The Lie of Fiscal Responsibility

How Democrats used deceptive accounting to make history with health care reform.

As Democrats made cable-news victory laps in the wake of securing the necessary votes to pass a massive legislative overhaul of the American health care system, there was much talk of history—making it, watching it, being part of it, answering its call. But Washington's true attitude towards history is that of an abusive conqueror; it's not something to learn from, it's something to triumph over. And in that respect, Democratic health reformers deserve nothing but congratulations. Thanks to their dogged efforts, history—along with the popular will of the American public—has been thoroughly trounced. 

Since the New Deal, American entitlements have consistently grown faster than projected in size, scope, and cost. Like unwanted houseguests, they cost money you don't have, and they can't be kicked out. Reform and repeal efforts are about as successful as kindergarten experiments with do-it-yourself haircuts. Indeed, the health care bill's very structure is a testament to this fact. Much of it is funded with changes designed to eliminate waste in Medicare and Medicaid—changes that could, or at least ought, to have been used to reform those programs, both of which are unsustainable. Yet the only way these changes were politically viable was if they were made in order to fund an all-new benefit. 

To hear the bill's supporters explain it, health reform constitutes a triumph of fiscal responsibility—lowering the deficit, extending the solvency of Medicare, and stifling the growth of health care costs. Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), a staunch pro-lifer whose last-minute decision to vote yes assured the bill's passage, was typical in his declaration that the legislation would provide "health security and financial security" to Americans. "This is a good bill for the American people," he told MSNBC. "We're not adding to the deficit. Indeed, the CBO says the bill will actually reduce the deficit over time."

This case was crucial to the bill's last-minute success. In the preceding week, it became increasingly clear that a number of votes were contingent upon the bill receiving certain scores from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). And when the scores—a $940 billion price tag for the first 10 years, $138 billion worth of deficit reduction in the first decade, and $1.2 trillion worth of reduction in the following 10 years—came through, many wavering Democrats hopped on board. 

But health care votes bought with promises of fiscal responsibility might as well have been bought with suitcases full of Monopoly money. The truth is that the bill is the exact opposite of fiscally responsible.

A little more than 24 hours after releasing the reconciliation bill's preliminary score—the one that picked up the majority of the headlines and votes—the CBO released another report, this one produced at the request of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.). It said that if in addition to the health care bill, the Democrats also pass legislation known as the "doc fix"—which would cost an additional $208 billion—the total effect would be to add $59 billion to the deficit over the first 10 years. 

Defenders of the reform bill now argue that the doc fix is a separate issue. But Democrats didn't always think so: Last summer's first draft of the House health care bill included the doc fix. And Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has reportedly used the provision to ensure support from the American Medical Association. Are we somehow supposed to believe that it's good enough to bargain with but not good enough to figure into the budget? 

Maybe the problem is something more elementary: Democrats just don't know how to count. Hard to believe? The CBO's letter also says that, contrary to administration claims, the bill won't both reduce the deficit and extend the solvency of Medicare. One or the other, perhaps, but not both. 

Nor is that the only double count. The score for the Senate bill includes $72 billion in revenues generated by the CLASS Act, a federally-backed disability insurance program. But that $72 billion is just premium revenue that will eventually have to be used to pay out benefits. The score counts that revenue anyway, despite the fact that, according to the CBO, it would likely add to the deficit in the long term

Eventually, the deficit damage starts to add up. Toss out a few of the bill's more fanciful assumptions—the implementation of the tax on so-called "Cadillac" insurance plans (already successfully delayed by a full five years by benefits-rich unions), cuts to Medicare payments, and a planned slowing of the growth of insurance subsidies—and the CBO reports that, two decades out, the deficit would spike “in a broad range around one-quarter percent of GDP”—something like $600 billion. Fiscally responsible! 

Why does all this matter? It's not just the cherry-picking of figures and the rhetorical deception, it's the country's overall fiscal future. Thanks to a spiraling deficit, the economy is chugging merrily towards a broken bridge over a rocky canyon—a fact that almost no one from either party is willing to do anything about. America, according to the CBO, is on an "unsustainable" fiscal path, and the nation's solid-gold credit rating may be at risk. So it doesn't matter how many times blinkered legislators repeat to themselves, "I think I can, I think I can": Nothing short of significant cutbacks to entitlement spending is going to magically transform the U.S. budget into the little engine that could.

Instead, politicians are paying for new entitlements by shifting money from unsustainable programs—money that ought to have gone toward getting America's fiscal house in order. 

Democrats made history all right—but only by sacrificing the future.

Peter Suderman is an associate editor at Reason magazine.

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  • Spoonman.||

    I'm increasing at a loss why the debt isn't a bigger issue in politics. Few complained about Iraq's role in it, and the fact that "deficit neutral" is remotely acceptable where "austerity" is necessary is just befuddling. Isn't there more to be scared of with regard to the debt?

