Police Abuse

Troy, NY Police Chief Wants Zero Tolerance Policy for Brutality, Called for FBI Probe Into Internal Affairs; Internal Affairs Investigating Him

Clashing with police commissioner, others


good cop maybe?

John Tedesco, the police chief in Troy, New York, was interviewed this week by internal affairs over allegedly upholding a citizens complaint about brutality too soon. Tedesco has also called for investigations by the city council, as well as an FBI probe, into his department's internal affairs division. Via the Albany Times-Union:

Deputy Chief Richard McAvoy and Capt. Terrance Buchanan of internal affairs met with Tedesco for about 30 minutes in an office that was cordoned off.

Tedesco had said the media were invited to attend his interview, but no reporters were present.

The chief faces the investigation after a complaint was filed saying that the letter he sent [upholding a citizens' complaint] was written before the officer under investigation had exhausted the appeals process.

Tedesco's questioning came as city officials learned that the chief asked the City Council to investigate the police department's operations and internal affairs unit under Police Commissioner Anthony Magnetto.

Tadesco's attorney claimed in a letter that Buchanan was biased in favor of the local PBA, which opposes Tadesco, because they employ him off-hours. The attorney, who in an eight-page letter called for an inquiry into the internal affairs department, also said the police chief "firmly believes that a zero-tolerance policy against egregious misconduct must be strictly enforced to prevent future incidents of brutality and that his other 'best practices' and policies must be reinstated for effective and efficient management of the Police Bureau.

The City Council appointed Magnetto police commissioner in February, while Tadesco was away for training. His wife blasted the council for appointing Magnetto, and the PBA president made comments about the police chief that illuminate some of the source of the conflict. Via the Record of Troy:

Police Benevolent Association President Bob Fitzgerald… criticized Tedesco for his decision to deactivate the Emergency Response Team, listing the various instances it's been called upon for assistance not just in the city but surrounding municipalities. Fitzgerald also critiqued Tedesco's decision to take officers off U.S. Marshals detail and also taking school resource officers out of the schools, even going as far to suggest the 14-year-old girl who leaped off the top of Lansingburgh Middle School was looking for the officer before she jumped.

"The Troy PBA members respect Anthony Magnetto and know his experience will lead to success in the department," Fitzgerald said. "He ingrained in our minds early on, go out and do your job and don't embarrass this department."

Tedesco was also interviewed by the FBI this morning, which he said he welcomed.

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  1. the police chief “firmly believes that a zero-tolerance policy against egregious misconduct must be strictly enforced to prevent future incidents of brutality and that his other ‘best practices’ and policies must be reinstated for effective and efficient management of the Police Bureau.

    He better tread carefully, the cops in the union might give him the Serpico treatment.

    Police Benevolent Association

    Wrong B-word

    1. Police Belligerent Association?
      Police Bukkake Association?
      Police Buttfuck Association?
      Fuck Dunphy Association?

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  2. I think most police depts. have a “zero tolerance policy” about snitches, amirite?

  3. A stopped clock is right twice a day.

    1. I’m not sure he’s right. “Zero-tolerance policies” always seem to go overboard.

      1. Better than the “complete tolerance” program the BPA is offering up.

  4. Wow, not only do we have a police chief who seems like an all around good guy, but he’s in New York. What planet is this again? How the hell did he ever manage to rise through the ranks?

  5. Well at least he can watch Downtown Abbey.

    1. Downton Abbey.

  6. In other police chief news, how about a police chief asking to be paid in bitcoin

    Yes, that link is to police one. Shockingly, the comments don’t say “good shoot” anywhere, although they all seem to assume he is spending his entire salary on drugs.

  7. I didn’t see anything about this story on the local news. Instead, the assholes were hounding this guy, who they just know is guilty — the tone of the report on TV was even worse than the article.

  8. A police officer with diminished authority. Who would have thought that could ever be a bad thing?

    It’s amazing how much weird incestuous politics there are in city councils and police departments.

    1. Then again, when you think about it, people who make their living being confrontational assholes wouldn’t be above turning on each other.

  9. A libertarian Amazon user reviews an 85 inch Samsung TV. Price: $45,000

    5.0 out of 5 stars Very satisfied, November 25, 2013
    By James Thach
    This review is from: Samsung UN85S9 85-Inch 4K Ultra HD 120Hz 3D Smart LED TV (Electronics)
    My wife and I bought this after selling our daughter Amanda into white slavery. We actually got a refurbished. It’s missing the remote, but oh well– for $10K off, I can afford a universal, right? The picture is amazing. I’ve never seen the world with such clarity.

