Philly FOP President to Police Advisory Commission: "Your group poses a direct threat to public safety in this City. A threat which should no longer be tolerated by our citizens or their government."



In a letter sent a little more than two months ago from the president of thePhilly Fraternal Order of Police to the Philly Police Advisory Commission, the FOP president wrote it was "absolutely incredible that you would engage in any attempt to further weaken and demoralize the Philadelphia Police Department in a time of crisis with a significantly growing crime problem in this City. The danger your policy poses to our citizens is both reckless and inexcusable." The Commission's alleged attempt to weaken the Philly PD involved calling officers and telling them to apologize to civilians that have complained.

The Police Advisory Commission did not respond to the letter. Asked about it, the executive director, William Johnson, said: "the letter isn't factual in its content, so we're not going to engage in that."

The letter from the FOP president ended by claiming the Police Advisory Commission "poses a direct threat to public safety" in Philadelphia. Joel Mathis at Philly Magazine's Philly Post blog interpreted the letter this way:

McNesby's attitude, then, is that accountability—even toothless accountability—is dangerous, that citizens who demand it are a threat. This is scary stuff.

To be fair, Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey appears to be fighting these attitudes… But he's fighting an uphill battle.

We in Philadelphia rightly and regularly lament the "stop snitching" culture that allows criminals to evade responsibility for their crimes. But we rarely talk about how that culture is perpetuated by the evident contempt of local cops for the city and residents they serve. The police don't earn our trust just because they have a badge and a gun.

Philadelphia police hate Philadelphia. Their job might be easier—and we all might be safer—if they didn't.

NEXT: Is it true that California's "bad laws and regulations are not a license for lawlessness"?

Editor's Note: We invite comments and request that they be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of Reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment for any reason at any time. Report abuses.

  1. I had to read the “stop snitching” bit a couple of times before I realized it wasn’t about the thin blue line.

    1. No, no – that would be a letter to the FOP membership telling them Internal Affairs was a direct threat to the Philly PD…

    2. +100

  2. That photo is so totally NOT of a labor union leader… what?

    1. Don’t mock years of breeding and genetic engineering. That neck, hair, and beady-eyes didn’t happen by chance.

      1. Would love to see him trying to climb a fence in pursuit of of a suspect.

        1. Climb? Why, when you could just walk right through it.

    2. Not only a union leader, but a fuckin’ POLICE union leader. Guy’s a walking stereotype.

  3. Alt-text: A threat to every donut shop in Philadelphia.

    1. This is the same piece of shit who claimed that not only did the kid who ran onto the field during a Phillies game deserve to get tazed, but his parents should be tazed, too. So all I have to say to him is: fuck you, you fat fucking fuck.

  4. To be fair, I hate Philadelphia too.

    I hate not getting to answer “40” every week when my timesheet asks how many hours I worked outside the city – it would be a 2.5% raise.

    1. But isn’t it always sunny in Philadelphia?

      1. But you pay for every lumen.

    2. That depends on if you live in the city or not. If you live outside the city it would be a 3.4985% raise. If you live in the city you are boned no matter where you work.

      1. I live outside the city, but since it’s still in Pennsylvania I would be charged a total of 2% in municipal and school income taxes instead of my current 4.4985% if I worked at home every day.

  5. So, cops found to have engaged in wrongdoing have to call the injured party and apologize?

    I’m guessing there are a lot of “Sorry if you were offended when I kicked your head” apologies floating around.

    1. I bet there just aren’t a lot of apologies. When the board asks the police the apologize, I am sure they start off a chain of “approval” to apologize and most of them are deemed inappropriate or the officer is cleared of wrongdoing and doesn’t have to apologize.

    2. I bet there just aren’t a lot of apologies. When the board asks the police the apologize, I am sure they start off a chain of “approval” to apologize and most of them are deemed inappropriate or the officer is cleared of wrongdoing and doesn’t have to apologize.

    3. Apologizing is an admission of doing wrong, and power means never admitting fault.

      Thus requesting that police apologize is a threat to their power, and will not be tolerated.

  6. OT: Daily krugman propaganda.


    1. Damn you! I was going to do link to Kruggers in the PM Links! Oh well.

      Krugnuts blames the economy on the Republicans and claims that Barry never gets his way, except when he got the stimulus, and the TARP he voted for, and the auto bailouts, and the debt ceiling increase, and the solar loans, but other than those, it’s been all about TEAM Red.

      Krugabe claims that spending has been cut and yet spending has never been higher, either as a percentage of GDP or in total.

      And this (butt)nugget of a canard:

      Over all, the picture for America in 2012 bears a stunning resemblance to the great mistake of 1937, when F.D.R. prematurely slashed spending, sending the U.S. economy – which had actually been recovering fairly fast until that point – into the second leg of the Great Depression. In F.D.R.’s case, however, this was an unforced error, since he had a solidly Democratic Congress.

      As much as Krugjugs might wish it weren’t so, total expenditures in 1937 were still greater than all the years preceding it. There was also the massive influx of gold from Europe to the United States, increasing the supply of money and the increase in the cost of labor that resulted from the Social Security Act, the Wagner Act, and the National Labor Relations Act of 1935.

      1. There was also the massive influx of gold from Europe to the United States


        1. Those wacky National Socialists were making people very nervous in Europe, but not nervous enough I suppose. Good news though, at least the men who were put out of work by FDR’s union-fellating National Labor Relations Act and Fair Labor Relations Act got the privilege of dying and being maimed by Germans and Japanese.

    2. Don Boudreaux has already penned a letter in response. It’s not posted at Cafe Hayek yet, but it probably will be soon.

