Drug Legalization

This Is Your Brain on Crony Capitalism

Look for these signs that somebody you know is addicted to making money off the drug war

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"I wrote a marijuana column in 2013 that assumes people don't know what 'getting baked' means."
Credit: The Hills Treatment Center

Folks, today, as Attorney General Eric Holder announces a plan to scale back the impact of mandatory minimum federal drug sentences by deliberately omitting some information from indictments, it has become even more important to discuss an addiction that is plaguing the community. I am talking about the terrible addiction of crony capitalism in the drug treatment community.

Assuming Holder follows through with his plan, we may see more efforts to direct anybody who uses drugs (whether they're addicts or not) to drug treatment programs. No doubt many of these programs mean well. No doubt there are many people who come to them who truly are addicts and need help controlling their substance abuse. But sadly, not everybody who heads or operates these clinics is able to control his or her own addiction – an addiction to the money that comes from either government contracts to provide drug rehab or the money that people and insurance companies are required to pay them from drug court diversion programs.

This addiction to crony capitalism and rent-seeking has devastated our community. It is rapacious. It is unending. Worst of all, in the drug community, it is going mostly unchecked.

Don't believe me? I will show you a real example of the effects of crony capitalism. But be warned! It is not for the faint of heart. I would think carefully before exposing small children to what I'm about to show you.

Meet Dr. Howard C. Samuels, founder of the The Hills Treatment Center in Los Angeles, an expert in addiction, and a recovering addict himself. Last week CNN's Sanjay Gupta announced that he has changed his mind from his previous resistance and embraced medical marijuana as a legitimate treatment for some illnesses.

Samuels penned an opinion piece of his own for CNN, opposed to the legalization of marijuana. Reading through the editorial, the symptoms of a man heavily in the throes of an addiction to crony capitalism are visible:

Poor reasoning skills

Do you know why we don't see potheads out in public? It's because they're sitting at home smoking weed and staring at their television sets or playing video games all day. Do you have any idea how many marijuana addicts I encounter at my rehab on a daily basis? They talk about wanting to be productive. But what pot does is it kills their motivation—it destroys people's ability to go out and work and to have a career. It makes them want to do nothing but lie around all day. Is that what you want for your children? Is that what you want for your loved ones?

Samuels' livelihood depends on believing that this is true. His own experience as an addict and experiences with addicts reinforces this belief. But it's not true. Most marijuana users are not addicts. According to the federal government's own estimates, about 9 percent of marijuana consumers will become addicts.

Commenters on his CNN piece who use marijuana criticized his faulty logic in making this claim, but it's unlikely to affect his outlook. In the grip of crony capitalism, it's important that as many drug users be classified as addicts as possible. The government will then force these users into drug treatment and it will pay off for Samuels and others who share his addiction.

Paranoia

And how do you market marijuana? We have only just now moved into an era where cigarette smoking is commonly known to be harmful, but now advertisers have a new product to sell. Who do you think they're going to market their product to? Not you or me, because we're not stupid enough to believe the lie; we know too much. They're going to follow in the footsteps of the cigarette companies in the 1980s and market this stuff to young people.

Who is "they"? Why market to young people? Samuels lacks any sort of logical explanation as to why this would happen. It's fearmongering that comes from the possibility that he and other crony capitalists may lose out on customers if marijuana users aren't directed his way. The claim that some unidentified person or group will "come from your children" is a common ploy to scare the public from choosing more appropriate drug policies based on real-world behavior.

Inability to recognize reality

Marijuana supporters like to argue that marijuana is similar to alcohol. While alcohol is legal, it also accounts for tens of thousands of deaths every year in car accidents or other drinking-related misfortunes. But we can't turn the clock back on that one because it's too embedded in our society.

Marijuana is also extremely embedded in our society. An estimated 25 million Americans smoke marijuana each year, about 8 percent of the population. That's a lot of "potheads" sitting around the television playing video games all day.

Samuels is obviously aware of the popularity of marijuana. He mentions earlier his awareness that Los Angeles residents are able to legally secure medical marijuana cards with little evidence they have any need of it. But it's very important for Samuels' livelihood to reinforce the idea of marijuana users as societal outsiders or problem children who need help.

