Tonight on The Independents: At the Intersection of Public Policy and Sexytime!

Brittni Ruiz has moved to the left. |||Every Friday on Fox Business Network’s The Independents—your very favorite new nightly cable news show—we will be taking a respite from the breaking news of the day, and exploring in more depth a series of stories grouped around a single theme. Like, you know, sex.

So tonight at 9 pm ET & 6 pm Long Beachian, as well as on the midnight-hour re-runs, we will be talking about:

* The social, biological, evolutionary, and religious impulses toward sexytime, and how modern technology affects the mating ritual, featuring a you-have-to-see-it-to-believe-it panel of blue-eyed priest Father Jonathan Morris and evolutionary anthropologist Dr. Helen Fisher. It’s genuinely insightful stuff, which I know, because we’ve already taped it!

* How the only reason that The Pill is threatening Obamacare in any way is that it stupidly requires a doctor’s prescription. This segment stars Bloomberg Opinion columnist Megan McArdle, who is very sensible and has excellent taste in dudes.

* Should prostitution be legalized? Do social conservatives worry about the black markets that prohibition creates? Are hookers Republican? How many months, precisely, will Kennedy punish her husband if he wanders down the wrong street in Amsterdam? Swear to God, these topics are all broached, with novelist and former sex worker Tracy Quan and Sun-Sentinel columnist Noelle Nikpour.

Misleading heights there. |||* Should Valley porn stars wear safety goggles? Porn actress-turned anti-porn activist Brittni Ruiz says professional sex is unclean and made by people who are unhappy.

All these topics and more, tonight at 9 pm ET, with your host Kennedy, plus co-hosts Matt Welch and Kmele Foster. Click on the links to read the open threads for Episodes Three and Two. And you can follow the show on Facebook, and give us some NSFW heckling on Twitter @IndependentsFBN.

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    With very special guest, Dr. Ruth Westheimer.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Shout out for Long Beach. Represent!!

  • ||

    So is this going to be the late night links from now on or is this just a temporary thing to promote the show while it gets off the ground?

  • Matt Welch||

    We'll be doing show open-threads every night; still an open question as to what exact time they get posted.

  • ||

    Thanks, as my wife will be out I may actually have the TV free to watch it live for once.

  • Irish||

    I hope you realize the horrors you're about to unleash upon the world.

    An open thread about a sex episode on Reason on a Friday night? Do you realize how vile and disgusting this comment thread will get in about two hours?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Reap it, Reason.

  • Matt Welch||

    I know I can count on all of you to rise above!

  • ||

    I know I can count on all of you to sink below!

    There Welch, fixed that typo for you.

  • Ted S.||

    As long as it's at a time when Fisty can't post first. :-)

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Random post times are my weakness.

  • Almanian!||

    You know who else constantly promoted a new show...

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Shakespeare's theater company?

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Andrew Lloyd Webber?

  • ||

    The Nightman?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    You gotta pay the troll toll.

  • ||

    I think we have to be very careful about how we do the rape scene.

  • playa manhattan||

    At last the boy's hole is mine!

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    The Donald?

  • Sevo||

    You're fired.

  • ||

    Now that he's a TV show host, Matt Welch eschews walking and public transportation:

    Beginning to suspect that the 60 minutes I budgeted for this two-mile taxi ride to DC's Union Station just won't be enough.

    — Matt Welch (@mleewelch) December 13, 2013


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  • Matt Welch||

    It's cold outside! Besides, can't Tweet and walk at the same time! (He typed, from Amtrak, on the way to the subway.)

  • ||

    Ah!!!

    Always knew those glasses were nothing more then a disguise for your public persona.

  • ||

    So? Back in February I walked around DC in 20 degree weather. It was also raining cold, icy rain.

  • Matt Welch||

    You know, it's not a contest.

  • ||

    That's exactly what the loser would say.

  • Dweebston||

    It's cold outside!

    I can't hear those words without thinking of the obvious.

  • ||

    And parents Verizon log-in info snatched. I'll see if I can stream FBN when I get home.

  • Dave Krueger||

    Should prostitution be legalized? Do social conservatives worry about the black markets that prohibition creates? Are hookers Republican? How many months, precisely, will Kennedy punish her husband if he wanders down the wrong street in Amsterdam? Swear to God, these topics are all broached, with novelist and former sex worker Tracy Quan and Sun-Sentinel columnist Noelle Nikpour.

    This is the best news I've heard about that show yet. I hope they demolish the utterly insulting and anti-woman concept that all prostitutes are victims.

    I also hope they have plenty of relevant video clips for each of the topics.

  • playa manhattan||

    "anti-porn activist Brittni Ruiz says professional sex is unclean and made by people who are unhappy."

    I'm pretty sure the person who assembled my cheeseburger for lunch was unhappy too.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    How lean was this person?

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Clean

  • playa manhattan||

    They hide them behind the counter for a reason.

    But fine, replace fast food worker with garbage man. I think you get my point..

  • ||

    Lots of people with 80k a year careers are unhappy as well.

    In what weird world would natural selection make a creature that could actually ever be satisfied for any persistent length of time?

    And even if our world produced such a creature what likely hood would that same creature also invent the A-bomb, Grand theft auto 5, and deep dish pizza?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Lots of people with 80k a year careers are unhappy as well.

    And they're not having sex for a living.

  • Dave Krueger||

    Yeah, when asked the question as to whether they would quit prostitution if they could, most hookers say they would. Pretty much the same answer you get from anyone who has to work to feed their faces and put a roof over their head (and pay taxes to the DC mob).

    And, as everyone knows, the very fact that they are being paid means that they are subservient to the person paying them (ie: a slave). Also true of everyone who holds a job.

    What I don't understand is how they can spew this idiotic nonsense and not be laughed off the stage.

  • playa manhattan||

    My question is: is the non-paid sex that people have somehow more clean than professional sex?

    She should also be laughed off the stage for this...

