Tonight on The Independents: Ukraine, Venezuela, North Korea, NSA, Minimum Wage, Judge Napolitano, John Bolton, Michael Moynihan…Plus Your Live Phone Calls in the After-Show!

The world's on fire, so The Independents tonight (9 pm ET, 6 pm PT, repeats three hours later) will be talking about the world. Panelists Michael C. Moynihan of The Daily Beast (Reason archive here) and Scottie Nell Hughes of the Tea Party News Network will talk about the latest clashes between the opposition and the government in Venezuela. Also scheduled to be on the show on the ground from bloody, clash-wrecked Kiev is reporter Alexander Kleimenov. Former United Nations ambassador John Bolton will chime in to discuss the Iranian nukes deal and the latest horrifying reports to come out of North Korea.

Tired of the world? How about Fox News Senior Judicial Analyst and Reason.com columnist Andrew Napolitano talking about how Director of National Intelligence James Clapper is a big fat liar? Or the federal minimum wage, an increase of which the Congressional Budget Office predicts will reduce the net number of jobs? Or perhaps you want to hear Kmele Foster talk about why it's okay for Kansas to legalize business-place discrimination against gays?

There will still be time to discuss naked dating, Edward Snowden action figures, Jones Act salt barges, and more. BUT MOST EXCITING is that the sexy online-only after show, streamed on the show website at 10 pm, will include YOUR PHONE CALLS. The phone number, which you really need to not call until then, is 1-877-249-9626. And as always, send your tweets at #indFBN, and some can and will be used against you.

Comments

[Archduke von Pantsfan]

COMRADE INDEPENDENTS, JOIN AS ONE!

[Ska]

Ya vas... ya vas lublu.

Ya. Vas. Lyublyu.

What's'it mean?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Yeah, yeah.

/zips pants.

[Bam!]

That's 1-887-BIZ-XMAN for easy remembering.

[Palin's Buttplug]

How did John Bolton, who can't think of a war he doesn't love, get to be an honorary Reason libertarian?

[SweatingGin]

They had Weiner on, too. And the commie.

[Palin's Buttplug]

So they rightfully ridicule Bolton to his face after every word he says?

[SweatingGin]

Just like they did Weiner and the Commie.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Now I wish Charter carried FBN.

[SweatingGin]

I was being sarcastic.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Damn you. You had my hopes up that Reasonoids would actually attack Team Red fascists for once.

[Suthenboy]

Bolton has been excoriated many times here. There is no love for him here you fucking liar.

[Corning]

You missed sweatinggin's joke Shrike.

They did not rip the commie and wiener as some of would have hoped.

I am sure they will rip Bolton but probably not as much as we would hope.

[SweatingGin]

Oh jeez, a phone number to call in to?

First caller starts off normal, then launches in to really fast speak trying to get as much out about building 7 as he can before they hang up and pretend to ignore.

The classic CSPAN.

[Archduke von Pantsfan]

I wonder if our friend Orange Line Special will give a ringyding ding?

[SweatingGin]

I wasn't going to stay up for it, but just the chance of a lone wacko sighting might keep me up.

[Palin's Buttplug]

GO TO NEOCONZIONISTSFORISRAEL.COM!

(CSpan callers)

[kibby]

I feel like they're going to spend roughly thirty seconds on each of these topics.

[SweatingGin]

So it's going to be moving slow tonight?

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Well if you total up the time everyone spends talking while talking over each other it's more than that.

[kibby]

Excellent point.

[Francisco d Anconia]

INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!

[Episiarch]

So very premature.

[Francisco d Anconia]

ate fitty

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzgViS4Rpf8

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Yeah, yeah.

/zips pants.

Again.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

SadBeard is quick to spin the CBO report

The outcome that the CBO is forecasting?an outcome where you get a small amount of disemployment that's vastly outweighed by the increase in income among low-wage families writ large?is the outcome that you want.

Unless you're one of those half a million people that lose their job. But fuck them, right?

If $10.10 an hour would raise incomes and cost zero jobs, then why not go up to $11 and raise incomes even more at the cost of a little bit of disemployment?

Just the tip.

Of course politics is politics. And in politics, you always want to say that you have policies where folks can have their cake and eat it too. But logically speaking, the overall goal of economic policy isn't to maximize employment, it's to maximize prosperity. A minimum wage hike with a small but real disemployment impact is the minimum wage hike you want.

And fewer people making slightly more money is the key to prosperity because...multiplier effect?

[Sevo]

"an outcome where you get a small amount of disemployment that's vastly outweighed by the increase in income among low-wage families writ large?"

Man, you need to wear boots around that sort of a shitpile.
"small amount" = 500K jobs, "vastly outweighed" by 100K people getting an increase that moves them above an arbitrary value.
What a fucking liar; as bad as Obo.

[SusanM]

"disemployment"? Is that like "the mobility pool" or being "rightsized"?

[SweatingGin]

Think more "with camps"

[SusanM]

Hey, maybe Obama will get some shovel-ready jobs after all...

[Don Mynack]

"But logically speaking, the overall goal of economic policy isn't to maximize employment, it's to maximize prosperity"

Something no liberal will ever admit ever. I wish they would follow through on this any other area (i.e. taxes and regulations over small business). I might be talked into supporting this if it included a minimum wage freeze (or even drop) for younger part-time workers, in order to get them into the work force. We are losing a generation of young people who can't get that first part-time job because some adult loser already has it, or the the cost is too high.

[SweatingGin]

"The phone number, which you really need to not call until then"

Why must you tempt us so?!?

You've awakened the thirteen year old boy in all of us!

[kibby]

You've already rung it twenty-five times, haven't you?