Lack of empathy

Supporters of marijuana say that marijuana should be legalized because old people and women and children who have ailments like glaucoma or cancer or intractable seizures need it.

It is painful to watch people suffer. I am not against helping people. In a perfect world, a woman suffering from cancer should be able to get a prescription from her doctor, go to a pharmacy, acquire her medical marijuana, go home and recuperate from her last round of chemotherapy. But we don't live in a perfect world, and you don't need a Ph.D. to see that the spirit of that argument is being exploited by people who aren't using the marijuana for medical reasons at all; they are using it to get high.

Introducing legalized marijuana into our culture would be like using gasoline to put out a fire, because it stunts growth.

The argument that we must live in a perfect world in order to allow for the legalization of marijuana is also a symptom of Dr. Samuels' crony-capitalism-fueled poor reasoning skills. The willingness to discount the real assistance marijuana provides to certain users is yet another common side-effect of the addiction to crony capitalism. He is willing to accept that harm may come to others due to his severe position against legalization.

We must stamp out this growing addiction to the crony capitalist component of the War on Drugs. I can only urge Dr. Samuels to seek counseling for his need to keep marijuana illegal in order to keep his business thriving. It may be that legalizing marijuana may not even be the threat to his livelihood he thinks it is. Actual addicts may still need help overcoming their struggles. But without the law, governments can't force people to turn to rehab facilities like The Hills Treatment Center, removing a guaranteed source of income.

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  1. we may see more efforts to direct anybody who uses drugs (whether they’re addicts or not) to drug treatment programs

    May? That’s the most optimistic thing I have head in a very long time.

    WILL is the word we are looking for here.

    I immediately imagined the conversation between Holder and Obama, the content of something like the following.

    Look, this Rand Paul guy is making us look like the bad guys, and everyone knows that Democrats are the good guys. So, steal his idea and announce it now, before he can get that to vote in Congress.

    And, why put people in prison? They aren’t generating us any revenue like that. Force them into drug treatment and steal all of their money. That’s a much better solution.

    1. Sadly, the drug war, if any sort of victory against it is ever obtained, will just continue by other means, namely committing people to the care of creatures like this guy.

      1. Yes, and they won’t even need to bust people to force them into treatment. Somewhere hidden in Obamacare, there is probably a clause that will allow forcing citizens to have routine checkups for their own good, which will include testing for drugs. Test positive? We’re from the government, and we’re here to help!

        If there isn’t a clause in there to do that, they will add it later.

        1. OCare definitely includes incentives for “wellness” programs, which typically include testing.

          OCare also opens the way for massive data-sharing, which could certainly include the results of your wellness tests.

          Bottom line: positive drug tests go into a government database. You have nothing to hide, right, comrade?

          1. Fuck wellness programs. You would have to be a fucking nut to go to one of those things.

            1. You would have to be a fucking nut forced for your own good to go to one of those things.

              Don’t worry, John, they’re working on it…

              1. “If you are going to be in the system, you can’t choose not to go to the doctor for 20 years. You have to go in and be checked and make sure that you are OK.”

                – John Edwards, speaking about the Democratic Party’s health care plan in 2007.

                Count on it becoming as real as death panels under ObamaCare. Of course, just like the death panel is called the Independent Payment Advisory Board and penalties are called taxes, universal mandatory drug testing will be called “making sure you are OK.”

                Because Commerce Clause, bitches.

          2. “Bottom line: positive drug tests go into a government database. You have nothing to hide, right, comrade?”

            For those who think doctor/patient confidentiality will survive Ocare, I have three letters for you:
            IRS

            1. And if anybody wonders why the IRS has the authority to do this, there are four more letters:
              FYTW

  2. “Marijuana is also extremely embedded in our society. An estimated 25 million Americans smoke marijuana each year, about 8 percent of the populations.”

    Not to play “Busy-body, wannabe editor” but was is population plural? It hurts my eyes. The goggles do nothing!

    1. ‘why.’ Oh, the irony.

        1. That’s what she said!

          1. Don’t other Scott with your heteronormative language!

  3. It is painful to watch people suffer. I am not against helping people. In a perfect world, a woman suffering from cancer should be able to get a prescription from her doctor, go to a pharmacy, acquire her medical marijuana, go home and recuperate from her last round of chemotherapy. But we don’t live in a perfect world, and you don’t need a Ph.D. to see that the spirit of that argument is being exploited by people who aren’t using the marijuana for medical reasons at all; they are using it to get high.

