Chivalry Is Dead Was Murdered by Zero Tolerance
A Virginia middle school student has been suspended for . . . opening the door for a woman whose hands were full.
"Students are not allowed to open the doors, and if anyone does, they will be suspended," said Dr. Wayne K. Smith, executive director of administration and personnel.
A districtwide policy prohibiting students and staff from opening doors to the outside was recently adopted after a $10,800 security system was installed at the middle school, Southampton High School, Southampton Technical Career Center and Nottoway, Meherrin and Capron elementary schools. Riverdale Elementary had a similar system installed when it was built three years ago.
All of the schools' doors are locked during the day. Visitors must ring a buzzer and look into a camera before office personnel can let them in.
Smith said everyone knew about the policy and its consequences. The middle school student was the first to be suspended for opening a door. Smith did not say how many days of suspension the unidentified student received.
You can't be too careful. Your average middle school, high school, or college can expect to see an on-campus shooting about once every 12,000 years. If Southhampton Middle School hasn't had at least one shooting since 10,000 B.C., they're really just on borrowed time.
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every time I think zero tolerance can't get any more ridiculous, I get proven wrong . . .
Welcome to "Planet Dickhead"! Meet our leader...Dr. Wayne K. Smith!
I hope the kids trick all of the teachers and office staff to going outside the building at once, then refuse to let them back in.
That would be *awesome*!
Imagine Ferris Bueller redone for the modern era.
Where are we, in the Independence Day world? Are there aliens trying to break through the doors?
I'm still old-school enough to open doors for other people. Guess I'd better steer clear of Virginia.
Are you a middle school student?
No, but if they treat innocent children like this, how do you think they treat adults? Probably an automatic tasering at the very least.
Just electrify door handles. It's for the children.
I just hope they're providing adequate air support for the school.
Get the kids out, leave the administrators in...nuke the site from orbit.
Get the kids out, leave the administrators in...nuke the site from orbit.
its the only way to be sure
Hyperbole is the language of libertarianism.
No, you're right, it's rational to treat schools as prisons.
Here's a government school moment: My wife can't pick up our kids for lunch and bring them back. This include our 18-year old high school senior. We live two miles from the school.
Back in my day, students who had turned 18 could sign themselves out of school at any time. We also had smoking (and non-smoking) bathrooms in our high school. No shit.
Now you kids get off my lawn!
I started signing myself out in the late eighties when I was sixteen. Though the first few times involved a four mile overland hike home. Eventually someone noticed and I was called into the office and told I wasn't allowed to do that, did I understand.
I indicated that I understood.
And went right on doing it, because the clipboard effect works just fine on dickhead vice principals.
My HS years were back in the 1960s.
What is "signing out?"
Clearly they need some sort of password/response system.
As 'authorized' people approach the sandbagged bunkers of the school, they'll yell out "Thunder!" and the occupants of the bunkers will respond with a hail of bullets.
Here's a government school moment: My wife can't pick up our kids for lunch and bring them back. This include our 18-year old high school senior. We live two miles from the school.
See my comment below. That's an abduction. And I had no idea you were such an old man.
Juniors and seniors used to be able to go out for lunch all on our own when I was in high school. I'll have to ask my niece if that's still the case.
High school?!! We did so in grade school!
It depends completely on the school and the school district. I graduated in 2005, my sister a few years later, and my brother is in his junior year.
I was allowed off-campus for lunch as a junior/senior, then they started to move towards closed campuses. My sister was allowed off-campus her junior and senior years, but had to drive past a school official to confirm that no underclassman were in the car. My brother is not allowed off-campus for lunch, period. Half an hour after the first bell rings, the campus parking lots are gated and locked, and are left that way until the last bell. Administrators will open the gate if someone needs to leave for an appointment or the like, but it is a huge waste of time (for them, and the student who has to wait for them).
I think it is an insane proposition, especially since they require everyone who stays on campus for lunch (which is everybody now), to stay in the area immediately surrounding the cafeteria. I remember the cafeteria being hugely packed back in the days of being able to leave for lunch, I can't imagine how bad it is now. Heck, as an underclassman I often didn't get to eat, because it took too long to get through the line and they would run out of food.
