Where Do I Go to Get Back My Valor?
Today the Supreme Court heard arguments for and against the Stolen Valor Act of 2006, under which falsely claiming to have received a military medal or decoration is a federal crime punishable by up to a year in jail. The case involves Xavier Alvarez, a minor politician in Southern California who invented a 25-year record of service in the U.S. Marines, capped by a Congressional Medal of Honor. Two years ago the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit agreed with Alvarez that prosecuting him for his lies violated the First Amendment. Much of today's debate revolved around the question of whether lies about purely factual matters have "First Amendment value," with Antonin Scalia stating that they do not (which is the government's position) and a few other justices seeming to agree. Assuming that is correct, the question becomes whether the Stolen Valor Act leaves enough "breathing space" for speech that does have value.
But since the Court is applying a constitutional provision that says "Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech," this approach seems backward. Shouldn't the question be whether the government has a compelling enough reason to overcome what sounds like a very strong presumption against punishing speech? At the very least, the First Amendment puts the burden of proof on the censors, who must justify their speech limits, rather than the speaker, who need not show that his words have value. (Alvarez's obviously had value to him, until he was exposed as a liar and subjected to nationwide ridicule and condemnation.) As Jonathan Libby, the federal public defender who urged the Court to uphold the 9th Circuit's ruling, put it, "Our founders believed that Congress as a general principle doesn't get to tell us what we as individuals can and cannot say." Of all the justices who spoke, Sonia Sotomayor came closest to the skeptical attitude that is appropriate when confronted by a new crime that involves saying things the government does not want you to say:
What harm are we protecting [against] here? I thought that the core of the First Amendment was to protect even…offensive speech. We have a legion of cases that said your emotional reaction to offensive speech is not enough. If that is the core of our First Amendment, what I hear, and that's what I think the court below said, is you can't really believe that a war veteran thinks less of the medal that he or she receives because someone's claiming fraudulently that they got one. They don't think less of the medal. We're reacting to the fact that we're offended by the thought that someone's claiming an honor they didn't receive.
So outside of the emotional reaction, where's the harm? And I'm not minimizing it. I too take offense when people make these kinds of claims, but I take offense when someone I'm dating makes a claim that's not true.
I think Sotomayor is right that the Stolen Valor Act really is about punishing offensive speech. But even if it were true that "a war veteran thinks less of the medal that he or she receives because someone's claiming fraudulently that they got one," that is not the sort of injury that justifies legal sanctions. "Stolen valor" is, after all, a metaphor; Alvarez did not actually steal anyone's property.
According to Solicitor General Donald Verrilli, "one of the harms that justifies this statute is the misappropriation of the government-conferred honor and esteem," and "there is also the particularized harm of the erosion of the value of the military honors…conferred by our government….For the government to say this is a really big deal and then to stand idly by when one charlatan after another makes a false claim to have won the medal does debase the value of the medal in the eyes of the soldiers….That is the government's interest." An interest, maybe, but not one that justifies criminalizing speech. Notice that Verrilli never explains whose rights Alvarez violated or how he did so. If debasing the value of a military medal were a crime, you could be thrown in jail for saying the Congressional Medal of Honor is a mark of dishonor that represents the random murder of innocent people who have the misfortunate to live in countries ruled by dictators who piss off the U.S. government.
Whatever harm might result from the lack of a criminal penalty for lying about military medals, the country somehow survived it for 230 years. Maybe that's because mendacious blowhards like Alvarez tend to be punished by public humiliation. The more often they make their claims, the more widely publicized those claims are, and the more benefit they derive from them, the more likely they are to be exposed. Rather than "stand idly by," which Verrilli portrays as the only alternative, the government could help the process along by making lists of medal recipients readily accessible and calling out liars. If the government has the resources to investigate, try, and imprison these guys, it surely has the resources to say they're not on the list. And if a phony hero is never exposed, meaning actual medal recipients never hear about his false claims, where is the harm?
The oral argument transcript is here (PDF). Previous coverage of U.S. v. Alvarez here.
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OK, having established my Firstness, I must confess that I am neither an anarchist nor a strict Medalist. If a loser narcissist imposter wants to clothe himself in the state's wardrobe of a "hero" for personal gains (amongst gullible hero-worshippers) I cannot protest.
Caveat emptor.
Discuss.
"one of the harms that justifies this statute is the misappropriation of the government-conferred honor and esteem,"
No thanks! Keep the government confirmed esteem....why don't you cut my taxes instead?
(That said, hey dickhead stop glossing yourself with the medals)
Librul!
Well said (except for your assertion that you are not an anarchist).
But I ain't no anarchist! I has principles! I hates the squares!
Love me?
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I guess SCOTUS needed a frivolous case to stretch their legs on.
I still can't believe this one went that far.