    No, it is not painful for you to watch old people suffer. You don’t give a fuck. It is more important to you to make your money selling your cargo cult science known as rehab than it is that people don’t suffer. You are perfectly happy for other people to suffer so that you can make a living. Fuck you.

    1. Exactly. And this lie is the giveaway:

      While alcohol is legal, it also accounts for tens of thousands of deaths every year in car accidents

      Inflated number. But it exposes the basis for his business to exist in the first place: hundreds of unfortunate people who were not driving recklessly at all but happened to be spotted and tailed by cops after leaving bars. The state funnels all the perps to the counseling centers and the only way for these counseling centers to grow their businesses is for the state to have lower and lower tolerance for whatever substances these counseling centers allege are bad for you.

      1. And soon enough, it won’t only be alcohol or drugs. It will be whatever the government decides might be bad for your health.

        The day is coming when your required health check-up will reveal higher than healthy levels of sodium in your diet. Then they will check the data and see that you have 2 children aged 4 and 6.

        A couple of days later, is when, to protect your children from living in a household where too much salt is in their diet, that a 15 member swat team busts down your door in the middle of the night, shoot your family pets, taze your elderly grandma, and snatch the kids to be put under state care. All of your assets will be forfeited of course, for the children.

        Laugh about that, all you want, but the thing is, is that is where we are heading and it’s not 20 years away, it’s in the very near future.

        1. Yup. The only good news is that we are such a huge country, the number of people they do that to will be relatively small. So chances are it won’t happen to you personally. But it will happen to someone.

          1. Right, and no one else will care because it didn’t happen to them, and they will be sure that the person it happened to must have been doing ‘something’ wrong.

  4. I noticed that “diversion to treatment” bit in Welch’s post. What are the odds prosecutorial discretion will depend on accepting “voluntary” treatment?

    “We’ll allow you to sign away your due process rights in order to stay out of the cage.”

    1. In many ways rehab is worse than jail. The first step in rehab is admitting you are an addict. They brainwash you to believe you are an addict truth be damned. I think I would rather take my chances in jail than dealing with these assholes telling me I am an addict every day.

      1. See, there’s the first step for us to determine that you are an addict. You’re in denial. So therefore, you are an addict.

        1. A user is an abuser.

        2. Precisely. We’d better put him into treatment, even if he doesn’t want it. Because if he doesn’t want the treatment, it clearly demonstrates that he needs it.

      2. Then there’s that wrinkle in the twelve step program where you must subscribe to a higher power.

        Don’t work so well for atheists.

        1. The atheist higher power can be Obama, or maybe Hillary. Or Obamas dog.

          1. For me, I’d say it’s money; or rather, making it.

            1. And you’ll need more now in order to pay from your treatment.

        2. Yeah, it’s very hard to get to the other 11 steps when the first one is impossible for you to complete.

        3. No. Atheists are just taught to worship the state. Everyone gets a higher power. It comes standard issue.

          1. What percentage of atheists are actually like that though?

            And what percentage of those are actually atheists rather than idiots?

            Not trying to pick a fight here; I can completely understand how a good chunk of atheists could choose to have their morals handed to them from a “higher power” (state), since developing your own principles and morals is actually a hard task to undertake.

            1. Most people are idiots. And idiots come in all metaphysical flavors, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists and atheists. Really your views of metaphysical truth don’t usually say much about whether you are an idiot or not.

              Think about it. The same people who pride themselves on being an atheist and not being some superstitious theist will often believe in all sorts of new age nonsense. You have to get a lot more specific about someone’s views than “atheist” or “theist” to tell how big of an idiot they are.

              1. The same people who pride themselves on being an atheist and not being some superstitious theist will often believe in all sorts of new age nonsense.

                That’s kinda what I meant. Just because you don’t call it “God” doesn’t mean you don’t believe in [insert whatever here] that isn’t exactly like what believing in a god would be like.

              2. The same people who pride themselves on being an atheist and not being some superstitious theist

                Don’t confuse atheists with anti-religionists.

                The latter gives the former a bad name.

