Midnight on The Independents: Is it Racist? Sherrod Small, Jim Norton, Lou Dobbs, Rich Benjamin, Deneen Borelli, and Your Conflicted Co-hosts Have That Whole Conversation Thingie
The Friday night installments of The Independents on Fox Business Network have been organized around a single theme, such as sex, or sports, or millennials. Tonight, to play it safe, we've decided to take the scarequotes off of "conversation about race," and see what happens when you try to talk real about a really difficult topic.
So! The broadcast starts straight away with a clash between Rich Benjamin, author of Searching for Whitopia: An Improbable Journey to the Heart of White America, and Deneen Borelli, author of Blacklash: How Obama and the Left Are Driving Americans to the Government Plantation. The two tussle it out over code words, whether "Obamacare" is racist, and more. Then comedians Sherrod Small and Jim Norton join co-hosts Kmele Foster, Kennedy, and Matt Welch in debating the R-quotient of everything from Rep. Joe Wilson's "You lie!" outburst, to Miley Cyrus' twerking, to Michael Richards' comedy-club N-strafing of a heckler, to Joe Biden's weird remarks about Indians at 7-11s. How and why does so much comedy seem to hinge on poking the outer limits of comfort on stereotypes? Tune in at midnight ET to find out.
Then, to calm things down a bit, it's time for a discussion with FBN host and longtime immigration-policy critic Lou Dobbs on whether xenophobia has had anything to do with the immigration debate in the United States, and whether that matters. Then Benjamin and Borelli are back to talk about whether the drug war is racist, and even whether talking about racial disparities in enforcement policy or other outcomes is a good or bad thing. And since that scab won't pick itself, Kmele Foster then produces audible winces by dropping a few N-bombs and talking about the double-standards of acceptable speech in 2014 America.
You will give air-high-fives, you will throw things at the television set, you will laugh, you will scream, but I'd wager that you will be entertained and intrigued by this attempt to talk like human beings about one of the greatest issues that divides said creatures. And remember! For this one last night, The Independents' usual 9 pm slot is pre-empted by live coverage of the frankly kinda awesome Barrett-Jackson car auction, so the show will broadcast at midnight, then be repeated at various times over the weekend. Send your worst jokes on Twitter to @IndependentsFBN!
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Did Matt find his car yet? I looked for it during the Barrett-Jackson auction, but didn't spot it. Maybe tonight.
She gone!
I never suspected the Moody Blues would be implicated with 24 hours.
Welcome to NYC Matt!
Your handle is delightful. Would I know you under a different name?
TY, came from the poem referenced in the movie.
Probably not, my old name was TheTreeOfLiberty. I post every once in a while but usually by the time I get around to reading the articles/comments everyone is moved on.
Ah, ok. I've seen you around a few times. Glad you're commenting in real time.
You need it changed to "the invisible hand that whips the orphan".
I already hit the character limit.
Bunch of efffin cowards!
/Holder
Sounds interesting. May have to try to stay awake after my 4th Margarita tonight. If I am promised fireworks, I expect to see fireworks.
I DIDN'T SAY FIREWORKS. Said it was interesting, which I think it is!
You said the N word will get tossed around, plus maybe stuff about wetbacks, so I still expect some fireworks.
Should have had Bill O'Reilly to guest and throw in legalization.
I had not even encountered the word 'wetback' until I was fifteen and working with a cousin on the whiter, more northern European descended side of the family. Went home that evening asking mom what one was, she had a laugh, 'he doesn't even know his mother is a dago whore.'
Should have had Bill O'Reilly to guest and throw in legalization.
Just make sure if you do have Bill on you should DO IT IN LIVE. He doesn't do well in prerecorded shows.
Boogie till you puke
Here is a rap song I heard, leaving out the n-word:
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[bleep] [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] fuck
I'm guessing this was the song you heard.
Very catchy. Is there a radio version?
Who is that?
That was really something.
It's from a "mockumentary" called "Gangsta Rap: The Glockumentary". The parodies of 90's gangsta rap are spot-on.
Heh. Yeah, with some better production and vocal talent, those could be NWA songs.
Show some real balls, and play that when you roll to commercial...
Did you also hear that "rap" is just the last three letters of "crap"? And some other jokes form 20 years ago?
' ... why does so much comedy seem to hinge on poking the outer limits of comfort... ?'
Because that's what comedy is.
