Taxes

ObamaCare's Unseen Costs

Taxes will go up under the new health care law-and the costs will be more than you think.

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On Tuesday, the White House decided to fight back against a tax-related rumor about the new health care law. Beginning in 2012, wrote Stephanie Cutter, the administration's head of health care messaging, employers will have to provide information about the value of your health insurance benefits on your W-2. But, she said, despite rumors to the contrary, "you will absolutely not pay taxes on these benefits." And then, to drive the point home, she continued

For months opponents of health reform have falsely claimed that the Affordable Care Act would lead to the taxation of health care benefits. The claim wasn't true when the rumor first surfaced, it isn't true today and it won't be true tomorrow.

Cutter should have stopped while she was ahead; her larger claim was wrong. As it stands, the Affordable Care Act will lead to the taxation of health care benefits. Starting in 2018, high-end health care plans will be subject to a 40 percent excise tax for any benefits that exceed $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family.

Indeed, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is chock full of tax hikes. And those taxes will cost more than you might think.

As health care blogger Avik Roy, working from a list published by Kiplingers, noted recently, the law puts in place new taxes on everything from indoor tanning beds to Medicare prescription drug plans. It adds a Medicare surtax to a high-earner's wages and increases the income threshold at which individuals can begin to deduct medical expenses on their tax returns. It sets up a top limit for how much employers can deposit into an employee's flexible spending account tax free and increases the penalty for spending health-savings account funds on items the federal government doesn't define as health care. And for certain high-earners, it even adds a new tax on expensive residential real estate sales.

And then, of course, there's the individual mandate, which, according to the administration, was not a tax when making the pitch to voters—but is a tax when making the constitutional case in the courts. Convenient!

All those taxes add up. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the health care bill directly calls for $420 billion in new revenue. (When "related provisions" are included, that figures rises to $525 billion.)  

Now, those tax hikes were supposed to come along with an estimated $143 billion in deficit reduction. But as economists have long known, taxes impose additional, unseen costs that go significantly beyond their obvious totals. Taxes don't simply transfer money from one activity to another: When Congress imposes a tax on a given activity, it discourages individuals from participating in that activity. That's why taxes are used to discourage certain behaviors. Tax smoking, and people will smoke less. Tax carbon, and individuals and businesses will use less of it.

The resulting decrease in economic activity from these taxes is referred to as deadweight loss. Estimates for deadweight loss on federal taxes range from 14 to 52 cents for each dollar of tax revenue, with some taxes creating more unseen losses than others. But no matter what, larger taxes mean greater losses.

In the case of the health care bill, those losses add somewhere between $157 billion and $229 billion to the law's total cost over the next decade, according to a recent estimate by Christopher J. Conover, a researcher at the Center for Health Policy and Inequalities Research at Duke University. If Conover's estimates, first published in a paper released earlier this week by the Cato Institute, are on the money, those figures more than wipe out the law's $143 billion in scored deficit reduction.

And that's assuming that the rosier projections about the law are true. There's good reason to think those cost figures are probably low: For one thing, the official estimates rely on Congress to slice $455 billion out of the nation's biggest health care entitlements—cuts that even Medicare's own actuary believes may not ever actually occur. Conover further estimates that if Congress were to fill the resulting void by hiking income taxes, that could make the deadweight losses even larger—by $237 billion, and perhaps by as much as $750 billion.

Would knowing all this have changed the outcome of the debate? Conover thinks it might have: "Because Congress does not include the excess burden of taxation in its cost estimates," he writes, "many members of Congress and many of their constituents were not aware of these additional costs. Had they been aware, PPACA may have struck even more members of Congress as not being a good deal, particularly in a weak economy."

It's a nice thought. It's also, unfortunately, too late. At this point, ObamaCare's taxes are law. Seen and unseen, we're stuck with them.

Peter Suderman is an associate editor at Reason magazine.

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  1. In a few weeks Obamacare is going to cost some Congressional Democrats something they didn’t see coming when they passed the thing.

    1. You can’t see the costs until you pass it. Much like a huge dump.

      1. the costs will be more than you think.

        Also, sometimes, like a huge dump.