Yes, the first amendment means you can lie about stuff.
NOW can they get back to deciding whether or not Congress can make me eat broccoli?
It's actually not quite as simple or frivolous as you make it out to be. Obviously all lying can't be protected by the 1st - that would mean that even the perjury laws are unconstitutional.
Clearly the Supreme Court is going to have to come up with some way to delineate between protected lies and non-protected lies.
Fraud? Although that would primarily by a civil offense, not criminal. Although there is criminal fraud too.
Not sure where that line is though.
Yeah. I think the intent to profit by the deception is key.
We already have a line, and generally speaking it's lies where people have actual damages. Fraud, defamation, etc. all (with limited exceptions) require some sort of damages to be established. Even with perjury, the idea is that it creates a tangible harm to the state when people lie in court. To me, the overarching theme is, "You have the right to free speech, but that doesn't absolve you of the consequences of your exercise thereof." It seems like what's happening here is they realize that there's no actual harm--no veteran can demonstrate that the value of their hard-earned medals has been diluted--so they need to make up a criminal law for it. And that, in my opinion, is where it becomes punishing offensive speech... an act which renders the First Amendment meaningless.
If lying will become criminal period it's going to make a MESS of politics. At least some of it will be enjoyable.
Sonia Sotomayor said:
The mind...it boggles! O_o
Um, Sonia, hate to break it to you but whoever you are dating is probably lying about something before you even showed up.
What did the alleged dater lie about? You sexy and wise?
"Height/weight proportional"
In that case, I hope for her sake that her dates don't tell her that she's beautiful.
MALE GAZE
In Sotomayor's case, as is often the case when younger women date older men, power has its own special quality.
How about we just proescute liars who lie for personal gain for fraud instead of crafting unneccessary laws that serve only as political grandstanding?
Exactly. What he did was fraud, and he should be prosecuted for such. But, you're right, enacting new laws is not the way to address it.
Bu- bu- bu- the people elected us to do something. We can't get reelected by sitting on our asses and pointing to common law when someone comes to us with a problem. Fuck all you guys.
I'd rather pay congress to do nothing than pay them to fuck up our lives even more.
Self-proclaimed Wise Latina justice sides with Remarkably Slimy Latino politician.
An example of why it was stupid for Sotomayor to identify herself by race and gender...
I agree with her opinion, BTW.
Why don't they just make Fraud illegal?
Oh, wait....
"Stolen valor" is, after all, a metaphor; Alvarez did not actually steal anyone's property.
So its just like intellectual property.
With even weaker justification.
So perhaps this law is some sort of stealth adjunct to intellectual property abominations like SOPA? -- Promoting the idea that having something you didn't "earn" is truly equivalent to stealing it from someone else, and equally punishable?
They should at least get to give him the Branded treatment.
All but one man died.
There at Bitter Creek.
Cuz he wasn't even there.
Captain Crunch, Colonel Sanders, Sargent Bilko, they're all in trouble...
General Mills...
Does Captain Morgan get a pass, since he is apparently a pirate?
What about Captain Stubing?
Or Captain Stabbin'?
Actually, Colonel Sanders was actually a Colonel. Now, it was purely an honorific in the State Guard, but it was a "real" rank.
As an Air Force veteran who single-handedly won the Army Presidential Unit Citation 4 times, I'm outraged!
They give Army medals to fly boys?
single-handedly won the Army Presidential Unit Citation 4 times
I kinda think he is pulling you chain.
I see wut u did
If he claimed to be a marine, he is in the wrong uniform. Kinda gave it away.
I won the Army good conduct medal. I believe, but I'm not sure, I got it because I did not commit murder while in the service. That they know.
I can definitely see people being outraged over this, but when we start limiting speech, it's hard to stop. Some things allegedly deemed speech by the SCT are not speech in my mind, but I don't want to get into that argument right now. This clearly is speech.
I might suggest kicking the guy's ass. But only if you're willing to serve the time for assault. We'll see how outraged you really are.
Even the name of the law is stupid. "Stolen Valor" doesn't even make sense.
Why is free speech such a difficult concept for so many people?
This, this, this.
What the heck is so hard about saying "Nuh, uh" when someone asks did Candidate BlowHard win the Army Spiffiness Medal?
Indeed, if the government has such an interest in the medals being perceived with "proper respect" shouldn't they want the lists to make the list easy to find.
He should win a medal for that epic 'stache.
First off, this isn't merely offensive speech. This is intentional deception about matters of fact. With most false statements there is at least the possibility that the speaker didn't know what he or she was saying was false; not in this case, or in any case covered by this law.
Calling it "offensive speech" is completely missing the point. This is closer to fraud or impersonation of a police officer.
What is the harm?
