Marijuana

Two Decades of Peace, Love, and Marijuana

Every August since 1991, Seattle Hempfest has shown what the world will be like when pot is legal.

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It takes a while to figure out what's so different about the crowd of 100,000-plus people basking in the rare Seattle sunshine at Hempfest 2011, which took place August 19 to 21. It's not the smell of pot everywhere, or the vendors selling bongs and pipes and high-carb munchies, or the familiar leaf imagery slapped on everything from lighters to bandanas to T-shirts, or the uncoordinated hippies playing hacky sack. If you remember the '70s, or ever went to a Grateful Dead concert, or have visited Amsterdam, you've been there, grokked that.

But then two things come into focus at the twin Myrtle Edwards and Centennial parks, bound by the indescribable Puget Sound on one side and grim railroad tracks on the other. The first is that no one is arguing, despite the dense crowds, slow-paced walking, scantily clad young folks, and loud bands. It turns out that a massive gathering where open pot use is tolerated (even celebrated) but booze is banned doesn't have to be filled with fights and scream fests; this isn't Dodger Stadium, or Saturday night in Collegetown, USA. The only attendees having a rough time are those who failed to heed Hempfest Executive Director Vivian McPeak's frequent fatherly warnings from the main stage to be respectful while speakers are talking and to always be hydrating. Sunstroke and necking are the only overindulgences on regular display. Whether it's the early morning or the late afternoon, the vibe is more mellow than anything Olivia Newton-John sang.

The second unusual sight is one that should give medical-marijuana skeptics pause: scores of people with visible physical handicaps integrated seamlessly, without special comment, into a subculture that has recognized their pain and need for relief as being worthy of individual dignity and choice. There are more wheelchairs, crutches, and missing limbs than at Lourdes or Fatima. You would certainly never see this many cripples at Lollapalooza, an annual musical event whose attendees pride themselves on their tolerance, or at the National Mall on Independence Day. The medicine that has salved these people's conditions has also provided them with a tolerant community in which they are in every sense equals.

No Booze, No Narcs

This is Seattle Hempfest, the largest annual pro-pot event on the planet. Since its inauguration in 1991, tens of thousands of people from all over the country and the world have been coming each August to hang out, listen to speakers (including both of us this year), catch a few bands, and scope out acres of booths hawking everything from black-light posters to cannabis-themed sex aids to the Libertarian Party. By an all-too-rare yet inspired treaty, the organizers of Hempfest keep the place clean of garbage, booze, and obvious drug sales while the Seattle police and (one presumes) narcs of all stripes turn a blind eye to the open use of pot by one and all. If Seattle Hempfest is a vision of what the world will look like when dope is legal, that world will be peaceful and polite.

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We came to Hempfest to give several five-minute mini-speeches over the course of the weekend, drawing on themes from our new book, The Declaration of Independents, where we argue that the drug legalization movement needs to push past political tribalism. When the drug war ends, we write, it will be because activists and citizens have routed around Democrats and Republicans, who are far too satisfied with, entrenched in, or just scared of upsetting the status quo. During Hempfest, dozens of speakers take to the stages, talking up everything from industrial hemp to sentencing reform to the need for single-payer health care (as with all such gatherings, it's impossible to keep folks on message). 

The Most Misunderstood Plant  On Earth

Since the federal government banned the plant in the 1930s, marijuana prohibition has been one of the country's deadliest and most senseless government policies. The war on drugs is essentially a war on pot, the only illegal drug that more than 1 percent of the population uses on a regular basis. Even its adversaries will grant that pot doesn't make its users violent or dangerous, although its illegal status brings on all the horrors of a black market. As we move oh-so-slowly yet inexorably toward legalization—the last three presidents of the United States are real winners who did drugs; support for selling and taxing the stuff like beer and wine has never been higher—this event (along with dozens of smaller versions all around the country) deserves special thanks for helping to make that liberation possible.

"The presence that we have here today," Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) told the crowd from the main stage, "empowers us. It strengthens us. We must become visible en masse if we're going to bring about the change that we want in the society." (See the sidebars for interviews with Kucinich, travel journalist Rick Steves, and drug policy activist Dale Gieringer.)

The first Hempfest, which invited attendees to "discover the truth about the most misunderstood plant on Earth," took place in Seattle's Volunteer Park on August 17, 1991. No state legally recognized medical marijuana back then, there was no World Wide Web, and it was a month before a little-known Seattle punk band called Nirvana released a single called "Smells Like Teen Spirit." Organizers say just 500 brave souls attended that first gathering.

Twenty years later, we are living on a different planet. The single day of music and talk has spilled over into three, with hundreds of thousands—including mainstream politicians and cops—thronging the Emerald City's showcase parks. Internet culture and commerce, much of it spurred by nearby Microsoft and Amazon.com, have upended modern American life, making it easier than ever to find like-minded fellow travelers and organize around single-issue political topics. Nirvana and the Seattle-centered grunge movement are the subjects of respectful exhibitions at the Frank Gehry–designed Experience Music Project museum near the Space Needle.

California became the first state to legalize medical marijuana in 1996. Now medical marijuana is legal in 16 states and the District of Columbia (residents overwhelmingly approved the D.C. measure in 1998, but Congress blocked its implementation until this year). Reformers are beginning a push for full legalization. Last year a California ballot initiative that would have legalized and regulated pot in a manner similar to alcohol pulled 46.5 percent of the vote. At Hempfest, away from the music stages, art-bong booths, and ubiquitous marijuana prescription peddlers, there was much serious talk in the "Hemposium" tent about Washington state's Initiative 502. This proposition, endorsed by PBS travel show host and Hempfest regular Rick Steves, probably will be on the November 2012 ballot. The state's Democratic Party backs the initiative, and polling in September showed voters evenly split on legalization, 46 percent for and 46 percent against (the rest are undecided).

Some of the biggest concerns about Initiative 502 are coming from drug policy activists and participants in the medical marijuana industry, who are concerned about (among other things) the proposition's provisions regarding driving under the influence of marijuana. Embedded in some of those complaints are the tensions and growing pains of a subculture going mainstream and a black market becoming legit.

Paranoia and Political Babble

It wouldn't be a mass gathering of stoners without some paranoia and political babble scattered amid the celebrations. One of our first conversations backstage was with a man who, after learning that reason has been fighting against the drug war for more than four decades, averred that prohibition was "the least of our problems" and proceeded to inform us how various gas and oil pipeline experiments in Alaska were threatening to cause a cataclysmic event in October along the New Madrid fault line in the middle of the country, potentially submerging tens of millions of people under God knows what. After that deliberate act of ultra-violence, there might not be any country left to save. "It will be even worse than the spill in the Gulf of Mexico," he said. And yes, that "accident" was part of a much bigger plan.

