Was Nicholas Kristof's Story About an Underage Prostitute Peddled on Backpage.com 'Concocted'?
On Sunday, as part of his campaign against Backpage.com, the online classified-ad service owned by Village Voice Media, New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof told the story of "Alissa," a former underage prostitute who "escaped that life and is now a 24-year-old college senior planning to become a lawyer." Kristof reported that "Alissa says pimps routinely peddled her on Backpage," beginning when she was 16. He quoted Alissa as saying, "You can't buy a child at Wal-Mart, can you? No, but you can go to Backpage and buy me on Backpage." The headline for a video accompanying the online version of Kristof's column says, "Age 16, She Was Sold on Backpage.com." Kristof claimed "court records and public officials back Alissa's account."
But as Village Voice Media (VVM) points out, Alissa turned 16 in 2003, and "Backpage.com did not exist anywhere in America in 2003." The company adds that Alissa, who testified that she had been compelled to work as a prostitute in Boston, New York, Philadelphia, and Atlantic City, said she left prostitution in August 2005, and "in the summer of 2005 Backpage.com did not exist in Boston, New York, Philadelphia or Atlantic City." VVM says Kristof could have found this out readily enough:
He could have read the court transcripts. He could have read the testimony of A.G. (the victim). He could have read the testimony of FBI agent Tamara Harty. He could have Googled the case and read the coverage in The Boston Globe which reported: "Soon after meeting (agent) Harty in 2005, (she) was moved out of state to a home for troubled youth."
Neglecting to do any of the above, Kristof could still have asked us.
Instead, says VVM, Kristof "concocted a story to suit his agenda." Kristof responds on his blog:
Alissa turned 16 at the end of 2003….All during 2004, she was 16 years old, traveling up and down the east coast being pimped. Backpage operated in at least 11 cities during 2004, including Miami and Fort Lauderdale, both of them cities Alissa where [sic] says she was pimped on Backpage. Then at 17, as Backpage expanded to 30 cities including Boston, she was pimped even more broadly on Backpage — and also in Village Voice print ads, she says.
Moreover, contrary to what the Voice says, Alissa continued in the sex trade until 2007, when she got out for good. Backpage was steadily expanding and becoming a major force in this period, and pimps routinely used it to sell her, she says.
VVM says Alissa did not mention any of these details in her court testimony. According to the October 2010 Boston Globe story to which VVM refers, Alissa (dubbed "Jessica" by the Globe) left prostitution in 2005, not 2007, and the case against her pimps "covered incidents that happened between 2001 and 2005." By 2007, when Kristof now claims she "got out for good," she would have been 19 or 20.
Do any of these details matter? Only if you accept Kristof's premise that VVM is responsible for criminal misuse of Backpage.com. That logic would also make Craigslist responsible for the deaths of men lured to their deaths by online job ads, Louisville Slugger responsible for assaults aided by its bats, and GM responsible for bank robberies in which its products are used as getaway cars. Kristof concedes that "many prostitution ads on Backpage are placed by adult women acting on their own without coercion," and he says "they're not my concern." Yet he cites the National Association of Attorneys General, which routinely equates all prostitution with slavery, to back up his claim that Backpage.com is "the premier Web site for human trafficking in the United States," and he joins those bullying busybodies in demanding that VVM stop accepting "adult" ads, suggesting that advertisers should boycott The Village Voice until it does. All this while admitting that "Backpage's exit from prostitution advertising wouldn't solve the problem." It would, however, force Kristof to pick a new scapegoat.
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The question pretty much answers itself.
Sounds truthy.
Nicholas Kristof, wears a terrible toupee, and this is coming from ME.
It's actually a pube-covered lead helmet that stops his jaw from swaying with the rotation of the earth.
Whatever. But I bet she uses Birth Control. Now let the scandal talk begin! [/snark]
Abolish the wages system
If it was made up, it still served The Greater Good (TM).
Vlad and Atilla ain't got nothing on me!
Mr. Kristof, your story is both alarming and true.