[SweatingGin]

Posted it on the bathroom wall of the internet.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

+1 Prince Albert in a can

[Episiarch]

Kennedy as earring-less Ms. Santa Claus. Interesting look, Kennedy.

(rolls eyes)

[Fist of Etiquette]

This intro makes a mockery of our flag.

[Ted S.]

Welcome back.

[Fist of Etiquette]

All your concerns were addressed in PM Links.

[Ted S.]

Now I gotta go back and read a dead thread? 🙁

[Fist of Etiquette]

I get a kickback every time I get someone to do that.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

By the time I clocked in, the PM links had already moved out of the top page so I assumed there was none.

Annoying.

Other than that, caught parts of the PSG/Lever. and Barca/City matches today.

Ooo, nelly.

[Ted S.]

All that oil money is really helping PSG.

Now if Bayern can just win tomorrow.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Ibra was a beast.

[Rhywun]

And I'm sure he'll be letting everyone know about it in the coming days. Man what an arrogant SOB he is.

[Rhywun]

Hm - I can either watch Bar?a v City in Spanish now... or in fuzzy-vision at 10. Thanks, FOX.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

It was a meh game. Especially after the red card. So don't feel bad.

[Rhywun]

Well, Munich tomorrow is the only match I give a crap about... and yet again it's prime-time Spanish. W. T. F.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I don't fancy Milan against Atletico.

So I'm gonna sit this one out and just enjoy the games where possible.

[Rhywun]

I don't fancy Milan against Atletico.

I can't watch that one at all. WTF Fox? Oh well, if I hear secondhand that Milan lose, it will have to do.

[RannedPall]

Bar?a won me $20, albeit from a Mexican line cook at the restaurant I work at who bets on anything, but twenty sweet fiat dollars nonetheless.

[Rhywun]

I would not bet against Barcelona - that's just stupid.

[RannedPall]

I've won the previous 4 bets we've had, so he's really on a mission to win at least some of his money back, but damn his picks keep the cash flow steady.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Barca is beatable.

[Ted S.]

How wide is this "lane" you're plowing? Because 1000 feet of hill doesn't take me even clsoe to half that time to plow.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Severe drifting and already large walls of snow lining both sides made things difficult. And it's western PA, so there are hills aplenty.

[Episiarch]

AIGGHHH MATT

[Francisco d Anconia]

Granny dress?

[Episiarch]

Look above, slow guy.

[Bam!]

Phone call? What century is this?

[Ted S.]

What calendar are you using?

[Fist of Etiquette]

They're starting the call-in portion of the after show early!

[Derpetologist]

Had a chat with neoconish work buddy about North Korea. His take was basically US = World Police. My take was that the US is broke, has pissed off many of its allies (who are also broke), and would gain nothing from offing Kim #3. Plus such an action even if successful would surely unleash a torrent of bloodshed.

In the landscape of good and evil, the highest peak I can see is Mt. Mind your own business.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

It's pretty evil what goes on in North Korea. My wife was watching in horror and said, 'shouldn't the world do something?' I think that's the first reaction of people. It's only natural you want to help fellow humans. Problem is politics is involved.

Rodman. You're a fucking loser for taken in a psycho as a friend.

[Derpetologist]

The amazing thing to me is that we are still giving them aid- and most likely none of it is going to the people who need it. We're propping them up.

[Tejicano]

Jeez, NoKor has been a living hell for 50 or 60 years. Why we should notice and get involved now is beyond me.

Frankly, I hope they can be pushed to the brink so the PRC feels it has to do something. My bet is that the Chinese will announce (after the fact) they are sendng in a couple divisions to "put down a military coup" - and then say they sadly showed up too late to save lil' Kim.

[Max Power]

You're not supposed to call the number because it would be embarrassing if this guy called all the way from Kiev and got a busy signal.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Good question, Welch. Are they exercising their 2nd Amendment rights?

[Episiarch]

The guy doing the Ukrainian reporting sounds like he took way too much Xanax before getting on the phone. He's putting me to sleep.

[Ted S.]

I believe it's 4AM over in Ukraine right now.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Figures Moynihan would wear a scarf. Double figures that he would forget it.

[Francisco d Anconia]

I see Kennedy's nipples.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Are they pert or more like pancakes?

[Max Power]

Moynihan looks particularly pale sitting next to that tea-party spray-tan lady.

[Lady Bertrum]

He worries me.

[Episiarch]

Of course this is all they have left, Matt. It's simple class war.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Even Krugman agreed that some jobs are expendable.

[Ted S.]

Op-ed writers are certainly expendable.

[Bill Dalasio]

From "If you like your job, you can keep it." to "Those were junk jobs, anyway."

[Smilin' Joe Fission]

Just agreed to rent an apartment on Liberty Street, near the water boiler I'll be working at.

I'm not going to lie, the street name helped influence my decisions.

[Episiarch]

I think that was the most incoherent I've ever heard Kmele be. Is he drunk? Man I hope so.

[Fist of Etiquette]

THIS JUST IN: KMELE FOSTER DEMANDS AN INCREASE IN THE MINIMUM WAGE.

[Fist of Etiquette]

It's a fairly easy concept for most people to misunderstand.

[Fist of Etiquette]

He's losing support from his base because there's no presidential election with him on the ballot coming up.

[Episiarch]

I'm pretty sure that Obama is losing his base because he's a pitifully incompetent liar.

[kibby]

I realllllly want to punch this woman in her spray-tanned face. Can't put my finger on why, but man...she just does not agree with me.

[Episiarch]

She's the TEAM RED equivalent of TEAM BLUE smug. It was bugging me too.

[kibby]

Oh no, Epi agrees with me! I have to go take a bleach shower now.

[Episiarch]

You're on a thread with FoE, so you really would have needed one anyway.

[kibby]

I really ought to invest in a haz mat suit.