By and large, the politics of Hempfest speakers was much less nuts, although not much more inspired. The common perception was that when it comes to pot and drugs more generally, Republicans are pure evil and Democrats are reformers. At times, there seemed to be a general ignorance of just who is currently serving as the top law enforcement official in the country, as when one speaker warned that if you thought George W. Bush was bad, "just wait till you get a load of President Rick Perry." Strangely, the speaker ignored Barack Obama, whose administration has overseen more-frequent raids on medical marijuana dispensaries than Bush's. The bustling commerce on display at the hundreds of stalls came larded with generous helpings of anti-corporate animus, including a "Just Say No to Imports" sign atop a booth selling "Northwest Glass." There was much more love in evidence for Dennis Kucinich than for Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), co-sponsor of a bill that would lift the federal ban on marijuana. Kucinich himself bookended his inspiring rap about becoming visible with angry non sequiturs about campaign finance reform. There is plenty of libertarianism within drug policy circles, but it is far from a libertarian movement.

But at its core, Hempfest is not about enacting policy reform or even changing the political process. Rather, its meaning and power are as a proof of concept. Here is what an America filled with open rather than closeted pot smokers might look like: a peaceful commons in which people get along despite disagreeing on all sorts of topics, a world in which folks look out for each other even as they have a good time. Hempfest and related festivals are stirring reminders that millions of Americans smoke pot and manage just fine. Judging from the government's own survey data (which are based on self-reports and therefore probably understate the prevalence of drug use), more than half of adult Americans born after World War II have tried pot. The government estimates about 23 million people use it monthly, willing to live illegally rather than obey unjust laws. By becoming increasingly visible and outspoken, marijuana activists have pushed repeal much further than the most baked reformer would have thought possible in 1991. And they've done so largely by avoiding politicians and the two-party system, taking their message directly to voters. Along the way, they have provided a blueprint for any bloc of citizens who understand, at some deep and personal level, that the two major parties in this country are worse than useless when it comes to many essential questions of freedom.

Nick Gillespie and Matt Welch are co-authors of The Declaration of Independents: How Libertarian Politics Can Fix What's Wrong With America (Public Affairs).

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  1. Officer, am I free to gambol about plain and forest while I toke?

    1. Are you the sort of guy that gambols onto people’s PRIVATE property, fuck all the women in the family in every orifice violently, set the house on fire? and keep on gamboling with all the free shit and fun you just acquired?

      Because that’s primitivistic barbarism for you.

      1. Holy shit — proof-reading, how the hell does it work?

      2. No, Res, that’s your dishonest caricature of Non-State sociopolitical typology.

        Weird how a place like Reason needs to rely on easily refutable falsehoods.

        1. …Sly, but still implying that the name of the magazine is a contradiction.

          Drink!

    2. The best way to usher in a new age of anarcho-primitivism sans property rights is to obsessively repost ten-to-fourteen slogans variously combined in the comments section of a blog run by a relatively uninfluential political organization.

      1. Illegitimate privation property rights require the aggression of the city-State to conquer and enforce.

        Humans have honored property rights for tens of thousands of years, without any professional violence class (police/military) to enforce upon society.

        Should you perhaps study some anthropology and ethnology instead of making false statements?

        1. +1 poetry

  2. Why do you think they call it dope?

    1. Because ‘Jaunita’ was already taken?

      1. Why do you thjink they call you dope?

    2. They don’t call it dope. Dope is heroin.

      1. Fuck that. I grow the best dope around, a lot better than that shitty mall dope.

        1. You grow poppies?

          The only people I know who call cannabis “dope” are squares and drug warriors.

          1. So you don’t get Trailer Park Boys references, I see.

            “Well Rick, looks like you fucked your shit goose this time, doesn’t it?”

            1. I can confirm that older Canadians especially call weed dope. But it does sound dorky, like something your parents would say because that’s what they called it in the 60’s-70’s. (Love ya, mum & dad!)

              1. Bone Thugs N Harmony refer to it as dope. You can’t doubt their “street cred” can you? Of course, they are from Cleveland…

                1. EDG, thanks for the 90’s R&B flashback. The only song I had on repeat more than “Tha Crossroads” was “No Diggity”. Although, as far a street cred goes, I think being from Cleveland is less damaging than having a fan base of white, Canadian elementary school girls.

                  1. No Diggity! When my wife and I got married, she brought her Blackstreet CD’s to the collection. There they sit, next to my Black Flag CD’s. Ah, love!

              2. i’d say it sounds dopey!

          2. Someone told me it is perfectly legal to grow opium poppies as long as you don’t know what they are.

            1. Don’t know what what are? Them flowers?

              1. Supposedly it is not that uncommon for opium poppy seeds to be mixed in the bag of decorative poppy seeds. So someone growing poppies in their flower bed may have opium poppies there and not know it.
                As long as they don’t know what they are then it is perfectly legal to grow them.

                1. Bullshit. Opium poppies are schedule 2 fed, no exceptions for ignorance.

                  1. no exceptions for ignorance.

                    Even if they sprouted from a pouch of seeds you purchased at the Ace Hardware down the street?

                    I don’t know if it is true or not, which is why my first comment started with “Someone told me” and the second with “Supposedly”.

                    Now if it is indeed true that opium poppy seeds could be accidentally purchased legally, it doesn’t make a heck of a lot of sense to punish someone for growing plants from legally purchased seeds.
                    If it is not the case that opium poppy seeds could accidentally be purchased legally, then I guess it’s a moot point.

                    1. …it doesn’t make a heck of a lot of sense to punish someone…

                      That’s the weakness in your argument right there. When the hell has “making sense” ever been a factor or consideration in how and for what reasons people are punished?

                    2. When the hell has “making sense” ever been a factor or consideration in how and for what reasons people are punished?

                      Good point.

                    3. Poppy seeds. When you have something produced to this extent, some contamination is inevitable.

                    4. “Now if it is indeed true that opium poppy seeds could be accidentally purchased legally, it doesn’t make a heck of a lot of sense to punish someone for growing plants from legally purchased seeds.”

                      Sudafed likes this.

                    5. We had heroin poppies start growing in the front of our house. I had no idea what they were. They were pretty, and the biggest poppies I’d ever seen.

                      Our asshole neighbor complained about our boat, so we were visited by a nice officer.
                      He kept asking about the flowers in my front flower box. I told him they just showed up, and were kind of a pain since they crowded out all the flowers I’d planted….but weren’t they pretty? He asked several times where they came from. I told him to look around…..they were all over our front yard. They must have blown up there from someone’s garden. He was more interested in the pretty flowers than the stupid boat.

                      I told my husband about it when he got home. He told me they were opium poppies. I had no idea. We had never planted them, but hubby knew what they were and I didn’t.