Unfortunately, the parts which are true aren't alarming and the parts which are alarming aren't true.
Buzz off, gasbag.
Women are not forced into prostitution. They become prostitutes because it is an easy way to make money. The domesticated are against prostitution because they want others to suffer as much as they do in their henpecked lives.
That is mostly true for your local painted face trollops. Prostitution is easy for the ugly ones, and stripping is even easier for the prettier ones. Not true for a girl freshly off the boat not knowing anything about where she is. The triads are notorious for sex slavery and if you whoremonger Asian massage parlors there is a good chance that is what you are getting, a sex slave.
"The triads are notorious for sex slavery and if you whoremonger Asian massage parlors there is a good chance that is what you are getting, a sex slave."
I've heard and read this several (many?) times, but have yet to see real evidence of it.
Got any?
Sure. Wont even rely on hearsay from a Chinese lady with whom I once worked (not her, just what she knew about her own community).
http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/new.....s-20091116
specifically about the triads:
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the...of.../trafficking.pdf
Also, I'm sure Ling at the Red Arrow club in the Hong Kong was a sex slave. The bartender at the small dive on the canal street will talk your head off about the trafficking if you ask the right questions.
And please don't remind me about my standard 'why would you trust the CIA on anything', that would be most ungracious. I could have spent more time searching for another source of equal or better credibility but I'm in the middle of some death matches in between popping up here.
First link is FOX news with anecdotes; exactly what I've heard and read. No go as evidence.
Second link gets a '404 error' or some such.
Still looking.
I checked that length before passing it to you, read the searches for triad and got plenty of info. Try this google docs link to it:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:yJ_LggIGSIAJ:https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/books-and-monographs/trafficking.pdf+boat+california+sex+slaves+triads&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESg8BMtL4dq-elo6YlKQgWRiYvGNKTYsng0q4EFALll45uJDp4grZrdR95mZqoG_UlWnTP0fvVvR7dDjvo9mkxNKZ31SdcyPe6nT1YJzyn9vc-6lTsiRIvTnwXtA3dBWRCMSoIiy&sig=AHIEtbQW-QEB473oR035prCk5vjXPkCd0A
In case you are wondering about 'boat' and 'California' in the search there, I was looking up a matter I vaguely remember concerning a boat load of triad sex slaves rescued at sea. If anyone remembers something like that from the late nineties give a holler.
BTW, the only reason I countered TELLMOFF is because the illegality of prostitution serves the purposes of organized crime that engages in trafficking. In a modern, free market, a pretty girl off the boat not speaking English would be sought by agencies to represent her, and they would be bidding one another over who could make her experience as comfortable as possible. Though the ugly ones would still have to rely on pimps until cheap cosmetic surgery is available. Damn, government for all the unnecessary suffering!
Killazontherun|3.21.12 @ 10:48PM|#
"BTW, the only reason I countered TELLMOFF is because the illegality of prostitution serves the purposes of organized crime that engages in trafficking."
I don't doubt that it happens. I do doubt that it happens in any appreciable amount; too much money to be made otherwise.
Again, I've yet to see evidence.
TELLMOFF|3.21.12 @ 9:35PM|#
"Women are not forced into prostitution. They become prostitutes because it is an easy way to make money."
Far as I can tell, that seems to be what goes on.
"The domesticated are against prostitution because they want others to suffer as much as they do in their henpecked lives."
Disagreed. I propose that Kristof and those of his ilk are simply upset that the government has no control over the matter.
Were the government to 'license' hos, I'd bet Kristof would be first in line to applaud the new government agency, dedicated to improving health and welfare.
wow! u have no clue what kind of place we live in today... im 26 and i was taken by a pimp and YES forced to do things i didnt want to do but i did them so i could eat. People like u need to step out side the box and look around. and if not then dont make remarks that u cant support with facts.. thank u.
force to what??? bullshit ass hoe it s ur choice if u wanna eat then work somewhere n get urself together it s not as if u aint got no green card
You shouldn't of done that, Kristof. VV is now going to look into your collected work and find out if you have a Stephen Glass problem. I've read enough of your horse shit over the years to know where to place that bet.