[Fist of Etiquette]

You're all going on my two minutes of hate.

[Max Power]

She looks like she would be on that show where the little kids are in beauty pageants.

[kibby]

Oh my heck, she totally does.

[Ted S.]

Ooh, cat fight! 😉

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Rawr, rawr!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Moynihan is finding out that even when you're making your point or solidly on your way to making your point, Kennedy will get in there like a speed bump in the middle of I-80.

[Episiarch]

Thank Jeebus, a commercial. Now I can peel some garlic.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Moynihan was in Venezuela? He's the Sean Penn of cads.

[Episiarch]

So you're saying Moynihan is the Spicoli of reason?

DUDE THAT WAS HIS SKULL

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Moynihan is the I Am Sam of Reason.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Without the Phobe Cates scene.

[Episiarch]

So, mostly worthless?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Venezuela, coming soon to an America near you!

[Episiarch]

Oh look, the TEAM RED chick wants to instill a different regime in Venezuela. Yay.

[kibby]

I like Matt's immediate reaction to that of...what the fuck is wrong with you, lady.

[Episiarch]

"We...and put."

[Derpetologist]

The US overthrow a government in South America?

That's crazy talk!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Oh, Oliver.

[Episiarch]

Projection, thy name is Oliver.

[Fist of Etiquette]

He's laughing at ya. That's the way the leftist laughs.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

50.3% is a mandate if there ever was one. Social contract, read it if you can find it.

[Bam!]

Wave that flag, spray-tan lady.

[SweatingGin]

wow, she went around the bend there. "if you use hairspray... or aresol"

Totally spray tan guilt.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Once again hairspray derails a conversation.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

I think it's a better musical than Grease.

[kibby]

They're both terrible.

[Ken Shultz]

"Former United Nations ambassador John Bolton will chime in to discuss the Iranian nukes deal and the latest horrifying reports to come out of North Korea."

John Bolton?! Fuck John Bolton!

He's gotta be on the top ten list for Worst Enemies of American Liberty since the millennium.

Welch once joined arguments in comments (search the archives) about who looks more like the The Abominable Dr. Phibes: Ratzinger or John Bolton?

http://tinyurl.com/l4zq25x

Since you'll have seen him in person, Matt, you gotta tell us who wins.

In my opinion, what Dr. Phibes did wasn't anywhere near as evil as what John Bolton is said to have done. Dr. Phibes only killed nine people! How many American troops died becasue of John Bolton?

http://www.antiwar.com/mcgovern/?articleid=5934

...not to mention all the Iraqi civilians.

Have John Bolton in to talk about Iran's nuclear weapons program?! How you guys gonna top that next week? What, are you gonna discuss prison conditions in Putin's Russia with John Yoo?!

[Ted S.]

And yet Shreeky thinks we love Bolton here.

Perhaps he's thinking of Michael Bolton, but even then I don't know anybody here who likes him.

[kibby]

Maybe he thinks we're fans of the Dreadfort.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

House Bolton does have an awesome choir.

http://youtu.be/vPA0BmlNd20

[Palin's Buttplug]

Red Eye loves him. Every time I have to do my 3:15 piss Greg Gutfeld is giving his war-boner a smooch.

[SweatingGin]

just to... guess a little here...

You get up to piss at 3:15am, and fox news is still on?

You know you can turn it off, right? It's not a telescreen (yet).

[Palin's Buttplug]

You evade the relevant part of my comment.

[SweatingGin]

It's really not the interesting part of it. Really don't care about what FoxNews has on at 3:15, or what Greg Gutfeld's view of Bolton is.

[Palin's Buttplug]

I am like Diogenes - forever looking for a shred of truth on Fox News.

[Derpetologist]

Handy, is there something you'd like to tell Mr. B?

[Corning]

Did Diogenes role in like a tidal wave a shit, accuse everyone at hit and run of being nazi christfags and then when people responded predictably by throwing the shit back took it as confirmation that everyone is a nazi christfag?

[Pro Libertate]

Something you should know about Diogenes (from Wikipedia, but jibes with what I've read):

"Diogenes is said to have eaten in the marketplace, urinated on some people who insulted him, defecated in the theatre, masturbated in public, and pointed at people with his middle finger."

[Corning]

Yeah a history professor told me he would go to banquets and jerk off and cum on the food.

I have a funny thing there was more to him then just that.

Simply because he did not die at young age with a spear in his belly.

One does not get Alexander the Great to say "If I was not Alexander i would want to be Diogenes" or Plato to call him the "mad Socrates" without being more then Athens' crazy bum living in a bath tub down by the beach.

[Don Mynack]

I once saw Michael Bolton get off a boat in Ft. Lauderdale.

[JeremyR]

Yes, because Saddam never hurt any civilians. I'm sure the Kurds are happy to know that...

[JeremyR]

I don't like Bolton, but it's not like Iraq was a paradise.

[Ken Shultz]

Who said it was?!

[Ken Shultz]

You don't seem to get it.

We invaded Iraq becasue:

1) Americans thought that Saddam Hussein was personally complicit in 9/11.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com.....iraq_x.htm

Notice that poll was taken six months AFTER we invaded Iraq.

2) Because we thought Saddam Hussein had an active WMD program (including weaponized anthrax).

Both of these misconceptions were not entirely divorced from Colin Powell's and President Bush's statements supporting them--both to the UN and in President Bush's infamous State of the Union address. ...and those statements, by all the accounts I've read, can be traced back to John Fucking Bolton.

John Bolton tried to have intelligence analysts fired for coming to the wrong conclusions!

I've read accounts that say the reason John Bolton couldn't get confirmed to his UN post was becasue Colin Powell lobbied the Senate committee, personally, and told them that he'd been intentionally misled by John Bolton.

