Police Abuse

Cops Beat "Possibly Intoxicated" Man to Death in Bakersfield; Citizen Camera Evidence Seized

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Modern policing, from Bakersfield California:

Blood stains are still visible on the sidewalk at the corner of Flower Street and Palm Drive, where a Bakersfield man struggled with as many as nine officers and later died this week.

David Sal Silva, 33 and the father of four young children, died early Wednesday morning after deputies say he fought with them and CHP officers who'd responded to a report of a possibly intoxicated man outside Kern Medical Center….

The Kern County Sheriff's Office says Silva resisted, a canine was deployed, more law enforcement arrived, batons were used and the man later had trouble breathing. He was taken to KMC, where he died. An autopsy was slated for Thursday, but no results have been released.

Some witnesses apparently took cellphone video of the incident but deputies moved quickly to seize the phones. The Sheriff's Office, after releasing a statement Wednesday and naming its officers Thursday, declined all further comment.

People who say they witnessed the incident as well as Silva's family members described a scene in which deputies essentially were beating a helpless man to death. They were indignant that cellphone video had been taken away by deputies…..

At about midnight, Ruben Ceballos, 19,was awakened by screams and loud banging noises outside his home. He said he ran to the left side of his house to find out who was causing the ruckus.

"When I got outside I saw two officers beating a man with batons and they were hitting his head so every time they would swing, I could hear the blows to his head," Ceballos said.

Silva was on the ground screaming for help, but officers continued to beat him, Ceballos said.

After several minutes, Ceballos said, Silva stopped screaming and was no longer responsive.

And apparently stealing any possible evidence of their guilt is par for the course with the police:

John Tello, a criminal law attorney, is representing two witnesses who took video footage and five other witnesses to the incident. He said his clients are still shaken by what they saw.

"When I arrived to the home of one of the witnesses that had video footage, she was with her family sitting down on the couch, surrounded by three deputies," Tello said.

Tello said the witness was not allowed to go anywhere with her phone and was being quarantined inside her home.

When Tello tried to talk to the witness in private and with the phone, one of the deputies stopped him and told him he couldn't take the phone anywhere because it was evidence to the investigation, the attorney said…..

A search warrant wasn't presented to either of the witnesses until after Tello arrived, he said, adding that one phone was seized before the warrant was produced.

Tello said the phone of the first witness was taken after the deputies told him he was either going to give up the phone the easy way or the hard way.

Oh well, one less possibly drunk guy in public is one less possibly drunk guy in public, right?

Silva left behind four children, ranging from ages 2 to 10 years old. As of Thursday afternoon, his mother said, they hadn't figured out how to tell the children their father is dead. 

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    1. If you think Frank`s story is unbelievable,, last pay-cheque my girl friends mom got a cheque for $5854 sitting there in their apartment and they’re best friend’s step-mother`s neighbour did this for 8-months and got paid over $5854 in there spare time on-line. use the information on this site…. http://WWW.DAZ7.COM

      1. THAT IS SO AMAZING

        1. You too.

        2. What’s more amazing is that in 2013 computers can’t filter out obvious spam.

      2. Fuck off.

        1. ?????

      3. Why is it that when the cops beat someone to death, it’s never one of these goddamned spammers?

        -jcr

  1. Thomas Kelley 2: Hit Harder.

    1. Is this an annual event in Bakersfield? Saw this Youtube video of a similar-looking incident from exactly a year ago. http://youtu.be/4u2By0L591M

  2. Tello said the phone of the first witness was taken after the deputies told him he was either going to give up the phone the easy way or the hard way.

    New Professionalism = Mob Professionalism

    1. How is that not felony assault?

      Yeah, I know, FYTW.

      1. How is the evidence not subject to subpoena if the victim’s wife files federal charges against the alleged murderers?

  3. Fucking animals.

    When Tello tried to talk to the witness in private and with the phone, one of the deputies stopped him and told him he couldn’t take the phone anywhere because it was evidence to the investigation

    So now even lawyer-client privilege is something they can violate? Hasn’t it been ruled that you can film the police in California?

    Fucking animals.

  4. I came here lookin’ for somethin’
    I couldn’t find anywhere else
    I don’t want to beat nobody
    Just want a chance to beat myself

  5. …where a Bakersfield man struggled with as many as nine officers and later died this week.

    But I’m sure the men’s chorus of “stop resisting” that rang out that night was beautiful to hear.

    1. They were just accompanying percussionists.

      1. +1

  6. “When I got outside I saw two officers beating a man with batons and they were hitting his head so every time they would swing, I could hear the blows to his head,” Ceballos said.

    Silva was on the ground screaming for help, but officers continued to beat him, Ceballos said.

    HE WAS COMING RIGHT FOR US!

    1. “A weapon in the waistband!”

  7. How bad will Dunphys defense of this be on a scale of one to scumbag?

    1. 11 scumbags.

    2. +1 totality of circumstances

      1. Needs a surfboard and weights.

      2. Lights???

        You people do this just to piss me off, don’t you?

        1. =]

        2. it’s the apostrophe union, man. they demand representation!

          1. Nicely done. You’ve staved off editorial rage.

            For now.

        3. Remind’s me of, Lucy:

  8. Jesus, I said something nice about a cop in the last thread.

    1. Yes you did, and the individual you said that about is an individual not responsible for the behavior of these bastards.

      1. Both comments were tongue in cheek. On the other hand unions and brotherhoods ask for this kind of collective judgment. Fuck the police.

  9. Procedures were followed, dogs were killed, officers were reassigned, force continuums, furtive gestures, officer safety, have I left anything out?

    1. Paid vacations.

      1. I could sort of see this happening here in Sunny Minnesota. The weather has finally turned nice and fishing opener is nigh upon us. If I’m a cop and don’t want to burn my actual vacation time, I just go out and beat some “citizen” to death and get 60-90 days off (paid) to go enjoy it all.

        But in CA? Isn’t it always nice there? Why the routine beatings in the spring? It is like the swallows to Capistrano or whatever.

  10. Murder and theft, plain and simple.

  11. Well shit, I post one story about nice Canadian cops and this gets posted next.

    1. There is always an exception.

      1. Yeah, but which is the exception and which the rule?

  12. When Tello tried to talk to the witness in private and with the phone, one of the deputies stopped him and told him he couldn’t take the phone anywhere because it was evidence to the investigation, the attorney said…..

    A search warrant wasn’t presented to either of the witnesses until after Tello arrived, he said, adding that one phone was seized before the warrant was produced.

    Tello said the phone of the first witness was taken after the deputies told him he was either going to give up the phone the easy way or the hard way.

    Good God, how many amendments can the cops violate in one action and still face no consequences?

