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Politics

The Loughner Panic

Breaking down the media/political breakdown over the Tucson massacre

Reason Staff | From the April 2011 issue

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Two hours after a deranged college dropout named Jared Lee Loughner opened fire on a congresswoman's meet-and-greet outside a Tucson supermarket, killing six and wounding 13 others, the influential progressive blogger Markos "Daily Kos" Moulitsas fouled Twitter with this grotesque message: "Mission accomplished, Sarah Palin." Several hours later The New York Times reported in its front-page coverage that the massacre "set off what is likely to be a wrenching debate over anger and violence in American politics." We soon got a rather different "wrenching debate," over the media's rush to blame the violence on political rhetoric, especially the right-of-center variety.

This wasn't the first time during Barack Obama's presidency that Republicans, Tea Partiers, and libertarians were blamed for the murderous rampage of a gunman who was none of the above. Nor is it likely to be the last. But the post-massacre recriminations illuminated the sickness of our political discourse, including the instinct to grasp at "solutions" requiring that we surrender still more of our freedoms to a sporadically competent state.

The bewildering and disheartening days following the attack were dominated by connect-the-dots "paranoia of the center" (in Managing Editor Jesse Walker's memorable coinage). But a silver lining emerged even before President Obama's stirring, unifying eulogy at the University of Arizona: The American people, by a solid majority, never bought into the narrative that political speech produced this heinous act. Nor did most Americans blame loose gun laws or the other scapegoats invoked in the days after the murders. And as of press time, few of the hurried, post-massacre legislative proposals designed to prevent the next tragedy appeared to be gathering momentum. 

In this package, reason examines the most fanciful theories about Loughner's rampage, highlights some of the more extreme post-shooting policy ideas (including involuntary commitment of the mentally disturbed), and analyzes the ways in which Loughner's profile resembles those of political assassins throughout history. We also explore the more direct—and more deadly—link between political rhetoric and violence when it comes to the war on drugs and the militarization of police. To kick things off, we take a look at perhaps the only salutary side effect of this hideous moment: In their rush to judgment and eagerness to politicize, Democrats, Republicans, and the mainstream media hastened the process of their own undoing.

The Politicization of Everything: Why Americans increasingly hate Democrats and Republicans. By Nick Gillespie.

The Deadliest Rhetoric: Critics who link anti-government speech to violence ignore the violence committed by a government "at war." By Radley Balko.

Unpacking Jared Lee Loughner: If you're the Southern Poverty Law Center, the media will treat your guesses like gold. By Jesse Walker.

Just Your Typical Would-Be Assassin: Jared Loughner fits the profile of a killer—but not in the way you might think. By Ronald Bailey.

From Reefer Madness to the Hays Code: Pundits go mad looking for Tucson massacre scapegoats. By Katherine Mangu-Ward.

Looking for Loughners: Would laxer commitment rules make us safer? By Jacob Sullum.

Gun Control Couldn't Have Stopped It: The Tucson massacre should not lead to new restrictions on firearms. By Brian Doherty.

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  1. Hazel Meade   14 years ago

    On campus here they are havling talks about "identifying troubled students" and responding to them, called "Learn without Concern".

    Now that all seems fine so long as the "identification" of a "troubled student" is confined to actual mental illness.

    The problem is that in the wake of the shootings, groups like the SPLC identified things like enjoying 'We the Living' and 'one Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' as marks of a dangerous anti-government mindset.

    Plus, I'm well aware that there are students and professors on this campus who would not hestiate to report an outspoken libertarian as a potentially "troubled student". Some of them are fucking malicious like that.

    1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

      I have an idea. Let's use this for political theater. That will make things better.

      1. TrickyVic   14 years ago

        Speaking of political theater, Donderooooooooo wants to know why libertarians are silent about radical islam.
        http://bigpeace.com/edondero/2.....cal-islam/

        1. Hugh Akston   14 years ago

          Without dirtying my browser cache by actually clicking on the link, I will predict that the answer is the same as why moderate Muslims are silent about radical Islam: because we are secretly in favor of it. Allah Akbar!

        2. Episiarch   14 years ago

          DONDERRROOOOOOOOO

          I miss doing that.