Trillions of taxpayer dollars spent on Iraq. Thousands of American casualties. Millions of suffering Iraqi civilians. It isn't all John Bolton's fault, but you think I'm going to overlook Bolton's apparent role in that sham because Saddam Hussein was also a piece of shit?!

[Cytotoxic]

Trillions of taxpayer dollars spent on Iraq. Thousands of American casualties. Millions of suffering Iraqi civilians. It isn't all John Bolton's fault

None of it is-at least not the deaths where nation-building wasn't involved. The Rubicon was crossed in Desert Storm. Bush the first made an even worse decision when he left Sadaam in power.

Oh and Sadaam did have WMDs. He also supported various Sundry terrorist organizations, and was probably flirting with AQ.

[Ken Shultz]

"Bush the first made an even worse decision when he left Sadaam in power."

All the good reasons not to invade Iraq in 1991 were still good reasons not to invade in 2003.

Removing a check on Iran?

Igniting a regional ethnic/religious conflict?

Questionable strategic interests for the United States?

No clear exit strategy before going in?

All excellent reasons not to invade.

Still excellent reasons today--why we shouldn't have invaded.

[Cytotoxic]

Removing a check on Iran?

You...you actually believe this? I'd ask for evidence that Iraq acted as a 'check' on Iran but I know you don't have any. The many members of Iranian terrorism from 1991 onward are unavailable for comment.

Igniting a regional ethnic/religious conflict?

Not our problem.

Questionable strategic interests for the United States

The creation of Kurdistan made it worth it on its own.

No clear exit strategy before going in?

The strategy was clear: leave.

You are now 100% fisked.

[Cytotoxic]

Calling out Bolton as a douche and a fool is one proper thing, using 'antiwar'.com as a source for anything ever is arguably even more foolish. Seriously, fuck antiwar.com.

Bolton was right to push for Sadaam's overthrow. We are better off for it. He was wrong to push for nation building.

[Ken Shultz]

The truth is where you find it.

You got factual problems with what they're saying, they provided plenty of links.

If Kos wrote a piece saying that ObamaCare was a steaming pile because it limited consumer choice, hurt the quality of care, was ridiculously expensive, and made a mockery of our constitutional rights, you think I'd disagree with them just because it came from Kos?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

http://content.usatoday.com/co.....wQU915SKqQ

Remember this?

Success!

[SweatingGin]

Heh. I worked at a place stringing fiber with stimulus bucks back then. Took ages to get environmental impact studies done, and this was for *stringing another piece of fiber on already existing utility poles*

[Bam!]

I'm not going to use UPS just because the delivery guy has a kid who plays hockey.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Am I going to Sandals or am I buying Belize? Make up your mind, Fox Biz.

[Fist of Etiquette]

And now Dish joins our program already in progress.

[SweatingGin]

I made the joke last week, but the judge's hair really is getting darker. I think he really is aging backwards.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Did he sell his soul to the Devil?

[kibby]

Um, since when do libertarians have souls?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Good point. I only managed to keep mind because I'm a kickass fiddle player.

[Francisco d Anconia]

+1 gold violin

[Tejicano]

Heck, why do you think I keep the orphans around? I get to sell their souls in bulk for trinkets and snacks.

[Fist of Etiquette]

We would have had ten years to amend the Constitution.

[Episiarch]

I think the judge looks even more ridiculously stereotypically Italian than my grandfather. Damn.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

I don't think the Judge brings a knife to a gunfight.

[Episiarch]

Who actually ended up walking away from that particular confrontation?

[kibby]

Matt & the judge being judicial nerds. Loving this.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Not for nothing, but the Judge claimed after the "passing" of Obamacare that no one would have standing to challenge it in the Supreme Court until after it was put in practice.

[Fist of Etiquette]

"I really thing the Congress has a handle on this."

That can only be said of Post Office namings.

[SweatingGin]

Or bills to rename post offices, but which actually raise debt ceilings unconditionally.

[Ted S.]

One wonders how much money is spent on such bills renaming post offices.

[Fist of Etiquette]

New Jerksey suffers hypertension.

[Episiarch]

AAG DON'T TAKE A SHIT WITHOUT A PLAN

Sorry, Fred Thompson does that to me.

[Ted S.]

He takes your shit?

[Bam!]

Jones Act is up there with that pickle law from yesterday.

[kibby]

"Like a man...or something." Ohhhkay, Matt?

[Episiarch]

What is Matt compensating for? We all want to know.

[kibby]

We could ask the same of you.

[Episiarch]

My list is far too long. Just pick something. Anything, really.

[Ted S.]

I'm a man.

[kibby]

I think the appropriate response was the song from Orgazmo, actually.

[Ted S.]

Nobody's perfect.

[kibby]

Hey, you try. That's all that matters sometimes.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Whoa, either we aren't live or they started prematurely before we got back from break.

[SweatingGin]

Welch with the Jones Act rage
++

[Episiarch]

Yo queiro Taco Bell?

[Fist of Etiquette]

My sister has a Chihuahua. It yips and bites at random.

[Episiarch]

That's what she said, Kennedy.

[kibby]

We have no packs of chihuahuas around my place. Maybe it's a Phoenix problem.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I bet Welch's man of the year can take a cruise like a man.

[Episiarch]

You're clearly going to the wrong nude beaches, Kennedy.

[Bam!]

Will Kennedy mention Bolton's womb broom?

[kibby]

My ovaries just dried up. Thanks.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Did I miss the joke about Kennedy being nude?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Is Kmele saying he can't keep his eyes off naked women on a nude beach or that women wouldn't be able to take their eyes off him?

Not sure why else his marital status would keep him from going.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Wile out with your willy out.

[Bam!]

Why is that old man bathing while wearing swimming trunks?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Never-nude.

