on Wednesday for fatally beating a former Baylor University history professor and attacking his wife more than 16 years ago....

""He was among more than four dozen Mexican citizens awaiting execution in the U.S. when the International Court of Justice in The Hague, Netherlands, ruled in 2004 that they weren't properly advised of their consular rights when arrested. A measure mandated by the U.S. Supreme Court to enforce that ruling has languished in Congress.

"On Wednesday, the Mexican government's Ministry of Foreign Affairs released a statement condemning the execution.

""This is the fourth case of a Mexican being executed in clear violation of the judgment of the International Court of Justice," the ministry said. "The Government of Mexico expresses its most vigorous protest at the failure to comply.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....21687.html

[Jesus H. Christ]

Not a fan of the death penalty. Not a fan of the International Court thinking they have the authority to violate US sovereignty. At least a two time murderer does not get another chance to murder. Or so it seems.

It's fail all the way down.

[SlV]

for fatally beating a former Baylor University history professor and attacking his wife more than 16 years ago

Impossible. Mexicans only come into this country out of love.

/Jeb Bush

[Big Chief]

Looks like I'm on the way to becoming a citizen of the Land of Rand. I'm concerned I may not meet the residency requirement to try and vote out McConnell. But on the plus side I'm escaping from ever having the Browns let me down again...

[Bobarian]

Welcome aboard. There are many KY residents who frequent here.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

And it seems that commenters from out of state use some of Kentucky's products, at least while watching the Independents.

[GILMORE]

... and also whiskey.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Whiskey comes from Lynchburg.

[GILMORE]

Oh, shut up. Bourbon.

I lived in TN for 4yrs and had to sit through endless bitchfests where guys would debate who's corn-booze was more *legit*.

it was never a contest.

[GILMORE]

wait, you were talking about the weed, right?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I was referencing the Water of Life.

[GILMORE]

Shai h'uluud be praised

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I Googled that name and found a Cookie-Monster-style rock band.

[GILMORE]

Bad Joke

"In the series, the sandworms ? called Shai-Hulud /??a? h??lu?d/[2] among the Fremen of the desert planet Arrakis (Dune) ? are worshiped as manifestations of "the earth deity of Fremen hearth superstitions." The Fremen believe that the actions of the sandworms are the direct actions of God, and so the worms have been given numerous titles such as the "Great Maker", "The Maker", and the "Worm who is God."(God Emperor of Dune). Virtually indestructible and with indefinite lifespans of potentially thousands of years, the giant sandworms are also referred to as the "Old Man of the Desert", "Old Father Eternity" and "Grandfather of the Desert".[3] The worms may also be referred to by Fremen as Shaitan, post God-Emperor...
..8] A "stunted worm" is a "primitive form ... that reaches a length of only about nine meters." Their drowning by the Fremen makes them expel the awareness-spectrum narcotic known as the Water of Life.[8]"

[Big Chief]

Thanks, it's good so far. I mean, it's Spring here and Cleveland is still shaking off the vestiges of Winter. The snow stakes are gone there, but I'll be there's one more snow coming...

[kibby]

Just make sure it's all cleaned up before I come back or I'll be very upset with you.

[Big Chief]

You're a north coaster, Kibby?

[kibby]

Spent eighteen plus years in Lakewood & I've never been happier to leave anywhere!

[Big Chief]

I did 10 years on the SE side of town. People are great there, but I'm happy to be out from under those unremitting gray overcast skies!

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I know a dude from Lakewood. He had similar things to say .

[GILMORE]

Sugarfree?

There are many of it.

[SlV]

Kentucky is somewhat better than Ohio. You just have to deny the Horselocaust.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

100 year old message in a bottle found in the Baltic

On a nature hike along Germany's Baltic Coast in 1913, 20-year-old Richard Platz scrawled a note on a postcard, shoved it into a brown beer bottle, corked it and tossed it into the sea.

Where it traveled, no one knows for sure, but it was pulled out of the Baltic Sea by a fisherman last month not far from where Platz first pitched it.

It's thought to be the world's oldest message in a bottle.

The French news agency Agence France-Presse writes:

"A fisherman pulled the beer bottle with the scribbled message out of the Baltic off the northern city of Kiel last month, said Holger von Neuhoff of the International Maritime Museum in the northern port city of Hamburg.
" 'This is certainly the first time such an old message in a bottle was found, particularly with the bottle intact,' he said."
Platz was identified as the author of the note, and a Berlin-based genealogical researcher then located 62-year-old Angela Erdmann, his granddaughter. Erdmann says she never met Platz, who was her mother's father. He died in 1946 at age 54.

Erdmann visited the museum last week and was able to hold the bottle. "That was a pretty moving moment," she tells German news agency DPA. "Tears rolled down my cheeks."

The message said "The war will be short."

[Notorious G.K.C.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMCZqKowlzM

[BiMonSciFiCon]

AH! BISSELL!

[RishJoMo]

That chick is pretty hot! WOuld bang.

http://www.GotzAnon.tk