                      Guess ignorance really is bliss!

                    6. Also, if we were clearly cultivating the opium, there would have been hell to pay.

                      Apparently, you need to score the seed pods while the poppy is still on the stalk. Some black “tar” starts growing out of the scorings.
                      True story…I’ve seen someone else try that! Hahaha!

                2. Someone posted here about a friend of theirs who took a 5 lb. carton of culinary poppy seeds and broadcast them in a field near his house. A few months later, the field was full of blue flowers.
                  “What’s wrong officer? I was just picking some flowers for my wife.”

                  1. Maybe that was me, maybe it wasn’t.. I don’t remember.. anyway, long ago, long past the statute of limitations, in a country far, far away, I took a big jar of ‘Delish’ brand seeds that we we’re using and dumped it in the backyard(I like to recycle.. did the same thing with old oregano). The next spring I started fighting a whole new weed species that took over my backyard. After a week of pulling weeds it dawned on me – they were poppy sprouts. I verified it online and let them grow. In a few months, I had man-sized(5’+), multi-headed, 5″ purple and white poppies. I believe they were ‘persian blue’ – not the biggest yielder, but definitely an opium poppy.

                    I definitely did not scrape and collect a few pea-sized balls of opium. I sure as hell didn’t try mixing them with baby aspirin and under no circumstances did my friends and I ‘chase the dragon’ with the results.

                    All I can say, based only on what I’ve been told by nameless transients, is that the buzz is fine, but, really, you’re better off getting some good weed. An opium buzz.. is like being stoned, but without being ‘high’… sleepy.. dopey… itchy… like a wet blanket on your mind. Not for me, thx.

                    Also, I’ve heard having pea sized balls of opium is a good way to find out which of your friends have had drug problems, and it’s pretty damn sad to see the effect it has on people. But I can’t speak from experience.

                    As to the legality… You can buy opium poppy seeds in any garden store. They may not be ‘persian white’ or whatever high yielding strain they grow in Afghanistan, but they’re still ‘papaver somniferum’ and they still make morphine, codeine, etc. Once you put them in the ground, you enter a legal gray area. I believe it is illegal but no one will care unless you have large quantities or if you’ve attempted to harvest the latex. Doing so is a lot of work but people do it. I believe the recent cop-killer case in Mendocino occurred when the local sheriff stumbled upon some guy’s poppy grow.

                3. I educated lots of people last summer. I guess I made them criminals, but they weren’t really too unhappy about it.

            2. law varies state to state… much like everything else

              1. SHUT UP FASCIST FUCK DUMPHY YOUR BRUTALITY IS NOT JUST A MEME!!!11!

                  1. What does that even mean?

              2. I live being a mall cop!

          3. Marijuana is Dope, Heroin is Smack. At least that’s the common parlance in my neck of the woods.

            1. Well where I come from, it’s corn bread and chicken.

              1. You come from the Red Sox clubhouse?

              2. Or cornhole the chicken.

            2. i’ve never heard ANYBODY use the term smack except in teevee or movies.

              and i’ve dealt with heroin/heroin users hundreds of times. heck, went to an overdose yesterday (yay! narcan!)

              1. I guess if you haven’t seen it it must not happen, right? 😉

                1. considering the # of druggies i deal with (and remember i worked undercover a long time and hung out with them every day), and the fact that NONE of them have ever used to term “smack” around me, i can say authoritatively !! 🙂 that , at least around these parts, that word is rarely uttered by heroin users.

                  maybe they use it in NYC etc. but not around here

                  1. I dunno dunphy, I recall you once said you stayed away from vice and had only had tangential involvement with the drug war.

                    As Rizzo the Rat would say, something sounds unkosher.

                    1. no, i have said about a dozen times, that i worked a longterm deep undercover assignment many years back

                      that experience is part of the reason i am so pro drug legalization

                    2. oh also, you can’t help but come into contact with heroin users. because those fuckers have been overdosing like it’s going out of style recently

          4. “Squares”?

            Wow, that’s like, far out, man. Groovy.

            1. I thought a “square” was what a black guy asks you for if he sees you smoking a cigarette.

  3. willing to live illegally rather than obey unjust laws

    The purpose of unjust laws is to separate those who would reject morality in favor of power, and those who reject legislation in favor of morality.

  4. I had to drive to Ballard from Belltown during Hempfest. It was…an unpleasant drive, to say the least.

    1. I bet you wished you had an old Caddy with sharpened horns on the front, didn’t you? DIE HIPPIE DIE

      1. I fully support drug legalization. I also fully hate retarded stoners who cannot cross the street without being retarded.

        1. It’s the third goddamn lesson, right after wiping your ass and tying your shoes. Get with the program people.

        2. The slow walking, meandering, randomly (and, again, it cannot be overstated: slowly) jaywalking at the precisely wrong time, being annoying as fuck in general… Hempfest is the best reason for legalization in that once weed is legal we will no longer need such an obnoxious festival overrun with trashy suburban teenagers who are all OMG POT!!!!!11! and they can just smoke up in Renton where they belong. Lawn, get off, etc.

          1. …they can just smoke up in Renton where they belong

            “Go back to King County!”

            1. But they’re already in White Center!

            2. Brooklyn?

              1. That is Kings County. Big difference, dude.

                1. yup. are these almost live references?

                  1. Reference? Not sure, since it’s been 15 years since I last saw it. That’s where I learned about Kent & King County, though.

        3. A friend of mine, who may or may not have been under the influence of various natural and man-made chemicals once crossed the street (legally, but the wrong direction) and then darted back. His only comment as we proceeded to meander down to the the outdoor hippie-fest we were en route to was, “hey, I’m ‘that guy’ — you know as in ‘look at that guy’.” I believe that was the same event at which we ducked back into a wooded area for no particular reason and another friend who was, I believe the clinical term is ‘tripping balls’, picked up a disguarded penis pump that he mistook for a keg tap until he saw everyone else’s look of horror. That was a fucking train-wreck of a day that somehow ended without arrest, injury or permanent insanity.

      2. The hippie the?

        1. Apparently Germans invented hippies.

          In fin de si?cle Europe, from 1896?1908, a German youth movement known as Der Wandervogel began to grow as a countercultural reaction to the organized social and cultural clubs that centered around German folk music. In contrast to these formal clubs, Wandervogel emphasized amateur music and singing, creative dress, and communal outings involving hiking and camping.[3] Inspired by the works of Friedrich Nietzsche, Goethe, Hermann Hesse, and Eduard Baltzer, Wandervogel attracted thousands of young Germans who rejected the rapid trend toward urbanization and yearned for the pagan, back-to-nature spiritual life of their ancestors.[4]

          1. Hippies are still proto-fascists. It all makes sense.

    2. Did you have the windows down? I would have.

  5. Spirit of ’76
    http://www.americanrevolution.org/spiritlg.gif

    Problem, Tories?