    1. 110% of them.

    2. There’s still a few left. Just wait until they get to the 8th and 9th.

      1. Sooner or later they’ll figure out how to violate the 3rd and make you bunk with them so they can watch you sleep at night.

  13. The Kern County Sheriff’s Office says Silva resisted, a canine was deployed, more law enforcement arrived, batons were used and the man later had trouble breathing.

    Sounds like a clear case of natural causes, or suicide-by-cop. I hope those heroes get some counseling on their paid vacation.

    1. a canine was deployed…

      …batons were used…

      1. Mistakes were made.

      2. “…batons were used…”

        Most police are former drum majors (little known fact).

        passive voice could mean the batons were just twirled, as is their wont.

      3. I figure the canine just magically deployed itself.

      4. Note that a “canine” was deployed. May have been a coyote for all we know.

    2. Notice the only active voice thing the cops did was “arrive”.

      Silva, on the other hand, “resisted”.

      1. How does one resist an arrival, I wonder.

  14. Clearly the man was under attack by a swarm of Africanized honeybees, which the cops were heroically trying to swat away with their clubs.

    /Bitter sarcasm

  15. “Some witnesses apparently took cellphone video of the incident but deputies moved quickly to seize the phones.”

    Did they have a warrant? Were the contents of the phones considered evidence?

    Otherwise, the cops who seized these phones should be charged with larceny.

    1. And destruction of evidence when all the phones are mysteriously erased of just vanish altogether.

    2. This is disturbing (the act was horrifying). I believe most people would allow the investigators to copy the videos. All they had to do was to ask, along the lines of the Boston investigators hanging around the airport asking if anyone had video around the bombing. If I had any evidence, they certainly are welcome to copy it, after my back up.
      Demanding to seize the camera only indicates a cover up in progress.

  16. Fucking animals.

    This just needed to be repeated. Though, I admit that really don’t like slandering baboons like that.

  17. Please tell me one of the two witnesses uploaded one of the videos.

    1. I have to say that I’ve never been close to being in a position to record something like this, but I’m still going to check my phone’s upload settings.

      1. The google youtube app for the iPhone uploads direct if you want it to, I think they have an android one too.

        1. I’ve got a Windows phone, which can upload to my Skydrive account, but I don’t think it will do it automatically.

        2. I know my iphone will sync videos and pictures to icloud, and to my ipad and account. Doesn’t make it public, though, so not really useful in making sure evidence is out there.

          Time to download the google app (and actually setup a youtube account.)

          1. You’d think they’d be able to recover it if it was erased and the phones ever turn up.

            1. If the phone has evidence of the cops beating someone to death, I’d assume it would never turn up.

              If you’re there to say you uploaded it to YouTube or iCloud or something, sure, but if it’s just “two people beat to death, one with a broken cellphone..”

              1. Then they can be charged with destruction of evidence when the feds hand down the indictments.

        3. On my android phone I have my dropbox set to upload any pictures or video I take to a private folder. So if something like this happened and I recorded it, it ends up being on the internets forever, even if they do take my phone.

          1. Good

  18. EPI WAS RIGHT!?!?!

    Alison Brie ?@alisonbrie
    It’s official. Season 5 ladies and gentlemen.

    1. Like Alison Brie never lied to a guy and got his hopes up.

      1. I would believe anything she said to me.

  19. This wasn’t on the national news so it never happened

    1. well, never mind then.
      as you were.

  20. I will say it again. I worked in the police dept in a mental hospital in louisiana. We had physical altercations every. fucking. day.

    Most of the time they were feeble or doped up, but we had some serious badasses too. Crazy badasses.
    We didnt have tasers, we didnt have guns and we didnt have pepper spray. We didnt have batons. We could not hit with a fist or otherwise.

    We were only allowed to restrain. Sometimes we would have as many as three security to one patient.

    In the years I was there we never seriously injured a patient. That means none of them needed medical treatment.

    Nine armed cops beat unarmed man to death. Murder.

    1. And from the witnesses description it was intentional.

    1. the cause of death is pending toxicology and microscopic studies.”

      Watch: They’re gonna say he died from intoxication.

    2. “A 911 call was released Friday that further indicates Kern County deputies might have played a role in a suspect’s death.”

      . . . NAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

  21. OT: Paul Ryan on his health care ideas (May 8, 2013)

    Under our plan, the federal government would make a defined contribution to your health-care security.

    But we would also give more help to the poor and the sick?and less help to the rich. Support would go only to those who needed it.

    But look at Medicare’s prescription-drug benefit. It works like the reform we’d apply to all of Medicare. It comes in consistently under budget. And satisfaction with the program is sky high.

    The answer is, we will use the power and resources of government to give people the room to thrive. We will maintain the partnership our society has had with our government in the past?even in this new era of an aging society and a global economy.

    ‘Conservatism and Community’ AEI

    http://www.prosperitypac.com/s…..ontent=pdr

    1. Clearly Paul Ryan is a crazy anarchist who got all of his ideas from Ayn Rand.

    2. From a 60 Minutes interview with Soros on December 20, 1998:
      KROFT: (You) went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

      Mr. SOROS: Yes. That’s right. Yes.

      KROFT: I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?

      Mr. SOROS: Not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don’t see the connection. But it created no problem at all.
      (Note: Mr. Soros was not a child in 1944. Teenagers are well aware of moral rules.)
      KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

      Mr. SOROS: No.

      KROFT: For example that, ‘I’m Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.’ None of that?

      Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn’t be there, because that was — well, actually, in a funny way, it’s just like in markets, that if I weren’t there, of course, I wasn’t doing it, but somebody else would be taking it away anyhow. And whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.”

      1. We should post this every time Shrike says anything. Sort of like how we post the Ballad of Dunphy.

        1. I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt

          Through the eyes of a 14 yr old this makes complete sense.

          Despite the horrors of NAZI Germany he grew up to be an adjusted intelligent fighter of statism.

          1. A fighter of statism…fighting alongside the ardent defender of the second amendment who is our noble president.

            It is true, you are delusional.

            1. You’re an idiot. Soros has supported the pro free-market Rose, Velvet, and Orange Revolutions in Eastern Europe with 100s of millions of $$$.

              1. KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

                Mr. SOROS: No.

              2. Free market is a bit of a stretch, no? It’s a “Pro Democracy” group called the Open Society Institute.

                Democracy, perhaps… free market, you’re full of shit.

          2. Yep. Soros is a regular Anne Frank he is.

            Anyway, I hope these cops are convicted of first degree murder and are executed. Hope is still allowed isn’t it? Or should I abandon it at the door?

          3. “Through the eyes of a 14 yr old this makes complete sense.”