From your fingers to God's ears, KotR. I'd love to see this mountebank ridden out of the profession.
Kristof is a grade-A lying shitbag. Just ask Steven Hatfill.
http://www.theatlantic.com/mag.....-man/8019/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Hatfill
This can't possibly be emphasized enough. If the New York Times had even a shred of integrity left in their organization, this lowlife verminous piece of shit would have been been fired a long time ago for what he did to that poor guy.
And he was never held responsible for that. And people still act like he is a trustworthy serious person.
Thanks for those links. I had never read a full account of Hatfill's saga before. Glad I did. He was truly fucked over by government.
Same here, fascinating stuff.
Per the Louisville slugger reference; does anyone still use wood bats for assault? I gave a friend my son's old black Easton aluminum bat for under the car seat use. I suppose the metallic ping noise on a solid impact could be offputting, but I don't see wasting a high dollar wood bat.
You can't nail bait with aluminum, bruh.
You can burn a wood bat. Easier to get rid of the evidence.
I like the way you think.
Up on Drudge:
LA City Council Close To Resolution Barring Radio Hosts From 'Racist, Sexist' Comments...
I would have absolutely no problem with them doing that if the council was willing to do the intellectually honest thing and secede from the union first. Instead, they are going to pretend that absent that condition they are not bound to honor the compact, or worse, acknowledge that they are even violating it. Time to send in the National Guard to end that nonsense.
The LA City Council has convened in an alternate reality since about 1930. They have always been utterly deluded about the scope of their power, especially as it regards the mayor and the LAPD.
Stand up, Jerry Brown, be the hero you were born to be. Call in the National Guard, find some law on the books from civil war times concerning refusal to carry out the oath of office, it's likely there given the historical circumstance. Do it, Jerry. You know you wanna.
Moonbeam can't even stand up the various government unions to save the state from insolvency. He certainly doesn't have time to bother with reality-challenged city councils.
The pity of it all is, JB is in a 'what do I have to lose doing the right thing this time around' type of situation, and he still bowed down to the unions.
"The pity of it all is, JB is in a 'what do I have to lose doing the right thing this time around' type of situation,.."
While offing the RDAs hints otherwise, I still doubt moonbeam realizes the damage done by the Dill Act. Or he's simply unwilling to admit the grievous harm he's done.
The man has never shown any ability to admit mistakes.
How the fuck does LA Council figure it has such power?
Oh, wait... they're Democrats.
What's worse, Backpage gave Alissa hexane poisoning.
Ha! 🙂
You would think that a writer caught red-handed in a major fabrication would never work again.
Unless, of course, the fabrication advances The Narrative. Then it's all good.
We watch out for our own.
That is right rat fucker.
The NYT still hasn't returned the Pulitzer that Walter Duranty got for parroting the Soviet's propaganda line.
-jcr
You would think that having all this activity on backpage would be ideal, by getting everyone in one place. Instead of having to go out and actually find the trafficking, just sit at the computer, reply to a few ads and voila. Budget savings!
And your point is ...?
I have to wonder if Kristof's actual purpose here is to stop underage prostitution, or attack a competitor to the NYT for classified ad revenues. The Village Voice has been a far better source for real estate ads than the NYT for quite a long time.
-jcr
"I have to wonder if Kristof's actual purpose here is to stop underage prostitution, or attack a competitor to the NYT for classified ad revenues."
I'd guess the intent was to cast Kristof as a 'member of those concerned about progress uncontrolled by the state'.
No more, no less; if any new activity isn't under the control of the state, Kristof, and those like him, are 'concerned'.
OT
A good defense of insider trading coming out of, sit down before continuing you are not ready for this, Harvahd. That's right, Harvahd.
http://www.atlassociety.org/br.....er-trading
If you're gonna do that to the second syllable, maybe consider doing it to the first. Say it with me now, "Hahvahd."
If you want to all phonetical, its really more like "Hahvud".