    Shower and get a job! ~King George III

    LOL

    1. They had jobs dipshit. And their bitch was excessive taxation not the lack of large enough handouts.

      1. I think the #OWS patriots are against handouts to politicians.

        For example, Koch Industries has spent more than $50 million to lobby in Washington since 2006.

        1. And George Soros has spent how much? I am sure you will get right on figuring that out. And how many millions do the Unions spend?

          Son I am really sorry but you are stupid. No amount of trolling on here is ever going to convince anyone of anything other than the fact that yeah the Occutards really are this stupid.

          1. Don’t be to harsh on the occutards, John. It takes a lot of effort to be that stupid.

            1. But it’s no effort to tell bald-faced lies, KOCHsucker.

              1. +1 Restoras

              2. Just call them lies. Don’t make an arguement or even attempt to make sense. I think running around yelling kocksucker actually passes for thought in some circles. But it doesn’t here.

                1. “running around yelling kocksucker actually passes for thought in some circles.”

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN5cCiXt6IM

          2. How is Soros behind #OWS?

            “…it looks very much as though there’s no connection at all between Soros and OWS. That makes sense: for one thing, Soros is a creature of Wall Street himself, and for another, he tends to fund well-organized groups with specific goals. Which, clearly, OWS isn’t.

            “Which is why today’s Reuters story about the connection between Soros and OWS has elicited so much derision around the blogosphere. Beyond allowing us to shoehorn the #ows and #soros hashtags into a single tweet, there’s no real substance to it at all…”

            http://blogs.reuters.com/felix…..d-reuters/

            1. +1 John

            2. I didn’t say Soros was behind OWS. I sais that he gives millions to politicians and a lot more than the Kochs. Yet, the OWS don’t seem to bothered by that.

              Logic, reason, reading comprehension, how do they work?

                  1. Our scorekeeper is tallying the Epis and Johns as we close in on the half.

                  2. Episiarch: FAIL.

              1. These things are incomprehensible to the occutard crowd, along with things like personal responsibility. Mumsy and poppop have gotten very lazy with bringing up their upper-middle class, trophy-for-showing-up, entitled-to-everything twits.

                I almost feel a little bad for them – reality can be very harsh even when you are prepared for it. The occutards lack any ability, skill, or work ethic to deal with life and its going to suck having to learn it in your late 20’s and early 30’s.

                1. And they are entering a hard world. Because I gaurentee you the little brats growing up in China and India are willing to work. Reality is a harsh mistress.

                  1. Don’t bet on it. The little brats in China are turning into fat little couch potatoes.

        2. Who cares how much they spent on lobbying? It’s what they lobbied for that’s relevant.

    2. You are aware, I hope, that rather than the dregs of society, the American Revolution was largely a product of the upper middle class. Alexander Hamilton was, without a doubt, the country’s richest man. George Washington was not exactly far behind. I could easily go on.

      1. I just want some libertard shitbird KOCHsucker like you to walk up to Ray Lewis and call him the the dregs of society.

        Thursday, Nov 17, 2011 10:02 PM UTC
        Retired officer: Cops work for the 1 percent
        Former Philadelphia police officer Ray Lewis has some harsh words for law enforcement at OWS
        http://www.salon.com/2011/11/17/retir…..1_percent/

        1. +1 Bill

        2. I just want some libertard shitbird KOCHsucker like you

          You have really brought the level of discourse on here to a new level.

          1. “Dregs of Society” did it. Did you miss that on purpose, KOCHsucker?

            1. It is not bringing down the level of discourse when it is true. The OWS people really are the dregs of society by any reasonable definition.

              1. It’s true you’re a KOCHsucker too. Who funds Reason Foundation? hmmm?

                1. +1 again for John.

              2. The OWS people really are the dregs of society by any reasonable definition.

                I drove by the Occupy Long Beach encampment this morning, and I was thinking the same thing. There was a pop-up tent with a few signs taped to it, but the majority of the “occupiers” were the usual collection of homeless who camp out at city hall. I was thinking it would be very hard to create a popular uprising if your ranks were populated by these people. They have always seemed to enjoy their daily ritual of scoring drugs, getting high, and camping out. They don’t seem to care about the “99%”, and have absolutely zero concept of the “1%”.

                I haven’t read a lot of bio’s of OWS protesters. But is the movement attracting “mainstream” people such as UPS drivers, grocery store managers, video game designers, plumbers, electricians, real estate agents, nurses, and accountants? You know, the actual 99%? I don’t think OWS is attracting those folks. So, despite that they say they, “we are the 99%”, my gut instinct says they are in fact “the bottom 1% of the 99%”. Hence, dregs.

                1. oh no, people doing drugs and getting high, time to roll out the moral carpet and walk them down the aisle

        3. I just want some[one] … like you to walk up to Ray Lewis and call him the the dregs of society.

          Sure. I’d love to. Could you please provide some contact information for Ray Lewis?

          1. Ray Lewis, the murderer? Calling him the dregs of society is an insult to dregs.

            1. the reference is to THIS ray lewis…

              http://thinkprogress.org/speci…..ll-street/

              1. Aren’t big-city police captains more or less politicians? That’s even worse than a murdering linebacker.

        4. He’s (was) a cop, so ya — I’d say it. Unless you’re saying he’d use violence against me, and that you condone violence?

        5. Helluva linebacker. it was tough crushing the Bengals without him.

      2. but, as usual bill, the upper middle class did NOT do the fighting & dying.

        1. but, as usual bill, the upper middle class did NOT do the fighting & dying.

          Bullshit/

          1. do u seriously contend the working class did NOT bear the brunt of the fighting n dying?…like in all our wars?

            1. Do you seriously contend that no landed gentry fought and died in any of our wars?

            2. It was volunteers who did the fighting and dying. Unlike Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam.

            3. do u seriously contend the working class did NOT bear the brunt of the fighting n dying?…like in all our wars?

              But that’s the point. The American Revolutionary War wasn’t like the rest of our wars. If you look at the demographics, you’ll find that there was a broad spectrum of people fighting in the armies and militias of both sides.

              Indeed, who do you think the people that could afford to spend a year fighting, without pay, in a state militia were?

      3. Alexander Hamilton was, without a doubt, the country’s richest man.

        Hamilton? I thought it was John Hancock.

        1. I had the exact same thought. John Hancock was a fabulously wealthy merchant.

  6. I wonder if The Jacket??? got a contact high…

    1. this is probably a very old conversation topic, but it’s too frustrating, i just gotta ask.

      the jacket knows it’s no longer the eighties, right? i mean, “innocent man” was a great record but looking like billy joel doesn’t get you laid anymore..