  • Dave Krueger||

    I guess unclean is another of those meaningless adjectives designed to characterize something as bad but without the burden of actually having to be objective. Unclean is probably another name for the dreaded "unnatural".

    It's a bit like saying, "This absolutely needs to be outlawed but I don't have a single legitimate argument for doing so except I just don't want people to do it."

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    There's a lot of pretty gross stuff that's expected in modern mainstream porn that you're never going to get in casual unpaid sex, or (from what I hear) in paid sex with escorts and the like. Plus we don't see what goes on "behind the scenes".

    That said -- all of these women are adults and none of them are dragged to the studio in chains. It's obviously more appealing than whatever other opportunities they have in life.

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    Down in Florida so I will get a chance to watch this show. Don't fuck this up Welch...

  • Ted S.||

    It's a sex-themed show. I'd expect there to be quite a bit of fucking going on.

  • ||

    Wait, this isn't the last post of the night!?

  • Lady Bertrum||

    The pill shouldn't require an Rx, but an obvious solution would be to just put it in the drinking water like fluoride. It'll be good for the economy in the increased sale of manssieres.

  • ||

  • Lady Bertrum||

    P.O.E.

  • Generic Stranger||

    Also appropriate.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    And they just get better.

  • Generic Stranger||

    It's too bad they seem to have stopped at 3. Hell, it'd make a good movie or sitcom.

  • Mint Berry Crunch||

    Mmmmmm, Jenna Presley. 5 foot 1, 94 pounds, huge fake boobs - she'd be the perfect woman if she didn't have so many tattoos.

  • Generic Stranger||

    Or fake boobs.

  • playa manhattan||

    Seriously. Would they look good on a man too?

  • Lady Bertrum||

    Jenna Presley? Really, fella? She's the "perfect woman"?

    Jennifer Lawrence is way better.

    I'm making a gratuitous Jen reference here because I have a girl crush.

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    Jenna Jameson?

  • playa manhattan||

    Ha! Yeah, she's really got it together these days. The ol' Paula Abdul slur is a real turn on, right?

  • Mint Berry Crunch||

    I'm not one of those Internet haters who call Jennifer Lawrence "fat" or "chubby," but 5 foot 10 (her height, according to IMDB) is too tall for a woman.

  • ||

    5'10 is not too tall for anyone.

  • ||

    Why is 5'10" too tall? I've been involved with women who were 5'10". It worked just fine for me.

  • ||

    Case in point: female volleyball players. Long, long legs and toned, athletic bodies.

  • RightofCenter||

    C'mon, isn't it obvious? No one needs more than 5'2" of woman.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Shawty!

  • playa manhattan||

    "involved". As in named in a restraining order?

  • mr simple||

    This site says she said she is only 5'7.5".

  • Spiny Norman||

    Should Valley porn stars wear safety goggles?

    I'd be surprised if goggle porn weren't already a thing.

  • ||

    If it exists it'll be at the Steampunk Pornotarium

    NSFW example BE WARNED THERE BE BOOBS BEYOND THIS LINK.

  • Dave Krueger||

    I have some of that on my website, but the goggles are attached to a gas mask. I figure I will be ahead of the curve when they start requiring gas masks along with the goggles.

  • ||

    Clearly you haven't viewed much '90s German gay porn. Particularly by a studio named Cazzo if you think you're ahead of the curve.

  • Dave Krueger||

    Actually, I was just joking, but you hit the nail on the head in the sense that I haven't viewed much 90s German gay porn.

  • ||

    Your warning failed to dissuade me. Thank you.

  • Lord at War||

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!

  • RishJoMo||

    OK wow that makes no sense at all dude. None.

    www.Anon-Go.tk

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Sex is the very reason anyone comes to Fox Biz.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The priest is all about sex.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    What, specifically, is he saying?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    He was saying the Church wasn't anti-sex and that sex was a good thing and it was pleasurable and a whole lot of other things you don't want to hear a priest say.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    So basically the same thing the catechism of the Catholick Church says.

  • Bam!||

    Is this priest setting off anyone's gaydar?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    YES!

    /12 yo boy

  • ||

    I'd consider being his altar boy.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    EEWWWWW!

  • ||

    Prude!

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Father J smackin jesse on the ass yelling, "The power of Christ compels you!"

  • playa manhattan||

    Christ had a power bottom.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Being an altar boy isn't as sexy as you've been led to believe.

  • ||

    Is that an actual priest or is the sex show a literal sex show with role playing?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Who is this God person?

  • ||

    What's Dr. Ruth up to these days?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    A shot at the barren from out of nowhere from the lady doctor.

  • ||

    Never been to Europe. Are they really more sex positive than the US?

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    If by sex positive you mean armpit hair, then yes.

  • ||

    No.

  • ||

    They are less hung up on sex or things related to sex, yes. For instance, the idea of someone being arrested for, say, streaking or public urination, let alone being charged with a sex offence for such things, is pretty much alien to them. I imagine it could occur but your average Euro is not going to get even remotely worked up about nudity.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    You're not even watching the show. Get out of here.

  • playa manhattan||

    Offence? Holy shit! are you Canadian or worse?

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    What's worse than Canadian?

  • playa manhattan||

    Your bacon is just ham.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Talk about sexy, check out that baby blue tie purple shirt combo.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Where's Kennedy's short skirt?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Extremist evolutionaries!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Debate starts, Kennedy shuts it down.

  • ||

    This segment needed much more time and less Kennedy interjections. She stopped them right when the priest and the anthropologist were getting interesting.

  • Lady Bertrum||

    Kennedy seems calmer tonight. The priest is a calming influence. ;-)

  • ||

    Well ya'll weren't kidding about the overly fast pace, extensive Kennedy leg shots or the black dude not getting to talk at all.

  • ||

    I didn't see him at all in that first segment. Is he on stage?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Has Matt said a word yet?

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    nope

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    wait, im on tape delay

  • Matt Welch||

    I wouldn't know, because TIME WARNER NEW YORK DESERVES TO DIE. (It carries FBN; we just can't access it tonight, for obscure reasons.)

