NYPD's Illegal Arrests Include Ticket Sellers As Well As Pot Smokers and Loiterers
Yesterday a state appeals court rebuked the New York Police Department for harassing, citing, and arresting a tourist attraction's ticket sellers. New York Skyride, which has offered simulated 15-minute helicopter tours of the city since 1994, relies on sidewalk ticket sales outside the Empire State Building, where it is located, for most of its business. Last year the NYPD decided that the company needed a "general vendor" license to sell tickets. But as The New York Times reports, "the waiting list for vendor licenses is currently closed, except under special allowances for military veterans." In short: You need a license to do that, and you can't get a license. That was the NYPD's excuse for issuing 14 summonses to Skyride employees and arresting six of them. But in response to a lawsuit by the company, the Appellate Division of the State Supreme Court yesterday ruled that the NYPD was misinterpreting the vendor license requirement, which applies to sellers of "goods or services":
In arguing that Skyline provides a "service," respondents present a strained and unnatural construction of that term. When one thinks of a "service," as that word is ordinarily used, things like haircuts, home repair, house cleaning and car washes come to mind. Skyride is more appropriately characterized as a form of entertainment….
Had the City Council intended to include "entertainment" within the reach of the general vending laws, it would have explicitly included that term in the statute….
No fair reading of the statute leads to the conclusion that the Skyride experience, or the tickets themselves, constitute "goods or services."
In other words, as Skyline's lawyer, Randy M. Mastro (who was a deputy mayor under Rudy Giuliani), told the Times, "It was a crazy thing for the city to do." Yet it was consistent with a pattern of illegal arrests by the NYPD, including bogus pot busts and unconstitutional loitering charges.
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Has the term "broken windows" come up in this conversation about New Yorkers being arrested for small and absurd reasons, yet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B....._York_City
I know this isn't the way that broken windows theory is generally sold, but, really, the idea that if you bust everybody for even small offenses, you'll have less trouble with big ones? Shouldn't be that surprising or revolutionary.
And that's what this looks like to me--like they've taken broken windows to an absurd extreme.
I can envision a bit of a bell curve on that.
At one extreme is allowing the thugs to deface the entire city with impunity. In the middle, the broken window theory makes the city relatively nice and orderly for average folks. At the other end of the curve is making it so difficult for the little guy to do business in the city that it's abandoned by anyone who has to earn an honest living.
I can envision a bit of a bell curve on that.
I envision more of a line.
On one side of the line you have a society that creates as many hurdles as possible before one person can do business with another. On the other side of the line is a society where it is seen as absurd and utterly unjust to make people pay their government for permission to engage in simple commerce with one another.
Well sure, I agree with that. But I think Ken's theory makes some sense too.
Regulation of street vendors is generally explained as preventing nuisances to pedestrians, such as impassable sidewalks and overly aggressive hawkers. I know that explanation is often an anti-competitive fig leaf, but there's probably also something to it.
Instead of a line, I'd say its more of a "frontier". I favor erring on the side of liberty in such a case.
Chicago PD busting Occupiers for small stuff (throwing stuff) and then charging them with a crime with big fines.
Judge throws out the cases because the city was overdoing it, making big cash grabs out of misdemeanors. Then the CPD gets sued for wrongful arrest and the idiot police whine about it.
Play in the dirt you get dirty.
The entire quote is pretty ridiculous, since providing entertainment really isn't different from providing a service. Of course, having to have a license to sell tickets is a bad idea in general anyway.
Agreed on both counts. Everyone in the article is wrong.
What better way to promote jobs and a vibrant economy than to require licenses for everything?
One better way might be to also arrest the tourists who buy the tickets... oh that was rhetorical.
Bonus economic boost for the inability to actually get a license because the line is closed.
Yeah, but who licenses the licensor?
The People?? give implicit license the licensor as they stand by and do nothing while the licensor kidnaps people at gunpoint for not having an explicit license.
The problem with New York is that it's leaders (and obviously the majority of its voters) don't think NYC is part of NY State or the United States.
They think of New York as some kind of independent City-State, like Monaco or ancient Athens. I never occurs to them that the U.S. Constitution or the laws of New York state actually apply to them.
Wait, what?
I have my own private army, you know.
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They will have a parade on June 24th.
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