  7. Rick Steves better not be too cocky. I’d think WA is in the finals to be the first state to repeal prohibition, but its up against at least OR and CO as well. CA seems to be getting increasingly communitarian by the year though, so I’d be surprised if it managed to pull it off. And then there could be a dark horse.

    How many people got ran over by potheads after this event? Afterall we’re always told that being high is “just as dangerous” as being drunk behind the wheel. Surely a few hundreds or thousands at least must have plowed their vw’s into hapless good citizens.

    1. we are?

      even NHTSA in their studies admits that mj smoking is not as dangerous as alcohol in terms of deleterious effects on driving. thats what they said in my dui investigator classes, and they had data to back it up.

      they also (correctly) conceded that stimulants such as cocaine can IMPROVE driving up to a certain dosage threshold (not surprising)

    2. we are?

      even NHTSA in their studies admits that mj smoking is not as dangerous as alcohol in terms of deleterious effects on driving. thats what they said in my dui investigator classes, and they had data to back it up.

      they also (correctly) conceded that stimulants such as cocaine can IMPROVE driving up to a certain dosage threshold (not surprising)

      1. Double-post? What are you, high?

        1. well, if i was, i wouldn’t be driving!!!!

  8. If Seattle Hempfest is a vision of what the world will look like when dope is legal, that world will be peaceful and polite.

    And everything but pot, “juried” food, shitty bro-down music, and an idiot-political version of being spiritual, man will be banned.

    Also, no darkies.

    GO AHEAD AND HATE YOUR NEIGHBOR

    1. GO AHEAD AND HATE YOUR NEIGHBOR

      Like I needed your permission for that.

    2. if legalizing pot, means gratuitous one tin soldier references, i might have to reassess

    3. if legalizing pot, means gratuitous one tin soldier references, i might have to reassess

      1. Damn these mall computer squirrels!

      2. Billy Jack was awesome though.

  9. “The first is that no one is arguing, despite the dense crowds, slow-paced walking, scantily clad young folks, and loud bands”

    Cool
    And at first, I thought it read humpfest…but I imagine you would have gotten the same results…

  10. The fact that the people at these hempfests are such losers ought to reassure people about prohibition. If pot were legal its use would be confined to a fairly small underground culture. Most people who don’t use pot now wouldn’t use it if it were legal. And even if they wanted to the drug testing regime that would come with most jobs would prevent it.

    Stop picking on the retards. Make pot legal and stop worrying about it.

    1. Reassure people about ENDING prohibition. Pot is not going mainstream even if it is made legal.

      1. why would it be a BAD thing if it did? stoners are no more resentative of the average pot user, than a drunk is representative of the average alcohol user.

        why would it be a bad thing if (let’s say) 10 million americans decided to use a little pot vs. a little alcohol?

        1. I don’t think it would be bad at all if it did. But a lot of prohibitionists think the evil weed is the devil incarnate. And there is no convincing them otherwise. But even from their perspective, ending prohibition would not be that big of a deal. That was my point.

          And yeah, I agree with you as a general rule I would rather be around a bunch of stoners than a bunch of drunks. The stoners are just annoying at worst. The drunks can be downright dangerous.

          1. “”But a lot of prohibitionists think the evil weed is the devil incarnate. And there is no convincing them otherwise. “”

            They learned from experience, sort of. They blame it for all the bad things that happened in their life, or kids’ life.

            That’s the thing I’ve found to be odd. Many of them were pot smokers and prohibition is like a reborn religion.

            1. There is nothing worse than a reformed sinner. I think it is a form of self loathing.

              1. ^^This

          2. Well, that and the profiting from the drug war themselves.

    2. I’m not convinced that it would be underground. As Thoreau said, “the mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation” – and pot would provide a temporary escape from the stresses and petty miseries of everyday existence without the risks that accompany alcohol consumption. If it were legalised, I would expect it to become very mainstream, and I for one don’t see what’s wrong with that.

      (Coward’s disclaimer: don’t smoke it, won’t smoke it, don’t even know what it smells like, and won’t be around people who are stoned.)

  11. while i don’t think hempfest stoners represent the average stoner… the point is valid…

    mj, unlike alcohol, doesn’t have any tendency to spur people towards violence, etc.

    any street cop, or emergency room doctor could tell you that.

    1. Thats part of the plan, man! The war-pig military-industrial complex wants to keep us all violent and on edge, man! We’re like, brutalized in society, so we don’t object to the wars!

      1. fuck, nobody ever sends me “the plan”. i need to get on the right mailing lists

        1. Here’s the straight dope.

          Get yourself a copy of “Easy Rider”. VHS not DVD.
          Get a copy of “Electric Ladyland”. Vinyl not CD.

          Start the movie.
          Set the volume to a normal audible level.
          When the opening credits reach “Toni Basil”, start Jimi.
          Turn him up to a level that covers the movie.
          When the time comes to flip/change the record, important dialogue is highlighted during the pauses in the music.

          It’s all in there.
          Don’t take notes!
          Dope may help.
          YMMV.

    2. mj, unlike alcohol, doesn’t have any tendency to spur people towards violence, etc.

      That’s what I thought until I got stoned with some (wannabe) bikers in Hungary.

      Those guys would get high on good weed and start the macho shit with liberal amounts of one-upmanship mixed in. I was sorely disappointed.

      1. there is ALWAYS an exception with Hungarians…

  12. Well, this thread is certainly refreshing after the shitty feeling of reading through the anti-immigrant, anti-black screeds on the immigration thread.

    1. Would it make you feel any better if you knew they were all Slappy’s sockpuppets?

  13. Nick and Matt,

    click your shoes together and repeat “I wannt to go home…I want to go home H&R

    1. Gee Rather the occutards are always on the same thread as you. And we are supposed to believe it is not you behind all of them why?

      1. You mean there’s only one dissenter in this chat room?

        +2 me

        1. Yes. One manic crazy one.

          1. I suspect schizophrenic, in addition to the obvious bipolar disorder. Have you ever looked at her blog? Pure fucking nuts.

          2. Yes. One manic crazy one

            You mean your (and others’) chatting commentary is so fascinating that one must be “crazy” to criticize it? Talk about narcissistic!

            1. +1 Warty

              1. I’m happy to steal John’s points. Fuck him, he’s a narcissist.

              2. Chief Inspector John Clouseau |11.21.11 @ 1:59PM|#

                My instinct is this, whenever there is a white indian post there is always a rather post to go with it. One does not come without the other. That means either an evil group of trolls is stalking you for no apparent reason or you are connected to the trolls. My instinct says the latter.

