Does Making Porn Disqualify You From Teaching?

This week the Mystic Valley Regional Charter School in Malden, Massachusetts, put a highly regarded teacher on paid leave after the local Fox affiliate revealed that he has appeared in several pornographic movies. No one alleges that Kevin Hogan, a crew coach who is also head of the school's English department, did anything illegal, and he gets high marks as a teacher. Yet the school is investigating him, ostensibly for giving an incomplete account of his work experience prior to taking his current job. When it broke the story on Tuesday, Fox 25 seemed mostly interested in titillation:

Kevin Hogan is an English teacher and crew coach at a top-rated Massachusetts public high school, but he brings some unusual experience to the job: until recently, he was starring in pornographic movies….

He can also be found on the Internet and in adult entertainment stores under his screen name: Hytch Cawke.

His movie credits include "Fetish World" and "Just Gone Gay 8," and FOX Undercover found his third movie, whose title is not fit to reveal in a family news outlet, in a local adult store. It features him answering an ad to have sex for money.

"Hi, I'm Hytch and I just answered the ad and now I'm here to see what it's like to be with a guy," he says to the camera.

But Hogan wasn't so talkative when FOX Undercover's camera was on him.

To provide a fig leaf of legitimate public interest, the TV station quoted three parents who were disturbed by the news for no clearly articulated reason, one of whom also said: "The kids really love him. He's been a great addition to the team." The story also noted that Hogan had "flawless references."

In a follow-up segment the next day, Fox 25 reported that the initial piece "sparked a flood of responses, many of them critical of the story. One tweet said 'Kevin Hogan did not deserve that. He's a good teacher with students supporting him.'" The headline on a story posted this morning asks, "Are private lives of teachers truly private?" Which seems like something Fox 25 should have asked before ruining this guy's life.

The closest the station has come to an intelligible justification for its exposé is this quote from a spokesman for the state Department of Elementary and Secondary Education, which also is investigating Hogan: "We expect teachers to hold a very high moral standard. They are role models for students."

So even if everyone concedes a teacher is good at teaching, he is disqualified from the job if he behaves immorally off the clock. Who decides what counts as immoral? Does it have to involve sex? Promiscuity and adultery too, or just making porn? Does it matter whether it is gay or straight porn?

Obviously, no one forced Hogan to make those movies. But should he have taken it for granted that he was throwing away his teaching career by doing so?

[Thanks to Andrew Friedrich for the tip.]

Comments

[Tulpa]

If this were a private school you wouldn't be making a peep.

[Apatheist]

But it is not.

[Reason "logic"]

1. School teachers can make all the porn they want to:

2. Reporters can't report on it, even if it's available online to the public, because if they do, it's ruining the porn star's life.

Weird shit, eh?

[Fluffy]

They can report on it, but if they do so deluding themselves that they are engaged in an important crusade to protect public schools from malignancy, they're cunts and deserve to be scorned as cunts.

I don't want anyone to arrest this Fox reporter. I just want everyone to fucking hate them.

[Turnabout is fair play, eh?]

[John]

I suppose some teacher out there somewhere got caught eating paste in kindergarden or giving a blowjob on their parents' couch or had their ex wife walk in on them with another women. Should they report that too? Just because the information humiliates the subject, does that make it newsworthy?

[Brendan]

There would be very few teachers in smaller towns if this happened.

There were some supremely hilarious and informative moments in a school where more then a few high school teachers went to that high school with the parents of their current students.

We learned quite a bit about the sex, drug, and drinking habits of some of our teachers. Made it very easy to call them on their hypocritical crap-not the standard lecture teachers give, but the undeserved judgements passed on students who were rumored to be more active then the norm, etc.

The same teachers teaching former classmates kids thing continues today. I moved from there almost 10 years ago and don't know how much parents are sharing with their kids about their current teachers...

Considering the things I saw with my own eyes from some of my age peers who have since gone on to teach at the school, were I them I wouldn't dream of teaching the children of my classmates.

Imagine Mom or Dad offhandedly mentioning that your teacher was a raging slut in high school or repeatedly experimented with same sex partners all the denying any homosexuality-yes, nothing wrong with that, but we know how quite a few people respond to stuff like that.
OR, your kids finding out from you or another kids parents that their teacher got really drunk at a party at your house as a teenager and had two drunken hookups in the bathroom. The kids will never look at their teacher or Grandma's house the same way ever again.

[Old Mexican]

Re: Imbecile who calls himself "Reason 'Logic'",

Why do you hate gay people?

[Be a Gay, Old Jose]

Just don't go all Stalinist on reporters when somebody finds a video with you getting it in the old address and licking your own Sanatorum.

[See]

This is why you fail. You can't see the difference between private people hating someone and the government acting on the same.

[Aresen]

Actually, public or private, it's a damned stupid reason for not offering someone a job.

The notion that teachers are "Holy Icon Role Models" is ridiculous. Think back at how many teachers you had that you thought "I don't want to be anything like him/her."

[jtuf]

Agreed. For starters, public school teachers work for the government, which is a big step down from being a porn star.

[Aresen]

Yeah, some pr0n stars can't stand up to the strain. Being unable to rise to the occassion, the go down the hole and blow their career.