AHHH, Lou Dobbs! (just thought I'd get that out of the way)
Nope, no good. No Lou after the midnight show. A plus.
Then, to calm things down a bit, it's time for a discussion with FBN host and longtime immigration-policy critic Lou Dobbs on whether xenophobia has had anything to do with the immigration debate in the United States
Ahem.
Talking about race is always a very bad idea. I don't see how anything better than a three day festival of hate mongering can result from this.
"festival of hate mongering"
Are you new at Hit & Run?
OT, but that is what I'm here for, unless its about racism --
Republicans Are Done Trying to Kill ObamaCare
http://theweek.com/article/ind.....-obamacare
They have no more inclination to drop the biggest liability the Democratic Party has had going for them since Jane Fonda fucked the barrel of a commie anti aircraft gun for the cameras than Obama has. We are so fucked.
Oh, it is about racism. How did I not get invited?
That's because ashes don't burn, you stupid fuck.
All kinds of wrong in that piece:
The GOP-led House has voted 47 times to repeal ObamaCare. And just last October, the party shut down the federal government in a last-ditch gambit to nix the law, without offering any sound alternative
The reporter here knows that Obamacare didn't invent the health insurance industry, right? It's just been a disaster for it. It did not invent public subsidy either. It's proving to be a disaster for it, as well.
True, Republicans have thrown out a few legislative options of their own, but those ideas are generally considered unworkable, and none have gained consensus support.
Like the Affordable Care Act? Which was rammed through, never has been popular, and costs the Democrats the House?
costs
I really don't see any reason why anyone would support it for any reason besides blind partisanship. It really is total shit from any political perspective.
It's gaining in popularity? Really? And it hasn't entered the death spiral but the demographics are entirely consistent with the death spiral. Got it. Journalism at its best!
Put up the negative of that Romney family photo and see how many jokes you can make.
1st up on tonight's racism debate: Was it racist when Mike Rowe pronounced Kmele's name as "Kim-lee"?
I forget, his name rhymes with chamomile, right?
F'n ractist Teathuglican!
If Barack had a son, he would look like Kmele.
Kmele is too handsome for Barry's gene pool.
and he actually knows how to wear a sportcoat, unlike Barry.
When you're a perfect physical specimen like Barack you don't need no sportcoats.
IOW Kmele gives you a tingle up your leg?
Tingles are for chicks like Chris Mathews. I get raging hard ons.
Kmele owns the pocket kerchief. He owns it, bitches. Sorry for the gratuitous 'bitches' but it's been that kinda day.
Damn Lacist.
We live in a universe where this happened.
Remember that.
OK.
Are those all tattoos or what?
God I hope so. Actual freckles are cute, but those spots on her back look terrible.
Quit hating on the Irish!!
BTW, Welch, is your show going to continue to be the one that gets bumped for such high quality teevee as used car auctions?
You are free to research the FBN hour-by-hour ratings from Wednesday....
Link?
Are YOU smarter than Slate's Matthew Yglesias?
Take their weekly news quiz to find out!
I don't know, do you have a pulse?
I got 11/12 on the test so I blew him away. Ol' Sadbeard actually scored below average, which according to the commentators makes him the first Slate employee to fail to beat the average.
I beat him, and I hadn't heard of some of those stories. Like the drunk driver and the parrot. Don't listen to enough morning drive-time, I guess.
I only got 6 out of 12. Aside from the serious political issues, I knew absolutely nothing on that list. Reason is pretty much my only stop for news in a given day.
The average score at present is higher than MattY's score. This would imply that he is of average intelligence, which is of course of gross overestimation.
My elderly parents enjoy The Five on FOX News. They think it's hilarious. I haven't seen The Independents. Is it as hilarious as The Five?
My dog is on suicide watch.
My wife informed me he peed on a cop car today in broad day light.
I will quote from that great American thinker and statesman, Al Franken. The following is a letter dated October 2, 2015:
"This letter is my legacy to you, my beloved grandchildren, along with the millions of dollars each of you will receive thanks to your grandmother's prudent investments in T-bills, which are backed by the full faith and credit of the United States government. Thanks to the fiscal prudence of the Democrats after Bush left office, that makes them the most secure investment we can possibly leave you."
It gets worse.
INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!
Building a children's hospital in Saskatchewan with the proceeds from a car!
The only colors I see are red, white and blue.
Where am I?