  • ||

    Button up that top button up!

  • ||

    It's because you live in Brooklyn. You deserve what you get.

  • ||

    Ways that technology is helping us hook up is in my wheelhouse!

  • ||

    Gay in LA with Grindr: like a kid in a candy store full of penises

  • ||

    Scruff is more my thing. Grindr got really twinky and their app has been kinda shitty until the most recent update.

  • ||

    The closest thing to a hetero hook-up app that works is, strangely, OKCupid.

    Lots of normal, dateable girls but also girls that just want to lay pipe.

  • ||

    A friend of mine tried Blendr and hated it. She doesn't want to meet people who are interested in knitting she wants to meet people who are interested in fooling around. You guys need to get on this technology.

  • ||

    Can't your friend just go to a bar?

  • ||

    She dated a gay man in college and last time we went out she ended up hitting on a guy who ended up hitting on me. An app would be MUCH better for her.

  • ||

    An app would be MUCH better for her.

    ....

    Or, idk this might sound crazy, don't try to get a date when hanging with her gay friend.

    Either that or perhaps next time you take her out go somewhere that hetero men might actually be.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Bars are full of creepy guys.

  • ||

    As opposed to the internet?

  • playa manhattan||

    "Lots of normal, dateable girls but also girls that just want to lay pipe."

    You have to live in a rental while you are looking to buy....

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Manscaping commercial on the Dish feed here. Hirsute not sexy.

  • ||

    Lies!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Commercials don't lie.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Only women shave beneath the neck.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • Aloysious||

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Computer dating? The priest has never seen Weird Science.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Can't watch, is Mrs. Montgomery defending the institution of marriage?

  • ||

    He's defending monogamy more generally.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    I thought Kennedy eas Mrs. Montgomery.

  • ||

    Sorry. I totally misread your comment.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Whew, I thought there were things about Kennedy I hadn't known.

  • ||

    She does seem extremely concerned with STDs if the husband strays. More so than the straying in fact.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    [cough]Slut[cough]

  • ||

    Your spouse is bored too. Swing!

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Just buy some sex toys.

    /Father J

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Hey, where'd the priest go for this segment?

  • ||

    Mrs. McArdle's wife is on.

  • Bam!||

    Hey honey: They sell shampoo over the counter.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    But, teenage Republican girls might not abstain if they can get the pill OTC.

  • ||

    That's why it's so hard to find crocodile dung.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    This segment is drawing in the Jezebel crowd?

  • ||

    But without government Costco would sell women Mentos disguised as birth control.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Is there a web stream of the program?

  • ||

    live.foxbusiness.com but you need an appropriate network username/pass to authorize it.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Yeah, Imy search was unavailing.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I didn't hear how we do it. And I was taking notes.

  • ||

    This should be good if Kenned lets them talk.

  • ||

    No kidding, I was in grade school at the time, was she like this in her MTV days?

  • Bramblyspam||

    Yes she was.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Body selling. Is this another segment about kidney selling? Sexy kidney selling?

  • Bam!||

    The Daily Beast has a hooker on staff?

  • ||

    Call girl. When they're dead they're just hookers.

  • Generic Stranger||

    Just make sure they're really dead and not simply unconscious. Also, candy-wrapper condoms are a bad idea.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    You mean Kwan?

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Uh, Quan.

  • ||

    I'm not sure that arguing that prostitution is a savior marriage is going to win many converts.

  • ||

    Never mind, they managed to find someone to make the most retarded arguments against prostitution possible.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Next you'll say that my eating a whole Christmas ham didn't help my diet.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    She's not letting the clap claim go.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    A way to get out of your prostitute?

  • ||

    This woman is quite twangy.

  • ||

    She sounds and looks very Dallasy.

  • ||

    Whores for Romney!

  • ||

    That might have swung me my for Romney, but probably not.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Of course it's about morality.

    What's more moral than allowing people to do what they choose with their own body.

    Welch...you're a libertarian...DO SOMETHING!

  • Matt Welch||

    YOU ARE BEING AUTHORITARIAN RIGHT NOW.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Sure, now you get assertive. Where were you when we needed you?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    What the hell. I knew this show wasn't live at 9PM EST. Read our tweets on the air my ass.

  • Matt Welch||

    The first three shows were live....

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Bait and switch.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Don't talk about the logic black markets to a female conservative, Welch. That's going to go nowhere on two levels.

  • ||

    A whole show on prostitution!

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    who switched the channel to undercover boss?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Ha! It's bad because it's criminal. Perfect logic.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    ZOMG CLIMATE CHANGE!!1111!!!eleventy!!
    It's snowing in Egypt.

  • Bam!||

    The short length of the segments prevents from any penetrating depth.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    TWSS

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Toad the Wet Sprocket? No, wait, that's not right...

  • ||

    It's a mess.

  • Sevo||

    Bam!|12.13.13 @ 9:35PM|#
    "The short length of the segments prevents from any penetrating depth."

    Pretty sure you've just described TV.

  • ||

    Any of these segments could've been two or three segments long easily and still been very interesting. This is very frenetic.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Did you just miss a double entendre?

  • Sevo||

    Yes, yes I did.

  • ||

    No? Small penis, not hitting the deep spots.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Your description of the show...it's like I'm there!

  • Bam!||

    You're missing the ad for Carbonite. Why, if I had Carbonite, I could avoid my wife's hectoring and get a clean shave.

  • playa manhattan||

    Jesse, do you have to watch the commercials on streaming?

  • ||

    Only some of them. I'm guessing two of them are national and two of them are provided by the cable company. The window just goes blank and says it'll be back in a minute.

  • ||

    Kennedy seems legitimately fascinated by this poly woman.

  • ||

    She really does seem fascinated by her.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    A girlfriend? Well, at least her husband doesn't have to worry about any devil's threeways.

  • ||

    Why are you sullying threeways with women?!?

  • Warrren||

    Vaginas are wonderful things.