            You were one fucked-up 14 year old.

            1. Come on. Every 14 year old goes through a Nazi phase.

              1. I know I did. Then I moved to Obama. *swoon*

              2. It goes along with atlas shrugged?

                /troll

          4. “he grew up to be an adjusted intelligent fighter of statism.”

            If you actually believe this you should kill yourself. You no longer have a reason to live.

            Sieg Heil!!

      2. Duke,
        Do you have a link for that?

        1. You only hate Soros because the Beckerhead has brainwashed you.

          1. Palin’s Buttplug| 5.10.13 @ 9:30PM |#
            “You only hate Soros because the Beckerhead has brainwashed you.”

            Shitstain, go fuck your daddy.
            You have zero anything to add to any conversation other than you hate your daddy.
            GO FUCK YOUR DADDY, SHITSTAIN.

        2. http://bsimmons.wordpress.com/…..0-minutes/

          Soros is a world class scumbag. Jim Rogers was his business partner until Soros did some very unethical/illegal shit. Rogers told him to just pay the $1 million dollar fine stating that his good name was worth more than $1 million. Soros said his wasn’t.

          So, every time Shreek posts something (whose link is to soros,org) he should be reminded how he is servile to Nazi scum.

          1. http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..ript1.html

            GEORGE SOROS:No. No. I think it’s got nothing to do with the American dream as such. There has been some kind of an ideological excess; namely, market fundamentalism for the last 25 or so years. And now that world is collapsing…

            BILL MOYERS:What do you mean “market fundamentalism”?

            GEORGE SOROS:It’s that markets will correct themselves, that you should leave it to the markets, and there is no need for government intervention in financial affairs. Letting markets run rampant. And that doesn’t work.

            1. This of course has nothing to do with George Soros’ involvement in currency manipulation and insider trading.

              It couldn’t be that he hates ‘market fundamentalism’ because he enjoys political graft or anything.

              1. Yeah. Soros made $1 billion in a very short period of time shorting the British Pound. Damn near ruined the country with his short trade. Because he’s such a humanitarian!

                1. Why do you hate free markets?

                  1. KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

                    Mr. SOROS: No.

                    1. “War profiteering Mr Soros, no regrets?”

                      SOROS: “No, I’d do it again, there are billions to be made.”

                  2. Palin’s Buttplug| 5.10.13 @ 10:21PM |#
                    “Why do you hate free markets?”

                    Why does Soros hate them? Go fuck your daddy, shitstain.

                  3. Uh, he doesn’t, but Soros does, as he himself stated in the post just above. Not everyone is as stupid and mendacious as you, you know.

            2. Excuse me, how in the hell is that “fundamentalism” in any way? He’s just using the word “fundamentalism” as a scare tactic – like Nazi or communist, with no context at all, or in any way that would relate to, say, Islamic fundamentalism.

          2. Rogers tried to welch on his break-up clause. Soros retains the Quantum Fund until this day. Rogers was always the Barney Fife to the Sheriff.

            Soros made Rogers who now hawks a stupid commodity ETF 24/7 like some TV pitchman for Miracle Cloths.

            You’re just a beleaguered Beckerhead – probably down 50% on your fake Goldline gold coins.

            1. KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

              Mr. SOROS: No.

              1. Soros was 14 and didn’t take anything – you idiot.

                No guilt is rational.

                1. KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

                  Mr. SOROS: No.

                2. Inability to feel guilt is the hallmark of a sociopath.

            2. Palin’s Buttplug| 5.10.13 @ 10:16PM |#
              “Rogers tried to welch on his break-up clause…………”

              At what RPM does the spin hit redline, shitstain?
              You used to be amusing. Now you’re obnoxious.
              Go fuck your daddy, shitstain.

            3. George Soros with a net worth of $19,200 million said that his good name wasn’t worth $1million.

              That’s like a millionaire saying that his good name isn’t worth $53 or the average American saying that his good name isn’t worth $2.63

              Great hero you got there Buttplug

              1. Hmm. Well his name is Palin’s Buttplug.

                Would you give him $2.63 for that one?

            4. Wow, buttplug! You know a lot about this Soros guy. You’re into him like teenage girls are into Justin Bieber.

              Could you post the picture of Soros you use to masterbate?

      3. Actually, under Objectivism there would be nothing for him to feel guilty about either.

        If someone puts you in a Sophie’s Choice type position, according to Rand (explicitly) you should feel no guilt whatsoever. The moral content of the action belongs to the oppressor 100%, and 0% to you. You may as well not have even been present, in moral terms.

    3. “We will maintain the partnership our society has had with our government..”

      But…but…but the government is the people. Right Barry?

  22. Paging Professor Warty: A two-year degree in heavy metal music has been branded an “easy option” by education campaigners.

    1. Please. Like anyone could learn to properly shred in just two years.

      1. “Epi”phone guitars. Really?

      2. Anyway how’s your sex life?

        1. how’s yours? wanna sext?

          1. What a story Fake Mary. Ha, ha, ha.

            1. are you turning me away?
              now I has a sad.

  23. Hey, I have an idea. When the shit hits the fan on this, the city can steal $ from taxpayers and pay off the family of the murdered guy, then the officers can be reassigned to other duties. Then the city can steal more $ from the taxpayers to pay for training the officers in how to hit someone repeated in the head with a club without killing him.

    Of course, like all my good ideas, someone probably thought of this already.

    Fucking animals.

  24. Jesus.

    I don’tknowhow many here follow Carlos Miller’sblog, Photography is Not a Crime. He spotlights cases of cops and rent-a-cops grabbing people’s cameras to cover up malfeasance. He has plenty of material to workwith,and often features the video when they survive.

    1. Ban it?

  25. Whatever happened to giving someone a ride home?

  26. Alright. WHo the fuck is responsible for the Friday nut punch? You want me to get arrested tonight?

    1. Yes I agree. Not helping my homicidal or misanthropy tendancies at all.

    2. The Kern County Sheriff’s Dept. is responsible.

  27. I BRING DO DE WARULD DIZORDAH!

    1. you make me quiver.

  28. You know, Reason… I just got the kid to bed, I’m about to go out and see Iron Man 3, I’m trying to have a relaxing evening… and you go ahead and post this.

    I might feel a tiny bit better if I felt there was even a 0.1% chance there might even be some legitimate punishment for the officers involved. Heck, I’d settle for an actual independent and full investigation. But no.

  29. UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE. Snopes confirms it.

    http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/sciencetest.asp

    Fuck school vouchers and any asshole who supports them.

    1. Palin’s Buttplug| 5.10.13 @ 9:43PM |#
      “UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE. Snopes confirms it.”