I walked to my grandmother's house every day for lunch from my sophomore year to when I graduated. Funny, I don't remember bringing guns back and shooting the school up. But that must be due to all of the non-drugs I took during my meanderings. Or maybe it's just the milk, sandwiches and Its-its that grandma pushed on me everyday.
What the fuck's wrong with this country?
Hyperbole is the language of libertarianism.
Whiny ass little cunt likes to fucking whine. WAAAAH! Bitch.
how do you think they treat adults? Probably an automatic tasering at the very least.
Do you have a dog?
You should steer clear of Virginia all together.
I survived a Balko post!
Open the door, doggie!
I survived this Balko post, and all I got was a lousy nut-punch.
Grrrrrr!
A Threat! BANG!
You mean: BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG! BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!
Did we get 'em yet?
Come on, Balko! It's for the kids!!
And of course we had to spend 10,000 dollars of tax payer money to satiate these morons. I read this just after I finished watching a bloggingheads TV with Ann Althouse and Tim Noah. Noah was so unthinkingly ignorant and smug it was just appalling. Althouse kept making one reasonable argumetn after another and Noah just kept smugly repeating the same tired talking points and talking right past Althouse.
I mention this because I think a good portion of society has lost the ability to think. Worse still that portion seems to inhabit influential positions. Whether it be journalists like Noah incapable of seeing anything but the approved liberal talking point or these people installing a 10,000 dollar security system fit for a federal prison in a middle school, it is the same phenomenon.
We are just doomed. What do you do when 40 or more percent of your society not only is too stupid to think critically anymore but also is armed with credentials and occupying important and powerful positions?
La revoluci?n!
I'll leave for America, like both of my father's parents did about a century ago.
Oh . . . crap.
Amazing, isn't it? We keep spending more and more on education and no one gets any better educated.
Maybe we should buy a $10,000 alarm system. And a few more counselors, and a lawyer, and 3 assistant principals.
When did people start turning to him again as a pundit? It makes me laugh. Timothy Noah? I thought he was gone from my life.
IIRC, he always was a reflexive Democratic talking point just waiting to be asked.
"a good portion of society has lost the ability to think"
You can't lose something you never had in the first place.
Presumably this is to prevent strangers from leering at the delicate little blossoms which inhabit the classrooms. Teachers- still okay.
I bet the system is either made or sold by a company that has connections to the local superintendent or school board. Always follow the money in these kinds of cases.
Stop right there!
I don't doubt it. I see a lot of good-ol'-boyisms at the district I work in.
But...but...but...THE CHILDREN!!!
Screw the little angels. Metaphorically speaking, that is, as opposed to how seriously teachers seem to take that position(s) these days.
Now, if we were to have "money follows the kid" voucher funding for public education and no government owned schools, this wouldn't happen. And if by some random twist of fate there were to be such monumental morns infesting the leadership of a school, that school would rapidly go out of business. Problem solved....
Same solution would solve the "restrictions on teachers unions" debate in Wisconsin. If teachers are not public employees they can unionize (or not) in any way they please.
Same solution would solve the "how do we improve education" problem.
Isn't it amazing how problems just magically disappear if you do things the right way to begin with?
Quickest way to kill a conversation at a dinner party. suggest closing the public schools in favor of just about anything. vouchers, charter, home school, trade schools, apprenticeships .. these all lead to the dark side or something.
If it's that boring a party, definitely bring up the subject just to see the gnashing of teeth.
So let me make sure I understand correctly. No students or staff are allowed to open any door to the outside. Is this a school or a fucking prison?
To ask the question........
I think they're just prohibited from opening the doors from outside...not that it makes the policy any more useful or less retarded, but they can still get out if the building is on fire (provided the fire doesn't get to the security system and jam the locks shut.)
but they can still get out if the building is on fire
Can responders get in? Probably something that they didn't 'think' of.
Not unless properly screened first.
But if evildoers can't get in the school, there won't be any fires in the 1st place.
Problem Solved.