The harm is to voters who were deceived into electing someone they thought had "served his country." I don't see any harm on the government side of things, though.
This is closer to fraud or impersonation of a police officer.
Who has he defrauded, and what specific physical asset did he steal as a result of that fraud? Where is the concrete harm?
Impersonating a police officer is an offense not because of someone trying to impress others by grandstanding, but because police officers can stop or pull someone over and question or arrest them, and obviously that poses problems of people complying if they question whether someone who looks like a police officer actually is.
So, again, where is the concrete harm in what this one grandstanding a-hole did?
"Intentional deception about maters of fact" isn't necessarily a crime. If I claimed I was a battleship, or had a 32 inch keyboard, those would be intentional deceptions about maters of fact, but I hardly think you'd like for them to be crimes punishable by fines probation or jail time.
The only time speech should be a crime are those where the alleged 'bad speech' cannot be countered by other 'good speech'.
With that idea in mind, I would guess impersonation of a police officer is only a crime because governments endow police officers with powers that ordinarily citizens don't have. A normal citizen will often be in a situation of having to immediately obey the orders of a police officer, or someone who claims to be one. There is no time to counter their claim with further speech. This is why its illegal to impersonate a police officer but not to impersonate a used car salesman.
You guys nailed it with the fraud. There already provisions to deal with this. This is a stupid law designed only to pander to the military. Military people I've discussed it with could care less.
My concerns are the ramifications of this ruling. If, as Scalia suggests, lying is not Constitutionally protected speech, cannot the government make lying illegal?
And as mentioned earlier, if it comes down on the other side, does that mean the provisions making lying under oath illegal are unconstitutional?
Better if the busybodies had not gone there with yet another law. The outcome could be grim no matter how it's decided.
My concerns are the ramifications of this ruling. If, as Scalia suggests, lying is not Constitutionally protected speech, cannot the government make lying illegal?
On the plus side, that would entail the Presidential cabinet, all of Congress, and the CIA, FBI, and NSA going straight to jail.
The Feds used to love this stuff. I was just researching a guy who the Army used extensively as a recruiter in WWI: he was a known poser - claimed he was a Col. in the Confederate Army (was only 10 in 1863) and rose to Major in the U.S. Army around time of Spanish American War.
Except for one year as a private in a post-war Virginia militia unit, he
never served at all.
He deserves a medal for that mustashe (spelling looks wrong, but I am tired and don't really care).
I predict SCOTUS will rule in favor of Alvarez (or against the Stolen Valor Act).
SCOTUS always gets the free speech stuff right.
If unlicensed medals are outlawed,
Only unsilenced outlaws will have mettle.
Congress does have the power
"To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;"
and
"To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"
So does this give Congress the power to regulate military uniforms and prevent imposters from interfering with the discipline and order?
The United States has entered into several international treaties - the Hague and Geneva Conventions - part of which deal specifically with when and how uniforms are worn. Do these treaties give Congress the necessary authority?
However,
"No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States" (Article I, Section 9)
The government can affirm or deny, upon request, the issuance of a particular medal to a particular individual. The legislature can censure or expel (depending upon its constitution) a member for defrauding his constituents. And a person can be publicly shamed for making false statements.
But you cannot make the issuance of a medal a requirement for any government position, nor can you imprison a person for falsely claiming to hold a medal. Doing so removes the distinction between a medal and a title, and makes it unconstitutional.
I'm talking about the uniform, not the medals.
I figured you were including the display of medals as part of the uniform. The Stolen Valor Act deals with medals, not uniforms in general.
In the more general case of uniforms, civilians are not subject to the rules governing the "discipline and order" of the armed forces.
Thus, in order for impersonation to be a crime for civilians, it must have the elements of fraud: namely that a falsehood was used to obtain an undue gain.
Let's be honest: politicians are salesmen. They sell themselves, and they sell ideologies.
When salesmen make claims that are factually false about their product, they are defrauding the consumer and are, rightfully, prosecuted for it when they're caught.
Why should it be different for politicians?
This is not nearly as confusing as you make it. The law should be restricted to lies that lead to fraud. If I say I won a medal and it leads me to get a job, then I have defrauded my employer. That should be a crime. There are likely a few other cases where it could conceivably be a crime, but I don't think bragging at a bar about made up medals have defrauded anyone. Hence, that shouldn't be a crime.
As a veteran, I am utterly indifferent to whether or not someone wants to wear the cheap costume jewelry the government gives out for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, the right place at the wrong time, the right place at the right time,doing a shitty job without breaking the rules, failing to dodge a bullet, or murdering innocent foreigners without actually having done any of the above.
Ask the mother of Ross McGinnis if she thinks it is a crime.
Ask Ross McGinnis mother if she thinks it is a crime.
And why is her opinion on the matter any more valid than another's?