Pill Pushers
Got the sniffles? The government may think you're a drug dealer.
Authorities in Virginia think they may have found the solution to the meth epidemic: target people who have never made or used meth.
They don't put it in quite those terms. But that's precisely the effect if officials decide to start tracking every purchase of cold and allergy drugs such as Sudafed. Those over-the-counter nostrums contain pseudoephedrine, a component often used to make methamphetamine.
Why would this be a bad idea? Several reasons.
First, it's out of all proportion to the problem. Let's stipulate that meth is very bad and people should stay the heck away from it. But according to a story in last week's Times-Dispatch, only 487 out of 34,168 Virginia drug arrests in 2010 were for meth or amphetamine possession. That's a little less than 1.5 percent. (Note also the "or amphetamine.") By contrast, how many Virginians get colds and allergies in the course of a year?
Second, it almost certainly will not impede the meth trade; it will only increase consumption of meth from Mexican narco-labs. This isn't mere speculation. It's exactly what happened in Oklahoma, which imposed restrictions on the sale of cold and allergy medication several years ago to combat meth trafficking there.
Result? "Six and a half pounds of Mexican meth, also known as 'Ice,' has been taken off the street by the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics," reported an Oklahoma City TV station last year. "It's the second meth bust in the last week." The story quoted the head of the state narcotics bureau, who said, "The No. 1 threat to the citizens in the state of Oklahoma is the Hispanic sell groups that have infiltrated rural Oklahoma." Oklahoma did not reduce consumption—it outsourced production. Some victory.
Third, the proposal targets the wrong thing. The problem is meth, not meth precursors. Cold and allergy remedies can be used to make meth, but so can soda bottles and coffee filters. Applying the fanatical logic of the nation's drug war, if restricting the sale of allergy medicines does not stop meth use—and it won't—the next step should be to track the sale of 2-liter soda bottles.
Fourth, limiting the sale of over-the-counter medicines, as Virginia officials are considering doing, almost inevitably will entrap law-abiding citizens who unwittingly violate purchase limits. Consider what happened to Sally Harpold, an Indiana grandmother who was hauled off in handcuffs, booked and embarrassed on the front page of the local paper a couple of years ago. As Reason magazine's Jacob Sullum reported, her crime—if you want to call it that—was "buying a box of Zyrtec-D allergy medicine for her husband, then buying a box of Mucinex-D decongestant for her daughter at another pharmacy less than a week later. That second transaction put Harpold six-tenths of a gram over Indiana's three-gram-per-week limit" for pseudoephedrine.
Fourth, proposals such as these accelerate a regrettable trend recently reported in The Wall Street Journal: the diminishing emphasis on mens rea, or "guilty mind." Once upon a time, legal standards in America generally required a person to know they were committing a crime in order to find them guilty. Increasingly, individuals can be convicted for violating statutes they did not even realize existed.
Among other examples, the story cites Gary Hancock of Flagstaff, Ariz., who was convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence in the early 1990s. Congress later passed a law forbidding people with such convictions to own firearms. Hancock hadn't been told about the law, so he hadn't sold his guns—and ended up with a five-year prison sentence. As his lawyer said, prosecutors "did not have to prove he knew about the law. They only had to prove that he knew he had guns."
You can easily see how this would apply to pseudoephedrine. Nobody who buys cold medicine is unaware that he has bought it.
Fifth, and perhaps most perniciously, the proposed limits on over-the-counter medicine amount to dragnet surveillance. Dragnet surveillance—roadside checkpoints, NSA wiretaps, random drug testing, and so on—not only abandons the notion of reasonable suspicion. It abandons the concept of suspicion altogether, enabling the authorities to monitor and investigate ordinary citizens as they go about their daily lives, on the mere off chance that a few here and there might do something criminal.
The logic behind Virginia's anti-meth measures is the logic of gun control. That warped reasoning goes like this: Millions of Americans use a lawful product in a lawful manner, but because a minute fraction use it unlawfully, everyone else will have to submit to government monitoring, inconvenience and constraint. Including you, dear citizen. Because while you have given no one any grounds to think you have broken the law, it is theoretically possible that you might do so at some point in the future. You are not to be trusted.