  • ||

    When Republicans have declared that "deficits don't matter" it's over since Democrats have never even pretended to care about deficits.

    We are all deficit spenders now.

    We're not even Keynesians anymore. At least Keynes said there were supposed to be some "good years" when you ran surpluses to pay down the debt.

  • ||

    Mostly true except for 1993 when Democrats cut spending $275 billion without a single GOP vote in either chamber in the 1993 Budget Reconciliation Act that Republicans wrongly predicted would destroy the economy.

    But Dick "Reagan proved deficits don't matter" Cheney was a definite low point for fiscal responsibility.

    Of course he had a war to gin up.

  • ||

    Oh you mean the bill that turned the 1986 Tax reforms on their heads as it socked people for more taxes but with less exemptions. SA-WEET!

  • Michael Ejercito||

    Mostly true except for 1993 when Democrats cut spending $275 billion without a single GOP vote in either chamber in the 1993 Budget Reconciliation Act that Republicans wrongly predicted would destroy the economy.


    The Democrats today are much, much worse.

  • ||

    Agreed. Everyone is.

    The election of 2000 was the turning point into the shitcan.

  • Michael Ejercito||

    Although the slide can be traced to the 1896 election...

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    "We're not even Keynesians anymore. "

    Perhaps it might work well in theory, but when Keynesianism met politics, it became just a justification to spend more.

  • ||

    That's sorta my point.

  • Sean W. Malone||

    Never say something worked well "in theory" if it doesn't work in practice. Keynesian economics has had 100 years of opportunity to be tried and it always makes things worse precisely because it's justification for reckless spending, and contributes to the boom & bust cycles Keynes thought he was fixing.

    It's a *BAD* theory.

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    You said "When Republicans have declared that "deficits don't matter" it's over since Democrats have never even pretended to care about deficits."

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  • ||

    I'm increasing at a loss why the debt isn't a bigger issue in politics.

    The effects of the debt have been deferred very effectively, because the government was able to find plenty of suckers to buy their junk bonds. It doesn't become much of a political issue until the shit hits the fan.

    -jcr

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  • Nolan Scheid||

    Hello Spoonman,
    I wish I could see this another way.
    I think you hit an important point but it might just be too late. Now that the cat is out of the bag, I don't see an honest fix until after a total melt down of our and the world's economy.
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  • ed||

    Pelosi in all her septuagenarian ecstasy. There goes my breakfast.

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  • ||

    The truth is that the bill is the exact opposite of fiscally responsible.


    Really? Ya think so?

  • Brett L||

    Well, on the good side, I guess I'll just use my HSA to get the LASIK before Congress trys to confiscate it. I was gonna pay out of other savings eventually and save the HSA for you know, an actual health problem, but fuckit. I'm getting the Ted Williams package. Maybe I can use the rest of it to buy the cryogenics Ted Williams package, too.

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    The Lie of Fiscal Responsibility
    How Democrats used deceptive accounting to make history with health care reform.

    That's a bunch of poppy cock...

    They do the same shady tricks that Republicans do.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    It doesn't even say otherwise, and besides, who gives a shit?

  • ||

    We independents are getting damned tired of partisans screwing things up and then defending it by saying 'The other side does it, too!' A pox on both your sorry houses. Some kind of sea change is coming.

  • Mark||

    This really is the height of stupidity isn't it? It's like the wife in a financially dysfunctional marriage justifies the purchase of a new wardrobe on credit cards by noting her husband got a loan for a new boat.

    If he gets a new boat, she deserves new clothes, right?

  • ||

    "If he gets a new boat, she deserves new clothes, right?"

    Why not, if someone else is paying for it?

  • ||

    I thought it was "a plague on both your houses".

  • ||

    I wouldn't consider myself an Independent (I'm a registered Republican) but I completely agree with this sentiment.

  • Heather||

    True, both parties are guilty of deception. But that doesn't make it right. When my 8 yr old smacks my 5 yr old and then says "Well, he did it to me" I don't just sit back say "OK, your right, keep on hitting your brother!"

  • ||

    I do. Hours of pint-sized entertainment.

  • ||

    It really is like watching a bunch of children, in an "Lord of the Flies" kind of way.

  • kevin||

    I'm going to suggest you buy platinum coins or maybe silver bars cause no matter who's in charge they spend like drunken sailors.

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  • ||

    "Indeed, the CBO says the bill will actually reduce the deficit over time."

    This will be healthcare's yellowcake claim.

  • ||

    Presenting projections that go out further than 3 years is fraud. Believing projections that go out further than 3 years is stupidity. The CBO projections ---> garbage in garbage out. The Democrats gave them nothing but garbage to work with.

  • Johnny Longtorso||

    This will be healthcare's yellowcake claim.