[Holy Orders]

Of the 50 or so school teachers I had in K-12, only 2 of them were even worth talking to as human beings outside of school. One had another job outside of teaching and the other was looking for a career change. Career pedagogues provide zero use to students who aren't planning on being pedagogues - all the people I know who liked most of their school teachers eventually became school teachers.

[Ted S.]

My high school calculus teacher's other job was the owner of a liquor store.

[Pro Libertate]

Yes, I agree, but, on the other hand, the stupid public school system seems designed to get stupid ideas that have nothing to do with coursework shoved into my kids' heads. Pisses me off.

Not just politics, either. My oldest daughter (15) had a teacher talking some sleazy bullshit to the class. You know, keep that crap to yourself.

[Coeus]

the stupid public school system seems designed to get stupid ideas that have nothing to do with coursework shoved into my kids' heads. Pisses me off.

I got that exact same reaction from parents when I filled in some of the blanks in their U.S. history book. My god that thing was insipid. I know you can't include everything in a junior high textbook, but the things that they decided to contextualize and the things they dismissed were almost entirely slanted to "government saved us from evil freedom lovers".

[Tulpa]

I consider myself to be a role model, so it's justifiable to hold others to the same standard.

[mad libertarian guy]

I certainly don't want public school teachers to be role models for my children.

[Hugh Akston]

If this guy had a history of performing in dinner theater productions of Arsenic and Old Lace you wouldn't be making a peep.

[Dinner Theater isn't predatory]

on young girls like pornographers are. Do you want their lives ruined too?

[cynical]

Uh, maybe you didn't read the article, but it didn't sound like this guy's porn involved girls at all.

[I read the article]

Pornographers are always looking for more lives to ruin.

[Tonio]

Only because of the continued existence of prudes like you.

[RUIN is in the article above]

From those Reason prudes.

[mad libertarian guy]

Pornographers have helped make my life far more fulfilling.

[.]

"Pornographers are always looking for more lives to ruin."

So you're saying you were wrong and made a fool out of yourself bringing up girls in reference to this story.

Got it.

[Sevo]

Dinner Theater isn't predatory|12.2.11 @ 3:24PM|#
"on young girls like pornographers are."

Most commenter here are stupid like you are.

[Including you, Comrade Sevo?]

[Hugh Akston]

If this happened at a space station in the 23rd Century you wouldn't be making a peep.

[Gunny]

In space, no one can hear you scream....unless your scream is the battle cry of the United States Marine Corps.

[Hugh Akston]

If this were the basis for an episode of CSI:Cleveland you wouldn't be making a peep.

[Reformed Republican]

If this were Easter, I would be eating a Peep.

[Meme]

I never got the appeal of peeps.

[o3]

me neither

[Hugh Akston]

If this was about a diabetic cephalopod instead of a former pr0n-making teacher, and instead of the school it was some kind of four-dimensional non-euclidean geometric construct, you wouldn't be making a peep.

[Brendan]

I heard of a guy who ran one of those cephalopods down on foot, which apparently counted for something.

[K]

Sounds double tough.

[Mensan]

That would not be difficult at all on land, but if he somehow managed to do it underwater, then that would be mighty impressive.

[Hugh Akston]

If this was about something that hypothetically happened instead of something that actually happened, you wouldn't be making a peep. Therefore your argument is invalid.

[Paul]

I rarely laugh out loud at comments-- even the really funny ones... when I clicked on your link, I laughed out loud.

[Hugh Akston]

It was not easy to find a picture of Tulpa on the internets, let me tell you.

[Paul]

Don't be mean to Tulpa, I calculate we agree with him 31.7% of the time.

[rather]

Tulpa is famous on the internets
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t.....gzx-5DnTrA

[Swarm!]

[Radioactive]

OMG...A HOMO!!!!!

[Colonel_Angus]

If this were a private school, they are free to hire and fire who they wish, and we are free to judge them. This is a public school that should be held to constitutional standards being a government agency.

[Tulpa]

So you favor extra rights for those who gorge themselves at the public tit.

[sarcasmic]

I suppose if it were all straight porn he could be fired, but judging by the titles ("Just Gone Gay 8") the guy is part of a protected class and the only possible motivation for firing him is hatred of homosexuals.

[Montani Semper Liberi]

Many guys who do gay porn are doing it for the money, not because they are actually gay. They get paid more than doing straight porn where the big attraction is the female. That's what I've heard anyway.

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

Um, FYI:

If you let another man fuck you in the ass or ejaculate in your mouth, you are gay.

[Montani Semper Liberi]

Except that they aren't attracted to men or date/have sex with men in their private lives when they aren't getting paid. People will do a lot of things if you pay them enough money.

[Pablo]

From what I've read typical porn really doesn't pay that much. Like for each film, maybe enough to pay the month's rent. I would think that if a guy is really straight (as opposed to closeted homo) it will take a lot more than that to let another guy fuck him in the ass.

[Paul]

I saw an HBO special on porn and the top male gay porn stars make real money. The straight porn male stars make like $150 a week if they're on the A list.

[Mint Berry Crunch]

Did you omit a zero in that figure?

If Johnny Sins is only making $150 a week then I will be forced to reconsider my opinion of Occupy Wall Street, because that will mean that our current economic system is truly broken.

[Abdul]

He is the 69%!

[Mint Berry Crunch]

Damn right!