        3. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

          Silent? I've suggested ending our meddling ways in the Middle East, citing that even the oil reason is less than compelling since most of our oil comes from elsewhere.

          But maybe he meant other, more prominent libertarians. Like Kurt Russell.

          1. TrickyVic   14 years ago

            For a quick glance at the article I think he's referring to the libertarians in the House.

            Libertarians representives not jumping on the King band wagon, need one even ask why? DONDERRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOO

            I miss doing that too Epi.

            1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

              Libertarians in the House? If I remember his positions correctly, Giuliani was a libertarian.

              1. TrickyVic   14 years ago

                What's funny is he mentions Reason.

                Nothing said about it here. 😉

                1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

                  I don't get it. The general libertarian position on the WoT couldn't be much clearer. And most of us don't consider the Islamic terrorist threat to be great enough to throw civil liberties and limited government under the bus.

    2. Mr. FIFY   14 years ago

      Fuckin' SPLC. How does it work?

      1. SPLC   14 years ago

        It's easy:

        Step 1: Claim that everyone right-of-center are racism-fueled traitors

        Step 2:

        Step 3: Profit!

        1. Amateur Sociologist   14 years ago

          Step 2 in that is "agitate batshit leftwing donors".

        2. Highway   14 years ago

          Your basis point is incorrect. It's "everyone to the right of the SPLC".

          1. Underpants Gnomes   14 years ago

            WE didn't need a Step 2...

  2. Libertarian   14 years ago

    For the love of god, isn't there another photo that can illustrate these articles!?!

    1. Pip   14 years ago

      I agree. You are feeding the beast.

    2. Episiarch   14 years ago

      I don't get why people complain about this picture. It's awesome. So much crazy in one compressed instant.

      1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

        I don't like the media love of promoting the useless mugs of these assholes. And their pathetic lives. When can I see his story on Lifetime?

      2. if i had to guess   14 years ago

        i'd say people are sick of it because it's beyond over-used yet still disgusting to behold, but at this point the disgust is borne more of a holy-shit-even-so-much-compressed-crazy-can-be-played-the-fuck-out attitude...& then there are likely plenty of people who never thought it was awesome to begin with...

      3. Robert   14 years ago

        What "crazy"? It's a bald guy with a little grin, just enough to tell you not to take things so seriously, without getting sappy about it. I think they should run it frequently as a bit of relief from all the awful shit we read about here.

      4. shrike   14 years ago

        I agree with Episiarch for once - I paid good money to see Travis Bickle(?) and other fictional nutcases in films.

        Plus there is Glenn Beck - same shit different outcome.

        1. TrickyVic   14 years ago

          A Glenn Beck film would be a chick flick. Bring your tissue.

          1. Mr. FIFY   14 years ago

            shrike is still a statist 'tard, no matter how many bones he tries to throw.

        2. juris imprudent   14 years ago

          Well know we know someone is doing a shrike-spoof.

          1. juris imprudent   14 years ago

            now, now, now

            One day that preview function will do its job.

    3. LarryA   14 years ago

      Amen. Please lose that graphic.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   14 years ago

    Whatever happened to that Loughner guy, anyway? Does he even still exist?

    Anywho, it seems TIME magazine has gotten over the rush to civility of phrasing with this headline.

    1. Pip   14 years ago

      "Wisconsin's Governor Wins, but Is He Now Dead Man Walker?"

      Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

      1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

        I thought deficits, war, and the culture of violence were bad?

        Jesus, how do they keep up with their own platform?

        1. Doktor Zombie   14 years ago

          oh science, I loathe puns.

    2. Virginia   14 years ago

      Newsweek is news for the illiterate and USA Today is a glorified comics section. What audience does that leave TIME? Is Sean Penn his own demographic?

      1. Apogee   14 years ago

        What audience does that leave TIME?

        "Time is and always will be a magazine for children"

    3. Hazel Meade   14 years ago

      Now how will the editors at TIME feel if someone shoots Scott Walker? Huh ? HUH?

      Answer: I predict they won't even notice the irony.

  4. Colin   14 years ago

    Just today, Newsspeak came out with an article on how 2,500 people have been shot dead since Loughner, implying that, if only we had Big Brother controlling guns, they'd all be alive today -- happy and having fun, all the time.