            2. I’ll pick one.

              I’m an atheist, and part of the reason why is because I refuse to take on faith that some other power has a tighter grip on morality than I do. I refuse to hand the responsibility for my own actions to some Sky God and his priesthood; if I do something wrong, it’s my fault, not God’s or the Bible’s, and the same goes for things I do that are right. I refuse to pass on moral culpability by claiming that I was following the orders of an imaginary being. For that matter, I don’t lean on a religion to tell me the difference between right and wrong, or just and unjust.

              Now, if you want to, that’s up to you. I wouldn’t make the same choice, and I don’t respect your religious beliefs per se, but I respect your right to choose them and practice them to the extent that it doesn’t infringe on my rights.

              Communism doesn’t work with religion but could probably tolerate spirituality. But socialism and certainly statism are not only fully compatible with religion but positively thrive in religious environments. Look at the Catholic Church’s role in politics even today.

              1. if I do something wrong, it’s my fault,

                I agree. But why do you think that believers in any religion blame God for their faults? Personal responsibility and dealing with the consequences of our failures is one of the basic functions of any religion.

          2. John| 8.12.13 @ 11:40AM |#
            “No. Atheists are just taught to worship the state. Everyone gets a higher power. It comes standard issue.”

            Bullshit projection.

            1. Bullshit projection.

              Total humorless inability to get the joke. It come standard issue with going to rehab, you half wit.

              But don’t worry, no one think your inability to understand the sarcasm means you are defensive or anything.

          3. No. Atheists are just taught to worship the state. Everyone gets a higher power. It comes standard issue.

            White Hispanic Lizardmen Cyborg halfbreed hybrid Reveltors don’t need higher powers. The revealed truth emanating from the lower domains suffices.

            1. You clearly haven’t been to rehab yet.

              1. No, I’ll get around to them one day, they still remain unconquered.

        4. Yep. And most of the programs that courts make people go to seem to be 12 step based.

          1. Statistically, it’s the most effective. Although statistically, I think the 12-step programs have like a 15% success rate.

            1. I’m sure it works well for some people. People who really want to get sober and can accept the higher power and “you’re not in control” stuff. I’m sure the people forced to be there by the courts mostly just make it harder for the people who genuinely need or want help to get it.

              1. . I’m sure the people forced to be there by the courts mostly just make it harder for the people who genuinely need or want help to get it.

                Pretty much. I showed up drunk when I was required to go, about half the time. The other half I was high.

                1. I showed up drunk when I was required to go, about half the time. The other half I was high.

                  When I went there was a guy handing out pot-brownies at the door.

          2. Well, 12 steps generate more results revenue than one step, duh!

        5. The Twelve Shits program doesn’t work so well for most people, atheist or otherwise.

      3. In many ways rehab is worse than jail. The first step in rehab is admitting you are an addict.

        Well, they can’t have you thinking it’s OK to do things they’ve deemed arbitrarily illegal. That would defeat the FYTW clause of the constitution.

      4. As this relates to alcohol…friend of mine just got busted on DUI charge in a certain mountain state. Same as you mentioned above: not impaired but over the legal limit. She is not allowed to drink alcohol AT ALL while on probation (12 months). Even if we go out for dinner & I drive she is not supposed to drink.

        The rehab class is run by the local chapter of MADD (who I was unimpressed with before this but am now hating). And the guy running it had a son killed by a drunk driver ten years ago. So imagine his take on this. And, yes, everyone in the class is treated as an alcoholic.

  5. My buddy is a pot head and he’s far from lazy. In fact, he’s endowed with a strong work ethic.

    He’s a mechanic who specializes in American hot rods.

    Just saying.

    1. The lazy pot head is a total myth. You are no more lazy smoking pot than you are drinking beer.

      1. I’ll be the first to admit that drinking beer does not make me overly ambitious. In fact, when I drink beer, I am not doing anything more productive than cooking on the grill or molesting the wife.

        1. “Hey, baby. You’re alright. You’re sister too!”

          1. your. Jesus. I’m retarded today.

            1. I’m not sure which you’re, you’re trying to replace…

              1. Let’s be charitable and assume it is the right one.

                1. The second. No?

        2. I’ve done some rather over-ambitious home improvement projects while drinking beer. I usually end up having to redo them.

          1. Someone will probably call me an idiot, but I love having a nice joint and a couple of beers and building furniture in the shop. Not the most efficient way, but a nice way to relax.