"Age 16, ...
She could have done so legally in Switzerland, part time job in high school and what not...
just sayin'
And in many states she could have given it away...I know I did at that age.
So, a story from the power-worshiping lewinsky press is yet again, one more time, what's-new, dog-bites-man found to be a pile of bull shit.
What is it with reason.com that it insists on citing the sycophantic herd of liars at the nytimes??????
This post seemed like a criticism of Kristof.
Kristof = liberal griefer willing to bend the truth for The Cause.
White slavery moral panics are so quaint.
"Ppppt. Reason.com is just another libertarian shill for Big Whore"
"Big Whore"
A startup funded by TARP money, now considering an IPO listing on NASDAQ, but in 'quiet time'.
Assailed by lefties as 'corporatizing what was a family business!' So-cons alarmed that a business delivers pleasure!
Steven Chu defends it in congressional testimony as 'saving energy from the efficient distribution of hos.'
Kristof confused.
Do any of these details matter?
Yes the devil is in the details: the fact is that job offers/products are legal and are sold as such. BTW, adults are responsible for their own safety.
Whereas, prostitution is illegal, and publishers have a duty not to profit on criminal activity, and like any non-libertarian/moral human to prevent trafficking of children.
Details like the service didn't exist at the time the woman claims her ass was for sale through that service?
Did you even bother to RTFA before wagging that finger disapprovingly?
Yes, I did.
First, it is a fact that these ads are for prostitution, or are we playing semantics?
Second, children are sold
Third, I don't give a fuck if it was this magazine, that ad, one editor's decision, Monday, a crescent moon, they fucking know children are sold when they cash the pimps check
rather|3.21.12 @ 11:23PM|#
"Second, children are sold"
I'm sure they are. And?
"Third, I don't give a fuck if it was this magazine, that ad, one editor's decision, Monday, a crescent moon, they fucking know children are sold when they cash the pimps check"
So, since it happens, you are more than willing to outlaw any of those circumstances simply because you're an ignorant griefer?
Stuff it.
Whereas, prostitution is illegal
So you approve of head shops, either. Goddamn prude. No wonder no one likes you.
I don't give a crap what adults do but ignoring child prostitution is a disguating male libertarian trait
You know what's disgusting, that you can't anchor your rants in to any semblance of reality. Tell me, in your words, rather, what is this article about?
So when are you going to infiltrate Cambodia, all Rambo-style, and fight the child prostitution there?
And BTW, most of your partisan asses hanged Anthony Weiner for his adult consensual behavior but not one of you acknowledges that kids are raped for money via ads in the back of the rags.
Like the other sensation seeking moralistic idiots out there, you are focused on the wrong party. When someone pays VV to run an ad, I'M HORNY, LET'S MEET' they are under no realistic obligation to go to the home of the person they are selling that ad to and finding out if the person really is horny and wants to meet some one nor if they have a kid locked up in basement they plan to use. What you and the AG's of America are suggesting is foolish.
And, btw, didn't think you could handle my question. It would call for some level of honesty from you, and what fun is that, right?
That's bullshit and you know it.
HM, this isn't my first day at this rodeo; libertarians don't give a shit about children, and you know it.
Not one of you mentioned the rape of children is facilitated through these ads, even in obiter dictum
rather|3.21.12 @ 11:56PM|#
"HM, this isn't my first day at this rodeo; libertarians don't give a shit about children, and you know it."
Lying asshole.
Let's try a syllogism:
1. Heroic Mulatto is a libertarian
2. Heroic Mulatto gives a shit about children
? You're being mendacious
The rape of children is also facilitated through the Internet, should Internet providers be immediately shut down if one of their customers uses their connection to upload or download child pornography?
so you're saying because it is harder to prevent child rape arrangements though the internet, we should ignore print transactions?
Well, it's harder to prevent identity theft via the internet too; so should we ignore this? What about ponzi schemes?