    1. Tony   14 years ago

      Are you suggesting they'd all still be dead if we had stricter gun control? Some people think saving thousands of lives per year might be a worthy policy goal.

      1. Episiarch   14 years ago

        Go away. You are literally the most tiresome sockpuppet ever. The novelty is over. Do a new character. Something other than this utterly stale shit.

      2. Pip   14 years ago

        PARK YOUR FUCKING CARS!!!

        Go suck a diseased cock, Tony.

      3. Doktor Zombie   14 years ago

        Tony, how do you know they wouldn't have been stabbed or strangled to death?

      4. TrickyVic   14 years ago

        ""Are you suggesting they'd all still be dead if we had stricter gun control?""

        Why yes he is.

        You seem to imply they would not. Neither would be easy to prove but a couple of things are true, many of those did have legal guns, and some would have used something other than a gun. Thinking stricter gun conrol would have saved those lives is just being ignorant of human nature. When a human wants to kill, it picks a tool. Just because guns are an easy tool and common tool, doesn't mean they are the only tool.

        1. TrickyVic   14 years ago

          The absence of the most popular tool simply means pick the next best.

        2. Tony   14 years ago

          So the proliferation of a device that is specially defined to be an efficient killing machine has negligible effects on whether more people are killed?

          1. Really?   14 years ago

            I think it is specially designed to shoot rounds. Nothing more, nothing less.

          2. Doktor Zombie   14 years ago

            Ballpoint pens and golfcarts aren't designed to kill people, but they're remarkably efficient at it. Want to ban those, too?

          3. Old Mexican   14 years ago

            Re: Tony,

            So the proliferation of a device that is specially defined to be an efficient killing machine has negligible effects on whether more people are killed?

            You seem to be totally confused or ignorant about firearms. Unless a person is a very good shot, a pistol is NOT an efficient killing machine.

            The State is the most efficient killing machine of all time:

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....yrant.html

            http://www.guardian.co.uk/book.....ter-review

          4. DesigNate   14 years ago

            I know you are not fucking obtuse enough to believe that restricting law abiding citizens ability to obtain firearms is somehow going to stop fucking gun violence.

            1. Old Mexican   14 years ago

              Re: DesigNate,

              I know you are not fucking obtuse enough

              Forget it, DN - he is that obtuse.

            2. Tony   14 years ago

              Seems to have an effect on homicide metrics compared to other countries. Or maybe Americans are just more pissed off than most.

              1. TrickyVic   14 years ago

                "" Or maybe Americans are just more pissed off than most.""

                Maybe.

                But if someone is breaking into your house, and you called the cops, would you want them to show up with only a billy club?

                I have found that most anti-gun folk really are not anti-gun. They expect to have one arrive when they call 911. What I have found them to be are people who just want things their way without having to pay attention to the bigger picture.

                1. Enjoy Every Sandwich   14 years ago

                  I have found that most anti-gun folk really are not anti-gun. They expect to have one arrive when they call 911. What I have found them to be are people who just want things their way without having to pay attention to the bigger picture.

                  Exactly. They fancy themselves as morally superior simply because they don't carry or shoot the guns themselves; they pay someone else to do it for them. By that measure a gangland boss is morally superior too.

                  1. Tony   14 years ago

                    We definitely need cops with guns in this country. Mostly because everyone else has them.

                2. Apogee   14 years ago

                  ^This

                3. Chairman Sheng-ji Yang   14 years ago

                  If you deny yourself a useful tool simply because it reminds you uncomfortably of your mortality, you have uselessly and pointlessly crippled yourself.

              2. Old Mexican   14 years ago

                Re: Tony,

                Seems to have an effect on homicide metrics compared to other countries.

                Not the burglary/robbery/rape metrics, though. One does not walk through the streets of Paris without being mugged, or Rome... or London.

                Or Chicago.

                Or maybe Americans are just more pissed off than most.

                But not sufficiently pissed so as to kill each other in gun shows, it would seem.

              3. Edwin   14 years ago

                Tony, I accept that it may be possible that guns do NOT REDUCE crime, but it is certain that they do not raise it either. State-by-state statistics prove that. More guns does NOT correlate with more crime/deaths.