Is this the message Virginia really wants to convey?
A. Barton Hinkle is a columnist at the Richmond Times-Dispatch. This article originally appeared in the Richmond Times-Dispatch.
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Mens Rea does not refer to knowledge that one is committing a crime; Instead it refers to intent. The idea is better expressed through Hancock's lawyer's statement: you do not need to know that your act was illegal, you only needed to intend to have done the act.
As I understand it, that does not jibe with Morissette vs United States.
Not necessarily. In Morissette, his intention was to pick up abandoned property, not to convert government property to his own use.
Under this interpretation, in the case of sudafed buying, the intent required would be to violate the arbitrary limit on purchases, which people innocently buying cold medicine presumably don't have.
Actually criminal intent can be knowledge. Mens rea usually falls under the categories of purposely, knowingly, recklessly, or negligently. If the mens rea required by the penal code is recklessly, then it can also be satisfied by purposely and knowingly bc they are higher standards. Purposely means it is the persons conscious object to cause the result. Knowingly means he is aware the result is practically certain to result. Recklessly means he consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the result will occur from his conduct. Negligently means he should be aware of a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the result will occur due to his conduct.
Is this the message Virginia really wants to convey?
I'm guessing the answer is "yes".
The problem is not meth,the problem is the govrernment telling you what you can consume.The drug and plant war has failed.
Here in Maine we already must present photo ID to the pharmacist and sign a paper when purchasing anything with pseudoephedrine in it.
Presumption of innocence my ass.
These days, presumption of innocence seems to only apply to public officials.
Doesn't everybody? I thought that was a federal rule now.
Already that way in NY too.
Every January, my wife gets a massive sinus infection, cold, flu type thing. And every year, I am standing in Walgreen's at 3 AM buying over-the-counter medicines. I know from experience to buy as much of every cold/flu/cough/sinus remedy on the shelves. I'm guessing this method would make me public enemy number one in Virginia. Stupid law.
When I was in school there were certain asshole teachers who would punish the entire class for the behavior of one student. Apparently that same mentality reigns in government.
At least your teachers probably required a student to be hurting someone, or disrupting class. This seems to be happening only because some asshole in DC just can't sleep at night with the thought that someone, somewhere might be getting high.
Never mind that government has no legitimate business worrying about or dictating what people put into their own bodies. The war on drugs is not based on the idea that they are harmful - the government clearly cares not a whit about harming citizens - but, rather, on the puritanical dread that some people may be deriving pleasure from the use of certain compounds. Suppose you could invent a compound which produced immense pleasure in the user, but could be demonstrated to be utterly harmless. Do you doubt for a minute that it would leap to the top of the governments agenda to ban it? Some people would argue that we already have such a substance - marijuana. I never actually found marijuana to be all that pleasurable, plus it tastes pretty gross.
Suppose you could invent a compound which produced immense pleasure in the user, but could be demonstrated to be utterly harmless. Do you doubt for a minute that it would leap to the top of the governments agenda to ban it?
Suppose you didn't invent a substance but a technique, like meditation that actually works. Then what?
Hey, US! You got Falun Gong problem too?
Suppose you could invent a compound which produced immense pleasure in the user, but could be demonstrated to be utterly harmless. Do you doubt for a minute that it would leap to the top of the governments agenda to ban it?
They wouldn't have to ban it. Chances are it already would be banned under the analog drug act.
They would declare it a "gateway" drug, and ban it.
"But according to a story in last week's Times-Dispatch, only 487 out of 34,168 Virginia drug arrests in 2010 were for meth or amphetamine possession. That's a little less than 1.5 percent. (Note also the "or amphetamine.")"
Indeed. For the record, several ADHD medications are amphetamines (e.g., Adderall). Makes me wonder how many of those busts were for legitimate (used as indicated on the label) drugs.
Adderall is actually a meth/amphetamine combo.