I wonder if they allow Republicans or Libertarians in?
You'll have to wear this Level 4 NBC suit at all times.
MOPP-4 NBC suit.
they can still get out if there's a fire.
What don't you understand? He said ZERO tolerance.
There is a precedent. Anyone else remember the incident in Saudi Arabia where a bunch of girls were burned to death because the "morals police" wouldn't let them out of the building?
There is a precedent. Anyone else remember the incident in Saudi Arabia where a bunch of girls were burned to death because the "morals police" wouldn't let them out of the building?
See, the problem with reading Balko on a regular basis is that this doesn't even get my rage meter turned on. They didn't call the cops and have the kid arrested, they just gave him a one-day suspension.
I hope we have a few more Fridays where this is the most outrageous thing Radley can find.
You mean isolated incidents really are isolated incidents?
No, they happen quite a bit. Hell, my home city (Omaha) has seen quite a few police controversies this past year (head of the CSI unit planted evidence, another, separate evidence planting ring by OPD officers is under investigation, a cop was ensnared in a pedophile or ephebophile sting, another cop raped a prostitute.) And the department here actually tries to hold bad cops accountable.
Well, you might be seeing so many "controversies" simply because the department doesn't have a total Blue Wall of silence culture. After reading enough Balko and the like it's easy to assume that other departments are the same or worse, we just seldom find that out unless directly involved.
It's a maximum-security middle school.
I mention this because I think a good portion of society has lost the ability to think.
That's the feature of compulsory education.
Suspension from school - is this a punishment or a reward?
Civilization is fucked.
This is especially stupid since all the recent high-profile school shootings I know of have been perpetrated by students or school workers, not outsiders.
The article is pretty vague on details, such as whether the office can unlock the door remotely (like an apartment buzzer) or someone from the office has to physically walk to the door and open it. If the former, they could put a sign inside the door that lights up when the person outside has been approved for entry, and have people inside allowed to open the door only when that light is on.
Now you're thinkin'! Just send us a P.O. and we'll get right on it.
This is especially stupid since all the recent high-profile school shootings I know of have been perpetrated by students or school workers, not outsiders.
Why the weasel words. Can't you look it up on google? Fucking chump.
Tulpa|3.4.11 @ 5:10PM|#
I know you're always careful to stick weasel words into your comments, NM -- it's a common sophist technique of making bold-sounding statements that you can claim you never made once someone calls you out on it. If you have access to reason.com, you have access to google, so why didn't you just search for the correct figures?
Turner said the policy that prohibits anyone from opening doors was part of making the security system work.
So the security system really doesn't work and the kid got suspended for proving it.
What they need in that town is some wild bears or cats running after kids who won;t be able to run into the school for safety.
Haha, seriously. So is he saying their security "system" relies on voluntary compliance?
if we were to have "money follows the kid" voucher funding for public education and no government owned schools, this wouldn't happen.
Crazy talk!
This comment has been forwarded to the SPLC, DHS, and the Center for Disease Control.
It's for your own good.
The real lesson to be learned here is this: if you are a child molestor (or a mass murderer), you should wear a fireman's helmet and a raincoat when trolling for your next victim(s).
Or just get a job as a teacher.
You're so MEAN!
Imposter. Had you been a real public school teacher, you'd have written:
"Your so MEAN!"
Well, I think he should get paid twice as much.
The stupidest part of the article is the headline and lead sentence. How misleading. The student was not suspended for chivalry. Come on Radley! (if that is your real name). Plus where are the pertinent details. Who was the lady? A teacher known to the student or a stranger? etc. etc.
She was a secret mulsim carrying explosives.
She was carrying explosives OUT of the school? What the fuck kind of chemistry program they got tharr?
whoops. guess I need to RTFA next time.
Not to defend the school, but I believe the justification isn't so much to prevent shootings as abductions.
Oddly, though, I went K-12 in public schools with external doors left unlocked, no metal detectors to walk through and no drug dogs. I don't know how my classmates and I could possibly have survived.
I hate to break it to you, but...you didn't!
I see dead people, too.
..that in your day, a few students must have sneaked out of school to play hooky. In today's America, that can't be permitted.