Seriously, I hope even the jizz-moppers who decontaminate the area after the scene is finished make more than 150 bucks per week.

[Spanky]

Well played, Abdul.

[.]

"The straight porn male stars make like $150 a week if they're on the A list."

Patently false.

[sarcasmic]

I'm going to have to take your word on that.

[Some dude]

Yea, just because prostitutes have sex all the time doesn't make them promiscuous.

[BakedPenguin]

So what if he was a pitcher, sloop? A spot reliever, so to speak?

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

Then gay too. Sorry, but if you consentually insert your phallus into another man, or let him do likewise, then you are gay.

NTTAWWT, but it does mean one is gay.

[But]

Yup. And all the female porn actors are prostitutes. 'Cause, sorry, but if you accept payment for having sex, then you are a prostitute.

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

Yes, that is the textbook definition of prostitution, so a woman who engages in sex for money is a prostitute.

The real question is: who gives a fuck?

[EDG reppin' LBC]

The real question is: who gives a fuck?

They don't give fucks, Sloop. They sell fucks.

[Zeb]

I don't know. There is probably some amount of money that you could pay me to get fucked in the ass (assuming a reasonable guarantee against serious injury or incurable disease). I'm pretty sure I'm not gay.

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

Not yet, but once your seal is broken, then you are.

[Radioactive]

is that like the urination paradox? i.e. if you flick it more than once you're jacking off?

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

Not if you have an enormous Tulpa-like prostate.

[Zeb]

"enormous Tulpa-like prostate"

Does that mean that your prostate is like Tulpa, or like Tulpa's prostate?

[Au H20]

What if you are ass fucked by a woman with a strap on? What then, Ken?

[Zeb]

"What if you are ass fucked by a woman with a strap on? What then, Ken?"

I think it depends on how much the dildo looks like a dick. And the woman's haircut.

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

Then not gay. First of all, it's not the same because it's made of rubber, or glass or whatever.

[Sixth Grader]

Can girls have babies if they were kissing in bathing suits?

[Tonio]

So if two men use a condom then it's not teh gay?

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

And to expand, I've had a woman stick her finger in my a-hole while fucking her, as I'm sure many others on here have had happen to them. That didn't mean we were part of a train.

[Zeb]

Fine. If someone wants to give me a million dollars for it, I'll be gay in sloopy's estimation. I still say it has more to do with what you are into than what activities you engage in. I wouldn't consider my self to have been non-straight before I had sex with women and I think that people can be properly considered gay before they engage in any gay sex.

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

I wouldn't consider my self to have been non-straight before I had sex with women and I think that people can be properly considered gay before they engage in any gay sex.

I may have to rethink my position after reading this.

[Tonio]

So what about the straight guys into femdom scenes where Mistress does them with her strapon?

[Tulpa]

Not yet, but once your seal is broken, then you are.

Um, dude? My colonoscopy violated me to a much greater extent than the most well-endowed human penetrator could ever hope to. (and they didn't even have the courtesy to tickle my pro')

[Jon Schaffer`s Right Hand]

Going to have to disagree with you here. Just because you are willing to do something for money on the regular does not mean you would choose to(or be oriented towards it through a combination of biology and environment) otherwise.

If I were Kzinti and an obligate carnivore, but decided to voluntarily consume plant matter my digestive tract could not process correctly, at no great harm to myself, would that make me less of a carnivore? I contend it would not.

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

My guess is it would make you an omnivore.

[rather]

lol

[Beloved Rev. Blue Moon]

Then gay too. Sorry, but if you consentually insert your phallus into another man, or let him do likewise, then you are gay.

Interesting. So if a vegetarian eats meat every once in awhile, or does eats meat for money, they are no longer vegetarian?

If a man has sex with a man once, but then has sex with women from there forward, is he gay? Straight? Straight-ish? Bi?

If a man engages in other sexual acts, but not insertive sex per se, with men, what is he then?

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

If a vegetarian eats mean once in a while, he ceases to be a vegetarian.
And the guy in your second hypothetical would be, IMO, a straight person that had at one time been gay.
And I couldn't say on the third. I don't know where an old-fashioned falls on the spectrum. Warty?

[dunphy]

according to PC CW gender theory, it does not matter who he has sex with. it matters what his sexual preference is.

iow, the CW is that if a man is married, and only has sex with his wife, but he actually WANTs to have sex with men, he's gay... it's not what he DOES, it's who he IS.

you can't "make a gay man straight" by him having sex with women, nor does a straight man who has sex with men magickally become gay.

since, according to CW the preference thing is not a "choice"

vegetarianism otoh is a choice that is DEFINED by what you do.

so, a guy who eats meat once in a while is either a weak vegetarian, or not a vegetarian.

[Coeus]

And the guy in your second hypothetical would be, IMO, a straight person that had at one time been gay.

Really sloop? That's a lot of assumptions to make just to keep a false dichotomy. Wouldn't it be easier to just accept a sliding continuum? I don't wanna get all Ron White on you here, but do you only watch lesbian porn?

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

I will refer you to my answer at 4:04. I think I may have been oversimplifying.

And I mostly watch lesbian porn. Mostly.

[Sailors, Men in Prison]

We beg to differ!

[Evangelical Preachers]

Us, too!

[John Tagliaferro]

So MA is all about suppressing the homos. Does that make them "flyover country" now?