There are far more children who are sexually exploited by (a) pedophile priests, teachers, preachers, coaches, boy scout leaders, rabbis and law enforcement agents than any through adult ads online (b) family members constitute 68% of the predators of children- and NONE of the 90% of the predators of children fine their victims online. If you and rescue fetishists like Kristof don't demand that we shut down all after school sports activities, forbid children to participate in religious activities like being altar boys, abolish the Boy Scouts, Explorer Scout programs etc. then you are being disingenuous in demanding that backpage.com and any other adult forums shutter their adult ads to protect 'the children.' Check out the government reports on who the primary pedophiles are... and then tell me who doesn't give a rat's patoodie about children. Clearly it isn't Kristof OR the government.
That should be "find their victims" not 'fine...'
rather|3.21.12 @ 11:30PM|#
"I don't give a crap what adults do but ignoring child prostitution is a disguating male libertarian trait"
And you're a lying sack of shit.
Lord Sevo has spoken, so it must be veritas
rather|3.21.12 @ 11:59PM|#
"Lord Sevo has spoken, so it must be veritas"
Lying rather has *claimed* it, so it must be a lie.
Stuff it, asshole.
prove it
rather|3.22.12 @ 12:07AM|#
"prove it"
Prove you're an ignoramus? You've done so without my help.
Prove that you've made stupid claims without evidence? You've done so without my help.
Prove you're a griefer willing to invoke coercion to satisfy your fantasies? You've done so without my help.
Stuff it, asshole.
sevo, I love that you make a rebuttal unnecessary
I lived in Southeast Asia for several years. I saw with my own eyes what goes on in places like Battambang. When I got back to Thailand, I donated my time and money to places like Father Joe's to do something about it.
What did you do in the war, rather? Other than screech on a website and get off on unearned moral superiority?
*crickets chirping*
HM, If you knew me, you would LYAO at that snark
You called him a pedophile. I'm thinking you are quite socially inept at flirting.
I never did, he's just another libertarian coward
... but since he doesn't know you, you're not even going to offer him a shred of an answer that would satisfy the question in any way? Or were you going to wait until he's done LHAO?
"since he doesn't know you"
How do you know that to be true? Are you a psychic libertarian, or just male and presumptuous?
"publishers have a duty not to profit on criminal activity,"
WIH does that mean in English?
If you own a business, your duty is to follow the laws of the nation; ergo prostitution is illegal and you may not profit from its crime
rather|3.22.12 @ 12:02AM|#
"If you own a business, your duty is to follow the laws of the nation; ergo prostitution is illegal and you may not profit from its crime"
As compared to:
"publishers have a duty not to profit on criminal activity,"
Ergo, you're stupidity is hard to gauge, but it's beyond the limits of logic.
Stuff it, asshole.
Just because prostitution is illegal, doesn't mean that running escort service ads is illegal.
If a newspaper runs a classified ad for a used car that the seller has turned the odometer back on, should the buyer be able to sue the newspaper?
I thought not.
I see your not a defense attorney
And I hope you're not an editor too
*you're*
File this under 'it is okay when we do it, so I'll defend Democratic pervs', or 'I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, EVER!'?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....rl-17.html
A beleaguered Anthony Weiner today insisted that nothing inappropriate happened as it emerged police questioned an under-age girl who it was feared may have sent lewd messages by him.
He was never charged with a crime, the sexting was done consensually; kids cannot. Do I really need to google all the smart ass remarks about his behavior?
Are you really this fucking stupid? Am I actually having a conversation with someone as deeply in denial as you seem to be here? You can't be real. She was seventeen, you dumbass. Consent is irrelevant.
Killa - put down the keyboard and take three steps back...
Dude - YOU'RE ARGUING WITH RECTAL! Here, take my 24oz hammer and hit yourself in the head - it hurts less.
I say this because I care about you...and, for rectal, I care about teh childrunzz.
Poor Anthony Weiner, victim of libertarian harassment for having an inappropriate relationship with a high school junior. Yeah, that is an incredibly compelling case you are making there, fuckhead.
Are you related to sevo? Perhaps a siamese twin?