Not to defend the school, but I believe the justification isn't so much to prevent shootings as abductions.
Every day kids are abducted from their schools by adults, taken home, made to do their homework, given dinner, put to bed, and then sent back to school the next morning-- for it all to happen again the next afternoon.
Stop the cycle of violence!
Stop the cycle of violence!
It's inherent in the system, you see.
It would be more outrageous is the student was suspended for opening the door accidentally .
Many of the more outrageous zero tolerance policies result from using strict liability.
Fuckers who change their punctuation mark just to get around incif are fuckers.
INCIF is for wimps and commies. If you don't want to read someone's comment, there's a scroll bar over there.
Says the go posting under a fake name.
go? guy. Ugh. I think Im brain damaged.
That, or you went to public school in the last 10 years. Or you taught it, one of those three options.
Zero tolerance policies should have reduced the ability needed to be a principle and superintendent. Used to be, they would have to exercise judgement, weigh circumstances and work out a solution. This is not the case any more. Therefore their pay should have gone down. Why didn't that happen? Can we make them choose between zero tolerance and pay cuts?
Aren't school shootings usually perpetrated by people who are, you know, authorized to be in the school?
Nice to see a nod to Lenore Skenazy here. Confluence of my two favorite feeds.
The problem is not just that one student gets suspended but that all the students are taught to think that obedience to the rules is an end in itself and more important than fairness and justice. The result in the long term will be a society where minor infractions of the rules are punished everywhere with the same injustice and intollerance.
I am finally getting my point across.
As far as I could tell, the administrators at the schools I attended would have considered that a desirable feature.
Kings don't open doors either.
A person following a second through a door intended to be secure is called a "piggy-back." Off hand, I can think of two rape-murders in my large city in the past five years made possible because the murderer was permitted to follow into the building a resident who had the code.
" Off hand, I can think of two rape-murders in my large city in the past five years made possible because the murderer was permitted to follow into the building a resident who had the code."
So, what's your point? If you have a system designed to accomodate one individual at a time that easily allows for multiple entrants, then wouldn't that be a HUGE FUCKING DESIGN FLAW? If your security system requires a 100% participation rate of all parties involved in order to become remotely effective, then your security system is 100% ineffective.
At my kids' middle school, a student who was violently shoved through window by another much bigger student was suspended for breaking the window. Then they sent the parents a bill for the window.
Nothing shocks me anymore.
What was the name of the school and all parties involved?
Y'know, when I was going to school, the administrators were known as "Mister" So-and-so, not "Doctor" So-and-so. I gotta say, the "Misters" did a hell of a lot better job running the place than the "Doctors."
So did the Sisters.
Rule of thumb: people who insist on being "Doctor"ed for their Ph.D. (or worse Ed.D.) may be assumed to know, in their heart-of-hearts, that it signifies nothing.
Put it on your business card and leave it at that, already.
Might be a good idea to verify whether their PhD thesis was googled and copied together rather than actual hard scientific work.
What, you mean Americans DO that? Not just German politicians?! What an outrage!
There is little doubt where in America progressives have migrated.
I hate what our country has become.
Stuff like this is why vouchers and school choice are so important. What sane parent would send their child to such a school? If schools had to compete for students, nonsense like this would quickly disappear, along with the psycho-leftard administrators perpetrating it.
I doubt it.
Some people actually approve of this nonsense.
But sane people could opt out.
If this school is so dangerous, why aren't all the students issued guns?
+100
"Students are not allowed to open the doors, and if anyone does, they will be suspended," said Dr. Wayne K. Smith, executive director of administration and personnel.
Only someone with a PhD can be that stupid!
...with apologies to George Orwell.
You never know. It might be a Ed.D.
Win the Future!
Suspension is for wimps, let's put him in a box, bread and water for a month. You need to nip it, nip it in the bud!
Thank God for our education specialists, so well trained and credentialed. If only we could find a president as well qualified.
Public schools are nothing more than idiot factories. Using my tax dollars to train pigeons to do the foxtrot would be a more intelligent use of public funds.