[sven]

Flavor country, actually.

[Aresen]

...FOX Undercover found his third movie, whose title is not fit to reveal in a family news outlet...

Now I am curious, but too yellow to try looking for it while at work.

[Warty]

IAFD delivers

As Performer (check scene pairings)
Movie Title Distributor Notes Year Rev Formats
Ass Fucked by a DILF 2 Epic Distribution Top 2010 DRO
Fetish World Dominant Male 2010 D
Just Gone Gay 8 Top Dog Top 2010 DO

[Aresen]

Thanks Warty.

You can go back to watching them now.

[Clich? Bandit]

Wasnt Geraldo Rivera in porn for a while?

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

I believe you're mistaking him for Sly Stallone.

[Clich? Bandit]

Warty, can you use your non-at-work internet powers to settle this dispute?

[Warty]

I'm at work. I just have a better work than you.

But I don't need the internet to confirm that Sly Stallone was indeed in a porno in 1968 or so. It was called something like Party at Kitty's, and was later repackaged as something like The Italian Stallion after Rocky./

[Clich? Bandit]

And Geraldo?

(p.s. it disturbs me slightly that you know so much of this off the top of your head)

[Warty]

Wikipedia says nothing about pornography on Geraldo's page, except for this lovely tidbit:

"Estimates are that there are over 1 million Satanists in this country ... The majority of them are linked in a highly organized, very secretive network. From small towns to large cities, they have attracted police and FBI attention to their Satanic sexual child abuse, child pornography and grisly Satanic murders. The odds are that this is happening in your town."

RE: Sly:

Stallone had his first starring role in the soft core pornography feature film The Party at Kitty and Stud's (1970). He was paid US$200 for two days' work.[16] Stallone later explained that he had done the film out of desperation after being evicted from his apartment and finding himself homeless for several days. He has also said that he slept three weeks in the New York City Port Authority bus station prior to seeing a casting notice for the film.[16] In the actor's words, "it was either do that movie or rob someone, because I was at the end ? the very end ? of my rope".[17] The film was released several years later as Italian Stallion, in order to cash in on Stallone's new found fame (the new title was taken from Stallone's nickname since Rocky and a line from the film).
Stallone also starred in the erotic off-Broadway stage play Score which ran for 23 performances at the Martinique Theatre from October 28 ? November 15, 1971 and was later made into a film by Radley Metzger.

[Clich? Bandit]

you are a font of information.

[Radioactive]

yeah a regular font...

[Clich? Bandit]

Also, Live free or Diet needs your wisdom here

[Paul]

I'm at work. I just have a better work than you.

Maybe.

You either are friends with the network administrator, your network administrator sucks, or you don't have one.

In the last case, your work is both better and worse at the same time.

[John Tagliaferro]

Giraldo Rivera's old Donahue Show ripoff never rose to the quality or purity of porn.

[squishua]

What the hell is a DILF? I thought it was Daughter I'd Like to Fuck, but that doesn't sound right for gay porn.

[squishua]

Derp. Just realized it must be "Dad I'd Like to Fuck".

[Radioactive]

Dude?

[John]

I is probably one of the following titles:
Whisper in the Wind, To Each His Own, Put it Where It Doesn't Belong, My Pipes Need Cleaning, ll Tit-Fucking, Volume Eight, I Need Your Cock, Ass-Worshipping im-Jobbers, My Cunt and Eight shafts, Cum Clean, Cum-Gargling Naked Sluts, Cum Buns Three, Cumming in a Sock, Cum on Eileen, Huge Black Cocks with Pearly White Cum, Slam It Up My Too-Loose Ass, Ass Blasters in Outer Space, Blowjobs by Betsy, Sucking Cock and Cunt, Finger My Ass, Play with my Puss, Three on a Dildo, Girls Who Crave Cock, Girls Who Crave Cunt, Men Alone Two-The K.Y. Connection, Pink Pussy Lips, and All Holes Filled with Hard Cock.

or maybe it was Happy Scrappy-The Hero Pup.

[Otter]

Clerks FTW!

[RobSmalls]

Oh Randall...

[Yeah Sure]

Yet the school is investigating him, ostensibly for giving an incomplete account of his work experience prior to taking his current job.

Do they also investigate teachers who don't list their stint at Taco Bell on their resum?s?

[dunphy]

can you give some examples?

i can tell you that knowingly lying on a PD application WILL get you fired. we fired a guy 5 yrs after he got hired when a detective found out he had lied on the background. full stop. no appeal.

i would assume school districts (at least some) have similar policies.

the operative question is WHAT DID HIS APPLICATION say about employment ?

did it say "list all FULL time jobs" (then he would not have been lying i would assume) in last X years, or what

as usual, all this rhetorical wanking aside, the details matter

[Playamanhattan]

What was he lying about? We had a guy fired during a background as a lateral for a new job at another department, and they told our dept what they found. He was fired on the spot, cleaned out his locker and was escorted off the property. No attempt at an appeal. I have bumped into him a few times since, and he won't tell me a thing. Nobody, not even his close friends, have any idea what he did....

[Jimmy Olsen]

What a bunch of scumbags those reporters are. Destroying a man's career for ratings. There wasn't any problem until they decided to out him. Now that the kids all know he was a pornstar, it could indeed be disruptive.

