This Area Is Certified Fourth Amendment-Free
When police in Sarasota, Florida were having a hard time tracking down drug dealers in a run-down apartment complex, they came up with a solution that police departments across the country must now be kicking themselves for not having thought up themselves: Just search everyone.
[T]he agency tried something it had never done before. It sought permission from a judge to search anyone and everyone who parked or set foot in the apartment complex parking lot.
More than a dozen officers and the city's SWAT team flooded the area. They had permission to detain and pat down anyone they saw in the area.
During the two-hour raid, a dozen people were searched and, even though officers justified the wide search by telling a judge no "innocent persons" congregated in the abandoned lot, only four people were charged with drug crimes. An 80-year-old man was among those detained, then released, during the operation.
A year later, the decision by Sarasota police to use an "all persons" warrant is being questioned by legal experts who say it gave officers unjustified power to search citizens with no evidence they were committing a crime.
In court this week, Judge Rochelle Curley upheld the legality of the search warrant. But an attorney for one of the men arrested outside the Mediterranean Apartments has vowed to push the case to the district court of appeal.
Those involved say a decision by the higher court could lead to a new precedent for police searches in Florida, essentially banning such broad searches or signaling approval for more widespread use.
The good news is that though the searches may have been an appalling violation of the Fourth Amendment, they were also wildly successful. For the last two years, Sarasota has been 100 percent drug-free.
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Sarasota has been 100 percent drug-free.
Sarcasm becomes you, Radley. Bravo.
what? He made that up?
[Citation Needed]
We're the only ones authorized to make stuff up.
us too
and us!
I was checking the calendar to see if it was April 1st, since this reads like a spoof posting. No one in the police department or court system saw that this was blatantly unconstitutional? Or they just didn't care for that "quaint" document?
Not much for lawyers, but a lot of people deserve to get their ass sued off. All the judges involved in this need to get impeached and disbarred for violating their oaths of office.
Not holding my breath.
Everyone is a criminal, so we're going to search them all. This, of course, excludes law enforcement and our elected and appointed officials.
We're doing this for your own good, civilian. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear!
I guess the LEO's really are becoming more and more militarized; the armed forces are the only group I know of that'll take on everything that comes down the road!
Well...them and prostitutes!
Judge Rochelle Curley is a proud graduate of the University of Oklahoma law school. I guess they don't do much constitutional law there.
She made a long journey from Milan to Minsk... to Tulsa.
boomer, sooner
BCS Champions this coming year baby!!!
They'll choke in the bowl game. Again.
BCS Champion is an oxymoron.
+ the internet
A year later, the decision by Sarasota police to use an "all persons" warrant is being questioned by legal experts who say it gave officers unjustified power to search citizens with no evidence they were committing a crime.
In court this week, Judge Rochelle Curley upheld the legality of the search warrant.
Oh, for fuck's sake.
Judge Rochelle Curley is a proud graduate of the University of Oklahoma law school.
Odd, I had her pegged as a Harvard Man.
So, all the DEA needs is an "All Persons" warrant covering the entire USA.
Would save them endless hours of paperwork.
But that would never happen because...oh wait, i guess this is a slippery slope.
We're pretty much already at that point. Im surprised the cops didn't go on the theory that the entire Florida coast is a border and due to homeland security considerations, the 4th amendment does not apply within XX miles of the coast (Sarasota being conveniently well inside that boundary).
That exception only applies to border enforcement agencies, not local police.
I don't think it would be too difficult for the local police to call a Fed LE agency and get one or two of their officers to show up and hang around for a few minutes. You see a lot of such "partnerships" between agencies at airports, bus stations, etc. "Joint effort," "multi agency task force," and all that.
Is it clear the warrant was based on drug trafficking or was the murder a factor in the decision?
Is it clear it's really necessary?
can't you use your own handle?
can you?
you are such an idiot-grow up helle
I'm heller, the above is an impostor of the real spoofer. Will the real rectal spoofer please stand up?
wtf, you idiot pick your own handle.
heller|2.16.11 @ 9:54AM|#
That's it, you're incifed you delusional bitch.
please do it
I don't know what you mean.
I hate you
Oh I get it. You caught me Rectal, I'm not really heller. You're just too smart for me I guess.
Oh I get it. You caught me Rectal, I'm not really heller. You're just too smart for me I guess.
Everyone is guilty until they prove their innocence by submitting to a search.
officers justified the wide search by telling a judge no "innocent persons" congregated in the abandoned lot
Words fail.