    Amanda, if you’re reading this, hang in there, honey! We’ll see you in a year.


    I just wanted to add an addendum to my review. Since posting it, we have received a flood of responses. People have said some pretty hurtful things–even questioning our values. Let me assure you, this was not an easy decision to make, and we made it as a family. Obviously, it’s very personal. But in light of all the second-guessing, I wanted to explain our thinking.

    First and foremost, screen size. I really think you can’t go too big. 85″ may seem huge, but you get used to it fast. Second, resolution. Is 4K overkill? Please, that’s what they said about 1080P! More dots = better. Period. And as far as this being a $40,000 “dumb” TV, people need to re-read my initial post: WE BOUGHT IT REFURBISHED. It was only $30,000.

    1. Some of you may think I’m avoiding the “elephant in the room”-the real reason why this was such a heart-wrenching choice. So let’s just get it out there. Yes, the 120 Hz refresh rate is a disappointment, especially on a 4K. But life is full of compromises. And frankly, we hardly notice. All in all, no regrets.

      P.S., as for our daughter, NO ONE has the right to question our parenting. Totally out of bounds. Amanda was going into 7th grade, so it was going to be a transitional year anyway. Now she gets to see the world. How many kids her age get to go to Bahrain? I sure as heck didn’t, but you don’t hear me screaming “child abuse.” Bottom line: MYOB! Seriously.

      1. That’s terrible. Why didn’t my parents ship me off to Bahrain? They knew I wanted to travel.

          1. It’s times like this that I cherish being raised in an effete culture of withering sarcasm rather than an honor culture.

            1. Really? I wish this was an honor culture. I suspect it would cut down on the mount of trash talking by smug pre-law liberal punks.

        1. There weren’t 85″ HDTVs back then, duh!

      2. So, showed this to a friend of mine and he reads through the whole thing without so much as a glimmer of a smile and his only response is an incredulous “There are TV’s that cost 30K?!”

        1. there are appropriate times for a bitchslap.

          That was one of them.

    2. This is Why There Are No Female Libertarians. Or is that cisgenderist?

      1. Or is that cisgenderist?

        And possibly heterosexist.

      2. What that is is “the awsum”

    3. And the last update:

      Has it been a year already? Wow! I guess that’s what 8 hours a day of immersive TV will do for you! Many of you have expressed your eagerness for an update. Well, here goes.

      Generally, the Samsung has held up beautifully. We have noticed a little bit of lag, mostly in multi-player gaming–but not enough to cost us any firefights. There have been some issues up-imaging low rez content, but that’s to be expected when you early-adopt–we’re still “waiting on the world to change,” as John Mayer would say (gosh he’s talented.) On the plus side, we feel like we are now officially part of the cast of GOT. The other night Peg almost had to open a window to let Daenerys’ dragons fly out!

      And you’ll all be happy to know our darling Amanda is back with us, safe and sound. She has changed a little. She’s less talkative than before (though she had some choice words for me when I asked her to clean her room). And she’s started wearing eye make-up, which has Peg a bit concerned. But welcome to thirteen, I guess. We’re just glad to have her home. And she loves the TV. That’s the main thing. In fact, she spends so much time in front of it lately, you’d swear she owns it.

      I love a happy ending. Free Markets Bless Us, Every One!

      1. What about the libertarian bonafides of Herman Goering? He was a fat white man who took drugs, was shot by police, opposed US foreign policy, used slave labor, was caged by US cops, believed in the right to die and made sure to embarrass his executioners.

        1. I hear they celebrate his birthday every year on Antiwar.com.

        2. What is libertarian about being fat, white (Stalin was fat and white), taking drugs, opposing US foreign policy (Hirohito opposed US foreign policy), using slave labor (Egyptian Pharoes did this), being caged by cops (Jeff Jones anyone?), and embarrassing his executioners?

    4. Chinese finger traps, as reviewed by Amazon troll James Thach.

      1. That guy deserves a Pulitzer or something.

        Can we trade Buttplug for him?

  10. Is it just me or was today an excessively slow commenting day?

    1. Oh bitch bitch bitch. I thought you were busy evaluating Nazi whores or something.

      1. Not until the 28th. None of the Lufthansa flight attendants at the airport near where I work piqued my interest.

    2. I fixed the problem for you, see below.

      1. I noticed, but abortion threads between you and Bo are kinda flyover territory for me, not exactly the irreverent banter I’m looking for.

        Thank you for the effort though.