Did Matt Welch get permission from Joan Walsh to talk about race?
Apparently the Independents are racists. On the panel there's no China-men.
Wouldn't that be Lacist.
Is saying Rich looks like Buckwheat racist?
No, of course not.
Dog whistles!
I've never heard "food stamp president"
I think Drudge has used it in his reconfigured headlines
Newt Gingrich used it during the North Carolina Republican presidential debate.
Wait, wasn't Hillary's push for healthcare reform called HillaryCare?
Obamacare ith rathitht.
Kennedy is more upset than she was with Rolling Stone Commie guy
Kennedy, let the lady who agrees with you talk.
Hillarycare was sexism personified.
Romneycare just encouraged religious intolerance?
And I don't even want to tell you what Jessecare means.
Your homophobia is shocking...SHOCKING!
Jesse says if you like your hetero marriage you can keep your hetero marriage...
Hahaha. No. Directly to homo retraining camps with all of you, except the ugly ones. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
Just remember, my opponent's entire campaign is based on flowery lies. I give you an honest assessment of what my presidency will look like.
AH! Lou Dobbs?
Ahh...
Is an interracial gay couple going to get married during the commercial break?
Where are Kennedy's earrings?
She looks neked.
Buckwheat was being especially hysterical there, seeing racism in every word in the dictionary.
A black and white striped suit? What could be less racist?
That episode of Star Trek with the black and white guys who try to kill each other?
Hey! It's the black guy who's always on Red Eye.
Stand up, Joe. God love ya.
Stop apologizing for shit that isn't racist.
Some stereotypes have an element of truth:
LIBERTARIANS ARE REPUBLICANS WHO LIKE TO SMOKE POT!
Whoopie? No one is more racist than a Jew.
...The bartender says, "Get the fuck outta here!"
When does racism stops being funny? When your president was born in Kenya!
Ba-rum-bum!
Welch finally woke up.
And Steve should NOT have apologized.
Oprah didn't get an oscar nomination: that's racist!
I'm not getting any commercials tonight. Just a blank screen. Usually there is maybe one per break.
See the 2 comments below.
See, hair removal ads are always entertaining. I was hoping to pretty up my taint for the NSA. Did anyone get the number for ordering No-no?
I forgot about your project. How is it coming along?
My FOIA request has been rejected again. I'd like to know if they've allocated a therapy budget for my watchers yet.
Why is that guy shaving his arms?
Hirsutism. Or hairophobia.
Will No-No work on my ass?
You want to do No-No on your butt? Okay!
I was curious about that too. My toilet paper bills are astronomical.
AH! Lou Dobbs.
Mexican is a race?
Que?
I don't get Lou's math.
So Lou is embracing Indians?
Erm, so we have a heterogeneous population and that's been a good thing, which is why we have to stop an influx of more diversity?
Good gosh, I'm already falling asleep. He is outrageously boring.
Reason won't let me post a Spanish script! That's right, Hit & Run is English only!
I think you mean spanglish. I saw your "spanish" a few days ago.
What a gyp.
Lou doesn't understand the power of the race card?
Franklin Templeton Investments sounds like they got Welch to do voiceover for their commercial.
Can we all agree that the real threat to America is from the Micks?
I didn't not bookmark that page.
Just scrolling through it, I've found several inaccuracies.
Previously referred only to the rural prejudice whites, mostly farmers, who have reddish necks (or a "farmer's tan"). However, its usage has become a lot looser and now includes any racist white. See: Peckerwood
It was a class distinction that had nothing to do with the race based beliefs of those so designated. Those who originated the term were at least as likely to be racist being that the laws codifying unequal treatment reflected their values more than those of powerless sharecroppers. The usage here is imperious.
Playing Spoon coming out of the commercial? Kennedy has good taste!
Canary in a coal mine? Because the canary is yellow and the coal is black and the black kills the yellow. That sounds racist.
Kmele doesn't understand the power of the race card?
I love Kmele!
School choice is a dog whistle!
Choice is a racist dog whistle word.
The Sokolove testosterone commercial makes me want to try testosterone.
You'll just end up making your wife grow body and facial hair. Did you learn nothing from House?
But I'll be totally ripped!
The trade-off being making love to a werewolf.
I thought making love to a wwerewolf was way hip right now.
Are you calling my wife a jew?!?
Inga: Werewolf!
Dr. Frankenstein: Werewolf?