I do kind of worry about the effects of this kind of thing on civil society. I'm in Western Mass and we've had a lot of snow this winter, but then some rain, and then more snow. The area I live in is big on recommending that people take the bus or walk, but is not very good at all about seeing that the sidewalks get cleared. The sidewalk in front of the building my office is in is covered with a sheet of ice that used to be snow- it's not a flat sheet, but is still marred by the boot imprints that were made in the snow that turned into the ice that forms it. Imagine the surface of the moon as an ice sculpture. Our building also houses an agency that provides services to the handicapped.
The other day I came down the hill from the store near our office and saw a woman in a wheel-chair completely stuck at the opposite side of the crosswalk. I hate to admit it, but my first thought was "Damn, how am I going to cross the street now- she is in my way." But my better instincts took over once I saw how mired she was- there is just no way she was going to go anywhere without some help. So I came up behind her and offered to push her across the dozen or so feet of pocked ice that separated her from the ramp she needed to get to.
Once I started pushing her I had second thoughts. She was pretty heavy- easily 200 pounds, maybe 220. And her wheelchair was flimsier than it should have been for someone of her bulk. In order to move her I had to apply a lot of force, and there was a risk that I might dump her- not a big one, but a real one. I started to think about the liability issues if she came out of her chair and got hurt.
In the end she got where she was going safe enough, but... in retrospect the wisest thing for me would have been to get someone else officially designated by the government to do this, leaving her mired for a long time and costing god knows how much. At least they would have been pretty much immunized from liability.
Anyway, I do wonder if all the regs, all the tort issues, etc. that punish people for exhibiting the simplest decency aren't in part meant to weaken private civil society. It shouldn't take government action to move a woman in a wheel-chair 15 feet, and I think the fact that the regs lead to that instills bad habits in people.
This.
Of course the problem might not be "which government agency is supposed to handle this?". It might be "which government labor union covers this?". Heaven help the good samaritan who pushes a wheelchair 10 feet, when the contract with the city clearly mandates the work be done by a union employee, a supervisor, and a shop steward. On overtime.
Don't want to deprive hard working middle class Americans of their rights!
Who is officially designated by the gov't to unstick the wheelchair rider?
EMS, 1st on scene: Sorry, but for something this physical, we need the Fire Dept.
Fire Dept: Uh-uh. It's a stuck vehicle, not someone stuck in a vehicle; gotta call Streets & Roads.
Streets & Roads: We'd like to help, but this street is actually a reference-numbered route, so it's Highways.
Highways Dept.: This portion of the street passes thru a park, so it's Parks.
Parks & Recreation: Oh, this is a wheelchair. For that you need EMS.
@Robert: But once I had turned it over to any of those agencies it would have ceased to be my problem. I would have had to climb over a snowbank to get by her of course.
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and...
...umm...
And, to be fair, this is small-town New England. The first government agency on the scene would likely handle it with a minimum of fuss (and might even wonder why some passer-by hadn't just dealt with it.) They probably wouldn't even put in for hazard pay ;). But that would still be a ridiculous misuse of resources.
@Neu Mejican Cat got your tongue? Frog in your throat? Maybe you are choking. Though I fear my advice might come too late for you based on the timestamps I will suggest that if you are indeed choking on something you should run toward an area likely to have people in it while making the universal "I'm choking" gesture. With any luck you will find someone who can Heimlich you. If you survive your current travails you might take a leson from them- it is much more difficult to interpret inarticulate gurglings over the internet than it is in real life.
Zero Tolerance = Zero Intelligence
Fuck man, I went to high school in sunny Southern California where the campuses are spread out and there is nothing stopping a person from just walking onto campus from the street. I must have a horseshoe up my ass or something, how else do you explain neither me nor anyone on campus ever being abducted or raped?
I went to a similar high school in Southern California. If a gunman or some other whacko came onto campus, pretty much everyone knew that the best thing to happen was to get the fuck out of dodge and run from the campus.