        1. Next time I’ll do Star Wars.

          1. That might troll the PM links better. Maybe confuse some of the main characters with star trek characters.

          2. OK, I’ll be sure to skim past those too.

  11. Smack my bishops!

    A Catholic hospital fails to abort a 4 and a half month fetus. The mother’s health was endangered, she claims…in a lawsuit against the Catholic bishops for their policies regarding abortion at catholic institutions. The guidelines allow essential lifesaving surgery on the mother, even if the child dies, but does not permit just killing the child.

    Oh, the ACLU sponsors the suit.


    1. -Tamesha Means, the plaintiff in the lawsuit, said that when she was 18 weeks pregnant her water broke and she rushed to Mercy Health, the only hospital in her county.

      Her fetus had virtually no chance of surviving, according to medical experts who reviewed the case, and in these circumstances doctors usually induce labor or surgically remove the fetus to reduce the mother’s chances of infection.

      But the doctors at Mercy Health, Ms. Means said, did not tell her that the fetus could not survive or that continuing her pregnancy was risky and did not admit her for observation.

      She returned the next morning, bleeding and in pain, and was sent home again. That night she went a third time, feverish and writhing with pain; she miscarried at the hospital and the fetus died soon after.


      1. She didnt sue the hospital, she sued the bishops.

        Even the NYT reporter found an alternate perspective to the plaintiff’s lawyers and expefts – a church linked expert who explained that the abortion guidelines dont require leaving women todie. The quotes about the hospital’s behavior dont show how the bishops did anything wrong.

        This is the standard, print the plaintiff’s version and wait until the defendants reply some time later when the public’s impressions havr already been formed, kind of story.

        1. Oh, and check the correction at the bottom – the reporter misidentified the state where the suit was filed. Yeah, really used some shoe leather on that one.

          1. So should we be skeptical of the alternative expert the reporter tracked down?

            1. We should be skeptical of everything the reporter writes. He couldn’t tell Michigan from Wisconsin! I suppose to the *New York* Times all those flyover states are indistinguishable.

              1. Well, try not to have your cake and eat it too, there!

              2. In fact, the reporter did not seem to know that Muskegon, where the incident took place, is in Michigan.

                You shouldn’t rely on some progressive newspaper in New Jersey for your information.

                CORRECTION: I should have said new york, not new jersey.

                1. If I can’t rely on h&r commenters, who can I trust? WHO, I ASK?

          2. “Virtually no chance of surviving”

            Now theres a good standard for when its OK to kill a living human being! “The injured motorist had virtually jo chance of surviving, so I killed him and harvested his organs. I’m a life-saver!

            1. Eduard, legally speaking that is not a person.

              Morally speaking it is something reasonable, well intentioned people honestly disagree about. It is certainly not ‘clear’ or ‘obvious.’

              But that pregnant woman was, to all parties concerned, was.

              One criticism of some pro-lifers is that they are so caught up in abstraction that they might imperil obvious, agreed upon persons for one celled (or already doomed) ‘babies.’ This story could lend support to that, which is why I imagine pro-lifers such as yourself are so anxious to ‘get in front of it.’

              1. It wasn’t one celled, it was 4.5 months old. As for “doomed,” – does this mean we can kill someone who’s about to die anyway? There are probably killers in prison today for killing old ladies who are shocked to find it was a crime to kill some old biddy at death’s door.

                And I have some depressing news -we are all “doomed” to die. It’s still a crime to hasten the process.

                1. Eduard, all of your points are beside the point, because the disagreement concerns whether an 18 week old (or for you, a one day old) fetus/embryo is ‘someone.’ There is quite a lot that could be said to separate that from an old biddy, a born person ‘at death’s door’, etc.

                  So you have dodged the point again it seems.

              2. Fetuses aren’t “one celled” at 4 and a half months.

                It’s irrelevant anyways, nobody should be able to force a hospital to perform an operation against their wishes.

                1. Your first point is irrelevant in at least two ways (notice my ‘or’, and I know from previous conversations with Eduard that a one celled embryo=a four and a half month (doomed) fetus to him.

                  I agree with your second point, with a caveat: that they fully informed the patient of their policy, the position she was in, and her options.

              3. “Legally speaking that is not a person”

                And legally speaking, black people, suchh as this plaintiff apparently is, were at one time unpersons in the eyes of the law.

                1. It is a good thing I did not rest my entire argument on that one point then, right?

                  Of course, in the lawsuit legally speaking is pretty crucial.

                  1. Legally speaking Dred Scott was not a citizen.

                    1. So at this point you are not even reading my responses? You have a set kit of talking points, and you are going to put them forward, no matter what!