                What everybody should focus on is what methods/strategies by the cops lower crime. And whatever it is, Guliani and the metro area has it - I'm baffled at how safe it has become compared to just two or three decades ago. A young friend of mine syas he can wandre around brooklyn at all hours of the night. And even our "big city" here in Jersey, Hackensack has crime significantly lower than Jersey's own average.
                I'm still kinda chicken to go to these places, but I know that fear is completely unfounded.

              4. Lester   14 years ago

                http://www.thugreport.com/

                Maybe we just have more vermin.

                They do tend to kill each other.

              5. Tyler   14 years ago

                no, it really does not. For instance, there are twice as many fatal stabbings per capitain the UK as there are fatal shootings per cpaita in the US

                1. Tyler   14 years ago

                  capita, that is

          5. TrickyVic   14 years ago

            ""So the proliferation of a device that is specially defined to be an efficient killing machine has negligible effects on whether more people are killed?""

            Correct.

            It all depends on the intent of humans. Humans have killed millions of people before the gun was invented. Humans have proven they do not need a gun to kill. Removing guns would not necessarily related to lives saved because humans are crafty enough, and smart enough, to use something else.

          6. Mr. FIFY   14 years ago

            Tony, we will never have the risk-free, Nerf-coated society you seem to want. Give up.

          7. Saro   14 years ago

            So the proliferation of a device that is specially defined to be an efficient killing machine has negligible effects on whether more people are killed?

            So your theory is that gun shows are the most dangerous places on earth?

      5. Old Mexican   14 years ago

        Re: Tony,

        Are you suggesting they'd all still be dead if we had stricter gun control?

        Yes.

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl.....oting-laws

        Oh, by the way - it took Google just 0.19 seconds to find a rebuttal to your stupid question.

      6. Michael Ejercito   14 years ago

        Are you suggesting they'd all still be dead if we had stricter gun control? Some people think saving thousands of lives per year might be a worthy policy goal.

        Of course not. After all, we all know River Phoenix's death was a hoax due to our extremely strict heroin controls.

      7. R   14 years ago

        Saving lives is indeed a worthy policy goal, but that doesn't preclude asking whether the means justify the end, or even whether the means will achieve the stated aim of saving lives.

    2. juris imprudent   14 years ago

      Of course leaving out that at least 1500-1600 of those were suicides.

  5. Tony   14 years ago

    Oh boo hoo. So the left lashes out at the nonstop gun rhetoric coming from the right after a mass shooting. What exactly are you guys doing here except contributing to the politicization of the issue? Your first sentence is a dig at KOS, then a bunch of whining about all the other meanie liberals. Meanwhile the right goes on not being very veiled about their violent revolution fantasies.

    1. Doktor Zombie   14 years ago

      nonstop gun rhetoric coming from the right

      now THAT'S funny.

      1. shrike   14 years ago

        yeah - five more teabaggers were arrested in a plot to kill a federal judge this weekend.

        Guess what - they are Joe Miller/Palin acolytes from Alaska.

        http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi.....hp?ref=fpi

        1. Doktor Zombie   14 years ago

          Cox, reports the Daily News Miner, considers himself a sovereign citizen (someone who believes that almost all forms of government in the United States are illegitimate), and said in a lengthy courtroom speech last year that he wouldn't cooperate with the court system.

          Yeah, that's sounds like someone who would vote for Palin. Are you on crack?

          1. shrike   14 years ago

            Absolutely. They were together in the AIP, they blab on like morons about Jesusland and exhibit the same gun fetish, and they both can't find Africa on a globe.

            I suspect you are of the Hutaree/Bircher/Promise Keeper ilk yourself - your type of fanaticism needs to be put into sunlight to exhibit your pathology.

            1. Old Mexican   14 years ago

              Re: shrike,

              Absolutely. They were together in the AIP, they blab on like morons about Jesusland and exhibit the same gun fetish, and they both can't find Africa on a globe.

              Nobody can find Africa on a globe, as Africa is firmly situated on the Earth.

            2. DesigNate   14 years ago

              Pretty sure anarchists that are willing to actually commit murder aren't lining up at the polling booth, just sayin.

              1. Libertymike   14 years ago

                Most of the sheople who do nothing to stop the state's never ending mass murder aren't lining up to vote either.