      My goodness, shitstain! Of course any private schooling should be immediately outlawed!
      Did you, by any chance, go to government schools? Just asking, since your abysmal stupidity suggests that might be true.

      1. I don’t want to “outlaw private schools”. Just don’t feed them my taxes, asswipe.

        1. My taxes are for Obama fellating Publik Skoolz that will save us from TEH PAPISTS.

        2. So it’s okay to feed a bad public school your taxes but not a bad private school? Explain the logic here.

          1. According to the US Constitution, yes.

            I know conservatives only like the 2A and the 10A but that is the truth.

            1. What part of the Constitution requires compulsory education at public institutions?

              1. /tumbleweed

              2. Commerce Clause.

                Also the right to privacy which makes contraception and abortion legal but allows wiretapping, Internet snooping and the IRS.

                1. Its a fucking madhouse is all I can figure.

              3. What part of the Constitution requires compulsory education at public institutions?

                None.

                But the 1A prevents taxpayer funded schools from pounding religious pap into the soft heads of schoolchildren.

                (Yes, I know that is the GOP objective)

                1. The original purpose of Publik Skoolz was to pound the proper Protestant religious pap into the soft heads of schoolchildren as supposed to the icky Catholic kind.

                2. NonePalin’s Buttplug| 5.10.13 @ 10:28PM |#
                  ‘What part of the Constitution requires compulsory education at public institutions?’
                  “None.
                  But the 1A prevents taxpayer funded schools from pounding religious pap into the soft heads of schoolchildren.”

                  Right, shitstain, so envirocrap never gets’s ‘taught’ there.
                  Go fuck your daddy.

                3. No, the 1A prevents the Government (Federal) from establishing a national religion. It cannot prohibit the free exercise thereof, either. So many leftists forget that part of it.

                  Taxpayer money given as a voucher for education is not subject to the establishment clause.

                  You sound like you took Obama’s Constitutional Law course…

                4. Someone needs a hug.

        3. Instead we should feed our taxes to the public schools that dont teach creationism….or how to read.

          1. They have no knowledge or evolution or creationism. How that for a compromise?

            1. I mean how many people have a real understanding of evolutionary theory?

              I mean we get stuff like that Voyager episode were Janeway and Tom go really fast and turn into giant horny salalmanders because of Evolution.

              1. I mean how many people have a real understanding of evolutionary theory?

                Michael Behe?

              2. I dont watch TV so all I can say is….uh…what? Now I remember why I dont watch TV

                  1. Sadly Threshold is about average as far as the quality of ST:VOY episodes go, all the good ST writers were working on DS9 instead of VOY.

          2. Buttplug loves schools that teach economic and social creationism. Which is way more dangerous than a Christian school teaching directed evolution, or whatever bs they call it now. That mis educated Christian kid will likely learn the truth later on anyway and if not failing to do so will not prevent them or anyone else from living a happy and successful life.

            Meanwhile, kids miseducated in socialist government schools will most likely never get past the early indoctrination and as adults vote for policies that are destructive to everyone and lead liver of bitter disappointment believing that the evil rich are blocking their path to self fulfillment at every turn.

        4. Palin’s Buttplug| 5.10.13 @ 9:48PM |#
          “I don’t want to “outlaw private schools”. Just don’t feed them my taxes, asswipe.”

          Yeah, shitstain, you want MY taxes to pay for YOUr stupidity!
          Do I have it right? Go fuck your daddy.

        5. I don’t want to “outlaw private schools”. Just don’t feed them my taxes, asswipe.

          Or public schools either, for that matter.

      2. Did you, by any chance, go to government schools? Just asking, since your abysmal stupidity suggests that might be true.

        Derp Derp Derp

        1. Out of morbid curiosity, what exactly is your endgame here?

          1. Shhh, he’s a fascinating character. I’m watching with intensity.

    2. Yeah, let’s maintain the expensive status quo that results in atrocious outcomes because of one retarded charter school.

      I’d love to see what that charter school’s overall test scores are relative to a unionized public school. I doubt they’re any worse.

      1. I’m pretty sure this is a completely private school not a charter nor getting tax dollars.

        1. Also the dad is pulling his kid at end of school year. The horror.

        2. So, in other words Palin’s Buttplug can’t even fucking read properly? I’m shocked.

      2. The school is apparently quite good, outside of its young Earth creationism curriculum:

        I didn’t know that this was being taught to her until we heard a radio commercial together about the Discover the Dinosaurs exhibit was coming to the TD Convention Center [in Greenville, South Carolina].

        The Commercial starts out, “After 65 million years, the dinosaurs have returned …” She commented immediately that it was only four thousand years ago. When I corrected her, she snapped back, “Were you there?” I have since taught my daughter differently, but I am sure she is confused now and plan to make sure she understands that teachers are people too and can be factually wrong.

        The test showed up [at] home a day later to my disgust.

        It’s a great school for Reading, Writing and Math. She is ahead of most of her peers and also is taking Latin there. But I now know to be vigilant for the rest of the year about her science teachings.

        She will not be attending the school next year …

        At least he has choices, unlike poor parents.

        1. It’s a great school for Reading, Writing and Math. She is ahead of most of her peers and also is taking Latin there. But I now know to be vigilant for the rest of the year about her science teachings.

          She will not be attending the school next year …

          Because…it’s much easier to catch your child up with reading, writing, math, and Latin, than it is to catch her up on the single subject of science.

          1. A subject that, furthermore, will necessarily teach different information ten, twenty, fifty years from now than it teaches today; science being a process of discovery and all.

            Teaching the Scientific Method (how a hypothesis about natural phenomena is developed and tested) should be the primary goal in science education, whether one is Creationist or Evolutionist.

    3. Uhm, the father sent his daughter to a school called “Blue Ridge Christian Academy” and he’s shocked, SHOCKED to discover they teach Christianity?

      The parent, like all parents who have children enrolled at this academy, had signed a statement which acknowledged an understanding that by sending their child to this Christian school would mean they would be taught biblical Christianity”

      By the way, Shrike, just curious, what does this have to do with vouchers? I did a text search on the article and the word ‘voucher’ never came up.

      Oh by the way, there’s a non-profit organization going around public schools teaching a very dodgy kind of Global Warming propaganda.

      Think of them as kind of the Mars Hill Church of global warming.

      Young hipsters making global warming ‘cool’.

      So, now what are our tax dollars supporting again? I mean, besides Obama’s drone wars and warrantless wiretapping?

      1. Or that incredibly unscientific anti-fracking rap that was recently put on in a public school.

        “They’re fracking and they’re cracking the Earth. Is the fracking destruction really worth endangering the future of our awesome planet, with all the children and the animals in it?…Natural gas isn’t the way to go, because if they keep on fracking — the Earth is gonna blow.”