                Another case solved 🙂

                1. +1 Warty

      2. I don’t care what you believe John; I know what is the truth, and you are a man who doesn’t trust is instinct

        1. My instinct is this, whenever there is a white indian post there is always a rather post to go with it. One does not come without the other. That means either an evil group of trolls is stalking you for no apparent reason or you are connected to the trolls. My instinct says the latter.

        2. +1 incoherence, and also John.

          1. Hmm, well it must be the latter because no one on H&R could be an evil bastard, right epi?

            Time to see if I float like a duck; are you from Massachusetts, John?

          2. Chief Inspector John Clouseau |11.21.11 @ 1:59PM|#
            My instinct is this, whenever there is a white indian post there is always a rather post to go with it. One does not come without the other. That means either an evil group of trolls is stalking you for no apparent reason or you are connected to the trolls. My instinct says the latter.

            Another case solved 🙂

            1. +1 me or John

              1. Chief Inspector John Clouseau |11.21.11 @ 1:59PM|#

                My instinct is this, whenever there is a white indian post there is always a rather post to go with it. One does not come without the other. That means either an evil group of trolls is stalking you for no apparent reason or you are connected to the trolls. My instinct says the latter.

                Another case solved 🙂

      1. You’re way too modest.

        +100 Episiarch for being the Dick of all Dicks.

        1. WE HATESES THE NASTY +1 GAMESES

          Another +1 for you, Epi.

          1. I hope I didn’t make her cry. Oh wait, that would be hilarious.

            1. She doesn’t cry, she takes a razor and makes some new scars in those salted hams she calls thighs.

              1. At least she says things of substance. It’s like you assholes are all in high school, and anyway, I make way more money than you.

                1. Warty, don’t be jealous that I’ve been chatting online with babes all day.

                  1. +1 Warty

                    1. Chief Inspector John Clouseau |11.21.11 @ 1:59PM|#

                      My instinct is this, whenever there is a white indian post there is always a rather post to go with it. One does not come without the other. That means either an evil group of trolls is stalking you for no apparent reason or you are connected to the trolls. My instinct says the latter.

                      Another case solved 🙂

                1. I mean I LOLed on Gojira’s comment.

          2. Chief Inspector John Clouseau |11.21.11 @ 1:59PM|#

            My instinct is this, whenever there is a white indian post there is always a rather post to go with it. One does not come without the other. That means either an evil group of trolls is stalking you for no apparent reason or you are connected to the trolls. My instinct says the latter.

            Another case solved 🙂

            1. I’M RELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION!!!!!

              1. Chief Inspector John Clouseau |11.21.11 @ 1:59PM|#

                My instinct is this, whenever there is a white indian post there is always a rather post to go with it. One does not come without the other. That means either an evil group of trolls is stalking you for no apparent reason or you are connected to the trolls. My instinct says the latter.

                Another case solved 🙂

          3. Chief Inspector John Clouseau |11.21.11 @ 1:59PM|#

            My instinct is this, whenever there is a white indian post there is always a rather post to go with it. One does not come without the other. That means either an evil group of trolls is stalking you for no apparent reason or you are connected to the trolls. My instinct says the latter.

            Another case solved 🙂

  14. mj, unlike alcohol, doesn’t have any tendency to spur people towards violence

    I can confirm this from my ER call experience: I never had a patient under the influence of THC take a swing at me, spit, and be generally non-compliant and unpleasant.

    Methsters, OTOH, are a mixed bag due to the inconsistency of the ingredients used in the manufacture and the resultant variants of end products.

    Angel dusters, IMO, are the most dangerous and unpredictable, and have thankfully dealt with few.

    1. I’ve been on the fence about what my addiction of choice should be; I appreciate your info. It’s angel dust for me from here on out!

      1. Bath salts dude. Gotta go with the bath salts!

        1. Someone has been reading my posts 😉

          1. +1 sarcasmic

            1. Chief Inspector John Clouseau |11.21.11 @ 1:59PM|#

              My instinct is this, whenever there is a white indian post there is always a rather post to go with it. One does not come without the other. That means either an evil group of trolls is stalking you for no apparent reason or you are connected to the trolls. My instinct says the latter.

              Another case solved 🙂

        2. I second the bath salts! (See link.)

    2. Angel dusters, IMO, are the most dangerous and unpredictable…

      That’s interesting, seeing that Serynlan was developed as an anesthetic. It’s probably too small of a sample size, but have you seen enough ketamine users to form an opinion?

      1. i’ve probably seen a ketamine user, but i’ve never had one who admitted to being on it, so i have no opinion of them.

        i do remember for a brief period of time, we had a string of veterinarian clinic burglaries… looking for ketamine.
        probably, they changed their storage policy (put it in a safe or something) because those dropped off to nothing after a brief period of time.

      2. There is no way to even get to an ER on ketamine. It’s like you are frozen in an inter-dimensional space where the concept of ER, ambulance, drive, or “me” doesn’t exist. It literally obliterated my ego, scattering it as light particles across a bright void. There is no better feeling when the particles started to come back together. I rebuilt my ego with love and peace. It was beautiful. Haven’t done drugs since, about 13 years.

        1. I figured as much, but you could be brought into an ER.

          I don’t remember if it was Sullum or someone else who wrote about PCP vs. Ketamine. They’re both deliriants, with similar chemical composition. Yet PCP remains a street drug, while ketamine is used more by professionals. I was wondering if this might play into the perception of the drug by doctors or cops.

          1. Yes, a panicky “tripper skipper” could drag your high ass to an ER, or call an ambulance. That would be a total bummer. But I don’t think the patient would be violent. The stuff sort of paralyzes your limbs. If you are standing when it comes on, you can not sit down. If you are sitting, you can not get up. I have tried to talk with my trip mates, but communication is almost impossible. Also, for real fun, just when the K starts to come on, try a couple of bong rips, or pass a joint among friends. Slingshot into the center of the sun. ;p

          2. My friend and I used to go to Tijuana and buy pharmaceutical Ketamine. The trouble with street PCP could be the usual impurities. I imagine pure PCP is quite a pleasant high. Also, don’t take mind altering drugs if your mind is in a bad place, if your are schizophrenic, or if your’re tripping with someone fucked up/schizo. I think the environment has a lot to do with how the journey goes.