[Tim]

People love it when you lose.

[sarcasmic]

Don Henley comes to mind.

[squishua]

Wonder if the reporter was a bubble-headed bleach blonde?

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

Tune in in an hour and a half and find out.

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

GBoddammit, did nobody get my "Bubble-headed bleach blonde comes on at 5."

I even had the time right to the minute.

[cynical]

Depends, do the local Fox affiliates use the same hiring standards as Fox News?

[squishua]

^^^THIS^^^
(unfortunately)

[The guy ruined his own life]

We report. You decide.

[Ted S.]

The kids will probably have more respect for him.

[ChrisO]

He should be disqualified from teaching based on that atrocious porn name alone.

[Bones]

It's time for people to start fighting back by digging deep into the personal lives of the school administrators that put him on leave, the parents that may be pushing to have him not teach despite being a good teacher, and the news organizations that dug this up for whatever reason. Seriously, what prompted this investigation? It sounds like the guy was doing his job, doing it well, and not bringing attention to himself. So who the fuck started this witch hunt?

Not to even mention his past LEGAL work has any bearing on his current ability to do his unrelated job.

[dunphy]

this is not part of his PERSONAL life. he did it for EMPLOYMENT

your job history, when you are applying for a teacher's job is not "personal life". it's ... employment history.

my agency has fired people for having lied on their employment application

for most PD's and i would assume teaching districts, it is an automatic - you're fired.

personally i absolutely think a teacher should be able to do porn . that's not the issue

[Bones]

Yet if he discloses the irrelevant legal jobs he's done he wouldn't get hired. You are probably right about the policy of firing him for not disclosing it, but like so many things, that's a dumb policy.

They should do background checks related to criminal history, and he should list jobs relevant to what will show him to be a qualified teacher on his resume, and the rest, any jobs he does not wish to disclose, he should reserve the right to keep that to himself. And perhaps the employer doesn't hire him for gaps in his resume and that's fine, too.

[dunphy]

1) you don't know he wouldn't get hired. i SUSPECT the same thing, but who knows.

the reason you have to list (at least with cop jobs) ALL employment is that the prospective employer knows damn well, the job(s) you choose NOT to list are going to be the ones where they have some dirt on you, etc.

you can't selectively pick and choose. your past performance and especially BAD performance at prior employments is relevant

you don't list jobs JUST to show you are qualified in terms of what you know, etc. but you list jobs to show that you can "get along well with others", "take direction from supervisors " etc. if you can selectively pick and choose which ones you list, you are not giving full disclosure.

it's a contractual thing. libertarians should value that.

if you don't want to apply to a job that does that kind of scrutiny, that's your choice

but IF you do, and you lie, you have NOBODY to blame but yourself if you violate that, and fail (knowingly) to report.

[AuH20]

I mean, what if his porn director gave him a bad reference?

"That guy? No stamina! We had to shoot for 5 days because of that asshole. And speaking of his asshole..."

[pedant]

apparently bureaucratic nitpicking is the issue.

[Tonio]

Don't forget the reporters. I loves me some media figure falling from grace.

[MCab]

Reminds me of the play "The Teachers' Lounge."

Doesn't he know he's only supposed to be screwing his co-workers, and off-camera?

Moral issues aside, I wonder if a teacher doing porn would hurt his respectability with his students?

[whit]

porn is not illegal.

and i wasn't aware that the school districts are, or should be in the position to be making moral judgments about people's sex practices, whether done for money in front of a camera or otherwise, ASSUMING they are legal

however, due to teacher's substantial power/authority (see: in loco parentis), in some respects their personal stuff can be more closely scrutinized than the average public employee. that holds true for cops too. not just teachers

however, the primary issue was - did he lie on the background.

the same holds true for cops.

[dunphy]

ugh, did it again. posted as "whit"

[Aresen]

...in some respects their personal stuff can be more closely scrutinized...

As he was a pr0n actor, I would assume his personal stuff WAS "closely scrutinized", just not by the school board or the principal (unless the latter was also a priest.)

😛

[?]

My favorite DILF is Zhann Lo?k Get-Hard.

[Sean Healy]

This is like when Irish teachers get fired for having babies out of wedlock or living with their unmarried partners or just being gay. That's because Catholicism is the official doctrine of 95% of Ireland's schools. What's the official doctrine in Massachusetts?

[sarcasmic]

Wasn't there a Church of Massachusetts at one time?

[Tim]

Something about witch burning...

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

Yeah, and they were the asshats that burned witches.

[Radioactive]

not to mention the odd brit soldier...

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

I never said they didn't have a good idea every once in a while.

[Seamus]

No they didn't. They hanged them. (Witches were hanged in Scotland, though.)

[Seamus]

No they didn't. They hanged them. (Witches were hanged in Scotland, though.)

[Tonio]

Massachussetts Bay Colony was founded by Puritans. It was pretty much all Puritans. So, yes.

[Abdul]

"Puritans all the Way Down" is Hytch Cawke's latest film.

[Ted S.]

Socialism.

[Fist of Etiquette]

But Hogan wasn't so talkative when FOX Undercover's camera was on him.

An example of why I don't watch local news.

[Tim]

Face it, with a record like this, he'll never make "Head Coach".

[It's all Sandusky's fault]

This was ONLY brought up because of the Penn State thing.