    No, it will be "market failure" (i.e. the market failed to do exactly what the Dems want, no matter how unrealistic, and thus 'failed' to magically come up w/ enough money to pay for everything).

  • ||

    This is EXACTLY what they hope for. In their minds, the resultant economic meltdown and chaos will open the door to a total takeover because the "market failed".

  • ||

    Yes, I was suggesting that "market failure" is roughly analogous to "intelligence failure".

  • ||

    10:25 p.m. EDT, March 20, 2010: A moment in time which will live in infamy.

    216 treasonous Americans potentially accomplished with the stroke of a pen what England, Mexico, Japan, Germany, and the former USSR could not with all their military might.

    This reminds me of the conditions leading up to the civil war.

    Fine. Let's dance.

  • Tony||

    England, Mexico, Japan, Germany, and Russia already have universal health care.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Which is something this bill does not deliver.

  • Tony||

    More or less, it does.

    What it doesn't contain are the means to enact totalitarian imperial control over the planet, as Kant seems to think.

  • kinnath||

    Shut the fuck up Tony. Just go away.

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    Tony|3.22.10 @ 11:13AM|#
    "More or less, it does."

    More or less, it also flies to the moon.

  • ||

    So, tell us Tony: is this really going to work? Or are you already ginning up your "it's the fault of that damn laissez-faire capitalism" arguments?

  • Michael Ejercito||

    More or less, it does.

    What it doesn't contain are the means to enact totalitarian imperial control over the planet, as Kant seems to think.


    And this bill will increase costs .

    Great going, Chony. I guess the handwriting on Massachussett's wall did not matter to you people.

  • ||

    Excuse me Tony, dumb-fuck (but I repeat myself), but I was referring to the dismantling of the U.S. by hostile forces.

  • Paul||

    So then you admit Tony, that to achieve universal healthcare, all that's required is a decree that all people shall have it.

  • Brett L||

    How's the life expectancy in Russia? Still declining? Yes, that's picking the easy case, but it still proves that UHC has no inherent positive correlation with health outcomes.

  • Tony||

    Except that, all else being equal, access to adequate healthcare leads to higher health metrics. Not to state the obvious or anything.

  • Brett L||

    Um, except that Russians keep dying younger despite their UHC. So by your own example UHC does not necessarily guarantee "adequate" healthcare.

  • ||

    What metrics are those?

    After violent deaths are normalized out, the US has the highest life expectancy in the world.

    Of course, the US already has universal health care. It just doesn't have universal health insurance. Yet.

    I think we can look forward to closing that gap with the all the other countries' lower life expectancies.

  • ||

    "After violent deaths are normalized out, the US has the highest life expectancy in the world."

    Yes, but the US also has Tony. Russia wins.

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  • ||

    The fact in your statement is undeniable. Your resultant conclusions, however....

    Not to state the obvious, or anything.

  • Paul||

    Except that, all else being equal, access to adequate healthcare leads to higher health metrics. Not to state the obvious or anything.

    It does not. It does no such thing. Tony, I give you 100% unfettered access to the MRI machine in my garage.

    I don't have an MRI machine in my garage, but as soon as I get it, ye shall have access. So consider yourself on a waiting list. But at least you have "access" to care.

    Waiting lists don't improve health metrics at all. Not at all.

    Access to heathcare is an empty phrase. It means nothing except that somewhere there's a decree that you shall not be denied healthcare. It says nothing about when, how or if you'll actually ever receive the actual care.

  • ||

    "access to adequate healthcare leads to higher health metrics"

    I thought higher health metrics were due to things like higher life expectancy, and how long you can live with a chronic illness. Access doesn't have squat to do with it. And face it, one of the reasons we have "higher health metrics" is because of our current system. If socialized medicine were implemented long ago, you would not have the advancements you have now. Better drugs and technology aren't really priorities when they become government budget items. It's more like "Let's only allow 2000 colon cancer screenings for the entire state of VA so we can come within budget."

  • ||

    As a Canadian, I agree. We come to "The States" when we need some quality, quickly....

    BTW I think that stinks -- I feel sorry for the people who can't afford to "bail" ....

  • Sudden||

    Look at the UN report on global health care delivery. Ironically enough, the only category that the US was #1 in was ACCESS. The great irony of "universal coverage" is that people end up with longer queues and less access to medical procedures than even the uninsured here (who just carry a large debt after having their FUCKING LIVES SAVED, which seems like a decent trade off to me)

  • MWG||

    Yea, you're right... We really should try to be more like Russia and Japan. Idiot...

  • Draco||

    Apparently, judging by all of the replies this garnered, no one actually grokked the point Kant was making: that these countries had all tried to destroy the USA, but failed. And now our Congress has done it for them.

    In fact, I made a similar point last night in a different thread.