  • playa manhattan||

    Does she have a repaired cleft palate?

  • playa manhattan||

    I wouldn't "should" her!

  • ||

    Hollywood needs to make a good polyamorous love comedy.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    It needs to make a good *anything.*

  • ||

    I for one can't wait for SoCons to start screeching about pushing the Poly agenda.

  • ||

    It logically follows the gay marriage wave. And after that we'll get a bestiality love story.

  • ||

  • Ted S.||

    I'm glad I didn't go looking for that cartoon to post it, or I would have been beaten to the punch.

  • ||

    I only thought about it because you'd reposted it.

  • ||

    Be honest Jesse, you only tell us you're gay because you don't think we'll accept your ungulate bride.

  • ||

    Please, if this crowd of degenerate misanthropes can't understand my goat love, then nobody will.

  • Bam!||

    Kennedy was sweet on that poly chick.

  • ||

    Wow, Kennedy totally just hit on her. Snuck it in during the segeway.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The In-deep-end-um-ents.

  • ||

    Should we be sad that a libertarian show has ads for Androfen a product promising to increase free testosterone?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Dr. Seaver is on the television telling me about a "government" program to forgive my tax debt. Death won't even do that.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    So a friend just called and asked if I'd like to be a sub on his spongee team tonight.
    I laughed.
    Was that wrong?

  • Ted S.||

    You Canadians are almost as freaky as Aussies.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Filth?

    It's beautiful form of art!

  • Lady Bertrum||

    EWWWWW. Gonorrhea

  • ||

    "I burned for her. Very much like the burning I would later feel during urination."

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    It's not shutting down porn; it's shutting down porn permit getting.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I'll just bet you felt stuck. Heyooooooooh!

  • Lady Bertrum||

    She wants to be forced out of the industry. Cannot make your own decisions much?

  • ||

    I do like that she admitted they'd do black market porn.

  • Lady Bertrum||

    It's weird that she can't put together the illogic of forcing restrictions in the name of safety then admitting that the black market would exist.

  • ||

    She seemed deeply, existentially sad when she admitted they'd do black market porn.

    It actually made me feel sad for her.

  • ||

    Porn stars don't have much imagination, it seems.

  • ||

    She's looking to enforce rules to help force her to make decisions she feels unable to make herself. That's not going to play well here, is it?

  • ||

    Let my porn stars go!

  • ||

    Ooh, I want to be the porn Moses!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Be sure to keep your rod up.

  • ||

    And be gentle when you part your costar's Red Sea.

  • ||

    That's Joshua's job once my arm gets tired.

  • Warrren||

    Watch out for Onan the Barbarian.

  • playa manhattan||

    Was not expecting that answer, and probably neither was Matt. I don't think I would have admitted gonorrhea on camera.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Big deal. Shot of penicillin.

  • playa manhattan||

    The consequences aren't, but the stigma is. If I got an STD, I would be pretty damn disappointed in myself.

  • ||

    Except we've got anti-biotic resistant strains in North America.

    But so far only in Canada! (they got it from Europe)

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    That's because the Canadians and Europeans deserve it.

  • ||

    Another reason to Link text .

  • ||

    Oops. Another reason to nuke Canada.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    You need more than one?

  • ||

    No, it's just icing on the maple urinal cake.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The Japanese seem to like goggle porn.

  • playa manhattan||

    Matt: Bomb dropped!

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    So who has it?

    (And no, I won't fall for it if you say Fr. Morris)

  • playa manhattan||

    He gotcha'd the former porn star and got her to say that the regulations would drive porn to the black market. And she would know.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    BBC

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Some commercial here about pants and an angry beaver.

  • ||

    You think Hitler could have been avoided if Santa had given him the bike he wanted as a kid?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    A yarmulke ruined young Adolph's Christmas once.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    He, he, he...you said beaver.

  • ||

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    You know who else had an angry beaver?

  • Agammamon||

  • ||

    Oh, Thaddeus Russel call out.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Hint hint. Foster wants to hear some Marvin Gaye going into commercial breaks.

  • ||

    I hope they work out the kinks of the show but I'm left with the feeling that my time would have been better spent watching porn rather than listening to ya'll talk about it.

    The pace of the closing segment is what you should be going for.

  • ||

    Kennedy is pretty fearless with innuendos.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    AH! Lou Dobbs.

  • Lady Bertrum||

    I liked that they used a theme for the show. One main topic is less disjointed.

  • Matt Welch||

    That's how the Friday shows will go.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    It must have taken intense brainstorming to come up with tonight's show topic. And I bet it only narrowly won out over the sequester.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Live bloggers should vote on the theme for next Friday's show.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    I vote on the ultimate debate of Kirk vs Picard.

  • Warrren||

    Russell Kirk vs. Charles Émile Picard would be interesting.

    Good idea!

  • ||

    Aaannndd whatever rise Kennedy gave her audience with that sexy sign off is killed instantly by Lou Dobbs.

  • ||

    CHINA CHINA CHINA LOU DOBBS SMASH!!!!!

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Lou Dobbs is not allowed in my home.

  • ||

    I couldn't close the streaming window fast enough. Some Dobbs got into my eye. I suffer.

  • Lady Bertrum||

    They're all doing a reasonably decent job co-hosting. Kennedy needs to slow down a bit and both Matt and Kmele need more speaking time. Kennedy keeps things moving but she's a bit to quick to interrupt. Considering this is their first week, they've done an excellent job.

  • ||

    I would maybe recommend doubling the time for the multi-guest segments. The single guest segments worked well.

  • Lady Bertrum||

    That sounds about right.

    In a sane world they'd replace Hannity on FOXNews with this show.

  • BakedPenguin||

    I totally agree. If there are going to be arguments, have them come back after the commercial break. If not, the single segment works fine.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    A woman who worked for the network that single-handedly created ADHD speaking too fast?

    Get outta town!

  • Sevo||

    OT:
    "Daily Show’s Jon Stewart slams Fox News’ Megyn Kelly for ‘White Christmas’"
    There is absolutely no need to read anything other than the headline.