            3. Doktor Zombie   14 years ago

              Since I don't know what the hell "Hutaree/Bircher/Promise Keeper" means, I say you're wrong about me. I come by my Libertarianism honestly. It is not the result of some pathology or fanaticism.

              1. shrike   14 years ago

                If you haven't discovered the wingnut right-wing militia yet I predict the Halcyon days of your batshittery are yet to come.

                1. Old Mexican   14 years ago

                  Re: shrike,

                  I predict the Halcyon days of your batshittery are yet to come.

                  Sounds funny coming from you...

                2. juris imprudent   14 years ago

                  Now THAT is irony on steroids.

            4. Apogee   14 years ago

              I suspect you are of the Hutaree/Bircher/Promise Keeper ilk yourself

              You think like a KKK Kleagle. Rather than debate individuals or ideas, your only course of action is to falsely categorize people and then attack your straw palace. Only You know what "those" people are like...

              1. shrike   14 years ago

                Google has detailed descriptions of the right-wing nutcase factory.

                Try it.

                1. Mr. FIFY   14 years ago

                  Using the SPLC parameters, roughly half of all U.S. citizens are Klan-woshipping homophobes. With guns.

                  And shrike buys that kind of shit-for-brains logic.

            5. cynical   14 years ago

              What the fuck does a fundamentalist take on gender roles in marriage have to do with militias?

              1. R   14 years ago

                My guess is that he got "Promise Keepers" mixed up with "Oath Keepers".

        2. Bristol   14 years ago

          I told mom not to promote judge killings, but she never listens to me. If only shrike were my mother. Then daddy could fuck him in the ass 'till he screams "YOU BETCHA!".

          1. shrike   14 years ago

            Quit defending the stupid whore. Palin can't garner a dime bid on Intrade.

            Obama is $62 and Romney is $12 - (Huck is $4 and I bet on him)

            I bet on the Huck - the SoCon Fundie assholes are the #1 voting block in the GOP - I expect my Huckster bet to pay off 10x after he fools the GOP brain-dead base.

            1. Doktor Zombie   14 years ago

              So.. your source of keen political insights come from.... Intrade?

              BWA HA HA HA HA HA

              1. shrike   14 years ago

                No, its a MARKET for political insight backed by dollars.

                Unlike your insipid opinion there are consequences involved in a market.

                1. Old Mexican   14 years ago

                  Re: shrike,

                  No, its a MARKET for political insight backed by dollars.

                  It's actually no better than sports gambling.

                  Unlike your insipid opinion there are consequences involved in a market.

                  Yes - the same as in sports gambling.

    2. Old Mexican   14 years ago

      Re: Tony,

      So the left lashes out at the nonstop gun rhetoric coming from the right after a mass shooting.

      Read: So the left lied. So what?

      What exactly are you guys doing here except contributing to the politicization of the issue?

      Read: Pointing out that they lied is just politics.

      Meanwhile the right goes on not being very veiled about their violent revolution fantasies.

      Read: Even though the left lied, it was not really a lie because the right is kooky, so there.

      The ethics lectures from Tony must be fascinating.

      1. Michael Ejercito   14 years ago

        The ethics lectures from Tony must be fascinating.

        What else can you expect from his kind?

        Read Leviticus 20:13 for God's view.

    3. Hazel Meade   14 years ago

      Meanwhile the right goes on not being very veiled about their violent revolution fantasies.

      And you'll be one of the first againct the wall when that Revolution comes.

  6. Name Nomad   14 years ago

    I'd (almost) like to see someone armed with a spear successfully stab multiple people in a crowd just to see how the media would react.

    1. Libertymike   14 years ago

      Especially if the crowd was a cop roll call.

    2. Robert   14 years ago

      I've long had a fantasy image in my mind of human shishkebab, a bunch of people lined up just right so they all fit on the same skewer -- and the ones behind the one in front don't even see it coming!

    3. Mr. FIFY   14 years ago

      A call for an American version of shit like this?

      http://gunsandknivestakelives.com/

    4. Ted S.   14 years ago

      Assault Envelopes

    5. Harvard   14 years ago

      [I'd (almost) like to see someone armed with a spear successfully stab multiple people in a crowd just to see how the media would react.]