        How is that nonsense any worse than teaching creationism? They’re saying that fracking will make the Earth explode.

        1. I think that the goal here is to get these ‘groups’ to say “Dude” a lot, and they’ve ‘nailed’ Generation Why… or z or whatever it is we’re up to now.

        2. How is that nonsense any worse BETTER than teaching creationism?

          That’s what I meant.

    4. Went to the school’s website. I don’t anything indicating that it is a charter school. It looks like just a private school.

      1. don’t see*

    5. Charter schools and George Soros. In a forum about a guy who had his head caved in. Go troll the IRS page.

  30. Cop news?
    It seems the Oakland (CA) cops have many problems. One is that the town is dangerous; people getting robbed, raped, and murdered, and the cops can’t seem to do much about it.
    But that’s not the real problem. The real problem is that they tend to beat the crap out of people who didn’t do anything and the higher-ups tend to cover up the activities. So a Fed judge appoints a ‘fact-finding’ commission and the report is now due. I’ll bet one one of the facts they find is that the cops beat the crap out of people and get away with.
    Anyhow, two days ago, the top Cop seems to have recognized a long-term ‘medical’ problem and has taken a medical leave of absence. Is that medical problem the hemorrhoids that the report will cause? Dunno.
    And today, the acting (for 2 days) top Cop has also bailed.
    I have no idea what the report says, but I have a pretty good idea of its effect on the powers that be in Oaktown…
    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/…..506142.php

  31. I’m guessing the victim wasn’t black, because I heard nothing on NPR about this.

    By his last name, I’m thinking hispanic, so we got a shot of getting some national traction on this– unfortunately, it will be covered only from the race angle, and not from a jesus-fuck-we-need-to-defund-the-police-entirely angle.

    If he’s white, then carry on with your march, Reason, the 22 libertarians in the country support you.

    1. White Hispanic, asswipe.

      1. Not an Hispanic White?

    2. I think it’s a Portuguese name. But then again, some names can be both Portuguese and Spanish.

      1. Hmm, Portugese, NPR won’t know what to do with him.

        If he gets cast in the same group as Zimmerman, just zip up the body bag. He probably stood his ground and deserved it.

      2. It’s a common name in Brazil, but I have also known people from other regions in South or Central America with the name Silva, so not sure.

          1. The name is of Portuguese origin. I was just talking to my wife, and we were doing some googling.

            Pretty sure it’s Portuguese. I know that it is a common name in Brazil.

    3. jesus-fuck-we-need-to-defund-the-police-entirely angle

      If we defund the police then that means spending cuts, losing union jobs, giving credence to anti-government nuts and the gun nuts. Oh and SOMALIA!

    4. I’m guessing by the last name, Silva, that he was Hispanic, or from somewhere in Central/South America.

      Although, he could have been black as well. There is this Brazilian guy named Anderson Silva, who is black, not sure if anyone has heard of him, besides me.

      Black Hispanic! Pay attention, CNN! Oh, wait, there’s no white in there, never mind…

      1. I doubt they’d have taken a swing at Anderson Silva….

  32. Stupid P O S cops! Its PUNK cops like this I rejoice about hearing on the news getting clipped in the line of duty!

    GotDatAnon.tk

    1. You scare me Pedo-bot.

      1. Yeah its like anonbot is sometimes selfaware.

  33. AP is on a link posting mission.

    Isn’t it summer in Canuckistan, yet? I figured you guys were out grilling some reindeer by now.

    1. it got cold

      1. I just wish the fuck it would stop raining here in MD, it’s going to drown my mater plants again like it did last year.

        1. We get our May Longweekend one week ahead of you. Next weekend I better not be near technology.

          1. You’re talking about the Memorial Day?

            My wife is out of the country next 2 weeks, so it’s sit around in underwear, drunk, and play video games..

            But she returns one day before Memorial Day, so it’s a party day, grill and get drunk, but I have to wear pants, because friends…

            1. “so it’s a party day, grill and get drunk”

              I just get sad.

          2. Happy Victoria Day to you, Pants.

    1. “I hope this wasn’t related to the explosion. ATF was apparently investigating the guy.”
      Reutters article with later time-stamp says “Ooops!”

  34. This is why you load Qik on your smartphone. Shit gets uploaded to the intra webs. Popo can’t delete the intra webs.

  35. One must wonder, just how many families have to be affected by senseless cop brutality, resulting in death, before the shit finally hits the fan?

    1. All of them?

      1. First they came for the Jones

  36. Just so you guys know:

    By the post/reposonse count, Shreek has won this thread. You fuckers are so stupid.

    1. HA HA

    2. Whatever

    3. “You fuckers are so stupid.”

      I love that it bothers you that people respond to him.

      1. BUT NOBODY RESPONDS TO ME

    4. “By the post/reposonse count…”

      Didn’t Hitler use that same standard? It was right after he appointed little Georgie Sorros to confiscate Jewish property as a way of restraining unregulated markets.

  37. Judge orders Knox commissioner to write apology for public sex act

    Knox County Commissioner Jeff Ownby pleaded no contest Friday morning to a charge of public indecency. In exchange for a sentence that will wipe the conviction from his criminal record, the judge ordered Ownby to issue a description of his behavior as part of a written apology that will become part of the public record.

    Ownby was arrested in May 2012 after police observed him engaging in oral sex with another man at Sharp’s Ridge Park in North Knoxville.

    1. And, just so you can get the full impact from his detailed apology when it comes out, this guy was getting blown by
      this dude.

      It’s never the hot ones, is it?

      1. Sometimes you just have to throw your hands in the bean footage like you just don’t care.

    2. Order seems kind of redundant since anyone who ever googles this guys name will find the news story.

      1. He wants details. I’m think the phrase “veiny throbbing member” is gonna appear somewhere.

        1. Maybe he could retain Sugarfree for writing help?

  38. Hopefully, the video evidence will help clear up – justified or unjustified.

    However, if the guy was unarmed and hadn’t committed a crime of serious violence, it’s almost completely certain that head strikes with the baton (a tertiary target) were unjustified.

    I’ve used baton strikes several times, but NEVER to the head. That requires basically the same justification as using your firearm.

    Every life is sacred. Silva deserves justice. The officers deserve due process. Those are not mutually exclusive.

    Obviously, the thing sounds excessive as fuck, and if it was, then they should be held accountable. Silva deserves it, as do all the LEO’s who manage to do their job without beating helpless people.

    “The true evidence is in those phones witnesses have that apparently the sheriff deputies already took,” Silva said. “But I know the truth will come out and my brother’s voice will be heard.”

