Orlando Cops' Fatal 'Knock and Talk' Tactic Leads to Lawsuit
19-year-old shot and killed after cops respond to tip about sale of marijuana


Orlando police take the alleged sale of marijuana in their city very seriously. They use a tactic called "knock and talk," where cops try to get residents to open their doors voluntarily so they can snoop around for evidence of wrongdoing. Sounds kind of skeevy, right?
Now a knock and talk that involved eight officers and ended with a fatal police shootings is yielding a lawsuit for the Orlando Police Department. Last January, cops responded to a tip about marijuana being sold by attempting a "knock and talk" that involved them peering through a porch window. Police say they saw a gun through the window, and that when 19-year-old Karvas Gamble Jr. reached for it, a cop fatally shot him in the abdomen. It was the second fatal police shooting for Orlando cops in 24 hours. Eventually, an appeals court ruled that cops can't enter porches, or backyards or patios for that matter, without permission or a warrant, but while a grand jury found the "knock and talk" poorly planned, it declined to charge cops with any crime.
Now a lawsuit over the incident is being planned by the Florida Civil Rights Association, which has already notified the city of its intent, as required by law. The association's argument, via the Orlando Sentinel:
"During the 'Knock and Talk' event, OPD officers did not simply walk up to the front door, knock, and speak with whomever answered the door. They instead surrounded the structure, hid in the backyard, looked inside windows, and were in places they had no lawful right to be," the Florida Civil Rights Association stated in a news release.
More evidence of the destructiveness of the war on drugs, and the need for stricter police standards.
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It's getting to be that you have to live in a fortified bunker to not be shot these days.
Living in a fortified bunker is sufficient to justify calling in a tank. Because, why would you have a bunker unless you were doing something illegal?
Because that helped in Waco!
Well, we've learned that it also needs to be fire-resistant.
That lesson was learned in Philly. BTW, the whole neighborhood needs to be fire-resistant.
Bunker is asking for trouble. The best policy is to avoid any contact with police at all.
Police say they saw a gun through the window, and that when 19-year-old Karvas Gamble Jr. reached for it, a cop fatally shot him in the abdomen.
Of curse, this was necessitated by OFFICER SAFETY protocol.
But, just for fun, consider the possibility that Mister gamble merely wanted to move the thing out of sight, and had no intention whatsoever of shooting anybody with it.
Crazy, right?
Or maybe he didn't know who was at the door and was grabbing it for personal protection? I know, crazy that someone might want to protect their home using their constitutionally guaranteed rights, but it is possible, isn't it?
That's asinine! Only police are allowed to defend themselves. No one has a need for a gun in their home EVER, well, except our wonderful Democratic legislators.
/statist douchebag
All I know is that if I saw/heard a bunch of movement around my house and then an aggressive knock at the door I would be readying myself to protect my home. I know it is asinine, crazy and irresponsible all at the same time, but hey, that's me.
And if any of the invading cops saw you readying to protect yourself, they would be justified in killing you.
Yeah, I know and that makes me sad. I live in the "right" neighborhood and am the "right" color, so hopefully that will never happen to me. Statistically I have an edge. But it makes me very sad for all of the good people that are assaulted by the war on drugs and have to live in constant fear from those that are supposed to "serve and protect" just because they have the "wrong" look or income.
I remember when I had long hair the cops would stop and harass me every single time they saw me. Cut it off and suddenly they left me alone. It was weird.
It would suck to have some attribute that attracts the cops' attention that you could not change.
Yup. I have a good friend. Good job, plays golf, wears the most yuppie chinos and other crap you can imagine. Dude acts whiter than anybody I know. Wife, kids, suburban home, all that. He isn't afraid of being discriminated against in the workplace or in social situations. He has a good life because he has worked hard to make it that way. His fear is getting shot by some trigger-happy cop on a routine traffic stop because he has dark skin. Tragic that it is reasonable for him to feel that way.
Fortunately, all of The King's Men went home safely. The deaths of a few peasants are of little concern.
Now a lawsuit over the incident is being planned by the Florida Civil Rights Association, which has already notified the city of its intent, as required by law. The association's argument, via the Orlando Sentinel:
For $5 million, you can get this here get-out-of-jail card.
"fatally shot him in the abdomen".
I'm no Doctor (or Lawyer), but how instantly can someone die from an abdomen wound if they get medical attention relatively quickly? I presume the wound would have to be arterial?
Or perhaps Orlando police let him bleed out?
Or perhaps Orlando police let him bleed out?
Well, they had to make sure the house was secure and finish their search before they could allow any paramedics onto the scene. Because OFFICER SAFETY.
I just made that up, but that sadly sounds like exactly the kind of logic they'd use to justify letting someone bleed out.
The exact same thing happened in Arizona last year, didn't it?
You must have missed the OPD's officer briefing. You know, the one with the cool animated PowerPoint slides and the catchy slogan, "LET 'EM BLEED AND FIND THE WEED!"
Less than a minute, especially if hit in the liver or the abdominal aorta. Even immediate pressure on either wound will prove futile.
Stupid PUNK cops. Its PUNK cops liek this I just LOVE to hear about in the news that get clipped in the line of duty!
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I suppose a cop has the same right as anyone to knock on someone's door for a casual chat. But it's pretty hard to make the case that 8 cops surrounding a house are there for a casual chat and anything besides going to the front door is pretty clearly trespassing.
Officer safety. Duh. Need to have a gun trained on every door and window, just in case.
What about officer safety? You walk up to a front door and knock politely, but what happens if the perps sneak out the back and surround you?
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