    3. I did it in the AM links.

    4. I still remember when President Harry Truman ran against the “do-nothing Congress.” (I’m 78-years-old). At every train whistle-stop he made, he would repeat the “do-nothing Congress” slogan. And the the crowd would shout back: “Give them hell, Harry”! That’s what Obama has to do. Take off the kid gloves and hammer at home that today’s Congress is a “do-nothing Congress.” Stop worrying about what Karl Rove thinks. If Obama doesn’t do it, Karl Rove will.
      Philadelphia, PA
      Jun 04, 2012 1:40 PM

      He actually remembers the truth behind the big lie, and he still believes krugnuts?

  7. It’s refreshing when the police or their union representatives are this honest. Let us know how you really feel about us.

  8. FOP letter translation:

    I bet Mr. William Johnson has a nice house family. Be a shame if anything were to happen to them.

    1. The ampersand bandit strikes again!

      1. “Ampersand bandit” sounds vaguely sexual. I like it.

        1. The Ampersand does look like a guy sitting on the floor jacking it, after all.

          1. I think you and Jimbo need to have a “dirty-mind-off”. I will now let your filthy cranium work on that statement.

          2. Ron Jeremy-style jacking?

            1. Look at him. There’s the head, there’s his big round ass on the floor, his pee-pee is sticking out and he’s got a hold of it.

              1. And he’s right beside an asshole.

                1. To me it looks like he’s bending over while holding his weiner. Like I said – Ron Jeremy-style.

                  1. Definitely looks like he’s trying to blow his own horn.

            2. With a chick way out of his league constantly in the way of his hand? It’s good to be king, it’s even better to be Ron Jeremy.

            3. BTWm the best thing on South Parkthis season!



              1. Rats, with video this time —


          3. I propose a ban of keyboards from schools and other public places. For the chillunz and sensitive old ladies, of course.

      2. Or maybe they were only threatening his house family and not his car family.

        Hey, I wonder if + signs work?

        1. Cool. Problem solved + squirrels defeated. For now.

        2. I am close to referring to the site as hANDr until they get it fixed. The only things holding me back are my laziness and the fact that it’s a stupid idea.

          1. H’n’R is snazzier

            1. Meh, that looks like the shortened name of a weak 90s band.

          2. The fact that it’s a stupid idea makes it more appealing, actually. DO IT

          3. HR?

            1. Dammit.

      3. Fucking ampersand asshole.

      4. You can take my from my cold dead hands.

        1. Offer accepted.

  9. The Philly PD, which has the awesome distinction of being one of the only PD’s in the nation to actually drop a bomb on a neighborhood from a Police Helicopter.

    http://plato.mercyhurst.edu/en…..rican/Phil Fire Move.htm

    “Direct threat” indeed.

    1. Yeah, but…Mumia killed a cop or something

      1. It would take a lot for me to feel any sympathy for Mumia since all the evidence makes him appear ridiculously guilty (or really really stupid), but mugs like McNesby aren’t helping.

      2. I propose an exchange of Mumia for Pollard since both have now committed some serious hard time. Once the Israelis realize that Mumia is not Jewish they’ll learn just what assholes we Americans can be when we put our minds too it.

        1. Both of them should have taken a ride on the needle years ago.

    2. My shadow falls on the corrupt and the righteous alike.

      1. You know, I need some new letterhead anyway. I can see doing up a new department logo. Wrap the company logo in stylized barbed wire, maybe, and add that (in Latin) as the motto.


  10. That’s why I’m a Dapper Dan man.

  11. Fop

    I don’t want Fop, goddammit! I’m a Dapper Dan man.

    1. Sometimes a one-word alt text is all you need. Just be thankful it wasn’t “fap.”

  12. Damn. Is FOP short for Full Of Pudding?

    1. Fully Obese Pinhead?

      1. Fuck Off Proles?

      2. Frequently Obtuse Porker

    2. Fanged Orangutan Poontang

      1. But enough about my wife!

    3. Fisting Orifices of Proles.

  13. What’s the sound you hear when cops get away with their brutality?


    1. You’d think that persistent, illegal beat downs would burn off more calories.

      1. That’s not fat, it the bile that paradoxically builds up whenever you can do whatever you want and not get punished for it. Sort of like how actors and singers are always talking about how tough it is to have millions of dollars and be adored.

        1. It could be a mating thing, like the Greater Prairie Chicken.

  14. For years I have had the impression that the philly P.D. is on par with the N.O.P.D. with regards to corruption and criminality, and by god, that is saying a lot.

    1. What’s really hilarious is that in a state where former Philly Mayor Ed Rendell became governor and used his post to legalize gambling in major cities, allegedly engaging in possible shenanigans to his personal financial benefit, it is a Republican State Senator who goes to jail for corruption

      1. Hit submit too soon. Anyway, not saying Orie is innocent, but just how fucking blatant were her crime that they went after her ahead of Rendell on corruption charges?

  15. These is nothing worse than a union zealot (which the FOP might as well be). They see everyone as a mortal enemy out to steal their birthright, and violence is seldom out of the question in defending it.

  16. Now we can finally solve all those missing-person cases in Philly: The FOP guy ate them.

    Probably invited them over for cheesesteak and a nice chianti.

  17. Is it just me or do the cops in Reason bear a striking resemblance to pigs? It is like their souls are affecting their looks or something.

  18. I like these apology policies. I’ve only ever been hassled by the pigs twice, but if they had to come to my door with a supervisor in tow and tail between their legs like the pooches they slaughter, I would probably hold a sliver of the animosity I do now, no matter how disingenuous, and so long as it wasn’t too major a violation. Hospitals have been able to reduce malpractice claims simply by having doctors apologize when they do something wrong, so long as the apology isn’t admissible at trial. With the pricks I’ve met that are cops, most would find the practice excruciating and unpalatable, and the good ones may do this anyway.

Please to post comments

Comments are closed.