  • Sevo||

    Oops:
    Link if you wish to wallow in it:
    http://blog.sfgate.com/hottopi.....18866101=0

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Why leave milk and cookies, you may as well leave him mayo on Wonder Bread. Cover all bases - leave him a tortilla, a slice of [name of stereotypical fruit omitted], and some Mongolian yak stew.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    What? No latkes?

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Santa likes beer and hot wings

  • Sevo||

    Santa likes beer and A SHOT!
    Damn raindeers can find their own way!

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Who doesn't?

  • playa manhattan||

    We call that dinner in my house

  • Warrren||

    And Remy like hummus on his chicken wings.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5oNup0Dq5U

  • playa manhattan||

    Maybe he was the one who donated $50k. Or maybe not, because wings and beer go with ranch. Or Bleu cheese. Period.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Hopefully they design the new Santa like Pierce and the dean did Greendale's mascot. "It falls somewhere in between Seal and Seal's teeth."

  • Bam!||

    Stewart really seems to hate Christmas.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Santa was a Black man, named Nicholas.

    He stood 7 foot talk and had a 12-inch dick.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    tall

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • Bobarian||

    Wasn't that St Nick's buddy Black Peter?

    (thus the name?)

  • Brian D||

    St. Nicholas was of Greek heritage, which at the time he was alive was the prominent culture in the area of his birth, which is now part of Turkey. This naturally means he was blacker than Shaft.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I think you're confusing Santa with Krampus.

    A common error.

  • ||

  • lap83||

    I am glad we are finally discussing the elephant long in the room....what is the proper race of an imaginary guy who we pretend gives us gifts

  • Sevo||

    lap83|12.13.13 @ 10:29PM|#
    "I am glad we are finally discussing the elephant long in the room....what is the proper race of an imaginary guy who we pretend gives us gifts"
    The question has certainly occupied my spare thoughts for many years!

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    I prefer Minka Kelly

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Hey, did this post get moved up to the top at some point?

  • Matt Welch||

    Yeah, I re-upped it for just before broadcast time.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    I believe it did.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Live blog posts should always be moved to the top. Give the people what they want, I always say. And what's more desirable than a bunch of a-holes on the internet talking about a show on a channel that most people don't get?

  • SandyVGoodwin||

    just before I saw the paycheck which was of $9192, I didn't believe ...that...my mom in-law was like really bringing home money in their spare time from there new laptop.. there brothers friend had bean doing this 4 only about nine months and just repayed the debts on their cottage and purchased a great Aston Martin DB5. browse this site
    http://WWW.CASH46.COM

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Aston Martin's are shit.

  • ||

    They may be shit, but they look fantastic. Much like me.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Sherwyn Sarabi scored an IQ of 160, just like Albert Einstein, Bill Gates, and Stephen Hawking. The British boy is already studying at the level of a 9-year-old and has read over 190 books.

  • Bam!||

    He's already perfected the smug douche smirk.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    His name is Sherwyn.

    Sherwyn

  • BakedPenguin||

    "This is Stefan. His name is Stefan."

    "Harden the fuck up, Stefan!"

  • ||

    just like Albert Einstein, Bill Gates, and Stephen Hawking

    Hawking is not a genius, just a good physicist with a terrible disability, which is why he never won a Nobel. I'd place him very much below Penrose, who probably is a genius. I very much doubt Gates is a genius either.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Bill Gates has an IQ of 160.
    Stephen Hawking has an IQ of 160.
    Genius is defined here as an IQ of over 140.

  • ||

    Do you know this for a fact?

  • ||

    Here's what I got when googling

    Bill Gates is reported to have an IQ of 160, which beats out most of the nation. Where as President Barack Obama meanwhile is reported to have an IQ of 130, which just beats out former President George W Bush, whose IQ was 125. However, both fall short of former President Bill Clinton whose IQ is reportedly 137. On a side note, Hillary Clinton tops all of them, with an IQ of 140. However, all of them fall short of Adolf Hitler; the Nazi leader had an IQ of 141.

    Sounds like a lot of hand-waving to me.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Sounds like complete bullshit to me.

    First, expecting a public figure to accurately self-report their IQ is like expecting a high school boy to be honest about his penis size. Second, there is nothing which indicates that Hillary Clinton is anything close to a genius, in terms of rapid understanding of concepts or rapid response to developing situations. She does not and has never worked or shown interest in tasks and hobbies which generally attract and utilize high-IQ intellects. I call bullshit on the reported intelligence of the others listed as well, but Hillary's supposed IQ is particularly egregious.

  • ||

    Agreed.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    -anything close to a genius, in terms of rapid understanding of concepts or rapid response to developing situations

    Does genius IQ necessarily manifest itself in rapid understanding of concepts or rapid response to developing situations? Is timing that important in IQ testing?

    -She does not and has never worked or shown interest in tasks and hobbies which generally attract and utilize high-IQ intellects

    What would those be?

  • playa manhattan||

    Does a high IQ involve asking a rapid series of obvious questions?

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Would you call two a 'series?'

  • playa manhattan||

    Make it 3, Socrates. Shall we do a full tally of today's Bo Cara "Esq." questions?

  • Sevo||

    "Is timing that important in IQ testing?"
    It was when I was tested. You had X time to complete a page.

  • playa manhattan||

    Yep.

  • ||

    Hillary Clinton is anything close to a genius, in terms of rapid understanding of concepts or rapid response to developing situations.

    So being good at jeopardy makes you smart?

    And what the fuck is so great about being rapid? Since when does teasing out the mysteries of the universe require Macgyver?

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    A ccording to playa manhattan these are 'obvious' things.

  • Michael S. Langston||

    I think the point is that IQ tests test, among other things, the ability to quickly grasp and use new concepts/ideas.

    So yes, the lack of seeing that in someone would be a possible indicator that the same person may not score that high on an IQ test.