            I do draw a line at running chainsaws and firing guns when drinking.

            1. I’m calling you an idiot.

              You pretty much asked for it…

              1. Well, my body parts are all still attached.

            2. I poured a concrete pad for a built-in grill island (reinforced with rebar) after seeing it done on youtube. That one cost me a couple hundred bucks to fix.

              1. Renting a jack hammer can get expensive.

              2. Heh. Probably not best to mix your first attempt at something like that with beer.

                I hope it went something like my favorite Simpsons episode ever where Homer becomes an artist.

                The best line ever: “Why must life be so hard? Why must I fail in every attempt at masonry?!”

            3. I do draw a line at running chainsaws and firing guns when drinking.

              Idiot!

          2. I tie flies while I drink. The next day, it’s pretty obvious at what point during the evening each was tied.

            Fish don’t care.

          3. See, this is why I stopped getting ambitious while drinking.

      2. Although, if the guy running this clinic were still smoking dope & sitting home watching TV we would be better off.

        1. Exactly. The net benefit of having busybodies de-motivated and chillaxing can’t be calculated but I wish it could.

    2. OUTLIERS!!!!

  6. Supporters of marijuana say that marijuana should be legalized because old people and women and children who have ailments like glaucoma or cancer or intractable seizures need it

    No, most supporters of legalizing weed, say that it’s none of your fucking business what someone else puts in their own body.

  7. What saps my motivation is not some chemical, it’s the soul crushing work environment I have to go to every day where efforts to improve efficiency or just merely get the job done ar obstructed by people who want to feel important by giving their “input” or making you jump through their hoops. Producing results gets you punished by having to make up for the slack in other employees, and you catch crap from all sides from people who assume you’re one of ‘those’ employees who don’t do anything. It’s enough to make people turn to substance abuse to get away from it.

    1. just merely get the job done ar obstructed by people who want to feel important by giving their “input” or making you jump through their hoops.

      Sounds like my job description in a nutshell.

    2. Hah! Been there, done that.

      It’s always great when you have some executive that the company owner hired after meeting him at a bar. Then the guy reads some magazines and the next thing you know, has this wonderful idea to revolutionize all of the companies processes. So he announces it, the president loves it, but even the folks who clean the facilities are looking at each other like ‘WTF? That will never work’. 10 months and a million dollars later, the plans are scrapped, and the owner goes looking for the next genius to save the company.

      1. Witnessed it at the bank too. Years ago when I worked at customer service for a national call center the big shots from Toronto came in and announced a genius plan to eliminate teller services and have everyone use the ATM. They foresaw a future with Bender.

        The first question that came up was “what will you do with the little old ladies?” We understood that demographic was not going to change their habits and last I checked they represented a large part of the client base. Not only that, we heard on the phone what customers wanted and one thing people like is human interaction.

        We’re that way.

        Anyway, months were spent changing store hours, adding ATMs, training the call center, and adding staff all the while they kept patting themselves on the back for being the best call center this side of the St. Lawrence. Meanwhile, me and my buddies knew it was going to back fire.

        Customers DID rebel and we heard it.

        Lo and behold it did and now banks are fighting to see which one will be open longer.

        I went through plenty of stupid ideas. The call center? It was contracted. I think there may be a monkey or two now on the phones and cob webs at my old desk.

        Little old ladies. Who knew?

        1. Should be “we’re weird that way.”

    3. Would you like to go to a meeting so we can discuss forming a group to investigate how we can have meetings to discuss how we can be on schedule so we can have meetings once we make that schedule?

      1. Someone once wrote something to the effect of, ‘Meetings, the reason that humankind will never achieve it’s full potential’.

        Myself, I would replace the word ‘meetings, with ‘government’.

  8. Color me surprised that a guy who was a total fucking degenerate from the time he was 16 to the time he was 32, and only didn’t end up doing decades in prison because of his rich connected father, thinks everyone else is an addict too.

    1. It has to be the drugs’ fault, because the alternative, that Howard Samuels is a uniquely pathetic douchebag, is unthinkable!

      1. Exactly. Believing in addiction is Sammuels’ way of not having to face the fact that he was a horrible person for a good portion of his life.