[Greg]

I hope there's a prominent journalist in the Boston area who will trudge up the private life of that little shit of a news reporter.

"Can Mike Beaudet be trusted to report on news when he owns 2 Fleslights and regularly surfs Internet porn at work? Tune into ABC 6 at 10 for more."

[Jeff]

+1

Disgusting

[Ginger Zee]

Most TV reporters use fake names. Right there that means they can't be trusted.

[Ted S.]

I remember the first time I tuned into MSNBC and saw Chris Jansing, and being surprised because I recognized her under her original name (Chris Kapostasy, which she used when she worked at the NBC affiliate in Albany NY). Presumably, the suits at MSNBC figured nobody would be able to pronounce Kapostasy.

[Atanarjuat]

That or she got married.

[Greg]

Not surprisingly, Beaudet has been practicing trashy, accusatory, no-fact-checking 'journalism' for some time now.

http://www.archives2005.ghazal.....eader.html

http://www.metrowestdailynews......x101053017

[But]

something Fox 25 should have asked before ruining this guy's life

Wait a minute. I thought libertarians hated teachers. Wouldn't his suspension (and presumed eventual dismissal) actually be a benefit instead of a ruination?

[BakedPenguin]

Yeah, if he was teaching gamboling.

[sarcasmic]

That's right.
And the fact that libertarians don't want the government to grow food is proof that we are opposed to people eating.
Holy shit you're stupid.

[Bones]

This does nothing to take down the public school system or reform anything. Is his union silent on this? I have a big beef with unions that protect awful teachers, abusive teachers, teachers that make it worse for kids, unions that strong arm taxpayers. But I bet they won't defend this guy because he used to have a legal job people find distasteful.

[dunphy]

i will bet you IF it comes down to the "morality" issue, and not the lying issue, that the union WILL defend him.

[Nipplemancer]

This is as bad as the parents who freaked out over the porn star who read books to their kids.
I do wonder though, what tipped this reporter off to the story in the first place? Did an angry student or rival teacher with a habit of watching gay porn stumbles across one of these films? Did the reporter go through thousands of porn vids hoping to spot a teacher?

[Hugh Akston]

It's called "research."

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

Most likely, he recognized the guy's face on the box while in the checkout line at XXX Video.

[John]

Or maybe he was a fan of gay sex videos.

[Colin]

I wonder what would've happened if he were just making straight porn.

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

Probably the same. Prigs are prigs.

[Some dude]

It should.

[whit]

the primary issue is not the porn thang. it's the being dishonest during the background investigation.

at least in my agency, if they find out you were dishonest during background, it is an automatic firing. period. full stop

one of our officers, who had about 5 yrs on got fired for that. no appeal. do not pass go.

[Clich? Bandit]

Omitting and lying are two different things. If they asked "Did you list ALL of your previous jobs?" then that is lying...if they took a truncated resume and he never represented it as whole then they are douches.

[dunphy]

no school district takes JUST a truncated resume without ALSO having the applicant fill out a detailed employment/criminal history.

there is zero doubt about this.

if they said something like "list all employment in the last 15 years" and he purposefully omitted the porn stuff, he LIED on the application and that's a legitimate reason to fire him

imo, he should have been able to have been a porn star and hired as a teacher as long as it woulnd't substantially disrupt his abilities to teach.

[Seamus]

Was this really employment? I'm guessing he was an independent contractor rather than an employee. Or are you required to list every time you shoveled the snow off a neighbor's driveway for $10?

[dunphy]

i would assume teacher's backgrounds are VERY in depth. cop ones certainly are. i would have had to have listed it.

it matters what the specific questions were. did it reference "full time employment" or what were the qualifications

teachers act in an in loco parentis role.

they get fingerprinted (unlike many jobs) and are subject to much more extensive background checks than most jobs.

most jobs can't ask about arrests, for example, only covnictions.

police employ asks about both... and more. i would assume teacher's jobs are similar

[Poet Laureate sloopyinca]

i would assume teacher's backgrounds are VERY in depth.

And you are offering...what...to support this statement?

[dunphy]

well, here's some of what PA requires. that's far more in depth than most jobs...

ACT 34 Clearance (PA State Police Criminal Background Check)
Each applicant must submit with his/her employment application a copy of a Criminal History Record from the Pennsylvania State Police. Prospective employees must submit ORIGINAL report, which may not be more than one (1) year old.

*************************************************
ACT 114 (Federal Criminal History Record)
Each applicant must submit with his/her employment application a copy of a Federal Criminal Record from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Prospective employees must submit ORIGINAL report, which may not be more than one (1) year old.

***********************************************
ACT 151 Clearance (PA Child Abuse History Clearance)
Each candidate must submit with his/her employment application a copy of an official clearance from the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare. Prospective employees must submit ORIGINAL report, which may not be more than one (1) year old.

**************************************************
ESSAY
Please write an essay as described on page six. For your convenience, you may attach a sheet; however, your essay may not exceed one page. At the bottom of the attachment, please print and sign your name.

or this, a site for applicants ...

A teacher background check is a procedure that provides educational institutions more information about an applicant or prospective teacher. The information gathered through the investigation includes criminal records, driving records, past employment records, civil records, educational certification, health and medical records, current and previous addresses, credit history, court records, criminal records, and bankruptcies, among others.