[kibby]

There are DOZENS of us! DOZENS!!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Well women can actually look good topless and in cutoff shorts.

[SweatingGin]

One of us! Gooble Gobble One of us!

Nick Gillespie
?@nickgillespie
What did @Kmele do with the money his mother gave him for singing lessons? Shoot a couch amid skin it for a sports jacket? @Independentsfbn

[Episiarch]

He can't win for Two Minutes Hate! That's no fair! He has an inside track! Damn Jambi!

[GILMORE]

First off, where the fuck does Gillespie get off thinking he can comment about other people's taste in *jackets*? he gave up those privileges a decade ago. Plus, we will always have Nick's fu-manchu at disposal anytime he gives ANYONE shit.

http://images.tbd.com/pictures.....he_606.jpg

as they say = "Never Forget"

and for the record, Kmele's sportcoat is (if I can tell @ a distance) a woven tweed wool like Donegal...which is completely apropos this time of year.

http://www.brooksbrothers.com/.....lt,pd.html

in my opinion.

[Episiarch]

Please never say "President Bolton" again, Kennedy.

[Bam!]

Starts with regime change.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Kennedy's little pony is soft and cuddly?

[SweatingGin]

she has it on a book cover, right?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Why should I change my name? He's the one who sucks.

[Derpetologist]

Q: What's the difference between Michael Bolton and John Bolton?

A: One is a no-talent assclown and the other is Michael Bolton.

ZING!

Try the waitress and tip the veal!

[kibby]

Roose dislikes this comment.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I guess Bolton wasn't going to say the US objective is to dialogue with the N Korean regime, pursue mutual blah blah, etc.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Because we don't have enough on our plate without planning the demise of other countries.

[Bam!]

Stop picking Bolton's brain and start beating him senseless.

[kibby]

Twenty thousand fourteen, Matt? Really?

[Bam!]

Oh, really? South Korea wants free American troops?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Bolton wants an all North Korea.

[Episiarch]

Yeah, because Germany and Korea are like, totally the same thing, John.

[Pi Guy]

End NOK?

Derp, Ph.D. already hit this. We're the world's police force, of course.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Terrible rebuttal by Kennedy.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Yes, there should be one Korea, and China is the country to do it. But what's in it for them? Will the South swallow it and remain in the US orbit?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

China would presumably want the US out of a united Korea plus guarantees we won't be back.

[Episiarch]

I was hoping this razor commercial would venture into straight razor territory, but alas, no.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

It's "Ukraine," not *the* Ukraine.

[Francisco d Anconia]

It's 405, not the 405.

[GILMORE]

The say that about CIA.

(from Good Shepherd = "...do you put the word "the" in front of "God"?")

But I thought it WAS "The" with Ukraine. Because it has traditionally been a 'region' but not a 'country/nation'.

Fuck, Nyquil-brain.

[hotsy totsy]

It's THE United States so don't think being a country/nation has much to do with it.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Um...Lincoln?

[SweatingGin]

Matt did some homework for this one.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Wake up, Moynihan.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Why do we still have NATO?

[Bam!]

You don't think the US should be committed to defending a large clutch of nations?

[Francisco d Anconia]

So every European member can protect their country on our dime.

[Derpetologist]

You wouldn't want all those hats and flags to go to waste, would you?

Besides, we still need them to give wacky names to all the new Russian crap.

Akula rhymes with Awooga!

[Episiarch]

What is with the high level of respect and time given to fucking politicians and bureaucrats on this damn show? First Weiner, and now Bolton gets kid gloves. These are the people you should be defenestrating, not being nice to. Fuck.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

If you go around insulting people who disagree, soon you'll just have a echo chamber, and it will be a bunch of "I agrees" like one of those Socrates books by Plato.

[Sevo]

If you agree with every idjit you have as a guest, you won't have to wait for the "I agrees".

[Cytotoxic]

They don't need to be insulting just bitingly harsh.

[Sevo]

As I understand it, that commie kid also got gentle treatment.

[kibby]

I had a Georgian Latin teacher! That's my only contribution here.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Did he look like Stalin?

[kibby]

No, he was crazy hot. It was really distracting trying to learn.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

I've never had a hot female professor (though plenty of hot female TAs), so I consider you lucky.

[kibby]

He was a grad student, so it didn't really count. The grad student I had before him was also insanely good looking. I have no idea when handsome men decided they should all get MAs in Latin Philology, but it was a good time to take it, that's for sure.

My Greek prof was pretty cute, though, in an adorkable, nerdy sort of way.

[SweatingGin]

I don't feel tardy

[Derpetologist]

I was thinking the other Georgia.

"Romanares eunt domus? Folks called Romans they go the house?! Now boy, you know that ain't right."

[kibby]

Haaaaa, Boris did show us that in class at some point. Because most of the kids in there had never seen it.

[Pi Guy]

Jeebus. Moynihan can speak Russian?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Plus a lot of great footage from shower cams.

[SweatingGin]

I zoned out at the wrong time again, apparently.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Ah, Kmele Foster on the right to discriminate. This is when we'll see if anyone is watching - the proof will be if they start calling him a bigot hater hateful bigot hatey-bigot.

[Pi Guy]

Needz moar bigot. And hate.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Mediaite will probably pick up on it and maybe Raw Story. They'll call him an Uncle Tom and self-hating Negroe.

[Episiarch]

After what he just said about the CRA, your joke might come true.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

"Rand Paul's House Negro at Fox News!"

//Rawtard comment

[SPG_900]

Uncle Tom? no. Jessie Jackson will just threaten to cut off his nuts

[Fist of Etiquette]

Rachel Maddow is going to have an issue with Kmele Foster.

[kibby]

I would pay good money to see him destroy her.