    I hope so. And I BELIEVE the truth will come out. Right now it hasn’t.

    “Local defense attorney Kyle J. Humphrey said, generally speaking, he believes law enforcement can seize cellphones or cameras at the scene under the theory that they’ve captured evidence of a crime. Because of the digital nature of the evidence, they could argue that it’s urgent they immediately take the cameras.

    “It’s one of those murky areas that’s come about by the existence of modern technology,” said Humphrey, who is not involved in this case.”

    1. “Hopefully, the video evidence will help clear up – justified or unjustified.”

      In what universe would it be justified for nine lethally armed men to beat to death one intoxicated unarmed man? And then immediately seize evidence of the beating?

      If this inexplicable tragedy and your comment don’t prove but one thing, it’s that cops are the most cowardly of all people.

      1. Tello said the witness was not allowed to go anywhere with her phone and was being quarantined inside her home.

        When Tello tried to talk to the witness in private and with the phone, one of the deputies stopped him and told him he couldn’t take the phone anywhere because it was evidence to the investigation, the attorney said…..

        A search warrant wasn’t presented to either of the witnesses until after Tello arrived, he said, adding that one phone was seized before the warrant was produced.

        I don’t know how Dunphy can justify this, regardless of what the evidence of the beating shows.

        1. I don’t think he’s trying to, justify it, in this case.

          1. I am most definitely NOT trying to justify it. People here are so deluded about what they THINK I think that I can write an entire post saying how this beating looks totally fucked up and hopefully Silva gets justice and somebody says “I don’t know how Dunphy can justify this?”

            Seriously.

            Like I said, it LOOKS unjustified as fuck. I don’t KNOW for a fact it was, I don’t even know the extent of Silva’s injuries. He may have died from the beating or from heart failure or from god knows what.

            The cops seized a bunch of video, hopefully some will be released soon so we can get a gander, but I aint justifying jackshit and jack left town. I am as horrified and pissed off about excessive force and police brutality as anyone. I’ve personally testified before IIU in a police brutality (minor, but still) case and took some shit about it, but so be it – cops need to be held accountable.

            Again, it LOOKS unjustified as fuck on its face. And hopefully the cops get due process, Silva gets justice and the officers are held accountable for exactly what they did – no more no less.\

            1. He died kuz he wuz intoximiccated

            2. none of the seized video will be releazed

            3. due process = leave with pay

            4. due process = leave with pay

              1. Yes. WHILE the investigation is ongoing, they should get (pursuant to CBA) leave with pay. That’s part of due process.

                The criminal trial, assuming there is one PRECEDES the civil/internal actions, and they will likely remain on paid leave during that process. A Chinese wall will be set up, but even so, it’s a very bad idea to start the internal disciplinary proceeding BEFORE the criminal trial because the former can taint to latter.

                So, yes. The process will take time and officers most likely WILL get paid during the investigation. THat’s part of due process, and I realize it grates on people, but it’s part of the protection that cops bargained for.

                If they are guilty of crimes, up to and including murder, should it really matter that god forbid officer X got paid for 9 months or whatever it takes for that to be fleshed out?

                People always want their pound of flesh and INSTANT gratification, but what is important is that JUSTICE is served, not that there is an immediate kneejerk reaction in either direction.

                Again, it looks fucked and assuming crimes were committed, I hope they are investigated and vigorously prosecuted. That’s part of due process

                1. This:

                  THat’s part of due process,

                  Does equal this:

                  but it’s part of the protection that cops bargained for.

                  1. No – good point. Due process is NOT the same as a collectively bargained contract provision. But Counselor D often conflates the two.

                2. So if eight guys did this to a cop, what are the odds they remain free, let alone being paid, during the investigation?

                  1. There are two levels of pre-conviction punishment for those accused of murder. First is always having the accused seize the evidence against him, consult with co-accused (if any) and then go on paid administrative leave. However, if the accused is not employed by law enforcement in the first place, they can’t very well have the accused gather evidence and put the accused on leave. So then you have to go to the next level, which is arresting the accused and plastering his name and face on the news.

                    It’s all above board.

                    1. Is that anything like how the trained professionals need time to gather and compose their thoughts, and confer with co-workers as needed to make sure their memories are consistent, before being required to make statements, whereas the average person is separated from co-actors, possibly lied to, and expected to give answers right away?

                  2. It depends on whether they collectively bargained for the ability to get paid when they fuck up.

    2. Silva deserves justice. The officers deserve due process. Those are not mutually exclusive.

      Of course we can only go by the story as we’ve heard, but taking the cell phones erases any pretense of due process in this situation.

      The worst part of this story is four (!) kids lost their dad, and nothing is going to change that.

      So Dunphy, if you wonder why the folks here are anti-LEO reflexively, it’s because of stories like this. I’m glad to hear that you agree that “it’s almost completely certain that head strikes with the baton (a tertiary target) were unjustified” but the fact that this is even a question is why people trust LEO’s less and less.

      1. According to the article, they got warrants for at least some of the video they seized.

        I don’t really care if they seized the video as long as they handle it properly, release it per FOIA requests and use it to get to the truth.

        As for why people are anti-LEO reflexively, it’s stupid. There are cops out there that fuck up. There are cops out there that are just plain bad. It’s always been that way and it always will be that way.

        As for your CLAIM that people trust LEO
        ‘s less and less, out in the real world, the polling data I have seen doesn’t support your claim. The level of trust and respect I have seen from polling data has remained relatively consistent. With youtube an people videoing left and right, that hasn’t changed, and that’s because MOST of the time cops do the right thing. Sometimes they are astoundingly heroic, or astoundingly compassionate. Other times, they go way overboard, or even fucking evil.

        Welcome to the real world.

        But I have never apologized for police misconduct. I *hate* it because like it or not I know it reflect on all of us, the good and the bad.

        1. But MOST people are not anti-LEO reflexively, as polling data shows (we consistently rank amongst top professions in terms of respect/admiration), because they realize a simple reality.

          There are good cops, bad cops, and mediocre cops, but most people think most cops are good cops, which matches my experience. That’s why they poll like they do, and at least in my community, why they vote like they do (for manpower allocations, etc.)

          1. Polling data also show most people think violent crime is more prevalent now than in 1990. And that most people believe in a supreme being.

            Polling data might show what people believe, but that doesn’t mean it shows the truth, and your repeated moronic assertions that the beliefs held by people in the polls necessarily bear any relation to reality are really, really tiresome. And logically unsound.

            1. Exactly. And of course people are propagandized relentlessly by the media in all its forms, schools, politicians, etc. about how brave and true our heroes in blue are.

          2. Until these mythical good cops arrest the bad cops, there are no good cops.

            You are not a good cop. You are evil.