        2. I think suit against the Bishops Conference is, to say the least, odd. But it could be a more honest way of achieving the same thing.

          From what I can tell they are going to allege a type of negligence action, that what the hospital did here was a violation of the duty to care for the patient. So the questions that arise are: what is that duty? did the hospital breach it? and, if yes to the second, were they following the Conference’s directive (or was following the directive the cause of the breach)? Usually you would sue the hospital, it seems the better route legally to me. But if the answer to the third question is yes then a win against the hospital would effectively end the Conference’s policy as well (unless they just wanted to put themselves at risk over and over).

          And you are obfuscating the question a bit. Perhaps the directives allow for ‘essential lifesaving surgery on the mother, even if the child dies’ (and perhaps it does not, that will be an issue at trail no doubt). But the question in this case is more specific: was what the hospital did here in keeping with the medically established duty of care in this situation, or did the hospital deviate from that standard in order to not take an action against the (doomed) fetus?

          1. The obfuscation is in talking about “doomed” fetuses or “little or no chance” of living, as an Aclu statement quoted in Michigan Live put it.

            “He has little chance of living.

            “Well stuff this pillow over his face until he suffovates! We need the bed space!”

            And, yes, the ACLU wants to abolish the bishops’ policy, because they want these hospitals doing elective abortions. If you think this is just about “doomed fetuses” youre mistaken.

            1. More obfuscation.

              We are talking about protecting a fetus who is not going to make it either way in a way that endangers the health of a born woman whose health everyone agrees (I would think, right?) is important.

              1. Not everyone has agreed, historically, on the importance of black peoples’ health or lives. There was a genuine debate with sincere people on bothh sides. Who are you to impose your controversial position that black peoples’ lives are worth protecting?

                1. Eduard, are you saying black people-four month old fetuses?

                  Actually, as a strong pro-choicer I should say, please, please, say more and loudly that black adults are equivalent to four month old fetuses!

                  1. Say loudly that Alveda King, niece of Martin LutherKing, doesn’t care about women because she’s prolife. As a prolifer, I urge you to say it.

                    1. Oh my word, what a terrible argument from (?) authority!

                    2. You’re pitting black babies against black adults, and think that will win you points.

                    3. I do not equate black adults with black fetuses, yes.

              2. Imagine a set of Siamese twins. One of them is terminally ill, and if they are not separated it will kill them both, but if they are it will slightly hasten the inevitable death of the other.

                What would you say should be done?

                Now part of me wants to say ‘imagine that second twin is a four month old fetus.’ For the vast majority of people that is important. A four month old fetus (google it folks, take a look and read about it) seems importantly different than a normally born person. But I know for Eduard and others it is not, so, there it is.

                1. The siamese twin situation, as I understand it, is indeed how the bishops view the tragic minority of cases where the life of either party is endangered. Lifesaving surgery, iirc is ok if it has, as an undesired side effect, the death of the other “twin.”

                  But you know the aclu isnt going to just allow abortions in such situations, and stop there? I mean, you’re aware they want first, broadly defined abortions for “health” at catholic hospitals, followed by elective abortions?

                  1. -But you know the aclu isnt going to just allow abortions in such situations, and stop there?

                    Ah, ah, you have here stepped away from the facts at issue in this case!

                    Lord, you live on that slippery slope, eh?

              3. And dammit, since Bo thinks it’s important, let’s just enforce that moral dictate onto every doctor in the country!

            2. -the ACLU wants to abolish the bishops’ policy, because they want these hospitals doing elective abortions

              I can not read their minds, but from what I can glean about the suit it is not elective abortions, but abortions when the fetus is doomed and the mother’s health is at stake that are at issue.

              1. The aclu web site doesnt say doomed, it says “little or no chance that the fetus will survive.” So it allows for some possibility of survival, but they’d abort anyway. They mention healts, but under the roe line of cases healts is defined quite broadly.

                1. If you want to stake your line on causing women like this one to suffer like this for ‘some possibility’ (though mostly expert agreement it will not) of a four month fetus to survive, let me encourage you to do so.

                  1. Take, say, 100 fetuses with each one having 5 percent chance of survival. That would be “little chance” of survival. Let doctors in each case diagnose a health rish to the woman. Remember healts is broadly defined and includes mental health. Abort all the fetuses. Chances are, youve killed 5 viable fetuses. And this even under your logic that its ok to kill certain human beings who are on the verge of death.

                    1. -Remember healts is broadly defined and includes mental health.