      You've forgotten the boxcutters already??

  7. Robert   14 years ago

    Have I mentioned enough times how much I love that picture? It makes a bad day feel a little brighter. Just the look on that face says you can face any adversity.

    1. shrike   14 years ago

      He is just another "sound money" yokel like Ron Paul - the vacuity and desolation is prevalent in their starstruck eyes.

      1. Old Mexican   14 years ago

        Re: shrike,

        He is just another "sound money" yokel like Ron Paul

        He is not and, besides, sounds odd that you would consider anybody that espouses a sound currency as being a yokel, as it would indicate you espouse having UNsound currency.

        1. shrike   14 years ago

          We already have a sound currency - realists like myself don't just equate it with a shiny metal.

          1. Old Mexican   14 years ago

            Re: Shrike,

            We already have a sound currency - realists like myself don't just equate it with a shiny metal.
            [...]

            So the US government was populated by surrealists during the Bretton-Woods era? Was FDR a surrealist when he confiscated the people's gold in 1933?

            The fact is, you don't have a clue of what you're talking about.

            1. shrike   14 years ago

              I know this cold you idiot.

              FDR needed gold for redemption purposes - which went away under Nixon.

              Now we have a $14 trillion debt and $380 billion worth of gold. A gold standard now would mean immediate insolvency.

              1. Old Mexican   14 years ago

                Re: shrike,

                I know this cold you idiot.

                FDR needed gold for redemption purposes - which went away under Nixon.

                "Redeption purposes"? You mean with the other surrealists?

                Now we have a $14 trillion debt and $380 billion worth of gold. A gold standard now would mean immediate insolvency.

                It would only mean reevaluation of the dollar, but not insolvency - I would certainly not be insolvent. Besides, your reply looks nothing better than a pragmatic fallacy.

                Also, you avoided the question: Was the government populated by surrealists from 1933 to 1971? Was the whole country populated by surrealists before 1933?

                1. shrike   14 years ago

                  This is where you are completely lost.

                  If the dollar were marked to gold holdings then everything else would have to be too.

                  Bonds, mortgages, insurance, equity and so forth.

                  So now you are a Nixon Wage and Price control fanatic to the nth degree - now including all financial instruments.

                  Total fail.

                  1. Old Mexican   14 years ago

                    Re: shrike,

                    This is where you are completely lost.
                    If the dollar were marked to gold holdings then everything else would have to be too.

                    And?

                    Bonds, mortgages, insurance, equity and so forth.

                    Of course - there would be a correction as assets are reevaluated. But you said there would be insolvency - how could that be? At least *I* would not be insolvent as I do have gold and silver holdings. If what you're saying is that YOU would become insolvent, well: not everybody is as foolish as you, shrike.

                    So now you are a Nixon Wage and Price control fanatic to the nth degree - now including all financial instruments.

                    Saying that requires a great leap in logic. I cannot fathom whence your conclusion comes.

                    1. Caesar tossed my salad   14 years ago

                      I cannot fathom whence your conclusion comes.

                      About half a fathom north of his ankles.

      2. Robert   14 years ago

        That's it -- you can read anything you like into that face. If "sound money yokel" brightens your day, then I guess it works for you too.

  8. Mendacious Douche   14 years ago

    Numerous commentators and journalists began blaming Republicans, Tea Partiers, and libertarians...

    ...as anarchists rejoiced over the possible murder of a politician.

    Take it away, Episiarch!

    1. Warty   14 years ago

      Your reading skills are as poor as your insult skills. And I still don't give a shit about the shitbag Congresswhore.

    2. Episiarch   14 years ago

      Are you actually so fucking stupid that you can't tell the difference between "I don't give a shit" and "yeah!"? Wait, of course you are that fucking stupid.

      1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

        I have a new word for you for your TEAM RED/TEAM BLUE rants: Kadavergehorsam. It's German, of course, but derived from a Latin expression, apparently.

        Literally, it means "corpse-like obedience", but the dictionary meaning is "blind obedience."

        1. Episiarch   14 years ago

          It's too long. It's cool, but it won't flow in a rant.

          1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

            It's practically a one-syllable word for German.

            Use it for sub-rants, then.