            1. that’s nice, but the problem with schizos is many don’t realize or admit they ARE schizos

          3. the perception of PCP is largely informed by the fact that in a substantial # of incidents (especially considering how rarely used PCPis), where people are found doing REALLY bizarre, hyperviolent shit, AND have a complete immunity to recognition of pain, and scary strength – the drug of choice was PCP

            it’s not quite 28 days later scary… but it’s scary shit.

            i haven’t heard any reports of people acting similarly who were later found to be on ketamine

            1. You mean, for instance, punching through a windshield with a bare fist?

        2. But still stuck in that inter-dimensional space.

    3. yes. this is why many, if not most cops i know (Street cops) tend to … at a minimum not care about MJ, if not being outright supporters of decrim/legalization

      it’s not the stoners that are assaulting us, committing domestic violence, and being a general pain in the ass.

      heck, even drunk women are prone to take a swing (having been brought up with the taboo that it’s always wrong to hit a woman, but a woman can hit a man and it’s ok has something to do with it i think).

      about the worst thing one can expect from stoners is REALLY STUPID philosophizing.

      i can live with that. i mean i frequent H&R nu?

      :l

  15. it just wouldn’t be Monday (or any other day) without the obligatory “here’s why pot should be legal” argument. Can’t imagine why a large swath refuses to take libertarians seriously.

    1. Wait, are you a drug prohibitionist, asshole?

      1. Else he’s a concern troll, or one of Slappy’s sockpuppets.

        Given the costs of marijuana prohibition compared to the fact that prohibition provides absolutely no benefits whatsoever, it amazes me how anyone who proposes it gets taken seriously.

      2. Yeah, I actually once had a guy respond, “oh, so you want to legalize pot?” when I told him I classified myself as a constitutional libertarian.

        So I punched him right in his smug fucking phiz.

        No, I didn’t really. I just said, “uh – no. Well, actually, yeah, I don’t see any reason why it shouldn’t be. But I don’t smoke it myself.”

        To which he smirked and winked and said, “oh, right” and rolled his eyes.

        That’s when I kicked him right in the nutsack.

        Well, no, actually I didn’t do that either. At that point, I just said, “whatever. You’re going to believe whatever you want to.” And just stopped talking to him.

        1. In high school, I once punched a kid in the solar plexus for yelling at me about how socialism is awesome and I was a asshole for not believing him. It felt good.

          1. have you considered a career in law enforcement

            it’s not true, but if you believe the reasonoids, it’s the perfect career to commit thuggery and get away with it

      3. Please be nice to doucheagle. His dumb Auburn-loving ass thinks it’s cool to go around typing things like “wareagle.” Meanwhile, the rest of the world waits to tell him how truly, truly stupid it sounds to everybody not inbred into a tiny corner of a single state.

        1. Just call him “Ware Agle”.

    2. Can’t imagine why a large swath refuses to take libertarians seriously.

      Right, okay there wareagle – I imagine it’s the same swath that gets boners watching Top Gun and pro wrestling

      1. it’s nice to know that cultural elitism exists among libertarians and isn’t just a liberal thang

        1. I can’t watch stylized violence without a turgid member!

          1. Did you ever watch sumo? You’d probably blow a load in your pants, or if you’re into cosplay, in that diaper-thingy that they use for a butt handle.

        2. Fuck you.

          I refuse to accept the belief that a tractor-pull is of the same cultural worth as, say, a Caravaggio.

        3. Fuck you.

          I refuse to accept the belief that a tractor-pull is of the same cultural worth as, say, a Caravaggio.

          1. Hahaha – his name has ‘vag’ in it.

            I’d love to hear that a few more times!

          2. You’re right. Tractor pulls are much more interesting.

        4. Fuck you.

          I refuse to accept the belief that a tractor-pull is of the same cultural worth as, say, a Caravaggio.

          1. Maybe not to you, but there’s legions of tractor-pull attending Americans that have no use for Caravaggio.

            As long as my tax dollars are paying for neither of them, I don’t much care to get into cultural worth pissing contests.

    3. For someone so concerned about what ‘teh illegalz!’ are costing ‘us’, have you ever actually looked into the cost of our shitty attempts to eradicate weed?

      “Can’t imagine why a large swath refuses to take libertarians seriously.”

      As ‘member’ of an extremely small political minority it feels good knowing that all the problems faced by this country are a direct result of both Team Blue AND Team Red. As a Team Red cock sucker, it appears you feel good being able to say, “Hey, at least I’m part of the collective.”

  16. I’ve been on the fence about what my addiction of choice should be; I appreciate your info. It’s angel dust for me from here on out!

    Picked the wrong week to quit huffing jenkum and model airplane glue, did we Jim? You are looking a bit fagged, shagged, disheveled and generally expended.

    1. I always appreciate a good Airplane reference to get my Monday going.

      1. I’ll never get over Macho Grande.

        1. But he went to pieces?

  17. Again, the correct term is re-legalize. I’ve met some drug war addicts who didn’t know that all drugs were legal prior to 1914.

  18. Every August since 1991, Seattle Hempfest has shown what the world will be like when pot is legal.

    […]

    where open pot use is tolerated (even celebrated) but booze is banned doesn’t have to be filled with fights and scream fests;

    It looks like it would if our guy was in charge…

    Sorry. Couldn’t resist.

  19. It’s probably too small of a sample size, but have you seen enough ketamine users to form an opinion?

    Not a large enough representative sample to form a solid clinical opinion, but those few were total space cadets, uncoordinated, combative, non-compliant and had to be restrained for patient and staff safety.

    1. I have seen enough monkeys under the influence of ketamine to never, ever do it. I will pass on disassociatives, thank you.

      1. for a legal disassociative, dextromethorphan is available

        just make sure you get it in an elixir WITHOUT APAP if imbibing mass quantities

        ketamine gets better reviews than DXM, but they are both disassociatives

      2. Monkeys on ketamine? Your zoos are a lot better than the ones I’ve been to. If they were acting as the good doctor described, I don’t doubt it was a good show.

  20. I always appreciate a good Airplane reference to get my Monday going.

    You got a two-fer, Jim. There was the A Clockwork Orange psuedo-reference as well.

    1. yea, i saw that. it wasn’t obvious since he didn’t use “droogs” or the proper terminology, but it was subtle

      1. Fun fact: all that babble was Russian.

        “Droog” is Russian for “friend”, “horoshow” is “good”, and “moloko” is “milk”.

        Yay, I used my useless major for something!

        1. that babble was not just russian. it was nadsat, a product of anthony burgess’ imagination. viddy well brother.

  21. I have seen enough monkeys under the influence of ketamine to never, ever do it.

    That’s no way to talk about STEVE SMITH! I have it on good authority STEVE SMITH is trying to trying to turn over a new leaf, and not the ones hikers shat upon. You are clearly a specieist and a drug snob bourgeoise.

    1. Steve Smith not monkey. Steve Smith have no tail. Steve Smith Giagantopithicus.

  22. for a legal disassociative, dextromethorphan is available

    Speaking of Dimetapp, where has Tulpy Poo been hiding? Did he fall into a vat of Jif or feast on some E. coli contaminated Peter Pan?