                      Not in his case Eduard, this was clearly physical. You are obfuscating again, but I guess it is all for ‘black babies’ so that makes it OK.

                  2. No, but I’m willing to “stake my line” in saying that hospitals and doctors shouldn’t have your moral stance forced on them through the courts. For someone who claims to be a libertarian, you sure do tend to bend the rules in favor of progressive outcomes.

                    1. Bill, you should read the entire thread, including my 11:57 response to Apatheist, where I answered this, before making such comments.

      2. So what? Why is it the obligation of the hospital to provide her the care she wanted? The libertarian position in favor of the hospital is much clearer than some of the absurd stretches you’ve made. It’s certainly much more libertarian to say a Catholic hospital shouldn’t have to perform abortions than that Nabisco is aggressing by calling their Oreos “Double Stuf”.

        1. I answered this supra in my response to Apatheist. Of course the hospital should not be forced to engage in any procedure they do not wish to, the only question then would be whether this hospital fully informed this young lady about that and what was going on when she came to them for what they hold themselves out for: medical services. But if that were established then they should have no duty to do what they object to.

  12. On topic, color me mind-numbingly shocked and deeply impressed (but, as a proper libertarian, suspicious and waiting for the other shoe to drop) that a cop actually seems to care about his people being paragons of the law they are meant to enforce.

  13. Barack Obama says that the real minimum wage is lower now than it was under Truman. It turns out that was only true one year, and the year the real minimum wage was higher it was only by two cents.

    Politifact says he’s half right.

    If Barack Obama wrote for Politifact, I don’t think it could be more pro-Democrat.

    1. Golden Age of Fact Checking!

    2. Eh, I do not see that one as so terrible. Essentially it comes down to cherry picking a year that is 3 cents from being technically correct=a ‘half truth.’

      I have seen worse from fact checkers.

      1. I’ve told this story around here before, but Politifact once rated a Romney statement a lie because he quoted some government report saying a program could cost “up to $XX millions,” and while that was an accurate quote and the top estimate, there were other lower estimates, so Politifact decided Romney was lying.

        No shit.

        1. Are you fucking serious?

          That kind of shit makes me feel like i am taking crazy pills.

          1. Read it and weep. And it’s better than I remember. It was actually about the number of people who might lose their health plans under Obamacare. The highest CBO estimate was 20, which now looks like it might be low. But Politifact said: “So the 20 million number Romney cited does come from CBO, and he hedged by saying ‘up to.’ But it’s the most extreme outcome of the five presented, and it’s not the primary estimate.” So they rated it as a lie.

            But Obama’s “If you like your plan, you can keep it” pledge? Politifact recently rated that a “half-truth”!

            1. Wow, that is clearly a double standard.

    3. I see where they get 1/2 right, but even using inflation dollars I don’t think allows one to say the minimum wage has increased/decreased wrt time.

      As a quick search shows that indeed most things were much cheaper in 1950 than today (lots of little facts here), but I still think we’re missing something from this comparison as it still seems our poverty line today includes cars, tvs, cellphones, whereas I don’t think most poor in 1950 had cars or tvs.

      I assume this is because of large savings in other areas – but full disclosure, that is a straight assumption as I couldn’t find proof of this – but it does seem our poor are much richer than 1950s poor, but based upon every single measure, it doesn’t make sense that that is true (which could easily mean my assumption is wrong).

      Maybe it’s government money? Also, 300 million people versus 150… more dual income households today… but not sure what the exact affect of each of these might be – only that the numbers don’t seem to square with reality (or my perception is way off).

      Anyone? Help pls 🙂

      1. I haven’t given a lot of thought in this direction, but it seems like the hedonic factors economists try working into their models instead completely invalidate their efforts. How does one begin to make quality-of-life adjustments based on the cheapness, accessibility, or improvements to consumer goods? How can you begin making comparisons with a comfortable living wage in the 80s, a time when consumer habits and thriftiness were vastly different form today’s, much less the 50s? More importantly, is poverty today less drastic a condition than it was in the 50s? How do you characterize the tradeoff of fewer social programs but greater mobility? More safety nets vs. fewer hurdles to leaving them? Would you prefer living in an era of brutal individualism with a shot at making it in the middle class, or mired in poverty by dint of the comforts afforded the poor through lavish social spending?

        1. Like I said, I haven’t done a lot of thinking in this vein so I’m not articulating well, but too often politicians and their court economists view social welfare spending as inarguably good, and falling per capita social spending relative to overall wages as inarguably bad, with no reference to how well the poor are living or how lone the dole queues have gotten.