        1. Basically, everything the government does is a lot like a huge dump. It’s good that we’ve cleared that up.

          1. based on the smell, I don’t think we HAVE “cleared that up”.
            But let’s keep trying, shall we? Starting with a clean sweep Nov. 2nd? If we change enough of the players, maybe we can slow down the growth of the pile…..

  2. the costs will be more than you think.

    We’ll see.

    1. And those taxes will cost more than you might think.

      More than I think? I’m already convinced this Satanically hellish and ill-conceived health care nationalization boondoggle is going to break the bank for real this time and obliterate our nation’s economy, not to mention completely unraveling our social fabric and utterly destroying our lives and liberty. How the hell can it possibly be more costly than that?

      1. I fear that the feds will use health care to push a liberal agenda and punish those they don’t like. Thomas Sowell wrote about this, so it is not just my far fetched notion. Easy to envision a scenario where a woman gets breast cancer and they look her up and find out she is a republican or contributed to pro life, and that affects her treatment and whether she is allowed to have certain procedures and when. No doubt that the program will be run by dem operatives. No doubt that many of the people making key decisions will be people like those at Acorn who were secretely filmed, ignorant, partial, prejudiced. infintely worse than dealing with insurance companies.

        the government has no right to have so much power. I resent it. Health care is not the point, control over the populace is the point.

  3. Is Reason suggesting that Obamacare will be expensive?

    1. Let me be clear.

      It will not be as expensive as doing nothing would, uh, is, uh, will be.

      1. What’s wrong? Forgot to turn the teleprompter on?

    2. Not when adjusted for fellation.

      1. Sexist!

    3. Expensive? Do you call an estimated $1.2 trillion over the next decade expensive?

      “Obamacare will reduce American workforce participation by the equivalent of two million full-time jobs in 2017, according to a new report by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). Work hours would be reduced by the equivalent of 2.5 million jobs in 2024, a tripling of the previous estimates.”

      see https://reason.com/archives/201…..-obamacare

  4. Stephanie Cutter, the administration’s head of health care messaging propaganda, … should have stopped while she was ahead; her larger claim was wrong.

    FTFY

  5. There is not one person in Congress that doesn’t know this.

    1. Sure we are.

    2. It’s possible to be venal and dumb at the same time.

      1. This is a very important concept. Politicians tend to be wily and good at manipulation, but dumb as shit in terms of everything else.

        “It’s a series of tubes.”

    3. There is not one person in Congress that doesn’t know this.

      So? It was a pissing contest of the worst kind and all that mattered was winning. All that other shit – the costs, the effects, the politics – was/is irrelevant. At least to the Dems who voted for it.

    4. There is not one person in Congress that doesn’t know this.

      So? It was a pissing contest of the worst kind and all that mattered was winning. All that other shit – the costs, the effects, the politics – was/is irrelevant. At least to the Dems who voted for it.

    5. There is not one person in Congress that doesn’t know this.

      So? It was a pissing contest of the worst kind and all that mattered was winning. All that other shit – the costs, the effects, the politics – was/is irrelevant. At least to the Dems who voted for it.

    6. There is not one person in Congress that doesn’t know this.

      So? It was a pissing contest of the worst kind and all that mattered was winning. All that other shit – the costs, the effects, the politics – was/is irrelevant. At least to the Dems who voted for it.

      1. Golly, I wasn’t aware off all of that ill-will out there.

  6. Wow, who would have guessed that?

    1. Oh, for the days when my President was an asshole that I could at least laugh at and maybe get drunk with after hours!

      Nowadays, my President could give a UN speech wearing nothing more than clown makeup and I’d be called a tea-bagging racist for giggling at his birthday suit!

      That, and our current leader seems too uptight to be a pleasant drunk to me; I’m pretty sure his drinking would involve him starting barroom brawls followed by weeping on a curb about how nobody has ever really loved him!

      1. We’ve discussed this. He wouldn’t start a fight if you gave him a fifth of Jose, cut him off from sex, tobacco, and golf for two weeks and told him his opponent wouldn’t fight back.

        1. Don’t take his iReggie away.

      2. “Oh, for the days when my President was an asshole that I could at least laugh at and maybe get drunk with after hours!”

        You can still have a drink with the president, if you cause a racial incident that threatens to derail his political honeymoon which causes him to say something politically incorrect.