    1. Oh, he’s around. I think I saw him on another thread, chastising people on how to correctly line up their pencils.

        1. +1 JW. Groovy.

          1. Chief Inspector John Clouseau |11.21.11 @ 1:59PM|#

            My instinct is this, whenever there is a white indian post there is always a rather post to go with it. One does not come without the other. That means either an evil group of trolls is stalking you for no apparent reason or you are connected to the trolls. My instinct says the latter.

            Another case solved 🙂

            1. +1 Groovus.

    2. Jif the cleaner or the peanut butter?

  23. where people are found doing REALLY bizarre, hyperviolent shit, AND have a complete immunity to recognition of pain, and scary strength – the drug of choice was PCP

    Correct. The Warty-level strength in particular, along with the behavioral unpredictability, and the total anesthesia to pain, is what makes these patients so dangerous. The only saving grace of the one few cases with which I dealt was the shuffling mobility: basically was easy to avoid but a real bitch to restrain whilst avoiding getting knocked out cold (which one of the ER techs did). Ketamine users I have dealt with were the same. “Slow moving zombies” would indeed apply.

  24. where people are found doing REALLY bizarre, hyperviolent shit, AND have a complete immunity to recognition of pain, and scary strength – the drug of choice was PCP

    Correct. The Warty-level strength in particular, along with the behavioral unpredictability, and the total anesthesia to pain, is what makes these patients so dangerous. The only saving grace of the one few cases with which I dealt was the shuffling mobility: basically was easy to avoid but a real bitch to restrain whilst avoiding getting knocked out cold (which one of the ER techs did). Ketamine users I have dealt with were basically the same, but tended to be hyper visually photosensitive. “Slow moving zombies” would indeed apply.

    1. Slow-moving, double-posting zombies.

  25. OK guys! Great article, now how about some serious and venomous free-market vs. big government prose, as only Reason can do it, about Obama’s thugs and their betrayal of California’s cannabis industry? Where is it?

  26. Where have all the good old-fashioned alcoholics gone?

  27. Was I imagining things, or did three liberal shitheads above just jump the shark completely by trying to feed people on an American libertarian website bullshit about the Revolutionary War? Really?

    Desperate, eh?

    1. Relax. They’re just killing time. Like you.

  28. Was I imagining things, or did three liberal shitheads above just jump the shark completely by trying to feed people on an American libertarian website bullshit about the Revolutionary War?

    Clearly you are on a Ketamine Kick…here, hold still, RPA…

    1. Yeah, I’m seriously thinking somebody might have spiked my drink, because no fucking way are those trolls stupid enough to open that trapdoor to hell — arguing Revolutionary War with libertarians and constitutionalists. Wow.

  29. When pot is legal it will be nothing but rainbows and Unicorns.
    Nice tits on the Hula Hooper!

  30. The fact that articles promoting drugs and illegal immigration get the most favorable comments…tells you all you need to know about Reason.

    1. promoting legalization of drugs is not the same as promoting drugs

      1. On this board it is.

      2. Not inherently, no, but Reason seems to take an editorial bent towards not just promoting legalization as a philosophical or practical matter, but advocating for drug use as if it had some vast benefits over the alternative. The title of this article being a case in point – the suggestion being that marijuana users are more peaceful, happy, and non-violent than non users, or users of other drugs.

        It’s also kind of ironic that a festival at least partially dedicated to advocacy for legalization of one drug strictly prohibits the use of another that is already legal…

  31. I’m generally impressed with the reasonableness of Reason magazine’s articles. Does anyone else find it ironic (and sad) that Reason is host to almost exclusively unreasonable, unreasoned, mindless, and frequently incoherent comments in its comment section? Talk about a Tower of Babel. Worse than the comment section of any other publication I’ve looked at – and that’s saying something.

    1. After Friday night, I promised myself that I wouldn’t drink anymore. But what the hell.

      *drink*

    2. Those are its good points.

  32. I smoked pot once. It made me want to rape and kill.

    1. I have to admit, I stole the “smoked pot once ” line from an old Easyriders’ cartoon of a cop talking to another cop.

  33. The desire to get baked sure makes for some strange bedfellows. Anti-free-traders, OWS-esque-pseudo-socialists, noted UFOlogist and state-worshipper Dennis Kucinich, and a magazine supposedly dedicated to individual liberties, all rallying for legalization of a drug at a festival where an already-legalized drug is strictly prohibited.

  34. Just curious. Why is being a Ron Paul supporter a bad thing? Are people afraid of the constitution or perhaps of spending within their means? Maybe the people really do intend to be the world police despite the success of this melting pot that we live in. Or perhaps people still wish to cling to false political models that trump up great expectations by the usual political talking heads while giving away America and our freedoms, our jobs, our livelihoods and our posterity. Whatever the case may be Ron Paul’s philosophy has always been supportive of American traditions and his platform is as firm as it ever has been. With the history of our country in perspective we can see that going “mainstream” in our political arenas is a dangerous route to travel. We might wind up in bondage missing the opportunity we have squandered to preserve liberty and security while charting a new direction for our future.

  35. Your right to smoke pot ends where my right to clean air begins. If people want to consume pot through methods that don’t require those around them to get high along with them, fine. But I will *never* support the right to *smoke* pot. My bf is allergic to it – and there’s nothing worse for him than going to some outdoor event and having to deal with smelly, irritating pot smoke wafting his way.

    Pot smokers are selfish and I’ve seen them light up at daytime outdoor events with children just feet away.

    So if you want to eat pot brownies, fine, more power to you. But NO SMOKING a mind-altering substance – especially in public or in my apartment building, please!

    1. Hopefully more MMD users can find new edibles to treat the condition they suffer from. But the fastest way to get treatment is to smoke, maybe your friend could get the people to smoke in the bathrooms using the exhaust vent which would vent to the roof. More drops and rubs like I’v developed for pain, are becoming available but until the Feds legalize it and the Black market pays there taxes it will be a mess.

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  37. While the progress has been forward one element has stayed in the black market. The illegal growers who steal electric from the public grid and get paid cash from the MMD’s and do not support the social grid, many are getting SSI or SSD, unemployment- they are ripping us (the 99%) off. I’v tried to make a difference and was almost shot in the head by a 357 and other destructive actions from the growers and MMD owners. The government has no choice but to push back when the 50% of the retail sales are going to the black market. Sadly still using M for my seizures and pain. Silvercloud

  38. As an employee of a neighborhood business adjacent to the park, I must say that the Hempfest crowd are the absolute worst people to encounter. After the event, the neighborhood was covered by garbage, broken bottles and urine, multiple car windows were broken and rules of the road generally ignored. As much as the writer of this piece wasnt to wax poetic about the general feeling of congeniality, it simply was not reflected in the actions of anyone beyond the confines of the park.

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