"Fifth, and perhaps most perniciously, the [xxxxxxxx] amount to dragnet surveillance. Dragnet surveillance?roadside checkpoints, NSA wiretaps, random drug testing, and so on?not only abandons the notion of reasonable suspicion. It abandons the concept of suspicion altogether, enabling the authorities to monitor and investigate ordinary citizens as they go about their daily lives, on the mere off chance that a few here and there might do something criminal."
Fill in the [xxxxxx] with your favorite over the top response to anything criminal in the new.
Welcome to Amerika, your papers, please.
""It abandons the concept of suspicion altogether, enabling the authorities to monitor and investigate ordinary citizens as they go about their daily lives, on the mere off chance that a few here and there might do something criminal."""
Abandons? Not quite, it morphs it. Computer programs will decide who is suspicious.
I've been saying for a while that government wants every thing you do in a database, so it can be searched. People think I wearing a foil hat.
But I can only partly fault authority, we have become a partner in our own surveillance.
Indeed; we're leaving behind bits of digital traces, just the same way as we leave behind smell traces which can be followed by a bloodhound.
Every time one moves around with a switched-on cellphone, they leave traces when crossing cell tower boundaries. Every time one uses one's debit card leaves a trace where one was at a given instant. I won't even mention of images on CCTV cameras...
All of this is innocuous as long as the powers-to-be aren't interested in tracing someone. But when it becomes an issue, suddenly there's a veritable cornucopia of traces.
I guess one can't have privacy expectations regarding these, as they are mostly left while people are at public places.
Hector is Gus' father!
Fourth,...Fourth,....Fifth?
Hey, you try writing after smoking half a teenth.
Yes, aside from the whole get the government out of telling me what to put in by body thing, this is silly. Here in Oregon you have to have a frikkin' prescription to get pseudoephedrine. Officials claim it's shut down the local labs. True. But it hasn't reduced use at all; it just comes from Mexico now. What happened to "buy local?"
Ok, I'm gonna need to see everyone in here's papers!
All I have is toilet paper. And it's used.
You're welcome to it, and richly deserve it.
It's that way here in Arizona-- all the real antihistamines are kept behind the counter. The stuff in the accessible part of the store is the new, improved, completely ineffective formulation.
Now with 273% more placebo effect!
Makes me wanna go buy a teener just to thumb my nose at the bastards.
The logic behind Virginia's anti-meth measures is the logic of gun control. That warped reasoning goes like this: Millions of Americans use a lawful product in a lawful manner, but because a minute fraction use it unlawfully, everyone else will have to submit to government monitoring, inconvenience and constraint. Including you, dear citizen. Because while you have given no one any grounds to think you have broken the law, it is theoretically possible that you might do so at some point in the future. You are not to be trusted.
See, this is the kind of fallacious jibber jabber that makes second amendment nuts look more whackaloon than their gun control counterparts. Let me explain the difference between cold medicine and guns. I'll type slow and use small words for your benef? sake.
When you put meth into your brain, that's your problem. When you put a bullet in someone else's brain, they often end up dead (or even worse). It's like saying we shouldn't license drivers because; fuck the DMV. Even in Libertopia, modest regulation in the service of public safety is acceptable.
Which is not to say that gun control idjits don't go too far and impose onerous regs with little benefit. Merely that gun nuts who contend they have a right to buy and sell guns and bullets with no interference from the government are assclowns.
"shall not be infringed"
CB
What does infringed mean?
It's what hippies wear.
"not be infringed" = Can't Touch This!
Hammertime!!!
You've already gone down the slippery slope once you buy into any kind of "public safety" nonsense. All that matters is private property and private persons. Some want to argue that it's reasonable to require gun training before allowing someone to purchase a gun, but as it's no one else's business if someone owns a gun, which they have every right to own to defend themselves, or shoot for fun, then a just government would only have laws clarifying offenses against persons or property, and a justice system for enforcement.
Same for driving, if someone attests they are able to drive, then it's not the governments business. Now no insurance company would provide insurance, and no private owner of a road would want someone on their roads endangering others, so sure they would want proof of driving skills, but it's not public safety, it's private persons or property.