          Also, your link doesn’t seem to adjust for inflation. From what I can tell, gasoline in the 50s was about a buck cheaper than it is now.

      2. No, you’re right. I once read that around WWII, the average British working man owned one pair of pants. In the 1930’s, my mother in rural Virginia might get, as a Christmas present, a piece of fresh fruit. (And the family wasn’t exactly poor by the standards of the time.)

        Today one can be considered poor and own an air-conditioned home, a car, a computer, a smartphone, eat out regularly, and be obese.

        1. You can only be considered “poor” and OWN a home if your measurements are only taking income into account. Anyone who owns a home has a substantial asset to their name and is not “poor.”

      3. Austrian economist Don Boudreaux at Cafe Hayek from time to time has compared prices/standards of living with the past.

  14. How sexy are you, really?

    1. Well, at least two of the three biggest turn-ons apply to me.

      1. Serious and sincere aren’t exactly the same.

        1. My handle refers to the fact that I have a case of this

          Otherwise I’ve been told I’m very witty and charming.

          1. Otherwise I’ve been told I’m very witty and charming.

            So you hang around with a bunch of liars.

            1. Irish comes in with a neg.

            2. I like me.

          2. Ah, the scourge of BRF. I’m sorry to hear you’re a sufferer. That must be hard.

            1. Yeah, I’ve had to learn to brush off and ignore people who constantly tell me to smile.

              Of course I have a very goofy smile so it’s a challenge to look sexy in a bar when eyeing a girl.

              1. If people think you’re charming, your “goofy” smile might be part of that.

                1. I agree, I’m very comfortable with who I am and have had much greater success with women in recent years.

                  The bar/club scene just isn’t for me though. I find I am at a disadvantage in loud, crowded places where you have to shout to have a conversation because I’m rather soft-spoken.

    2. Are too sexy for your shirt?

    3. What a bunch of anti-penis pumped bastards!

  15. Reposted from the PM Links because it deserves even more abuse heaped on it.

    The Underpants Gnome Vision of the Economy

    How can people be this stupid and be successful in life? And I’m not just talking about the president, I’m talking about the people in his political apparatus that make a living creating infographics like that.

    1. I suppose instigating massive labor-saving investments and coincidentally disemploying millions, of low-wage workers may indeed spur another tech boom.

      140,000 jobs created in robotics in under a decade! Unfortunately, unemployment stays put at a stubborn 15%.

    2. https://reason.com/24-7/2013/11…..im#comment

      So how about that libertarian moment? Or the “fiscal conservative socially liberal majority” Michael Hinh and other Reasonoids are going on about?

    3. Those replies. Is twitter always like that? For some reason I just love it.

      1. I just read them. That was strange. Where do they get off being so off topic to the original post?

    4. Jeebus, that’s the most mind-numbingly, economically wrong infographic I’ve ever seen in my life. It’s frightening that there are people who believe that. It’s 100x as frightening that a President believes it. Are there real economists who believe it??

  16. “The chief faces the investigation after a complaint was filed saying that the letter he sent [upholding a citizens’ complaint] was written before the officer under investigation had exhausted the appeals process.”

    OOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhh. A huge no-no. Such an ominous example of blatant corruption. Just the major crime that internal affairs was established for. Pricks.

  17. Okay, Ed who sneaks in a link at 8:21 PM? I was on the Sullom post going where the hell is everyone?

    1. we were trying to lose you.

    2. Is that where everyone is? Anything worth going back and reading?

    3. Yeah, and you missed this:
      Nothing good will come of this. All prices should be the same all the time since that’s what those icky free-market people claim, right? I mean that’s what my frat brother told me!
      “‘Convoluted’ hospital pricing under scrutiny”
      “Making the front page of the New York Times can be a cause for congratulation. Not so, unfortunately, for California Pacific Medical Center.”
      Yes, the NYT unleashes gallons or ink wasted on stupid words once more.

      1. SF’d the link, dude.

  18. So how do Nick Gillespie and Virginia Postrel explain the fact that Hitler and Stalin gave their countries TV? Or that North Korea under the Kims introduced TV and the internet?

    1. Piggybacking on the innovations of economically more evolved countries, at the expense of other industries. How do you explain it?

      1. I think it shows this article is really superficial?

        1. You answer to my suggestion is restating your original question?

          1. Well your suggestion didn’t respond to my complaint?

            That said I think you are right about “Piggybacking on the innovations of economically more evolved countries, at the expense of other industries,” though I would imagine German TV piggybacked on the research made in pre-Nazi times.