  7. the true cost of ObamaCare will be greater than you might think.

    I don’t know… I can imagine quite a bit.

    1. You’ll pay it!

      1. I’ve outrun Imperial Revenuers in that pile of junk.

        1. Look, I can’t get involved. I’ve got work to do. It’s not that I like ObamaCare. I hate it. But there’s nothing I can do about it right now… It’s all such a long way from here.

  8. An old question, never an answer: How is it then that the majority of Reason authors…voted…for…the…guy???

    A community organizer (whateverthefuckthat is/was); with well known marxist amigos in his past; touting over and over a “FUNDAMENTAL change in the way things are done”; meant exactly…what to them/you?

    1. “the majority of Reason authors…voted…for…the…guy???”
      Please tell me this isn’t so…. I’ll never look at you guys the same way again…..

      *sadly walks away, wiping a single tear*

      1. Read it and weep.

        https://reason.com/archives/200…..-your-vote
        Peter Bagge: 2008 Obama 2004: John Kerry 2000
        Ronald Bailey: 2008 Obama
        Radley Balko: 2004 John Kerry
        Bruce Bartlett: 2008 Obama
        David Brin: 2008 Obama
        Tim Cavanaugh: 2008 Obama 2000: Ralph Nader
        Steve Chapman: 2008 Obama 2004: John Kerry
        Bill Kauffman: 2008 Ralph Nader
        Craig Newmark: 2008 Obama 2004: John Kerry
        Steven Pinker: 2008 Obama 2004: John Kerry 2000: Al Gore
        Ryan Sager:2008 Obama
        Julian Sanchez: 2008 Obama 2004: John Kerry
        John Scalzi: 2008 Obama 2004: John Kerry 2000: Al Gore
        Michael Shermer: 2008 Obama
        RU Sirius: 2008 Obama 2004: John Kerry 2000: Ralph Nader
        Doug Stanhope: 2008 Obama
        David Weigel: 2008 Obama 2004: John Kerry 2000: Ralph Nader
        Matt Welch: 2004 John Kerry 2000: Ralph Nader

        1. Radley, tell me this isn’t true.

        2. Nader!??! How is he anything close to libertarian?

        3. Genuine question here, not rhetorical or cynical: why didn’t Reason authors vote Bob Barr?

        4. And who’s surprised? They deny any leftward leanings around here. But in spite of the protestations, if you don’t lean leftward yourself, it’s easy enough to smell it.

          At the end of the day, gay rights and pot drive the decisions around here more than anything else. Pacifism comes up close behind.

          I’m probably forgetting a few other irrelevant priorities but those have clearly risen to the top of Reason’s priority list enough times to readily stand out.

          1. Reading, for example, the most recent Hit & Run posts, I don’t see these themes as clearly rising to the top of editorial priorities at all. You can check out the last (or any randomly selected) 50 posts, categorize them, and decide for yourself.

            And while I wish so many of Reason’s contributors hadn’t voted for Obama, I think the good achieved by their well-articulated advocacy for economic and civil liberties more than offsets whatever damage was done by their few votes.

            1. Your answer is, of course, correct. However, you can’t reason with many of the trolls on this site, particularly the ones who wandered over from Townhall or Michelle Malkin.

              1. I don’t think so. I’ve found most people very amenable to reason as long as they know an appeal to reasonability is not merely a pretext for putting them down. In many ways, the people from Michelle Malkin are very different culturally from me, and I’m guessing you as well. But I have no reason to doubt the sincerity of their desire for liberty, even if we disagree on some border cases, and I think in a world where all of us were less under attack, where culture war concerns loomed less large, we could all more happily coexist.

                Maybe it’s just the bottle of red zin talking tonight, but I think as culturally different as these folks may be, they’re fighting the good fight for liberty too in their way, and I wish them Godspeed. Or whatever an atheist like me is supposed to wish them.

              2. dailyKOS trolls are bursting with rationality, good will and a sense of fair play. Just don’t get them started on Ron Paul’s pecker.

          2. Fucking right. These idiot Reasonoids don’t realize the threat of taking God out of the Pledge and WMD’s.

          3. So basic human rights, less government regulation, and being against violent warfare is being left? You are confused sir.