          3. “But MOST people are not anti-LEO reflexively”

            Hopefully we can change this. LEO should be viewed with apprehension at all costs by all…

        2. “As for why people are anti-LEO reflexively, it’s stupid.”

          Nope. It’s not. People SHOULD be hardcore critical of your types. When ‘your’ type checks out (which you often do)- YOUR specific types are pure-bred Americans who just happen to work on the side of justice measured heavily on the side of ethical analysis… ALL good for Libertarian existence within the beauty of American existence.

          1. Problem is, Dunphy’s of your type are rare… so begins the scum of LEO…

    3. “Local defense attorney Kyle J. Humphrey said, generally speaking, he believes law enforcement can seize cellphones or cameras at the scene under the theory that they’ve captured evidence of a crime. Because of the digital nature of the evidence, they could argue that it’s urgent they immediately take the cameras.

      “No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of the law.”

      You want the cell phones, get a warrant.

    4. The video evidence will be destroyed and you won’t say a damn thing about it and you know it. Just like in the case of Deacon Turner where the convenience store security cameras just so happened to fail to capture the 5 seconds of evidence that would have incriminated the Kern County Sheriff’s Department.

      The fact that you continue to defend this murderous band of thugs tells me all I need to know about you, traitor.

  39. Is there a camera app that uploads as soon as the suspend/sleep button is pressed?

    1. Qik, among others.

    2. Dropbox can upload any pictures or video you take to a private folder.

  40. Hopefully, the video evidence will help clear up – justified or unjustified.

    Yeah. If the evidence somehow ‘disappears’, then I’m never going to believe the cops account of this.

    We’ll see.

  41. Off topic: Rodman going back to visit his BFF, get Bae out of prison, rips Obama a new one.

    1. Hmmm…

      I get this, from all of that.

      Isolated 3rd world dictator plan:

      1. Hope Westerners are curious and or stupid enough to visit country.

      2. Nab hapless westerners on made up charges.

      3. Hope that western celebrities come to party with good alcohol, drugs, and other gifts, to try to secure release of prisoner.

      4. Wow, I am just like Obama! When is Beyonc? and Jay Z coming?

      1. Beyonce and Jay Z are too relatively normal. I could definitely see Nicky Minaj or Ke$ha going to Pyongyang, though.

        1. The NorKs can keep both of them if they do go.

  42. Lucille Bluth and Malory Archer are the same person! LOL!!!!

  43. It’s a lot harder to riot when there’s no tape.
    Can’t we all just get along?

    1. Yes, yes we can all get along, as long as you ACCEPT MY AUTHORITAH!

      1. I should just stop resisting.

  44. Bluffton, SC republicans also auctioning off ar-15 rifle. Not sure if they are also taunting libs o pn twitter though.
    http://www.abcnews4.com/story/…..r-15-rifle

    1. A rep from Texas is doing a contest for an AR15. Lots of pants were shit.

      pants shitting

      1. That’s hilarious. Stockman purposefully trolls liberals with the understanding that making liberals hate him is going to be electoral gold in Texas’ 36th district. Liberals bite with visceral, abject horror. Stockman laughs and laughs and laughs.

        I’m sure this guys a total SoCon, but I can’t help but love his style.

        1. When I walked into work this morn and was getting coffee, couple of co-workers were discussing air rifles.

          Apparently, one of the guys has a neighbor who just bought one of the pretty much exact AR-15 replica air rifles and they were walking down the street with it and the good citizens of Balmer were looking like they saw Godzilla coming, not seeing the orange tip… not that they would know what that means, scary gunz!

          I am thinking about getting one, with a night vision scope, for nocturnal squirrel assassination.

          1. Had an uncomfortable conversation with a co-worker today, where I tried to fein knowledge of guns.

            Ended up suggesting he should find primer-fired .22

            After someone else recommended the .22, at least.

            1. Other way around, tried to fein lack of knowledge.

          2. “for nocturnal squirrel assassination.”

            And you think you will ever be able to post a comment on H&R again?!

            SQUIRRLEZ AVAUNT!

    2. The Bluffton, SC Wounded Warrior golf tourney is auctioning off an AR-15 and another gun this year as well. My dad is the co-chair of it and has been since its inception. Also, they are giving away two homes to wounded vets and a full scholarship to a local golf academy for a wounded vet that wants to become a golf pro/course superintendent.

      If any of you soldiers/former soldiers know of any wounded vets that may be interested, please let me know and I’ll pass it on to my dad. Here’s a story about last year’s event.

      And here’s from 2011’s event.

      1. guns kill babies

        1. Apparently I haven’t been gone long enough. Who’s ^^this^^ asshole?

          1. First time appearance.

          2. *SMOOCHES*

          3. I think it’s the real Mary.

            1. huzzah

    1. Still not a democracy.

    2. A representative comment:

      She may well be telling the truth about the calls she received. But she’s a fool if she believes that those calls represented an average cross section of her voters. The NRA used its usual lies and scare tactics to convince its followers to call her and freak out.

      If it’s that important to you, then instead of bitching in the comment section of a news story, you could call your rep. I’m sure that if this issue was that important to 90+% of voters, representatives would have gotten an overwhelming amount of calls advocating increased background checks. Unless the poll numbers are bullshit and all the grabbers have are lies and innuendo.

      1. All the grabbers have are lies and innuendo.

        1. Those comments are really bad. A lot of self-styled experts of statistics that don’t know that statistics are easily manipulated.

          1. You can’t get 94% of Americans to agree that Barack Obama is president, much less get them to agree on an actual issue. There’s no way 94% of North Dakotans supported the Manchin-Toomey bill.

  45. They wouldn’t have to take other people’s cameras as evidence if they would just equip each officer with their own uniform mounted one.

    1. Let’s demand that they all wear the Google Glasses, anytime they are on duty, with video turned on.

      It’s a win/win for Google and the rest of us, as well.

      I knew those things had a good use.

        1. Photoshop “poor impulse control” on his forehead, and we can call this a bullet dodged.

          1. That might be the ugliest man I’ve ever seen.

            NTTMHDTBS (Not that that means he deserved to be shot.)

            1. Well, it ain’t pretty.. but I wouldn’t go saying ugliest so much unless you’ve spent a lot of time in .edu land.

        2. Hey Dunphy, this happened in your jurisdiction. Are you going to investigate this BLATANTLY OBVIOUS police corruption and bring these evil men to justice?