Oh please, you are not seriously advocating gun control laws are you? First, you do not need a gun to kill people or even to kill many people and anyone who wants to kill has infinite options in order to do so. Not to mention - and see if you can wrap your mind around this - anyone who is inclined to kill another person is not going to be dissuaded from obtaining and using a gun to do so by any law. Here is another clue - laws only have an impact on the law abiding. How, on God's green earth, is keeping guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens going to do anything to prevent gun crime? Not to mention - the first thing every tyrant does is disarm the populace. The responsibility for harming others lies ONLY on the shoulders those doing the harming. Blaming THINGS is just another way to insinuate that these people are not entirely responsible for their behavior.
Guns + alcohol/drugs + crazy person = very bad sh*t.
Having lots of all three circulating through society is very bad indeed.
Warren (fucking assclown) - These are small words...read them slowly;
"...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Wrong. Drug warriors often point to the societal costs imposed by drug addicts, and they get to use the same logic that's behind "common sense" gun regulations.
"The No. 1 threat to the citizens in the state of Oklahoma is the Hispanic sell groups that have infiltrated rural Oklahoma."
Not tornadoes, not droughts, not even taxes or excessive government, but "Hispanic sell groups."
Is it me, or is this statement absurd on its face?
Oklahoma is a very boring place.
You know, those nefarious Hispanics actually hold children down and inject them with meth. That's why THEY are the threat, and not the citizens who are willing to fork over the money for the product.
ridiculous
I live in rural Oklahoma. Not one Hispanic has ever tried to sell me speed.
Lazy fuckers. Come here, take our jobs and then don't even do the work.
That's why we were all lied to when warned about drug "pushers". The problem is us being drug "suckers", but I guess it's a lot more comfortable to pretend we are dealing with an outside force.
Here's a clue. This is not a free country. The fact is, we have the illusion of freedom, largely, because, for the most part what we do is of little interest to the authorities. If, for whatever reason, the authorities do take an interest in you or in your property there are a multitude of ways for them to go after you or your property. You are only safe because most of what you have and do is of no interest to those who have power over you. Once they decide they do have an interest, you are a goner.
It still amazes me how the presently illegal drugs issue creates such irrational fear and loathing in politicians. It's like the Spanish Inquisition. And how about hypocrisy? Does Virgina still allow the growing of tobacco? Now there's an addictive and harmful substance. And what about alcohol? It is legal to produce, sell, buy, and drink alcoholic beverages in Virginia? Nearly 50% of all violent crime is caused by people who have been drinking. That figure goes up in large metropolitan areas.
"Is this the message Virginia really wants to convey?"
You don't really believe they've thought this out any further than getting a law passed, do you?
"Result? "Six and a half pounds of Mexican meth, also known as 'Ice,' has been taken off the street by the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics," reported an Oklahoma City TV station last year. "It's the second meth bust in the last week." The story quoted the head of the state narcotics bureau, who said, "The No. 1 threat to the citizens in the state of Oklahoma is the Hispanic sell groups that have infiltrated rural Oklahoma." Oklahoma did not reduce consumption?it outsourced production. Some victory."
The author hopefully realizes that this is intended, not an unexpected side effect. Who do you think your government works for? Answer, the people that pay them. The organized criminal element discovered long ago that paying government to keep drugs illegal and to utilize enforcement means that shift demand to their products is much more efficient than fighting the government.
Agreed,
but the comparison between sudafed and soda bottles is really really really weak.
pseudoephedrine is readily converted into the drug itself,
whereas soda bottles and coffee filters are simply apparatus and not themselves viable chemical precursors to the drug.
Aside: ammonia is commonly stolen and used to make meth, but how exactly is it used? Is it used for "reductive amination", or for "dissolving metal reduction"? Either would be applicable from the proper precursors, in one instance it would be incorporated into the drug, in the other it would not be. Third option: often in this context ammonia is used neither as a reagent nor a solvent but simply as a coolant. So even ammonia is commonly nothing but apparatus.