Teaching may be one of the few professions where experience and professional history are as closely scrutinized as personal history. An educational institution carries out a teacher background check as part of its pre-screening process to guarantee the safety of the students. This procedure is legally mandated in the 50 states of the USA. Individual persons such as parents can also hire agencies to do background checks.

For a new teacher, or one in a new district, the application process includes several elements that enable a complete teacher background check. Drug and alcohol tests are not uncommon, for example. Calling references provided and checking on previous work experience is also something that will be done as part of a teacher background check. Especially in public school districts in the United States, fingerprints are usually taken and submitted to a national organization, like the FBI, for checking.

etc.

[MP]

Criminal background checks have absolutely nothing to do with job history.

Unless a job application explicitly states that an exact accounting of job history is mandatory (including the six months you worked as a paperboy when you were 12), there is no reason that the exclusion of something is considered lying. From a general employer perspective, job history is a picture of qualifications. I don't give a shit if you worked as a paperboy, a burger flipper, or a porn star. And I don't want to see that crap on your application. Only an idiot would put it there.

[dunphy]

i agree. and of course NONE of us have seen his job application, so it's all speculation

i can tell you this

in MY job, we had to list EVERY job. period. if you didn't - that's a cause for dismissal, even years later

many other jobs do NOT require that

teacher applications are more in depth than the average job, but less so than a cop (they don't usually have to take polygraphs, multiple psych exams, and the background and credit checks aren't as extensive)...

so, THAT is the issue

imo, the 'moral' issue is irrelevant. it's none of the fucking school districts' business

[I'm not a doctor, but...]

The ONLY reason they ask for that is BECAUSE it's a police job and ANY reason they need to fire someone who MIGHT cause them embarrassment/ liability down the road is valuable.

Obviously porn films are archived and can be used against someone. Even so, if the guy put down, "Actor, Cleveland Steamer Films, Inc." he wouldn't be lying. Why should an acting role be used against someone? Is Anthony Hopkins a prospective cannibal because he played on in the movies?

If exemplary police officers were fired because of omission of an embarrassing job then the entire PD is full of shit.

[capitol l]

I was thinking something similar.

From the time I was 15 I worked construction on/off for about 10 years. Sometimes I was a sub-contractor, but mostly I just worked under other sub-contractors. The very nature of the business meant that I probably worked at least 100 different jobs under 50 different employers.

How the hell would I relate that information, in detail, to a prospective employer? On my resume or an application I just write: Construction various, or something similar, with the years included. So maybe he should of put: actor year-year.

If they do tell you that lying, even if by omission, on a work history is fireable offense then there's not much the guy can do.

[Dagny T.]

I'm not a fan of their decision, but if there was something in their code of conduct that prohibited "lewd" conduct or whatever the phrasing would be, would that change things? If I did porn, I would assume I'd be fired from my current (private company) job and I'm sure they could come up with a reason somewhere in our code of conduct (making the company look bad to clients, acts discreditable to the profession, etc). Public schools have wordy HR policies too, right?

[John]

But he did it before he was hired and subject to the code.

[dunphy]

and he LIED by not mentioning it in his application

it's NOT private activity. he was paid for it. it's part of his employment history. the school can legitimately ask about employment history AND legitimately fire somebody who lied about it

that's the case in my job (and we have fired people for exactly that), and his job as well

personally, i think a cop or teacher should be allowed to do porn. but that's not the issue . the issue is dishonesty in application process

[John]

Fair enough. But I think it is stupid to fire him for it.

[dunphy]

whether they can do it, or whether it's good policy are entirely tangential issues, i would agree

[Zeb]

Ah, that's the part I was missing. Is it common to be required to supply complete work history? I thought you'd just put down the stuff that makes you look best.

As you may be able to tell, I have been fortunate enough in life to be hired for just about every job I have had by someone I know personally, so I've never really had to fill out a job application since college.

[dunphy]

if teacher apps are ANYTHING like cop apps, and as trusted public employees who are given in loco parentis authority under the law - i am certain they are given in depth applications.

a teacher app would be much more involved in that respect than many other public employee apps

it varies from agency to agency, but i had to list every place i had lived since college, every roommate or housemate i had (or at least remembered), every job i had and yes part time counted, give very detailed financial disclosures, take a polygraph, three different psychological tests, etc. etc.

i am confident teacher apps aren't AS detailed, but i am certain, considering the position of trust and authority they hold (under WA law, that includes physical discipline even though school distrcits have policy against it, it IS legal for them to physically discipline their students), that their apps and backgrounds are more in depth than you would suspect

[Dagny T.]

Oh, good point. OK, objection withdrawn.

[Abdul]

Dagny T.,

You're on the money here. Most states have "moral turpitutde" clauses in teacher contracts.

Putting asider the questions of whether they should or shouldn't, and whether a "DILF-Fucker" should be considered art or moral turpitutde, the school has legal grounds to fire him.

[P Brooks]

The headline on a story posted this morning asks, "Are private lives of teachers truly private?"

I presume the answer was a vindictively gleeful "NO!"

[dunphy]

employment history is not PRIVATE. that's why employers can require employment history on an application

they can't require sexual history, which IS private

when you perform sexually for money, it ceases to be PRIVATE. it is part of your employment history.

and if he purposefully did not mention it on his background/employment packet, he can be punished.

i am held to the same standard

[BoscoH]

No way you've ever been paid for sex.