[Fist of Etiquette]

It would be interesting to see her go-to avenues of assault closed off to her and his knowledge of the subject hitting her hard.

[kibby]

It would be beautiful.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

A homophobe in Oklahoma put a "no faggots" sign outside his bar and the internet responded by advertising it as a drag bar.

Social media and public outcry can handle stuff like that.

[Episiarch]

Yeah, but for some people that's not nearly as satisfying as having the hammer of the state come down on people who do things they don't like with their own property.

[SIV]

The coverage described it as a restaurant yet there were no reviews on the Enid,OK Urbanspoon and the very first Yelp review was one of the gay pranks.

[Fist of Etiquette]

That seems like more of a prank on gay, would-be customers.

[Episiarch]

Kmele once again shows why he's the best panelist on the show.

[SweatingGin]

++

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lou Dobbs.

[Episiarch]

Hey, it's Lou! I'm getting used to him!

AIIIGGHHHH

[SweatingGin]

Here comes danger!

[Francisco d Anconia]

You ran out of time cause you tried to pack too much shit in one sock.

[kibby]

Oddly, tonight was one of the few where I didn't feel like three quarters of the topics were rushed through without getting real discussion.

[kibby]

So which one of you terrible people is going to embarrass us?

[Sevo]

You mean someone to ask why we're getting Oprah at night?

[Francisco d Anconia]

I dare, that someone to mention her nipples.

[Bam!]

I wonder if they're using call-in aftershow as a dry run for a call-in real show.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Call-in shows are generally - no, universally - terrible endeavors.

[Episiarch]

Unless it's Robin Williams in Vietnam, amirite? Huh?

[JeremyR]

While that's true, the show is followed by a re-run of Lou Dobbs

[Archduke von Pantsfan]

"FIRE THE COACH ALREADY!!!"

[Fist of Etiquette]

The video is skipping and repeating for me.

[kibby]

Me, too.

[SweatingGin]

I was just about to gripe about that.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

yes

[Notorious G.K.C.]

...and that's how I escaped from North Kor...yes...start calling him a bigot...was totally naked...and then the chicken...

[Francisco d Anconia]

me 2

[Fist of Etiquette]

People actually going to Fox Biz's website. They're not set up for more than five visitors at a time.

Fuck it. I'm bailing.

[JeremyR]

So basically half their TV audience?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Yep

[Archduke von Pantsfan]

You have to start your call with "long time, first time"

[SweatingGin]

Mega Kennedys, Ditto.

[Bam!]

Mega Kmele's, more likely.

[kibby]

Well if the stream is going to continue to not work, I fail to see why I'm paying for it.

Oh, wait...dammit.

[SPG_900]

Sorry, but what is the link for this? I tried last night and got a thing with Kennedy interviewing something about central park..

"Hello, Mr. Obvious show"

(caller) "is this the Mr. Obvious show?"

"Yes it is(snickers)"

[Fist of Etiquette]

You have to click the "watch live" at the top. Then you can truly be frustrated.

[SPG_900]

likewise. same as yesterday.

[Bam!]

It sounds funny. I wish it wasn't buffering.

[SweatingGin]

"You know who this is, right?"

"No"

"Yea, it's me, the guy who sits there and t"

BUFFERING!!!

[SweatingGin]

And the guy's voice is just odd enough that you know it'll be a good call. Timecube or something crazy like that.

[Archduke von Pantsfan]

Well, Munich tomorrow is the only match I give a crap about... and yet again it's prime-time Spanish. W. T. F.

I'd like you to meet my friend first row sports.

[Bam!]

Post what snippets you're hearing.

CIA in connection with the Clinton's.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

The feed I'm getting is choppy as hell.

[Sevo]

Did anyone beat on Obo's folks claiming the CBO is a big meanie?

[SweatingGin]

I clicked 'go live' on the bar at the bottom, and it worked for at least several seconds now.

[kibby]

Well aren't you mister lucky pants? I can't get anything from it now, so I'm blaming you for that.

[SweatingGin]

no, it's back to stopped now.

[kibby]

SUFFER WITH ME.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

I was thinking of calling in, but I have no idea what has and hasn't been discussed.

Also I'd be tempted to read one of Matthew McConaughey's monologues from 'True Detective'.

[kibby]

Oh dear gosh, yes. Next time they do one of these (where we can all actually watch), you MUST.

[SweatingGin]

Just play some Brando clips from apocalypse now. Or see how far you can get into Galt's speech. Or, of course, the ever populate CSPAN truther caller trick.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

There's also the speeches of Judge Holden from Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian.

And I'd rather recreate Dennis Hopper's rants, only in paean to Kmele.

[Irish]

For whoever makes makes a shelter of reeds and hides has joined his spirit to the common destiny of creatures and he will subside back into the primal mud with scarcely a cry. But who builds in stone seeks to alter the structure of the universe and so it was with these masons however primitive their works may seem to us.

Judge Holden is the best.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Scariest character in all of American literature, IMO. That last chapter when it dawns on the reader that he's not human is just chilling.

That and the ambiguity of what happens to the Kid at the end. I don't know how it could possibly ever be filmed and done justice.

[Irish]

"There are broader ideas at work, mainly what is owed by us to society for the value of our mutual illusions. All your love all your hate all your memory, all your pain, it was all the same dream, a dream you had inside a locked room. A dream about being a person. And like a lot of dreams...there was a monster at the end of it.

So, I guess my question is, do you guys think Rand Paul has much of a chance in 2016?"

[Notorious G.K.C.]

...are the two things proven to cause fatal nose cancer in penguins...and his sure-fire stock pick was...and now you know whether that welt on your arm means you need surgery...

[SweatingGin]

Mr. Welch..... you are *not* the father... BUFFERING

[Notorious G.K.C.]