            1. I don’t know how Hitler, Stalin, or the Kims (who I can’t help but associate, entirely accidently, with the Kardashians) managed or manage to do anything in those countries at those times. It does help having more technologically successful neighbors, but the resources they allocate to those things must come from somewhere. Maybe the Kims dipped into the black-market meth trade and graciously reinvested the proceeds in laying down some copper wire in Pyongyang.

              1. Winston is just being ‘cute’ here, no?

                The article he links to is one from Virginia Postrel, longtime libertarian activist and Reason contributor.

                Ms. Postrel takes the position that libertarians should be optimists, that markets find a way to make people’s lives significantly better today than they were in the past.

                But, a lot of people, Winston included perhaps, find it very important to conclude that this is the Worst Time Ever. For some, that helps them make the partisan case that the current administration is The Worst Ever.

                Ms. Postrel’s position is therefore threatening to them. So they were naturally very, very upset about it.

                They are libertarians, not Republicans, mind you, they just want you to constantly remember that the current administration is pure Satanism, and anyone who they think undermines that is Bad. The next administration, if a different party, will be so much better, because of course it was not the previous GOP administration that ran up record government expenditures before this one.

                1. You have to admit this administration is the worst we’ve ever seen, except for the next.

                  1. This administration is bad enough for what it does and doesn’t do.

                    But when Obama himself takes the stage and decries the lack of social mobility – a minority who went to Harvard Law and is the first black man to be president of the US – and nobody even has a thought to call him on it… ..I give up.

    2. If you loathe the contributors here so why hang out here?

    3. So how do Nick Gillespie and Virginia Postrel explain the fact that Hitler and Stalin gave their countries TV? Or that North Korea under the Kims introduced TV and the internet?

      I think Dweebston basically gets the right answer to your question. If all you’re trying to do is implement an existing technology, tyranny can be quite good at doing so. You simply starve other industries of the resource they need in order to pursue your project. What doesn’t get seen (back to Bastiat) is the consequence to those other industries. Your gain from your golden waterfountain is outweighed by the loss your ability to feed yourself.

  19. Oldest human DNA discovered in Spain: 400,000 years old

    Scientists have reached farther back than ever into the ancestry of humans to recover and analyze DNA, using a bone found in Spain that’s estimated to be 400,000 years old. So far, the achievement has provided more questions than answers about our ancient forerunners.

    The feat surpasses the previous age record of about 100,000 years for genetic material recovered from members of the human evolutionary line.

    This artist’s rendering shows Sima de los Huesos hominins who are estimated to have lived approximately 400,000 years ago during the Middle Pleistocene.

    Experts said the work shows that new techniques for working with ancient DNA may lead to more discoveries about human origins.
    Results were presented online Wednesday in the journal Nature by Matthias Meyer and colleagues at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, with co-authors in Spain and China.

    They retrieved the DNA from a thighbone found in a cave in northern Spain. It is among thousands of fossils from at least 28 individuals to be recovered from a chamber called the “Pit of the Bones.” The remains are typically classified as Homo heidelbergensis, but not everybody agrees.

    Let’s not worry about the details and clone us some cavemen.

    1. This is the interesting bit:

      But surprisingly, the DNA instead showed a closer relationship to Denisovans, who lived in Siberia and apparently elsewhere in Asia, far from the Spanish cave. Scientists are uncertain of how to explain that, Meyer said.

      1. But surprisingly, the DNA instead showed a closer relationship to Denisovans, who lived in Siberia and apparently elsewhere in Asia, far from the Spanish cave. Scientists are uncertain of how to explain that, Meyer said.

        Uh, they walked?

        Who do I contact for my PhD and Nobel???

  20. Juggalos need a new home. Can you help?

    1. Perhaps Insane Clown Posse can save everyone some hassle and simply hold the next Gathering in jail.

      yes, please

    2. Maybe they can social network over JuggaloBook, or the ICP app with nearby Jaggalo finding abilities to come up with a solution.

    3. This, the story of a young girl’s rise to fame and subsequent pelting with shit, literal human excrement by juggalos, was surprisingly engaging.

      1. This, the story of a young girl’s rise to fame and subsequent pelting with shit, literal human excrement by juggalos, was surprisingly engaging.

        Felt bad for the poor girl, then I read the article and got here:

        Tila Tequila

        and laughed.

        I know, I’m a horrible human being, but seriously, I’d pay money to see her pelted with shit.