    2. A) Republicans were coming off a shittiness binge.
      B) He had personal warning flags, but not much of a political career to analyze.
      C) To the extent he had one, it had mainly been inoffensive.
      D) His rhetoric was moderate and some of his campaign promises were appealing to libertarians.
      E) He’s a pretty decent campaigner. Just a shitty president.

      1. well, I voted based on the premise of “the devil you know”, so I held my nose and voted for McCain.
        And all you Kerry voters – what was it, just hated Bush that much? The war? Expansion of the executive? Probably nose-holding votes, too, eh? come on, admit it, how could you vote for Kerry without holding your nose?

      2. A) Republicans were coming off a shittiness binge.
        The underlying philosphy difference between the parties meant nothing then?

        B) He had personal warning flags, but not much of a political career to analyze.
        Which makes Harvard’s point methinks.

        C) To the extent he had one, it had mainly been inoffensive.
        Got more offensive as the campaign went on with Rev. Wright, Bill Ayres, etc., or not?

        D) His rhetoric was moderate and some of his campaign promises were appealing to libertarians.
        That explains volumns.

        E) He’s a pretty decent campaigner. Just a shitty president.
        When in doubt, always go with the campaigner.

        1. “The underlying philosphy difference between the parties meant nothing then?”

          Only to the extent it correlates to deeds. I’d rather vote for a guy who says the wrong thing on the campaign trail but has a history of doing the right thing in office, versus a liar who spouts all right lines without acting on any of them. Granted that the former applies to few, if any, politicians, certainly not to either presidential candidate. More of a philosophical comment.

          “C) To the extent he had one, it had mainly been inoffensive.
          Got more offensive as the campaign went on with Rev. Wright, Bill Ayres, etc., or not?”

          I was filing that under personal warning flags, rather than “political career”. Technically it was also political, but it wasn’t an application of government power.

          1. Full disclosure: Not an Obama voter personally. While I liked some of what I heard on the campaign trail, I’m too.. something.. to actually believe a politician’s campaign promises.

        2. He had personal warning flags, but not much of a political career to analyze.

          Nice try.

          His rhetoric was moderate…

          Only if you consider socializing the rest of the US medical industry “moderate”. It was clear enough that this is where he’d go, given the chance.

  9. It becomes more visible that the actual intent of Obama care is to take more money from the productive.

    1. And this was a secret of any kind, precisely when?

      I get the distinct impression that the majority who hang around this place a) do not understand or b) do not wish to acknowledge understanding, the meaning of the word “socialism”.

      You can call it Euro-Socialism, or Socialism-Lite, or whatever floats your boat. But the key word and its meaning is still there.

      1. Which is why, once the pot issue is marginalized and we’re out of Afghanistan, most Libertarians can return to just being run of the mill liberals.

        1. Which is why, once the pot issue is marginalized and we’re out of Afghanistan, most Libertarians can return to just being run of the mill liberals retards.

          You and your kind will mostly be remembered in much the same way as the parties opposing the NDASP in Weimar Germany were: unkindly, if at all.

  10. That’s socialized medicine for ya!

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  12. Maybe when Cutter said “it isn’t true today and it won’t be true tomorrow”, she meant it isn’t true October 12th, 2010, and it won’t be true October 13th, 2010.

    1. It all depends on what the definition of “is” is.

  13. Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008..

    Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

    If you Don’t care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this, and then lower your American Flag to half-staff, because the U.S. Constitution is already on life-support, and won’t survive much longer.