    & just in case you were curious:

    rapid understanding of concepts or rapid response to developing situations
    does not equal
    being good at jeopardy

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    you know who else sucks at Jeopardy?

  • Bobarian||

    Hitler played Jeopardy?

  • ||

    It's pretty hard to win when you're dead.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    No. It may be an urban myth. It's the popular accepted number. Nobody has any alternate numbers.
    This is a fact:
    Gates scored 1590 out of 1600 on the SAT

  • ||

    Heh, Paul Allen 1600.

  • playa manhattan||

    I had a 1560, and then after a serious head injury, a 1420. My life was much happier after the concussions.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Milo from the Descendents scored a 1420 on his SAT's. He even wrote a song about it.

  • Cyto||

    Somehow I think he left the standardized test scoreboard behind not too long after dropping out of college.

    He also appears to have left behind the money scoreboard more than a decade back after lapping the field. Now he's playing on the philanthropist scoreboard. Doing pretty well there too.

  • ||

    Dispatches from a progressive youth activism convention

    This year’s gathering went in a thousand directions at once, with fewer clear wins to celebrate and much more in-progress plotting and ruminating. I once described the look of RootsCamp as “the casting pool for a party scene on Girls”—a biased and limiting cliché that I largely stand by.

    But this year’s crowd included the chanting and mostly black Dream Defenders, activists who occupied the Florida Capitol in Tallahassee to demand changes to the Stand Your Ground law. This year’s badges included preferred gender pronouns, for anyone who wanted to be addressed by one that wasn’t obvious and didn’t want to make anyone feel too awkward for “misgendering.”

    This year’s panels—all of them are proposed by attendees, and placed on “the wall,” to be picked without judgment—included “Feeling Guilty About Our Privilege is Unproductive, but Storming In and Taking Over is Too” and “How We Got Queer Shit Done in Texas” and “11 Upworthy Ways To Maybe Win The Interwebs If You Are Lucky.” Bridget Todd of the New Organizing Institute provided the mantra: “Always throw glitter, not shade.”

  • Sevo||

    Uh, pretty sure IQ wasn't one of the qualifying issues here.

  • Warrren||

    Just rewatched Escape from L.A. via Netflix streaming.

    Much better movie than it gets credit for. Not a quality film but a great movie.

    And the fact that the villains were either government or wannbe government types who all get fucked in the end just adds to the enjoyment.

    Also, Steve Buscemi. Sure it's the usual Buscemi character but it so works here.

    Were many, if not all, of the action scenes preposterous? Sure, but who gives a fuck? They fit perfectly with the character and the setting.

    I'd put Snake Plissken right up there with Mad Max as the best of the loner, wandering anti-hero types. And he's up there in the general action-protagonist category as well. The pity is they could have done more movies with the character but the invisible hand didn't allow it.

  • ||

    Kurt Russel always seemed like he should been bigger than he was.

  • ||

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • ||

    Why Archduke, you look like someone just walked over your grave.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    I'm your Huckleberry.

    I watched this tonight. Was on one of the movie channels.

    Funny how we enjoy movies where the heros are statist as shit.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    My brother thinks Kevin Costner's Wyatt Earp is better.
    I'm so disappointed in that.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    In both movies Doc Holliday carried the film.

    Tombstone was a better movie, but I didn't dislike Costner's version.

  • ||

    Hell's coming with me!

    Although I'm not sure I'd call Wyatt Earp statist. His pursuit of the Cowboys was completely extrajudicial.

  • Bobarian||

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    I win.

  • Bobarian||

    To me, the line...

    "Why Johnny Ringo, you look like someone just walked across your grave"

    is the one.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    You're no daisy.

  • Bobarian||

    In vino veritas

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Age quod agis.

  • playa manhattan||

    Easy there, Snake!

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Call me Plissken.

  • ||

    Fallout 1, 2, and Tactics free until tomorrow morning.

  • ||

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    LOOK out. The universe could be about to collapse and squeeze us all into a tiny ball. And it could happen TODAY, according to scientists.

  • Sevo||

    Or a diamond pipe could open under DC at any time:
    http://www.allaboutgemstones.c.....ology.html
    And we would lose gummint activity! The HORROR!

  • Bobarian||

    Turning DC into a huge open pit mine might be a good start.

  • Warrren||

    Water table is too high, it would just go back to being a swamp. Which is just as good.

  • Agammamon||

    Speed of light means there's plenty of time for blackjack and hookers.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    School shooter today was liberal Dem who was "bullied" for his politics.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    In that case, he was completely justified.

  • playa manhattan||

    Well, this one doesn't fit the narrative, so why not?

  • Sevo||

    Man, the kid was a lefty troll, but other than that, WIH was going on there?

  • Warrren||

    In one Facebook post, Pierson attacks the philosophies of economist Adam Smith who through his invisible hand theory pushed the notion that the free market was self-regulating. In another post, he describes himself as "Keynesian."

    "...I was wondering to all the neoclassicals and neoliberals, why isn't the market correcting itself?" he wrote. "If the invisible hand is so strong, shouldn't it be able to overpower regulations?"

    I bet he was a regular reader of Sad Beard and Kruggie.

  • ||

    "He had very strong beliefs about gun laws and stuff," said junior Abbey Skoda, who was in a class with the alleged shooter her freshman year. "I also heard he was bullied a lot."

    He was probably just socially awkward and incapable of keeping his mouth shut.

  • Mellow Kitty||

    Carl Schmidt and Brendon Mendelson, both seniors at Arapahoe High, knew Pierson. They said he had political views that were "outside the mainstream," but they did not elaborate.

    I'm hard pressed to believe that his leftist claptrap was somehow "outside the mainstream" of American teenage thought.

  • Michael S. Langston||

    I'm hard pressed to believe that his leftist claptrap was somehow "outside the mainstream" of American teenage thought.