        I am sorry. I don’t believe in “addiction”. I think some people really like using drugs such they are willing to sacrifice other things in their life to use them. But I don’t think using drugs makes you a thief or a bum or a liar. I think you are those things to begin with. The drug use is just an excuse.

        1. Samuels is still a horrible person, but now he gets to be self-righteous, too.

  9. Do you think the drug war continues out of an abundance of civic responsibility? Of dedication to protecting the children? Of ending the personal devastation wreaked by narcotics abuse? Ha!

  10. And now for something different – government alcohol ad in Pennsylvania.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftk9K7WhMf4

    I never realized how similar Pennsylvania is to Transylvania.

    1. Say no to liquor privatization. We don’t want other children to lose their parents our cushy union jobs.

    2. That video made me rage. So many fucking logical fallacies combined into one video…

  11. OT and anecdotal:

    I learned more about drugs from drug programs than I ever would have were I not forced to endure them. They introduced me to drugs I never would have tried had I not heard about them.

    1. Me too. I had no idea that pain pills were fun to take until DARE showed me.

      1. I had no idea that pain pills were fun to take until DARE showed me.

        I believe this is the most-awesome thing I will read all day. Therefore, I need to publicize it.

        thanks, John!

        1. It is true. I was like 11 and had never had anything bad happen to me. How was I supposed to know?

          1. My first fun drug experience was with Imitrex when I was 11 and started having migraines. I went around the house feeling surfaces and talking about how cool they felt and giggling. My parents thought it was hilarious. Apparently Howard Samuels would’ve forced me into treatment.

    2. I grew up around Drug Dealers and the real addicts, seeing them made me stay away from mind-altering substances. The ‘official government programs’ were officially a joke.

    3. After my bicycle DUI I had to go to Level I Alcohol/Drug abuse counseling. Basically I learned what cops look out for, the correct answers when a representative of the state asks you alcohol related questions (never admit to ever having more than four drinks in a sitting because five drinks means you’re a binge drinker who needs sympathy and help) and I made a few connections for buying drugs.

      1. So, a win then. Knowledge is power.

        1. Except those stupid classes cost around $1200 in NC, plus an extra $150 for wasting your life to show up and take a bullshit test that a 3rd grader could lie his way through.

          1. Mine was free from the state.

            And it consisted of how to not get busted while drinking and driving.

  12. When I hear about drug court, I always think about the following show I heard on “This American Life”, where people were basically put into the probation system for minor drug offenses–like simple possession of small amounts.

    http://www.thisamericanlife.or…..tough-love

    Most of these people were pressured to plea bargain into the system and given the promise that their convictions would be expunged from their records once they completed the program. …but the length of their probation (again, for minor offenses) could be seven years or more.

    Meanwhile, the terms of probation were so onerous, that it was hard for anybody to meet all the terms for such a long length of time, and there was no appeals process for violating them. If someone gets a false positive on a drug test, for instance, as I understood it, there was no recourse.

    1. Probation is a bitch. And it costs a fortune. We would be better off sending people to jail for a couple of months than keeping them on probation for years. The whole system is fucking idiotic.

    2. the terms of probation were so onerous, that it was hard for anybody to meet all the terms for such a long length of time

      They view that as a feature, not a bug.

      I knew this woman who later got a job at the jail, and one of her favorite things in the world was to go into bars and look for faces she’d recognize from recently being in jail. She’d walk right up to them and in a very loud voice say something like “Hey Ken! How ya doin? Weren’t you just in jail? Would your probation officer like to know you’re in a bar?” and giggle as the person ran out of the bar.

      What a bitch.

      1. Heaven forbid someone gets out of being locked up like an animal and want a drink. That’d be almost like being human, or something.

  13. Bottom line: positive drug tests go into a government database. You have nothing to hide, right, comrade?

    Sensible, reasonable background screening for gun ownership is the right of all Americans!

    1. Plus. like, 90% of Americans WANT this.

    2. And 99% support it! But we can’t have it, because mean old Republicans!

      1. See – support has gone up 9% just in the minute since I originally posted!

        RISING SUPPORT FOR THESE MEASURES!

        1. It’s 100% now, it just that we didn’t know how much we wanted it, because our betters didn’t explain it well enough the first time!