      2. Curly Episiarch   14 years ago

        I try to think, but nothing happens!
        Nyuk nyuk nyuk!

  9. Old Mexican   14 years ago

    Nor did most Americans blame loose gun laws or the other scapegoats invoked in the days after the murders.

    Our resident statist fucks did, however.

  10. P Brooks   14 years ago

    For the love of god, isn't there another photo that can illustrate these articles!?!

    C'mon, show a little backbone, wouldja?

  11. P Brooks   14 years ago

    Are you suggesting they'd all still be dead if we had stricter gun control?

    Would you be happier if they'd all been pushed outta windows?

    1. TrickyVic   14 years ago

      I don't think he would be happy unless we are all eating with plastic knives.

      I'm not sure if the gun has passed metal blades in over all killings yet. The blade has a long history.

      1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

        Serrated? You can cut stuff with serrated plastic knives, you know.

        1. TrickyVic   14 years ago

          True. It's a little harder to kill with, but the plastic knive doesn't have a history as a killing device. I was sticking along that line.

          1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

            We must be totally safe from crazy people. Perhaps we could be sealed in some sort of polymer?

            1. TrickyVic   14 years ago

              Yeah, if only someone could invent a device to protect us from crazy people. Something lightweight and easy to carry. Something that could travel distance very fast. Perhaps with a repeatable event in case there was more than one crazy person.

              1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

                Maybe a device like that would be okay, provided that it were controlled by a robot.

                1. Jim   14 years ago

                  Or, failing that, was only to to be used by highly trained experts exhibiting a "new professionalism", if you will, and these Nietzschean supermen would work for the government, thus ensuring their impartiality and that they would be beholden to the taxpayers that they serve and treat them with respect and dignity.

                  Yeah, that's the ticket.

                  1. Caesar tossed my salad   14 years ago

                    Don't tase me, bro!

                  2. me   14 years ago

                    Yeah, and ones trained not to trip and accidentally beloved grampas. and not to shoot through walls and through the heads of sleeping children. and to not get addresses wrong and shooting innocent neighbors. and on and on.

                    1. me   14 years ago

                      God damn it!!! of course it's "shoot beloved grampas". Jesus Christ I'm a fucking idiot.

  12. P Brooks   14 years ago

    We already have a sound currency

    Wheeeeee!

    1. shrike   14 years ago

      Treasury buyers are snapping them up!

      10yrs are less than 3%!!!

      I am a market guy - Libertarians (the Cro-Magnon type) are always wrong.

      1. Episiarch   14 years ago

        shriek, you are so fucking dumb, it's stunning. I've seen athlete's foot fungus smarter than you. I've seen Michael Bay films smarter than you.

        1. Jim   14 years ago

          Whoa, whoa...there's no need for that kind of thing, Epi. I mean, you just crossed a line. I mean of course shrike equates roughly with an advanced lichen, but Michael Bay? Either dismiss shrike or don't, but let's not invoke the B word.

          1. Jim   14 years ago

            On second thought, you may have been right. I had to re-read his posts because the idiocy didn't fully break through my sanity-filter the first time. Kind of like robot heaven.

            1. Episiarch   14 years ago

              I don't break out the B-word lightly, dude. But in shriek's case, it's deserved.

              1. shrike   14 years ago

                More "say-nothing" nonsense from two financial illiterates.

                Sometimes an Insult-a-thon is fun! Not today for me though.

                1. Episiarch   14 years ago

                  shriek is the person who lottery winners go to for financial advice. He's that smart.

                2. Jim   14 years ago

                  I never even said anything about finances, so how do you know how literate I am?

                  That having been said, I do favor a proposal to use oak leaves as paper currency, and acorns as coins.

      2. Gilbert Martin   14 years ago

        "Treasury buyers are snapping them up!"

        Tell it to Bill Gross.

      3. Saro   14 years ago

        You're the worst character ever, shrike.

  13. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

    I've seen Michael Bay films smarter than you.

    I say, that was uncalled for.

    1. Episiarch   14 years ago

      It had to be done. Because it's true.

      1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

        He'd be in his rights if he called you out.

  14. Libertymike   14 years ago

    shrike-

    I know that you are smarter than the average athlete's foot fungus. Its just that Epi thinks it better to apply desenex to your posts rather than patiently waiting for their intellectual quality to improve.