    That would depend mostly on the school and the surrounding area - there are still a lot of mostly conservative places in the US, and regardless of what the local school might teach, when all the children basically believe in things like gun rights, strong gun control views in those locales would likely be outside of what they all know as "mainstream" thought - as their mainstream is defined narrowly to their school, and in those cases where it is more broadly defined, it's still very regional.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Pierson also appears to mock Republicans on another Facebook post, writing "you republicans are so cute" and posting an image that reads: "The Republican Party: Health Care: Let 'em Die, Climate Change: Let 'em Die, Gun Violence: Let 'em Die, Women's Rights: Let 'em Die, More War: Let 'em Die. Is this really the side you want to be on?"

    Sounds like a direct quote from Alan Greyson - I'm sure the media will blame him for twisting the kid.

  • playa manhattan||

    A new episode of Whale Wars is on. God, I love the incompetence and self-righteousness.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Is Paul Watson on?

  • playa manhattan||

    I'm recording it for later because I'm packing right now, but the Tivo description says that he was forced to step down as commander. Such a black eye for Canada....

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • Mellow Kitty||

    I'm amazed at the tenacity with which Tom Green has clung to the withered carcass of his career.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT STEALING HARVARD

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Die Hard 2 is by far the most unrealistic aviation related movie of all time.

    How many other Airports are there within a few minutes flying time from DC?

    He's "recalibrating" ground level on the ILS?

    They couldn't spring for an advisor with his PPL?

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Are you talking shit about my favourite holiday movie?

  • Warrren||

    I thought your favorite Christmas movie was Christmas Time Clown's Anal Gang Bang IV.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    it really ties together the loose ends from parts II and III

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Good movie. COMPLETELY unrealistic.

  • playa manhattan||

    Are you one of those nerds who goes to ComiCon to argue with the producers about technical details?

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    A Wizard did it.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Being a pilot ruins a lot of Hollywood movies. You might take that into consideration.

  • playa manhattan||

    I probably get just as angry when they "enhance" grainy video on CSI.

  • playa manhattan||

    I think the most accurate pilot movie I've seen is "Planes" by Disney. They actually get the lingo correct when Dusty Crophopper is landing at JFK.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Oddly enough, The Incredibles wasn't bad.

  • Warrren||

    In the first year of the Letterman show on NBC they did a bit a few times where they would have someone review a movie based on their perspective as a professional in a certain field.

    The only one I remember was a glazier that criticized a movie based on the fact that the windows in a tavern were obviously incorrect and would let the clod air in and thus rendering the space uncomfortable and unusable.

    You would be a natural for that segment.

  • Warrren||

    *Cold air. Clod air is what would be generated by Buttplug and Tony's 69 marathon session.

  • ||

    The plane the Gary Busey look-alike crashes as a 'penalty ' was running on fumes. Yet it still explodes in a fiery explosion.

    John McClain somehow manages to ignite jet fuel with his lighter, which someone how manages to catch up with a taxiing airplane.

    In any case, the black henchmen getting shredded in the engine turbine would have been sufficient to cripple the plane.

  • playa manhattan||

    Yippie Kiy Yay Motherfucker!

  • JeremyR||

    The book it was based on was called 58 minutes.

    The protagonist in it was a cop (or something or other) that refused to kill people.

    Kind of funny given the body count in the Die Hard movies...

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    A dress worn by Brazilian model and actress Fernanda Lima at the World Cup draw has caused a big stir on social media in Iran.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • playa manhattan||

    I have some advice (advise):
    KNOCK IT OFF!

  • ||

    It makes sense.

    If you are hot for men wouldn't you be hot for men who encompass a masculine persona?

    You can't get more masculine then a men who want to fuck women.

  • ||

    You can't get more masculine then a men who want to fuck women.

    Pure cultural construction. Some of the ancient Greeks thought woman fucking drained your masculine essence, and I've been told for most of my adult life that men need the "civilizing influence of women." Also all the really great ancient heroes had male "companions" dating back to one of our first recorded stories The Epic of Gilgamesh.

    From the guy's actual statement, and a liberal amount of personal projection, it sounds like he's putting himself in a position to fail because of insecurity. He may also have a very limited set of gay friends and a much larger set of straight friends, which can make things difficult.

  • Winston||

  • ||

    Pure cultural construction.

    Even if you were right, you are wrong, it would not matter.

    Why would homosexual sexual desire be somehow immune to cultural constructions?

    Also like you said he is young and a virgin...I know my perception of what I like about women was culturally skewed...I mean did you see what women wore in the 80's their hair? Their make up?

    I am surprised the human race survived it.

    Or do you think he somehow, magically, is able to conjure up what a manly man was in Greece (why the fuck do we think ancient Greece is somehow the natural standard again?) was in order to construct his sexual preference rather then what the society and cultural norms of the days in which he lives in now?

  • ||

    Sorry, should've broken that up into two separate statements better. I was taking a crack at the idea that fucking women is inherently more masculine. You're right that it is perceived that way in our present culture. Hence "straight acting gay" and awkwardly for a friend of mine "gay acting straight" (he naturally has drag queen eyebrows. I pity him).

    While perceived masculinity may play a role. His statement makes it seem like he's self-sabotaging getting jiggy due to some kind of insecurity and the being in love with a straight friend is a convenient foil.

  • ||

    I was taking a crack at the idea that fucking women is inherently more masculine.

    I don't think you can.

    Without the biological role of impregnating women what makes a man a man?

    On a fundamental level a man is a human that impregnates women and a woman is a human that gets pregnant. It is kind of hard to claim the very gender roles that define the biological dividing line between men and women to be a cultural construct.

  • ||

    You're free of course to believe that, but what identifies one as particularly masculine or feminine has changed radically over time. Men in tights that showed off the calves super masculine at one time, much less so now.

    In some cultures sleeping with women was perceived by society as a necessary evil that drained some of the masculinity from us while sleeping with men did no such thing. Besides the Epic of Gilgamesh you see male companions as staple figures for the manliest heroes of old including Cú Chulainn in Ireland and Heracles/Hercules in Greece/Rome. The Theban Band was the most elite military outfit of its time, comprised of same-sex partners. I think there are enough counter examples in Western history to seriously question your biology based definition of masculinity.