    If you do care then Forward this to as many patriotic Americans as you can, because our country is being looted and ransacked! TO THE WEAK-KNEED REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRAT?..TO ALL THE COMMUNIST IN THE IG,FBI,CIA,AND U.S. Senators and the left wing media outlets?..Wake up america!!!! This goverment is the most corrupt we have had in years. The good old boy network is very much in charge.Mr. obama and pelosi are the puppet masters.How many of their good friends benefited by the agreement ” what a farce. All of the u.sSenators voted for this. I am ashamed to say I voted for the these corupted self serving politicians.With good reason they picked an out of towner to be president.All u.s departments need an overhaul. We need to rid ourselves of the puppet masters and the dept heads that bow down to obama and pelosi.I am sick of the lip service I have been getting from these dummies over violations, their friends are getting away with.in the goverment . Barack Hussein Obama , threatens friends and bows to Mmslim.
    INPEACH OBAMA ,GOD OPEN YOUR EYES.///For us there are only two possiblities: either we remain american or we come under the thumb of the communist Mmslim Barack Hussein OBAMA. This latter must not occur.THE COMMANDER.
    OBAMA goes about his business by speaking the lie. II Thessalonians 2 says that he comes “with all deceivableness of unrighteousness.” Revelation 13:12 says, “and he spoke as a dragon….” Revelation 17 tells us that he was a false prophet, a prophet being one whose calling it is to speak and to teach. The armies of the world may have guns and tanks and bombs to bring people into submission; but the power of speech and ideas is a mighty power. In his initial attempts to destroy the cause of God Obama used a serpent to deceive the woman with crooked speech: “You will be like God.” Now he uses a “dragon” who speaks crafty, lying words. His speeches will be heard by millions who will hang on his persuasive rhetoric. The content as well as the form of his speech will attract. Like most false prophets, he will even be sincere and passionate. But he is a liar. He adds dashes of truth to the mix, so that his lie tastes like truth. He will use all the right catchwords, using the language of the church, even throwing in a Bible text or two. But he is the ultimate Liar, and will deceive many.
    OBAMA will use every tool available: school teachers, politicians, news broadcasters, artists, musicians, scientists and doctors, lawyers and businessmen. All will be pressed into the service of OBAMA to deceive men. But especially he will use those whose calling it is to persuade and to teach — men who claim to be preachers of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
    THE COMMANDER,,, REPOST THIS IF YOU AGREE .. THE END OF AMERICA.

    1. I don’t know about the rest of you but mw opposition to Obama, like my opposition to Bush, is based on serious issues and facts not wild conspiracy theories.

      1. I agree with you Brian, this guy shows up on every other blog. He writes the same thing over and over, which suggests he copies and pastes it. That said, one would hope that he would have at least edited it just enough to insert spaces and avoid using all sorts of weird punctuation, like the (,,,) or the (///).

        He is either the 1% lunatic fringe of the Tea Party, or he is a progressive trying his best to make the 1% lunatic fringe of the Tea Party look bigger than 1%.

  14. This article hurts my brain. Did any of the people in the administration or congress want to take the time to read this bill and analyze each item in it? No, of course not, because all they want to do is make history. Well congratulations, history has been made, now historians are having to find synonyms for words like “folly” and “hubris” otherwise they wont be able to finish a single paragraph without sounding repetitive.

  15. And concerning deadweight losses, these have already kicked in. I am an example of deadweight losses. I dont know what I am going to be paying and when I am going to be paying it. The uncertainty in the economy has pushed me to take measures into my own hands.

    I did NOT buy an iPad.

    When I returned my leased Jeep, which was the top model, I picked up the bottom model with ZERO bells and whistles to save money.

    I am NOT going to buy a home this year nor will I do it any time in the next decade based on my current doubts about the housing market. Obamacare is EVIDENCE that this administration and congress does not care about the economy.

    The number of things I did not spend money on grows daily. I dont buy DVD’s, I now rent them, (even the ones I want to own) and I limit my rentals on iTunes to one per week.

    I am reducing my income tax burden by contributing 18% to my 401k. Yes, I had to trim down on spending, but this act is half austerity on my part and half protest. I am not willing to pay for this shit anymore. People have actually told me that the more I pay now, the more I get back in tax returns later. Bullshit. If I pay taxes and the government holds onto it for a year, I am giving them a 0% interest loan and then I have to APPLY to get my own money back. I am about ready to stop paying ALL taxes (or as many as I can figure out how to avoid) until this shit ends.

    I am not the only person out there doing this.

    1. It cannot be done; inflation is a tax which cannot be evaded, avoided, or reduced via any act on the individual’s part except through buying things that retain real value–and the government just slapped a tax on buying and selling those things as well.

      1. I agree, but the more money we keep ourselves by not paying taxes, the less of an effect we will feel from inflation. If I need $100 to pay for something that a year ago used to cost $90, then it would be nice if the federal government didnt take $10 out of my pocket.