  15. 1980 Redux   14 years ago

    And once again, we see the hypocrisy of the commiecrat party and their socialist stooges.

    Vote for freedom, vote GOP!

    1. Episiarch   14 years ago

      I think we've found someone who may be even dumber than shriek!

    2. Almanian   14 years ago

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

      Oh, you're serious? Dumbass.

    3. 1980 Redux   14 years ago

      There are some pretty intelligent guys on this board, like Gregory Smith. Read his posts; he knows his stuff.

      1. Almanian   14 years ago

        Again I say....

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

        Oh, you're serious? Dumbass.

      2. Caesar tossed my salad   14 years ago

        Yeah, that's it baby, a little more to the right, uh-huh.

  16. P Brooks   14 years ago

    Treasury buyers are snapping them up!

    BEANIE BABIES ARE THE NEXT NEW THING!

    Film at eleven.

  17. TeamBarstool   14 years ago

    deranged college dropout named Jared Lee Loughner

    I saw this same wording in the Local Tucson fish wrap over the weekend. He didn't drop out.They forced him out. He was too strange for PCC. Don't come back until you've had a psych evaluation. We don't care what what you do but just don't do it here. Between this and the Sheriffs dept here ignoring his deaththreats , allota CYA is going on in Pima county

  18. sloopyinca   14 years ago

    C'mon, people. I set up a NCAA Tourney bracket for H&R posters. It takes like 10 minutes and I assure you all it will be rectal-free.

    Here's the link:

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    The password is: jacket

    Progressive scoring applies. One point for Rd 1, 2 for Rd 2, etc. Play-in games don't count, so brackets must be done by Thursday at noon.

    Also, the only rule for the thing is: no rectal. I can't stand that fucking idiot, so she is banned. Anyone who cannot abide that rule is an idiot, so they don't belong anyway. Fuck 'em.

    1. sloopyinca   14 years ago

      Picks aren't due in until the first game tips Thursday at noon. Also, you can keep your e-mail confidential, so that's no biggie.

      I hope this doesn't count as blog-whoring because technically it is as much for everyone as it is for me.

      That said, perhaps if a few of the editorial staff jumped in here and promoted this...say in the morning links or something, we could all have a little fun with a topic that's a hell of a lot lighter than the outstanding writing we've come to know and love here.

      *Also, I'll get a new subscription to the print edition as well.

    2. Robert   14 years ago

      From the mention of "rectal-free" I thought it was for a NCAA wrestling tournament.

  19. Isaac Bartram   14 years ago

    Seems to have an effect on homicide metrics compared to other countries. Or maybe Americans are just more pissed off than most.

    A really simpleminded person might come to that conclusion.

    Others might recognize the different history and demographics of America.

    And yet others might actually read some of the history of gun control in the world and realize that some countries that started out with almost no firearms homicides to begin with passed gun control legislation and have seen firearms homicides increase ever since.

    The US, on the other hand has seen two major homicides spikes, once after the passage of Prohibition and another after the passage of The Gun Control Act of 1968 The latter almost exactly coincides with the ramping up of the drug war as well, so your choice of causes is optional.

    1. Tony   14 years ago

      So "demographics" are an excuse for our homicide rates, our poor healthcare metrics, probably our poor education metrics too? And yet so completely beside the point in every case.

      1. Enjoy Every Sandwich   14 years ago

        If you look at the history of gun control in nations like Japan and the U.K., you will see his point. The laws weren't even passed as crime control measures; this is in common with the U.S.

        For instance, NYC's "Sullivan Law" was triggered by xenophobia.

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  25. Lost   14 years ago

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  26. Buck O'Fama   14 years ago

    "Civility" is just the Left's way of saying "Shut up when we're yelling at you!"

  27. JeremyR   14 years ago

    This misses the whole point - the idea was to remove any chance (however remote) of Sarah Palin being president.

    They set up a smear so bad she couldn't really refute it, and when she did, it was even worse.

    Granted, she always had a high negative rating, but this boosted it even more so.

    It's all about controlling the narrative, to be on the attack against the right. And it works. Every single time, because the right is too wimpy to fight back. And by the time facts come out, no one cares any more. It's the ratchet effect.

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