On the plus side, maybe there were so many visitors it crashed the server, in which case the show is popular. Or *was* popular.

[SweatingGin]

I was thinking that. Give a bunch of libertarians a chance to shout obscenities/pranks/trutherism/etc. on a FBN livestream, and suddenly so many show up it crashes the streaming servers.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

The amazing thing is that even though the feed is choppy, the abrupt cuts back and forth--often when someone is speaking midsentence--is more coherent than the show itself.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Well, love to stay and chat some more, but I've got a hot date.

http://pleasurephoto.wordpress.....fairchild/

[Sevo]

She doesn't look like that anymore.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

To be perfectly frank, I don't actually have a date with her.

It's with the fourth Kardashian sister, Zeppo.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

To be perfectly frank, I don't actually have a date with her.

It's with the fourth Kardashian sister, Zeppo.

[SweatingGin]

Zeppo is Farsi for "Index", right? or is it palm?

[kibby]

I actually pulled out my Persian book, but it is useless & gives me no words with which to reprimand you.

[SweatingGin]

that means I win!!!

[kibby]

Pretty sure it just means the guy running our Persian department who wrote this terrible book ought to be fired.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Not since our Super Cop had his way with her.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

It was an orgy with Fairchild and a team female volleyball players picked up on a nude beach, you bigorati.

[SweatingGin]

With a surfing competition and filling in with VH, right? HTH KTXH

[Francisco d Anconia]

After winning the power lifting competition.

[SIV]

That's a great site but I wonder why it isn't destroyed by DMCA takedown notices.
None of that is in the public domain. Postrel probably had to pay $5-10k to license that Toni Frissell shot for her book cover.

It's gone from that blog so maybe he does take down stuff when asked.

This pic

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

So did anyone on this thread call in and get through? I only heard snippets of three different callers.

[SweatingGin]

No way in hell I'd link "SweatingGin" to my real voice:)

[Fist of Etiquette]

I liked the stream better the first time I didn't watch it, when it was Max Headroom.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Dear Independents,

Your live stream is like watching old people fuck using dial-up.

[SweatingGin]

can you.... try to look more pixelated?

[kibby]

(Someone is trying for the hate mail segment.)

[SweatingGin]

I'm sure the livestream will be awesome tomorrow. And entirely topical. Maybe I'll call in then.

[Francisco d Anconia]

It's worked before.

[kibby]

I'm pretty sure you bribed someone, actually.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

The old people fuck line has already been featured on the Two Minutes. Try some new material.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Yeah, but if it makes it we've got instant meme, which will enable me to crush Epi.

*insert diabolical laughter*

[GILMORE]

I didn't watch the show - did anyone call in or what? What was matt wearing?

(I'm zonked on cold meds and beer. Because of a cold, duh, not because cold meds are like the new thing. The beer is because beer is good)

[SweatingGin]

The live stream went "new mexico" BUFFERING "I didn't vote for" BUFFERING

And it didn't stop buffering after the last one.

[kibby]

I'm sure you would have had scathing words for Matt's outfit. I didn't think it was too bad, but I defer to your expertise in the area of men's clothing.

[GILMORE]

Hey, I am not by default a catty bitch.

I must be provoked. 🙂

Since you think he's such a cutie - have you ever seen 'prehistoric matt?'

http://cloudfront-assets.reaso.....chBeer.jpg

I think what he's trying to say is "I'm Smiling THIS MUCH on the inside!"

[SweatingGin]

Totally punchable. No one would convict.

[Jarl ? the booty]

I literally said "oh my god I want to punch that guy" out loud

[Francisco d Anconia]

Or

[GILMORE]

See, if you put things in *context*... shit, he looks GREAT now! 🙂

[Bam!]

Pretty actress smokes a joint in a 1950's anti-marijuana propaganda film.

[Winston]

1949 is not the 1950s.

[Winston]

IMDb on Lila Leeds:

Arrested with Robert Mitchum on August 31, 1948, for possession of marijuana.

[Bam!]

Lady Badass indeed.

[Winston]

Apparently Bing Crosby liked pot. Presumably he started back when it was legal.

And how can we forget this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB_0gyqhNz4

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Mexican dancers? Those phony Anslinger quotes were accurate after all!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Mexican dancers? Those phony Anslinger quotes were accurate after all!

[Sevo]

Carl Sagan smoked it, for recreation or med for his cancer I don't know.
But I suspect the former, since it pissed off James Randy who only 'gets high on life'.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Did Sid Huggins photograph them in the act?

[SweatingGin]

I was looking for the really cool live version of Passage To Bangkok with scenes from either that or Reefer Madness included, but couldn't find the one I wanted.

[Archduke von Pantsfan]

ENERGY IS THEFT!

[Archduke von Pantsfan]

Hamburg, Germany wants to be car free in 20 years

[Francisco d Anconia]

Have a nut, retards.

[Winston]

You Know Who Else wanted Hamburg to be free of something?

[Archduke von Pantsfan]

Is this about that awful Rocky Musical?

[Sevo]

Konrad Adenauer!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Smug Alert!

I consider myself environmentally conscious: I live in a New York City apartment with tinier?than-normal energy-efficient appliances, I bike or take public transportation most places, I compost, the bulk of our food comes from the local farmer's market, I live walking distance to work, I fly only rarely.

Get your gas masks on,

However, when I needed to go to the Ragdale Artists Colony in Lake Forest, Ill. (an hour outside of Chicago) to finish my novel, I took a look at the University of California, Berkeley's carbon calculator to see how much the short-ish flight would set the planet back. I did a double-take: the single NYC-Chicago leg alone would add 2.4 tons of carbon to the atmosphere. I understand better, now, why meteorologist Eric Holthaus tweeted that he would no longer fly because "it's not worth the climate."
[snip]
In a country that doesn't have the will to create a better rail system, today's transcontinental rail travel times are roughly the same as they were in the 1870s. However, my prize was the carbon footprint of a sprite: 0.4 tons (800 pounds). I'd given up my time to save two tons of CO2.