  14. But what pot does is it kills their motivation…

    This is how retards talk when they are speaking extemporaneously. I didn’t know anyone was stupid enough to write like this, presumably in a piece that was edited and altered. Unless this idiot was writing an op-ed in stream of consciousness, this is unforgivably stupid.

    1. It is on the same logical level as saying “those damned lazy Irishman can’t keep off the whiskey”. It is just more politically correct, but just as stupid.

      1. Actually, “those damned lazy Irishman can’t keep off the whiskey” is TRUE, so I don’t know what you’re on about.

        /lulz

        1. That’s not true. I’ve gone weeks where I only drank tequila, bourbon, or vodka. Damn your slanderous lies!

      2. I didn’t mean the content, per se, I meant the structure. He put twice as many words in that sentence, like a halfwit politician stalling while grasping for words. In verbal form, it usually goes like But, uh, what pot does, uh, is, uh, it kills their motivation…

        Whereas if a person with actual human-level intelligence were to tell this lie, especially given the time to actually write it out and submit it for publication, it would go like:

        But pot kills their motivation.

        Literally half as many words. Only morons and politicians equate excess verbosity with intellect.

        1. Scientists do it, too. I have taken 30-word sentences and pared them down to 6.

          1. Not all scientists. Again, only morons and politicians. IOW, you’re either stupid or evil if you’re impressed by that crap.

    2. Read his wikipedia entry. I’m assuming he wrote it.

    3. But what (pot) socialism, does is it kills their motivation…

  15. lost me at “marijuana addicts.” Bullshit. Ain’t no such thing. There are no physical symptoms of any sort associated with not getting high. None.

    1. lost me at “marijuana addicts.” Bullshit. Ain’t no such thing.

      People can be psychologically addicted to marijuana. I’ve met several who would freak right the fuck out of they couldn’t get high. Personally I could take it or leave it, though I usually take it.

      1. You can be psychologically addicted to anything. We have people who are psychologically addicted to trolling this board, but it’s not a comment on the board itself.

        1. but it’s not a comment on the board itself.

          Or is it?

        2. Reason is just victimizing shreek. They should cut off his account out of compassion.

        3. And psychological addiction is just another term for “likes to do something”. I post on this board because my job bores me to death and I can’t do it for more than two minutes at a time. On days when it doesn’t, which are rare but do occur, I don’t post on here. But amazingly I don’t get the DTs or withdrawal symptoms. It is almost like I have a choice or something.

          1. I post on this board because my job bores me to death and I can’t do it for more than two minutes at a time.

            I can relate. In case you didn’t notice, I didn’t post once the week before last. Why? I had the week off.

            1. It is funny as shit. These boards are dead on the weekends. How did we work are soul destroying jobs before the internet?

              1. Booze.

                In an amazing coincidence, having a few drinks at lunch went seriously out style right around the time the intertoobs became a thing.

            2. that’s too funny. I had last week off; no posting on any board. Don’t see my job as soul-destroying but it’s does not require unbreakable focus.

      2. freaking out is not the same as unable to function or getting the shakes or becoming physically ill. I like a good buzz, too, but it’s not a requirement for the day.

    2. VELEZ-MITCHELL: Addiction specialist, Howard Samuels, is Michael Lohan addicted now to Kate Majors?

      HOWARD SAMUELS, FOUNDER AND CEO, “THE HILLS TREATMENT CENTER: Well, probably. And it definitely is true. I definitely think what Jennifer was saying is absolutely true.

      But there are different degrees of obsession. I mean this is so off the top, to be arrested a couple of times, with the judge threatening you. For him to do this, I can`t believe he didn`t relapse. I mean I cannot believe he did this sober even if he`s totally addicted to his girlfriend.

      Apparently, the threshold of “addiction” isn’t difficult to reach with Samuels.

      1. When all you have is a hammer…

        1. When all you have is a government-dependent addiction clinic and no skills or mental abilities that would let you support yourself honestly, everything looks like an addict.

          1. It’s not as funny when you explain the joke.

  16. Do you know why we don’t see potheads out in public?

    What’s the word for a question like that where the premise is false? It’s like asking “Is the present king of France bald?”.

    You see potheads out in public everyday. You just don’t notice because most of them are perfectly productive and motivated people who live normal lives. Some of the most hard working people I know wake up every day and get stoned.