        Inflation is going to happen, but when it happens naturally, it is the result of an expanding economy and therefore payrolls will likely keep pace with inflation. The inflation we are creating is going to cause a major gap that will likely widen over time. The gap between payroll and cost of living will have an immediate and detrimental impact on the economy because it will create an unstoppable cycle where businesses find themselves unable to meet their payrolls and so they lay off people to keep pace with the growing costs of doing business. Unemployment will go up and further strangle the economy until it finds its natural equalization. Of course Obama is going to want to “do something” to “fix” this inflationary cycle and so we will do some form of inverted monitary easing, such as hiking interest rates. This will probably not do much to rake back in all the cash that will be out there and it will further irritate the housing markets because we went ahead and helped people who cannot afford a home to “stay in their homes”. We will have another cycle of up side down mortgages and the bank failures that come with them.

        If people stopped paying taxes, especially federal taxes, we as a society can save that money and more of us can weather the storm so that the inevitable second dip wont be so bad for everyone.

  16. Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008..

    Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

    If you Don’t care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this, and then lower your American Flag to half-staff, because the U.S. Constitution is already on life-support, and won’t survive much longer.

    If you do care then Forward this to as many patriotic Americans as you can, because our country is being looted and ransacked! TO THE WEAK-KNEED REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRAT?..TO ALL THE COMMUNIST IN THE IG,FBI,CIA,AND U.S. Senators and the left wing media outlets?..Wake up america!!!! This goverment is the most corrupt we have had in years. The good old boy network is very much in charge.Mr. obama and pelosi are the puppet masters.How many of their good friends benefited by the agreement ” what a farce. All of the u.sSenators voted for this. I am ashamed to say I voted for the these corupted self serving politicians.With good reason they picked an out of towner to be president.All u.s departments need an overhaul. We need to rid ourselves of the puppet masters and the dept heads that bow down to obama and pelosi.I am sick of the lip service I have been getting from these dummies over violations, their friends are getting away with.in the goverment . Barack Hussein Obama , threatens friends and bows to Mmslim.
    INPEACH OBAMA ,GOD OPEN YOUR EYES.///For us there are only two possiblities: either we remain american or we come under the thumb of the communist Mmslim Barack Hussein OBAMA. This latter must not occur.THE COMMANDER.
    OBAMA goes about his business by speaking the lie. II Thessalonians 2 says that he comes “with all deceivableness of unrighteousness.” Revelation 13:12 says, “and he spoke as a dragon….” Revelation 17 tells us that he was a false prophet, a prophet being one whose calling it is to speak and to teach. The armies of the world may have guns and tanks and bombs to bring people into submission; but the power of speech and ideas is a mighty power. In his initial attempts to destroy the cause of God Obama used a serpent to deceive the woman with crooked speech: “You will be like God.” Now he uses a “dragon” who speaks crafty, lying words. His speeches will be heard by millions who will hang on his persuasive rhetoric. The content as well as the form of his speech will attract. Like most false prophets, he will even be sincere and passionate. But he is a liar. He adds dashes of truth to the mix, so that his lie tastes like truth. He will use all the right catchwords, using the language of the church, even throwing in a Bible text or two. But he is the ultimate Liar, and will deceive many.
    OBAMA will use every tool available: school teachers, politicians, news broadcasters, artists, musicians, scientists and doctors, lawyers and businessmen. All will be pressed into the service of OBAMA to deceive men. But especially he will use those whose calling it is to persuade and to teach — men who claim to be preachers of the gospel of Jesus Christ. ===================Both communists and National Socialists prospered in this climate in which the common people powerfully rejected the whole concept of a liberal democracy.
    In the 2009 election campaign obama put himself forward as the strong and decisive leader which america had been longing for. As many have commented, all the Party really offered was order, discipline and authority since they had not drawn up any detailed policies ?quot; however, it was indeed the order, discipline and authority which the america were longing and craving for! Moreover the party made it clear that, when elected, they would form a dictatorship ?quot; not a democracy, but this, again, was exactly what the people wanted
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  17. A system this complex is almost impossible to regulate effectively, but no doubt we’ll keep trying.

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