[dunphy]

troll-o-meter: ... not bad!

[_]

The story also noted that Hogan had "flawless references."

...from Bwarny Fwank, I'm sure.

[Old Mexican]

this quote from a spokesman for the state Department of Elementary and Secondary Education[:] "We expect teachers to hold a very high moral standard.["]

"... and only commit improprieties when they're on Union time, not before."

[dunphy]

i think the moral standard argument is bullshit.

it's an entirely legal performance activity.

teacher's districts can rule on morality vis a vis stealing, etc. but not (imo) perfectly legal sex acts, whether performed for money or not

imnsho

i would defend the right of a teacher (or cop ) to be a porn actor.

or stripper

[rather]

Does the male-on-male porn = or ? sexuality? I suspect there are equivalent female lesbian porn stars participating for the money; I don't think the act determines the sexuality but I wonder if that's what is behind the witch hunt: fear of catching teh gay

[kbolino]

A man doing male-on-male porn need not be gay any more than a prostitute need be a nymphomaniac. To both, it's just work.

[Charlie]

Is it? For women, I can believe that. For men? As a hetero male I'd rather be a night soil man than be in gay porn. So I have a harder time believing it.

[plutosdad]

For enough money, and a female fluffer, you might change your mind.

[Tonio]

So what's with the "whit" handle, dunphy?

Let's see, what other roundly despised H&R commenter has a handle beginning with "whit"????

[dunphy]

i've mentioned several times i post at volokh.com as whit.

[rather]

dunphy|8.5.11 @ 3:26PM|#
and for the record (as somebody who has long claimed (at volokh.com amongst other places) that the cyberstalking law is unconstitutional...

here's a pop quiz: who is responsible for such exceptionally bad law as this?

answer: THE (liberal nannystate) LEGISLATURE.

feel free to search at volokh.com. my name is "whit". i have commented extensively on the stupidity and dangerousness as well as unconstitutionality of this law.

it was not a matter of WHETHER shit like this would happen. it was a matter of WHEN.

laws give power to the state. stupid unconstitutional laws give WAY too much power to the state. this is a perfect example

[rather]

Dunphy, you have to prove everything around here or John starts posting that you are ______fill in the blank

[Tim]

I'll bet the right lawyer can get him off.

[grrizzly]

Yesterday, one commenter here, I believe it was Abdul, claimed that he didn't want this teacher to teach his kids BUT still condemned the behavior of the FOX station. I happen to disagree. If Abdul didn't want his kids to be taught by a former porn actor, and Abdul somehow found out that his kids' school teacher did porn in the past, then it would be irresponsible for Abdul not to warn his friends and neighbors about this issue. You think it's alright to transfer your kids to a different school while letting all other innocent kids in the area to be educated by a porn actor? So, I don't get it when folks like Abdul blame the TV station, the teacher faces negative repercussions because the good people of Massachusetts are pretty much like Abdul. Abduls are the problem, not the media.

[Tonio]

It was Abdul (still an assdouche)?

[Tonio]

"." not "?"

[Abdul]

wow, what a coincidence that we were all late to this.

Also a coincidence: you and tonio missing the fucking point. If you want former porn stars teaching your kids, good for you. Enroll them in Bukkake Academy for all I care.

My preference--teachers without a porno past.

That's why libertarians like school choice.

[Just Stepping In Here]

You can't have it both ways. You don't want a former porn star teaching your kids, so you want to know if teachers are former porn stars. You're the demand making the reporter's supply valuable.

You think parents should be able to send their kids to schools of their choice, but you don't want them to have all the information needed to make that choice.

[half whit]

Exactly. Why shouldn't I get to see the job application of every teacher in the public school? Why should I jut the judgment of a school administrator? What if I don't like the fact that a teacher was a butcher years ago?

[Invisible Finger]

Then homeschool your kids, asshole.

[Abdul]

I do homeschool my kids! Best of luck to you and our social studies teacher, Jeff Stryker.

[Abdul]

Andrew Friedrich?? I brought this up in the morning links yesterday and I even worked in some crude dick jokes. http://reason.com/blog/2011/12.....nt_2664279

[Tonio]

Oh, and the ironic thing is that had he simply made an amateur (unpaid) porn tape that eventually got posted to the 'net, he'd be better off.

[Clich? Bandit]

DAMNIT! I was tricked into doing something I said I wouldnt do. Sloop does that make me a hypocrit of not? Does intent matter here?

[Meme]

If sloop were here, I believe he would say it makes you a cunt.

[plutosdad]

I don't think it matters if it's gay or straight, if you remember a couple weeks ago how people flew off the handle when Sasha Grey dared to READ STORIES to kids!

[heller]

To be fair, any errant saliva spray from Sasha could probably impregnate the children.

[marc]

Talk about hypocrisy! This story is coming from Fox News of all places. A few years ago the Fox News Channel hired a conservative active after he had been outed as a gay porn star. He also just happened to be one of NYC's most popular gay prostitutes and even admitted working as a prostitute during an interview with Alan Colmes. I guess Fox holds teachers to a higher ethical standard than their own reporters.

[Mr. Mark]

Depends...does he know anything about football?