RC
OT but what do you think about the administration asking for a clarification on judge Vinson's HC ruling?
http://www.boston.com/news/nat.....th_ruling/
Only the unborn are innocent.
Now WHO'S naive?
sez who?
You do know they've caught fetuses 'bating on ultrasound, right?
Don't tell NARAL.
Janet Napolitano laughs at your puny "warrants".
This sort of thing has been tried before in places like Cabrini Green, I believe. Clearly and absolutely unconstitutional.
I'm beginning to think that having a brain immediately disqualifies one from being a judge.
well then obviously u cant be one...2 ez
That just cemented that you are the worst of trolls. How do I even...? Holy fuck.
Q: What do you call a lawyer who graduated in the bottom half of his class?
A: "Your honor."
As bad as this is, for a Friday, my nuts aren't that sore. I expect a doozy to follow later.
Im begining to think that due to chronic foot pain from daily ball kicks to hundreds of commenters that Balko may be letting the sarcasm demon out of his cage. First yesterday's set-up and home run and now the dripping sarcasm. I worry for Radley, he is going to snap one of these day.
I'd go poastal but I am on strike at the moment
I met Balko last night at the Nashville meetup, and I can accurately report that my nuts are safe.
And then I come in this morning and read his first post here of the day and my nuts are already aching.
Sarasota police can revoke the fourth amendment and a FUCKING JUDGE signs off on it?
Must be friday.
That's the setup Tman. You spent hours within range of his foot, and nothing bad happened, so you let down your defenses...then you get home, open up firefox, and WHAM!!! Honeyed Nut Crunch.
dont get ur libertarian hairs all twisted - "Experts say the limitations on search warrants are rigorous, and that police are required to show evidence that someone is involved in criminal activity before searching them."
I'd like to see how that can apply to everyone coming near this particular erea.
Seriously, did you even read the article? There was NO proof for ANY of these people, except for the vague assurances that everyone who steps foot here is undoubtedly a criminal.
put down that crackpipe jim & report to rehab.
No. I enjoy having sex while on crack. However, my crack addiction does not excuse you from offering a rebuttal to the point I made.
i gots ur re butt all on the sole of my jackboot
"The good news is that though the searches may have been an appalling violation of the Fourth Amendment, they were also wildly successful. For the last two years, Sarasota has been 100 percent drug-free."
Nice touch.
Wait what? It would "set a new precedent" saying that searching everyone at random in a geographic area defined by the police would be banned?
What the fuck?
I thought we had a document somewhere in a file cabinet in Washington that already forbade just such searches? What new fucking precedent is this?
I read it more as "If the Court upholds the searches,the ruling would apply throughout the District," freeing the hands of LEO to conduct more of the same.
Nice. This is why I grind my teeth when I read these stories on a national level. Cause sooner or later, they become a story in your own backyard. This is 45 min south of my town and it's just more grist for hating the trend of police becoming legalized thugs with paperwork.
And I know what people will say: "It doesnt matter, this is a bad corner in a crime ridden neighborhood, and people there are probably all criminals." But soon enough it will be deemed a "success" by the clowns enacting it, and it will spread ot your part of town and then you'll discover how comfortable a boot in your face can be.
And don't think that they'll concentrate just on the drugs - the fines and citations will be for everything they can roll onto you. Taillight out, tint too dark, unpaid parking tickets, etc. I love it!
Being tough on crime is fine until you realize that everything is a crime to these guys.
Fixed.
But the police only get the bad guys. I know because that's what I see on TV every night.
Where's Sovereign Immunity? Note to her: do not move to Sarasota.
I'm starting to save my company a lot on coffee expenses, because a good, swift kick to the groin wakes me up these days better than a cup of joe ever could.
They could have done this far easier. They could have declared that lot an airport terminal and then they would have had free reign to do pat downs, x-rays and strip searches of anyone that passed through. No need to get a pesky warrant.
Not to rain on your parade but rein reigns in this usage.
a dozen people were searched...four people were charged with drug crimes
33% success rate. Not bad for a government operation.
But it's 100% drug free!
Therefore, the ends are justified!
Next, we'll force everyone into ObamaCare at gunpoint. Look! No cavities! EVER.
plus we'll run the fat outta those teabag lardasses
Downthread, redeemed at least a little.
I'm amazed at how far and how fast the police have managed to chip away towards their ultimate fantasy of being able to search anyone, anytime, anywhere for any reason.
But the police only get the bad guys. I know because that's what I see on TV every night.
me too
good night.
Thanks