For a security measure to be effective across time, it has to be applied consistently. If it's application is left to a judgment call, circumvention is no further away than the gatekeeper with the poorest judgment. Whether the measure is appropriate, or even beneficial, is certainly open to discussion, but penalizing someone for violating the measure once it's been put into effect is completely appropriate if you actually want to dependably receive the benefit of that measure.
Let me play devils advocate for a moment. Had the woman at the door been a woman with a bomb (unlikely, I know, but in this day and age not unheard of) and people had been killed because of the flouting of the security system, would you be lauding this boy for letting her in, or shaking your head at his stupidity? It looks different if the outcome had been different. The administrators are put in a tough position trying to safeguard the children and teachers at the expense of polite society. Not saying they shouldn't give some leeway to the boy just try to understand the liability in our sue happy, bomb happy society.
Bomb-happy?!?
Since when?
"The administrators are put in a tough position trying to safeguard the children and teachers at the expense of polite society"
Administrators are put in the position of following procedures. That's it.
If you're honestly worried about security, you would allow any adult to open-carry on campus. IF kids and adults weren't so pussified in the face of weapons these days, you could actually familiarize them with weapon nomenclature and teach them to disarm (and hopefully return fire) instead of my all-time favorite death-knell "call 911"
but oh noes guns r icky, we can't have gunz around teh childrunz
Beginning to see why a lot of people view a PHD in Education as a waste of time. Is anyone else concerned that the people responsible for teaching children how to think are often so bad at it themselves?
A PhD in Education is a waste primarily of two reasons.
1) Its a resume padder designed to inflate salary.
2) The work required for a PhD in Education is not very rigorous compared to other PhD programs.
3) The people who run Education departments in Colleges/Universities are usually people who were former Elm/Secondary teachers/staff. Very few are part of 'academia'.
So there is a bit of elitism going on with an PhD in Education, but a lot of the derision is justifiable.
reason 3 was added for some flavor.
#1 those who can count
#2 those who can't
Note: A PhD in Education is someone doing research on educational topics. Today, this includes a lot or research for private companies on how to best train their workforce. In fact, PhD's in areas such as Instructional Technology are almost certain to be found somewhere else than the public K-12 education system.
An EdD is a "principal's doctorate" -essentially, a terminal degree for public school administrators. If you are going to become a principal of a K-12 public school, this is your degree.
The student was not suspended for opening an ordinary door, he was suspended for opening a secure door in violation of published rules.
As rissec said, if following security rules becomes a "judgment call", then security drops to the level of the person with the poorest judgment.
A middle school should be secured against the entry of any random stranger who wants in. And malefactors routinely exploit reflexive courtesy to defeat security systems: i.e. "piggybacking" through a secure door.
A terrorist with a bomb? Highly unlikely. A non-custodial parent intending an abduction? Not so unlikely. Or a local drug dealer making a hand-off. Or a gangbanger looking for a particular target. Or a criminal looking to retaliate against a witness, or a witness's child.
And the other side of "zero tolerance" means that the policy is enforced without favoritism - the star athlete or principal's nephew won't get off. Isn't that a good thing?
These school administrators are f**king idiots. An idiotic zero tolerance policy is always invoked for one reason alone - no one individual has to assume the responsibility of exercizing common sense.
ONLY IN AMERICA...STRIKES AGAIN!!!!
and then you wonder why there is no respect for anyone anymore... shame, shame, shame!!!
This is a case of too much or not enough. Either the penalty is too much for common sense to tolerate or not enough to deter the student from the vile action. If no element of judgement is allowed (e.g. open the door for the principal who has just had a heart attack) then the penalty should be harsh enough that no student would dare open the door (e.g. 1st offence 1 yr expulsion or equiv. to bringing a loaded firearm to campus, no appeal process. Is it time to bring back stocks or public flogging?)
For reference: what is the penalty for staff opening the door (slam the door in your boss's face, see how that goes over). Based on the student, I would hope it is indefinite suspension w/o pay. If it's something like a verbal reprimand expunged in a year, I see lawsuits. Is anybody authorized to open the doors from the inside?
Perhaps it would be simpler just to weld the doors shut. The fire code probably requires so many doors, but security demands that they be impossible to use.
Thanks