        1. Like I said, surprisingly engaging.

      2. I literally LOL’d at this

        Lil Kim also performing tonight!! Woohoo! This is gonna be so fun!! I bought a TON of cool shit that imma spray at the crowd!!! Lol!
        1:52 AM Aug 14th

        Go to http://www.tmz.com violence against women like myself or anyone for that matter is not ok! Lawsuit is pending.
        12:25 PM Aug 14th

  21. Watching Ali. Never saw it before. Thought it was just a boxing movie. Good flick.

    1. Added to the list, but full disclosure, the list also includes The Godfather (all of it), Scarface, Trainspotting, and a bunch of movies that for whatever reason I’ve never watched.

      But not Alien/s. I took care of that a few years ago.

  22. Red band trailer for Lars von Trier’s ‘Nymphomaniac’ shown before Disney’s ‘Frozen’

    Parents in the auditorium in Tampa, Florida, reportedly struggled to cover the eyes of their offspring, while others headed swiftly for the exits, as an apparent technical error saw the promotional clip for Danish agent provocateur Lars von Trier’s salacious new film suddenly hit the big screen.

    “They put in the filler, it looked like Steamboat Willie, the old Mickey Mouse cartoon, and then all of a sudden it goes into this other scene,” grandmother Lynn Greene told My Fox Tampa Bay. “It seemed like forever when you’re trying to, you know, cover a little guy’s eyes. I didn’t have enough hands to cover his ears too and he got the sound down real good.

    “You’re talking, what, a PG-rated movie to all of a sudden have an R-rated scene up there for little children?” she added. “My concern is that there should be safeguards in place so that this doesn’t happen again.”

    The trailer has been described by Vanity Fair as one of the most explicit ever shown in mainstream theaters. Von Trier’s much-hyped film, which features Uma Thurman, Stellan Skarsg?rd, Christian Slater, Jamie Bell and Shia LaBeouf, will use digital trickery and body doubles to portray its famous stars having sex.

    1. Am I alone in thinking von Trier is a jumped-up pretentious hack who only gets lauded because he’s Eurotrash?

      1. I haven’t seen many of his movies, but I did like ‘Melancholia’.

        1. I did like ‘Melancholia’.


          1. As a metaphor for depression, sure. And despite it’s lagging narrative the actual end of the world scenes were beautifully rendered.

          2. Perhaps that will teach you to insult the proud nation of Monaco.

      2. I thought his politically incorrect statements about being a Nazi were hilarious. But of course his films are pretentious.

      3. I’m a big bjork dork so I have a copy of “dancer in the dark”. The soundtrack is of course awesome but that movie is the most negative, sad shit I have ever seen. It’s like the whole movie is a sadistic exercise in torturing the main character who can do nothing but whimper and take it. One of the few movies that actually made me angry at its director.

    2. Well that last sentence is the most offensive part; the actors couldn’t just fuck? I get it – you’re Uma Thurman, and you have to fuck Shia LaBeef or Christian Slater? – but it’s a big aspect of the film. And it’s art! Take it or decline the role.

      1. Given the direction Uma Thurman’s career has gone since Kill Bill, is she really in a position to demand anything with regard to work?

  23. How long before Tedesco accidentally, tragically shoots himself while shaving?

    1. Trips and falls down the stairs while the video surveillance system was undergoing routing maintenance. Synchronicity.

      1. Commits suicide by shooting himself in the back seven times with a bolt action rifle?

        1. The coroner concluded that the officer’s highly trained muscle memory allowed him to shoot himself while already dead. The body was cremated though generous contributions by the Police Union, family members protested and wanted an investigation but were run out of town…

  24. OT: Computer Science researchers claim that specific types of attack show that BitCoin is fundamentally broken:


    What happens when a selfish mining group is formed?

    Once a group of selfish miners appear on the horizon, rational miners will preferentially join that mining group to obtain a share of their higher revenues. And their revenues will increase with increasing group size. This creates a dynamic where the attackers can quickly acquire majority mining power, at which point the decentralized nature of the Bitcoin currency collapses, as the attackers get to control all transactions.

    When a single pool controls the currency, does the value of a Bitcoin go to $0?

    No. It all depends on how the controlling group runs the currency. But the decentralization, which in our view is so critical to Bitcoin’s adoption, is lost. It would not be at all healthy for the Bitcoin ecosystem.

    What’s the core discovery here?

    We’re the first to discover that the Bitcoin protocol is not incentive-compatible. The protocol can be gamed by people with selfish interests. And once the system veers away from the happy mode where everyone is honest, there is no force that opposes the growth of really large pools that command control of the currency.

  25. Gotta love those corrupt cops lol.


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