Igor: There.
Dr. Frankenstein: What?
Igor: There, wolf. There, castle.
Dr. Frankenstein: Why are you talking that way?
Igor: I thought you wanted to.
Dr. Frankenstein: No, I don't want to.
Igor: (shrugs) Suit yourself. I'm easy.
Spin mop gives you the ability to spray your dirty floor water all over your walls.
There's only one trusted way to get out of your debt problems: Fake your own death.
HE SAID IT!
Only Kmele could go to China on this.
I was wondering if anyone was going to have the balls to say it.
Kmele, you are awesome!
OH SHIT HE JUST SAID IT
Shit just got real.
Sam Clemens is white and he advanced his career using that word.
The Category is 'People Who Bother You'
N_ggers
"Go on, kiss it!"
Sorry Matt, Kmele is my favorite Independent.
I'm totally fine with this. Also, you're late to the party!
The Fighting Micks.
Isn't that redundant, much like "the drunken Micks" and "the pregnant Micks"?
NOW THAT'S RACIST.
Oh the classic Irishman's dilemma: do I eat the potato now or do I wait for it to ferment so I can drink it later?
Seriously, my crush on Kmele is off the charts at this point.
racist.
If I were black, would it not be?
Don't mind me, I'm just throwing the word around loosely in honor of tonight's topic.
See...I told you the real problem was the Bog-trotters. Er...Cat-Licks...er Harps...er Leprechauns...er Paddys
Fox Business is advertising a telenovela?
That poor bastard is still on his phone and getting hassled by Kennedy?
Did she ask any injuns?
Something cool but accurate:
The Washington Looters
The Washington Degenerates
The Washington Sociopaths
Matt Welch is the whitest person on Fox Biz. And that's saying something.
Don't worry. I'm sure he'll apologize.
AH! Stossel.
Francisco porn!11!!!
Have I mentioned I like Stossel?
Ahh Lou Dobbs.
As soon as you're done stating your affection for Stossel, I would like to discuss his shooting posture.
I missed it. I'll rewind during the commercial.
Needs to lean forward a bit.
Yep
But much more important than posture...
Do the shots hit the intended target? Whatever makes that happen is all good.
I teach CWP classes. Nothing feels more invalidating than pointing out all the problems with a shooters posture and then watch as they nail the target. So, I try to emphasize safety and comfort over conformity.
"I'm a constitutional lawyer and I have no idea what's in these books"
Funny I think the President said that too.
Stoss with a gun!
That made me cringe a little bit. That's how my wife looks when she shoots.
Um, fuck you. You are not coming in my house.
This is hands down unconstitutional.
Oh, forgot to do music tonight. Seems appropriate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5FfJ89rGPc
Or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZtiJN6yiik
Tyranny- When so many things are illegal, no person can obey the law.
Did anyone see that asshole wink?
Definitely noticed that.
I interpreted it as a hidden admission of being full of shit.
All of what you said, plus "there's not a fucking thing you can do about it!".
I loved the slimy fast...er comment.
Is the concept of killing all the lawyers truly in contradiction to the NAP?
Hmm, Kmele got to say the n-word on Fox but right now AMC is showing Pulp Fiction and they won't allow the movie to say it.
Do you see a sign in my lawn that says dead bleep storage?
Jesus, this movie is almost unwatchable because it's cut so much. It's as awkward as a poorly dubbed Kung fu movie.
Travolta just shot Marvin in the car but because it's so graphic they cut to black for a few seconds and without explanation they are in the kitchen with Tarantino (who has that line cut.)
I just refuse to watch movies that are cut. I get all the movie channels, and that's about all I ever watch (exception...rentals).
Fuck censorship! It absolutely ruins the experience.
Just watched X-Men First Class on cable. Not sure how much they cut but there's this seen where they try to recruit Wolverine. Hugh's only line in the movie is "go fuck yourself". I believe they changed it to frak or something. At least they left the scene in.
But what if it were Samuel's line?
I'm watching that too. This movie is way worse without the swearing.
🙂 A good friend of mine had the same "call sign" as your moniker. You aren't a test pilot by any chance?
Nah, I'm far less badass than that. It's just a Simpsons reference.
He got it off a hair dryer.
Fuck these statist shitbag thugs!
Wow! The Independents is on at 2AM EST too.
Buenas noches ninos y ninas.
(Pretend there are tildes.)