Does she really think her decision not to fly cut CO2 emissions? The planes still took off without her.

[Archduke von Pantsfan]

She never mentioned why she had to make the trip rather than Skype it.

[Sevo]

And I'd love to see the carbon cost of shipping that tomato she named from the farm "local" to NYC.

[Tman]

Her entire point is "Skipping the airport, saving the planet", which means she A.)doesn't understand the math behind transporting her ass from point a to point b and B.) thinks she can SAVE THE PLANET.

The sad part is she won't figure out how ridiculous this is until she's clipping diaper coupons from the local dead tree offering.

Sad, that.

[lap83]

There was so much damn smug in those quotes, I don't know how you were able to settle on what to respond to

"to finish my novel"
"NYC-Chicago leg"
"why meterologist Eric Holthaus tweeted"
"In a country" (any sentence that begins with those 3 words is going to ooze smugness)

[Archduke von Pantsfan]

An Important Lesson in Swedish Tax Law from ABBA

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Mama Mia! Those Dancing Queens in Stockholm sure gave ABBA's fashion sense it's Waterloo.

[Sevo]

FUNNY!

[Francisco d Anconia]

Take a chance, take a chance, chance.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Smart Guns to Satisfy Gun Control Proponents?

"A dream of gun-control advocates for decades, the Armatix iP1 is the country's first smart gun. Its introduction is seen as a landmark in efforts to reduce gun violence, suicides and accidental shootings. Proponents compare smart guns to automobile air bags ? a transformative add-on that gun owners will demand. But gun rights advocates are already balking, wondering what happens if the technology fails just as an intruder breaks in."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....ml?hpid=z1

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Interesting concept, but what's to stop it from being hacked? No one should have a problem with the guns being sold, but mandating all guns be like that is bullshit.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Agreed.

[SIV]

How many people will buy smart guns?

Not many. A few more if the "feature" can be de-selected with no significant deterioration in reliability like most new and recent production S&W revolvers with the integral key lock.

[Tejicano]

The point about modern firearms design which has always been the hook for me is that, as most successful designs are based on a successful military design, one should be able to bet one's life that it will function every time under any circumstances. The Kalashnikov, the Mauser bolt action, anything designed by John Moses Browning (PBUH) - iconinc designs like these will always work.

Before I would even pretend to be interested in a "smart" gun you would have to show me an electro-mechanical design of any kind that I can hump up one side of a mountain, kick down the other side, drag through a swamp, rinse out in a tidal pool, then turn on and instantly have the desired function at my fingertips. Nothing about the current state of this technology gives me any reason to believe it would meet my requirements.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Dogs vs. Chickens, or Trespass and Consequences

"In the eternal battle of dog against chicken, Virginia law sides with the fowl.

Currently, a poultry farmer is free to kill a dog that so much as chases his chickens. But the growing popularity of backyard chicken farming, along with dog owners protesting what they see as an antiquated law, could change that."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....l?hpid=z10

[Archduke von Pantsfan]

Nancy Sinatra

[SIV]

There's pics of her in the archive of my popular fashion blog

[Tman]

Frank's starting lineup vs Jeter...

Go.

[William of Purple]

So if you look in really quick in "house of cards" Season 2 episode 2, there's a Kate Mara nip shot

[MJGreen]

I don't know anything about this Guardians of the Galaxy bullshit, but it looks pretty legit. Any movie that casts Peter Serafinowicz is OK by me.

[Redmanfms]

OT: So Brian is still slaying the dragon with mtrueman in the Communism thread from Saturday (at least as of 6 hours ago).

I admire his effort, but mtrueman is a mendacious twat. Nothing he posts should be taken at face value. He, like Tony and Shriek are best reasonable'd away.

[MJGreen]

Scott Sumner destroys the Administration's defense of the stimulus. The real take away is that they actually cite Bastiat in defense of the stimulus.

From the White House report:

The Recovery Act and subsequent jobs measures also contained a large number of provisions that were aimed at strengthening long-term growth. In designing the Act, the Administration believed that it was not just the quantity of the fiscal support that mattered, but the quality of it as well. In this sense, the Administration took to heart a lesson that has been pointed out by many but can be traced back as early as the 19th century to a French writer and politician named Frederic Bastiat. Bastiat (1848) wrote of a shopkeeper's careless son who broke a window in the storefront. When a crowd of onlookers gathered to inspect the damage, Bastiat took objection to the discussion that ensued: "But if, on the other hand, you come to the conclusion, as is too often the case, that it is a good thing to break windows, that it causes money to circulate, and that the encouragement of industry in general will be the result of it, you will oblige me to call out, 'Stop there!'"

[MJGreen]

For this reason, the Recovery Act was designed not just to provide an immediate, short-term boost to the economy, but also to make investments that would enhance the economy's productivity and overall capacity even after the direct spending authorized by the Act had phased out. The Act's investments in expanding broadband infrastructure and laying the groundwork for high-speed rail, to take two examples, are a far cry from the broken window in Bastiat's parable because they do so much more than simply restore things to how they once were. Rather, these types of investments will raise the economy's potential output for years to come, from a rural school that can now offer its students and teachers high-speed Internet access, to a business that has a new option to transport its goods more quickly.

As shown in Table 8, the Recovery Act included $300 billion of these types of investments in areas such as clean energy, health information technology, roads, and worker skills and training. Figure 12 suggests that the timing of these investments was relatively more spread out than some of the Act's other measures, consistent with the longer-term focus of these projects.