  • ||

    I think there are enough counter examples in Western history to seriously question your biology based definition of masculinity.

    what?

    If gender is not biological then what the fuck is it?

    Also You keep bringing up Gilgamesh which has a whole bunch of hetero sex in it...and one platonic friendship between two men and no homosexual sex in it.

    The Theban Band was the most elite military outfit of its time

    Xenophon's 10,000 disagrees with you...plus it has the advantage of actually existing. Rather then being invented by a Roman 400 years after its supposed existence.

    Heracles/Hercules in Greece/Rome I see nothing particularly homo erotic about the companions that went with Hercules on his labors. Men do go to war with one another. Plus wasn't he punished with more labors because he accepted their aid? If anything Heracles is about the lone individual as being masculine.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • Winston||

  • Winston||

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/n.....y.html.csp

    In the introduction, Waddoups says the phrase "or cohabits with another person" is a violation of both the First and 14th amendments.

    Considering that the people who wrote the 14th Amendment explicitly opposed Mormon polygamy I guess that means the Constitution is officially meaningless, if that wasn't clear already.

  • Cyto||

    No, it means that they wrote something that conflicts with their personal opposition to specific religious choices and associations.

    The people of this country didn't waste much time in violating the terms of the constitution. They were stretching the meaning of the words pretty much right out of the gate.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    WTF? It's called the rule of law, not the rule of men. The fact that the Constitution has meaning independent of the particular opinions of the people who wrote it is a good thing.

  • playa manhattan||

    Merry Christmas HnR, I'll be gone for the holidays!

  • Warrren||

    Kick an elf for me!

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • playa manhattan||

    That's just your way of showing that you care. I'll be here all night; I have an entire season of Person of Interest to transfer from my Tivo to my iPad. That should cover my first day of vacation.

  • ||

    Hawaii 5-O meets Star Wars

    Enjoy your vacation. And good luck with what I know is your true purpose for visiting Hawaii: scouting a suitable volcano for your secret lair.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    BTW, that 5-O clip rocked!

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Star Wars as an 80s cop drama would rock.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    or 70s

  • Agammamon||

  • playa manhattan||

    Here's the bad news. I intended to take my older son to see a volcano (he's really into geology, physical science, and boobies), and that was part of the point of a Hawaiian vacation. To my dismay, I learned that Kilauea had stopped erupting just a few days after I booked the non-refundable trip. Now it's a completely non-educational trip, and I'll be stuck drinking umbrella cocktails by the pool all day. Damn it!

  • ||

    (he's really into geology, physical science, and boobies)

    You should take your son to Mexico if he likes boobies

    And the volcano isn't going anywhere, just show him the smoldering areas where the lava flow was.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    We've had an influx of boobies here in SoCal. A little unusual, but great for bird watchers.

  • Winston||

    You could educate him at the whorehouse.

  • ||

    Does one of the whores have a stone baby or something?

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    You're not going to Molokai are you?

  • Cyto||

    That's just plain bad luck. The hike across Kilauea's lava fields is still worth it - just bring lots of water and cool but protective clothing. It is much slower going than you might think across the broken ground.

    The trip up Mauna Kea to the observatories is also well worth it. Also, horseback riding in the Waipio valley is educational not only for its remote beauty and subsistence taro farming, but also for the "don't go past here or you might get shot" pot farms.

    In short: don't waste any time by the pool, Hawaii is an amazing place to see. The diving is amazing, even if you just snorkel, you can hike 11 different climate zones in the same day - really a great time. If you like coffee you should try a cup at one of the coffee plantations on the hillside above Kona. They offer tours and show how the coffee is made from earth to cup. More educational content. You can easily fill a week with little down time. Heck, if you like geology you could probably fill a week just exploring Kilauea. Pick up a couple of big flashlights at WalMart and you can have the spooky thrill of hiking into one of the big lava tubes. It gets really, really dark, really, really fast.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • playa manhattan||

    He's fuckin' hired. No further questions.

  • Bam!||

    Over-qualified.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Night kids.

  • playa manhattan||

    This is a Friday night in Montana.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    SNOW & the Pryamids.
    one night only

  • Bam!||

    That looks CGI. (I know it's not, I'm just commenting on the wackiness.)

  • Winston||

    So anyone looking forward to seeing The Wolf of Wall Street? Is it some anti-capitalist propaganda and will libertarians find it pro-capitalist?

  • Bam!||

    Trailers look dark-comedy awesome.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    yeah so I want to see it.

  • Winston||

    Glenn Greenwald interview:

    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/n.....4??src=rss

    Some excerpts:

    If you work for MSNBC or for CNN or whatever, you’re basically nothing more than an employee of a large corporation, and in order to thrive in large corporations, the attitude you need is somebody who gives power what it wants rather than looking to subvert it or to be antiauthoritarian. Antiauthoritarians don’t succeed in large corporations. They get expelled by them.

    I think the real Obama reveres institutional authority. He believes that it might need to be a little more efficient, but he has zero interest in undermining the powerful, permanent factions that have run Washington.

    .....

    I’d like to see Internet systems that are routed places other than the United States, to thwart their control. I’d like to see countries band together to raise the cost of allowing U.S. corporations and the U.S. government to construct this spying system. I’d like to see other big Internet corporations crop up that are geared toward protecting privacy rather than destroying it, to compete with the companies that don’t seem to value that much. I’d like to see ongoing eyes being opened to the role of the United States in the world and what its relationship is to their countries.

  • Winston||

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....33102.html
    Today, it is glaringly obvious to a wide range of Americans that the wealth of the top 1% is the byproduct not of risk-taking entrepreneurship, but of corrupted control of our legal and political systems. Thanks to this control, they can write laws that have no purpose than to abolish the few limits that still constrain them, as happened during the Wall Street deregulation orgy of the 1990s

    If he still believes this then he is a idiot.

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