    1. This is the real Mary, isn’t it?

      1. Whatevah it be, it cantz post a link.

        1. *SMOOCHES*

          1. You kiss your mamas arse with that mouth?

            1. I also kiss your mama’s EVERYWHERE with this mouth

      1. What? You have a sad because no one is willing to even insert an old canard into you, let alone pull it out?

  46. We just moved down south to the Inland Empire (Yucaipa). I will not miss the days and nights I spent in Bakersfield. Every interaction with a KCSO deputy or Bakersfield Police officer was harrowing…and that included the ones I hired as security for my auctions. Those dudes acted like Judge Dredd.

    1. What’s a Yucaipa? Is that Cali? Guessing from Bakersfield ref…

    2. Did you buy property out there?

    3. I’M IN SAN BERNADINO, NEIGHBOR!!!

      1. You need a spelling lesson, retard.

  47. I smellz trollz.

    1. *SMOOCHES*

  48. Well, looks like Libertarianism has been defeated once again, by troll living in mommies basement. Curses, I thought we would make it this time.

    1. BURRRRRRRRRN

  49. Rob Lowe is sober 23 years.
    Most of you can’t go 23 minutes.

  50. Tello said the phone of the first witness was taken after the deputies told him he was either going to give up the phone the easy way or the hard way.

    The hard way? What does that mean – get beaten to death?

    1. It’s a Michael J Fox movie.

    2. Presumably.

      I emailed this story highlighting relevant portions to all the people I know who were horrified that I was cheering on Dorner.

      1. When the gov’t kills innocent people the answer is not killing other innocent people. wtf.

        1. “Cheerleading” was what they accused me of. My position was that I understood what motivated his actions (based on the original, unmolested manifesto) and I also understood why a whole lot of people cheered him on.

          The actions of the police in pursuing him served to bolster his beef against them as far as I’m concerned.

  51. This Crater in Siberia Reveals the Future of a Globally Warmed Planet

  52. “They wouldn’t have to take other people’s cameras as evidence if they would just equip each officer with their own uniform mounted one.”

    I would fucking LOVE to be equipped with one of those body mounted cameras. Those things are awesome and there’s no better line of protection for a good officer than video taken literally from our pov

    And I have zero doubt for many officers, they would behave better if they knew everything they were doing was videotaped.

    And otoh, it gives you the confidence to do the right thing, because you know you will have a credible witness to backup your account of what you said you did.

    When I first started working undercover back in Maui years ago, I was still on probation and I was surrounded (boxed in) by some very spracked out methheads who tried to pull me out of the car and who were punching me through the open window, etc. Somehow I survived and they finally gave up, but the whole time I was thinking (I was unarmed) that a few more punches and I might black out and then they would gain access to my car and find police paraphernalia (evidence forms) in my glove compartment and I’d be fucked.

    1. The messed up thing was I was totally justified in gunning my engine and pushin the front car out of the way and possibly running over one of them (outmanned 4:1 and being violently assaulted), but I was more concerned with (being on probation) my story not being believed and getting fired and possible homicide charges if one got run over, so I had to take the head punches, etc. and report it. Which is INSANE but I’ve seen how rookie ofc’s on probation can get fucked over in scenarious like that with nobody to back up their story

      I could tell my supervisor was pretty skeptical (strong arm robberies are extremely rare on maui towards tourists (iow not gang related but just on random touristy looking guys which is what I looked like). But if I had run one of them over, I’d be the subject of reason-esque editorials about rogue officer out of control, overreacting bla bla

      UNTIL- later that evening, the same group of guys put a german tourist into ICU after they ripped HIM from his van. He almost died. Once they were identified, they were all scumbags (of course) and my story was believed. And THEN, I gained the credibility etc.

      But that’s how fucked up it is (especially on probation), when your LIFE actually can take a backseat to fear of getting fired, etc. because you don;’t think you will be believed.

      POV cameras (body mounts ) should be on every patrol officer in this country.

      1. Dunphy–I suspect these cameras are very low cost, especially compared to the cost of equiping an officer. Do you wear one? Are you allow to?

    2. And I have zero doubt for many officers, they would behave better if they knew everything they were doing was videotaped.

      So now it’s your position that “many officers” behave in an unacceptable fashion unless they are being recorded?

      Kind of makes your continued and unwavering support for the questionable results of incestuous internal investigations seem a little, I don’t know, misguided, does it not?

      1. That’s not what he said. There’s a gray area between better and bad.

    3. A camera that will mysteriously turn off whenever you or anyone of your cohort murders an innocent. To hell with you.

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  57. If an investigation were to uncover that the cops just decided to beat the man to death, would Dunphy would support the charges of capital murder and the penalty of death applied to the officers involved (as they would be in a just world)?

    1. *- second would. Too early.

  58. Well, nice to see Mary Stack Returns – Part 9,377,839,461. OK, not really.

    I refuse to RTFA because I’m determined to at least START OUT Saturday in a good mood. Maybe later…

    And let me guess if I can summarize (we’ll check back later to see how close I got): procedures were followed; officer safety; totality of the facts; “evidence”; cops get the law exactly right on the first try and violate no one’s rights (or the opposite of that); “Civilian” is dead; cops unhurt; evident missing; no one suspended without pay; derpfee argues that this is a bad thing and he’s totally on the side of the perp vic civilian, except when he’s not; isolated incident; no dogs were killed making this video; police review board will review and find it was a good kill.

    Nothing to see here, move along…

    1. Oh – AND NOTHING ELSE HAPPENED

    2. smooches

    3. If you don’t want to be pissed off this early, I’ll just give you this piece of information: If it turns out that this happened as it seems it happened, capital murder was committed by the police.

  59. That would never happen in MS. No search warrant, no evidence, plus trying to grab it without a warrant would probably get the officer shot. We don’t put up with stupid cops or stupid criminals.

    1. But MS is neo-Confederate racist sexist homophobe country!11!11! God-Emperor Obama should send in the National Guard and put an end to the lawless, cop-hating MS population!11!1

      /Yglesias

      1. Be my guest since the National Guard would be on our side, even if not we outgun them 10 to 1. BTW, we respect our ladies, and I don’t give a damn about gays, one way or the other. Obama can go to hell.

        1. Crap I lovu

  60. If you plan to take cell phone videos of cops, make sure you put on an app that auto-uploads the video to somewhere you can control without your phone.

    Seize my phone? Sure, whatever.

    1. You don’t even need an app; It takes like two seconds on most smartphones to upload a video to YouTube.

  61. This is why the cops want us disarmed. In a just world, the people on that street would have come out of their houses and opened fire on those baboons, and left their bullet riddled carcasses in the street for the garbage truck.

    1. Not if one lives in a liberal environment, the citizens would be disarmed and the criminals would just laugh while they drove off somewhere else and pulled a quick crime while everyone one was distracted. And we wonder why the Founders created the 2nd Amendment!

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