Just get the fuck out of here, already. This is feeling too much like bukkake and you are the one twisted freak in the middle that actually enjoys it.
"Just get the fuck out of here, already. This is feeling too much like bukkake and you are the one twisted freak in the middle that actually enjoys it."
For some reason that reminds me of ...let me think......
Killazontherun|3.21.12 @ 11:48PM|#
And, btw, didn't think you could handle my question. It would call for some level of honesty from you, and what fun is that, right?
You got me there! Woah!! That is like out of left field or something. How did you spot the tangle of inconsistencies between the two post that add up to such bold and dastardly hypocrisy on my part? It is so obvious now when you point it out, but you're like a savant or something to have possess such clear vision that you spotted it right away.
Let me translate the libertarian argument:
1.Oops we did ignore that fucking children is the result of these ads
2. Yes , we love to go ape shit over democrats and republicans caught with their pants down -who cares if they are adults
3. Bitch notices and the easiest distraction is to attack her personally. A libertarian has never admitted he's wrong.
BTW, your penis falling off when you tell the truth is just a fairy tale
tl;dr
Killa - ou're-yay ill-stay arguing ith-way ectal-ray....
Un-ray away!
I should, I really, really should run away, but it is so fucking easy to both get pissed at her stupidity and win points at the same time. It is like playing Doom in Godmode. You really shouldn't indulge yourself like that but the overkill in exploding sprites are so much fun.
Besides, I'm a SYG kind of guy!
fuck off you little coward
Here's a last little spurt in your eye, bukkake bitch. Ayyyy!!!!
don't ever have kids, or dogs
Rather, you get an "F" for reading comprehension.
You also get an "incomplete" for being unable to answer what this article was even about.
Go back to your desk, and try again.
You get a LM for Libertarian Male; I have no interest is your rules
How many ads did anthony wiener place for 17-yr-o in backpage.com?
Answer : 0
He solicited 17-yr-old's on twitter.
Therefore, according to troll logic, twitter profited from pedophilia.
Was he charged with a crime?
Or, are we alleging a thought crime
-How libertarian of you
@paul
Rather does not believe lying about the facts is important to the bigger picture. So I will apply the same logic to her blog, it advertises child prostitutes and therefore must be shut down, for the greater good of course.
See how easy this line of thinking is ?
As a non-libertarian female, I cannot ignore facts, and I do call libertarian's on their B&W thinking.
Yes, children are raped but that's not an important detail in a story about children being raped!
This is the why of libertarianism's lack of mainstreaming, despite this this election's political opportunity
Keep taking your medication thicko, the man lied, telling a lie over and over does not make it true. Oh, and the story is not about child rape, its about people lying, something you clearly have no problem with.
"its about people lying, something you clearly have no problem with."
I'm sorry, did I forget to mention I am neither libertarian or male?
We are here to stay.... Support a free and open internet http://www.cityviewads.com
America is tired of you do-gooders trying to censor everything that doesn't fit your lifestyle. You will never stop prostitution and as long as you criminalize it you will always have some pimp putting a young girl out on the street. You have to manage it and it has nothing to do with backpage.
I can't speak for child porn, but I can say that Backpage is among the more racist websites on the internet. My view is this: if a website promotes or allows racism, then it stands to reason that same website will exploit children.
Prostitution is INHERENTLY COERCIVE. Do this: consider renting an orifice for someone to masturbate with. Consent- if any- is vaguely superficial. Prostitutes are traumatized, often raped, beaten, devastated. Oddly, many say stop jailing johns, pimps, and madams. Understandably, many are alienated by feminist activists. Defensiveness preserves badly informed attitudes and self-deception; language intended to punish and offend provokes it. Objecting to assault is not misogyny. Misogyny is misogyny. There's worse confusion. I'm always amazed that people in our culture would fear sex more than death. Get an adult to help us. Demand for prostitution is associated with sex. Why is sex (and intimacy?) apparently so elusive for so many of these men? Seems telling that so many johns have wives or girlfriends, showing they can navigate our "industrial dating complex."