    1. Seriously. In my neighborhood, I think I’m the only person out in public who isn’t a pothead.

  17. Lately, my own consumption habits seem to be changing despite myself. I can only take so many beers at a time anymore, and in the last 2 or 3 weeks, since running out of something more on topic here, I haven’t bothered to restock. Maybe it has to do with positive dietary and interpersonal changes, or in tandem with one or two other things, but it’s happening, nonetheless, and without spending 5 figures and a month out of my life in someone’s for-profit re-education program.

    1. You’re too depressed to even get drunk anymore.

    2. You’re obviously in denial.

    3. I basically became a professional drinker in college, and continued right through my 30’s playing with top-level bagpipe bands (the inhuman power drinking – it’s part of the game!).

      Through my 40’s I just started drinking less and less…now almost nothing.

      On the other hand, I quit smoking pot completely in my mid-20’s, and just started again a couple years ago – the VERY rare puff with my friends a couple times a year.

      However, I’ve informed Mrs. Almanian to get ready for Farmer Brown once I retire – cause Ima start growing my own again, like when I was in my teens, and smoking ebby day, till I die. Cause RETIREMENT.

      I just got tired of pot and quit, the drinking just isn’t fun any more…but the pot smoking’s appeal has returned. Age? Dunno

      1. That is the thing. A lot of us have gone through stages in our life where we drank or smoked or whatever a lot because we could or were under a lot of stress or whatever. But eventually it gets old or circumstances change and you move on to doing something else. This is called not being a degenerate. And that is how most people are. And degenerates like Samuals who don’t have that ability fucking hate those of use who do. So they pretend that we are all just addicts and can’t help ourselves.

  18. But what pot does is it kills their motivation — it destroys people’s ability to go out and work and to have a career.

    Isn’t there a member of the choom gang working at the white house these days?

    1. No – there’s no “work” being done there – just making edicts to others who DO work

  19. I wonder what Walter White thinks of all this.

  20. Speaking of Walter White…

    I’ve never been a regular watcher; the other day I caught part of an old episode in which his wife apparently is supposed to be laundering money through a car wash. White dumps off a bunch of money, and she points out that running cars through nonstop 24/7/365 could not possibly generate that much revenue, much less all in fifty dollar bills. Huh.

    1. Thanks for the spoiler alert.

      Some of us are still watching the back catalog on Netflix, you know.

  21. Assuming Holder follows through with his plan, we may see more efforts to direct anybody who uses drugs (whether they’re addicts or not) to drug treatment programs.

    Talk about a captive market!

    No doubt many of these programs mean well.

    No doubt the managers of such programs had the best of intentions when they started them, but getting money by pointing a GUN at someone’s head is still called “robbing.”

  22. OT: Local Denver idiot commits repeated fraud for years, is finally called on it, pretends it never happened.

    http://www.9news.com/news/arti…..r-ancestry

    Ladies and gentlemen, your modern media!

  23. Then trembling as if he cannot repeat the form, he will stumble along as though speaking for himself or for another, so that there is not an absolute form of oath and yet he may be thought to have sworn. If the words are there, they are so turned around that he does not swear and yet appears to have sworn. Or he converts the oath into a form of prayer, as “God help me that I am not a heretic or the like”; and when asked whether he had sworn, he will say: “Did you not hear me swear?” [And when further hard pressed he will appeal, saying] “Sir, if I have done amiss in aught, I will willingly bear the penance, only help me to avoid the infamy of which I am accused though malice and without fault of mine.” But a vigorous inquisitor must not allow himself to be worked upon in this way, but proceed firmly till he make these people confess their error, or at least publicly abjure heresy, so that if they are subsequently found to have sworn falsely, he can without further hearing, abandon them to the secular arm”.

    –Bernardo Gui, Inquisitor of Toulouse, 1307-1323

  24. /”It’s because they’re sitting at home smoking weed and staring at their television sets or playing video games all day.”/

    Clearly Mr. Samuels has never experienced what my college roommates and I dubbed “Day High Adventures”
    Highlights Include: The Planetarium, Regular Museums, The Action Figure Museum (real thing), and strolls around campus!

  25. “According to the federal government’s own estimates, about 9 percent of marijuana consumers will become addicts.”

    Which is pretty amazing for a non-habit-forming substance.

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