    Oh, and Tony, if you don't realize that this bill shaves years off of the life expectancy of the average American, you are quite stupid. Killing markets and innovation is the surest way to impoverishing, harming or killing millions. Every single American has just had his or her life expectancy reduced by this bill, and by all that will flow from it as we move ineluctably towards full, public financing and control of all health care.

  • Tony||

    Killing markets and innovation is the surest way to impoverishing, harming or killing millions.

    I'm pretty sure demand for healthcare isn't going away, so that market will persist.

    I don't see it written anywhere that a parasitic industry such as health insurance has any right to its profits, or even to exist. After all, the only "innovation" they engage in is ways to deny coverage. Sometimes the marketplace produces outcomes that are bad for people. Which shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who pays attention to anything.

    In the end your nonsense claim that regulating an industry will stifle innovation is all about preserving the corporate status quo. That's all this rhetoric ever amounts to. Sorry, industry has to contend with its environment, and that includes government regulation. Nobody's guaranteed a right to their current profits. Libertarians don't seem to realize this often enough.

  • ||

    In the end your nonsense claim that regulating an industry will stifle innovation is all about preserving the corporate status quo.

    You got it right, Tony. That's why the bill's defeat last night is causing multi-percent rises in insurance stock prices this morning.

  • Paul||

    In the end your nonsense claim that regulating an industry will stifle innovation is all about preserving the corporate status quo.

    This what Obama and the Democrats have just done, Tony. They have endeavored to preserved the status quo. They have mandated that all Americans shall buy their products, and all of the insurance monopolies have been protected by state mandates.

    The Democrats are the party of corporate welfare.

    Real healthcare reform (if you actually listened to real alternatives instead of arguing with the teabagger in your head) would have actually seriously shaken up the insurance industry. Real healthcare reform probably would have seen many of the larger insurance companies either going out of business, or having to radically change their business model to survive. At the least, many of those monolithic, democratically protetcted firms would have seen the influx of a large number of smaller competitors appear. Healthcare choice would rise dramatically, and there's a very good chance that real healthcare costs would drop.

  • ||

    Tony|3.22.10 @ 1:08PM|#
    "I don't see it written anywhere that a parasitic industry such as health insurance has any right to its profits, or even to exist."

    Your ignorance is very hard to believe.
    How do you think major healthcare would be paid for if not insurance?
    And the suggestion that a "right" to profit is negotiable says even less of your "intelligence".

  • Tony||

    So I have a right to profit from selling children into sex slavery? No, there are pesky freedom-killing government regulations that prevent sex slave entrepreneurs from pursuing their dreams.

    You have the right to participate in the marketplace (while abiding by its rules), you don't have the right to a profit.

  • ||

    You are right, Tony: Doctors and hospitals and drug companies do not have a right to profit from their labors. And when these people can no longer profit from their labors, they will quit laboring, and no one will have "access to healthcare." Which means in reality, there is no such thing as a "right" to healthcare.

  • The Libertarian Guy||

    Eventually, liberals like Tony will make it illegal/immoral for ANYONE to make a profit.

  • ||

    So you equate an exchange of services between consenting adults (a person buying insurance from a company) to the most vile, despicable act one person can impose upon the most innocent of our society?

    You are, by far, the most idiotic, most pathetic moron I have ever had the displeasure of encountering.

    I was going to ask you to provide the passage in the Constitution that entitles the government to the productivity of all my labor, (that I don't have the right to keep my profit) but the vast, gaping chasm that is your stupidity has proven you to be incapable of comprehending it.

  • Sean W. Malone||

    Tony, you fucking idiot, "demand" for health care may not be going anywhere, but the costs for producers to supply it are going to skyrocket!

    As a result, there will be fewer and fewer drugs & technologies that will be worth the cost of production, and THAT is what lowers innovation.

    You're failing to look at alternative futures - one where there is less government regulation increasing costs for producers in a sector with high demand, will result in greater supply. The more government imposes new costs (like $2 Billion in "fees", for instance), the more the industry must pay for government, and less for the product itself.

    Corporations like drug companies have no problems with this kind of stuff cause they're still going to make a ton of money either way, and in this environment they still get huge sums of cash for producing and risking less... Thus the reason stock prices went way up...

    YOU'RE the corporate tool, dumbass, and you don't even realize it.

  • Eric||

    "Nobody's guaranteed a right to their current profits."

    Let me correct that statement to match your worldview there, Tony: Nobody's guaranteed a right to their current profits... except government, which is guaranteed a right not only to its own profits (such as they are), but to everyone else's potential profits.

    BTW, considering that the current bill basically mandates that we all purchase healthcare from our health insurance overlords by virtue of being alive, I somehow doubt that the insurance industry is crying into its beer.

  • ||

    This precedent as any other will have dire unintended consequences such as draconian changes in tort law, social skews, and budgetary deficits in years to come. It's a further step along the road downhill which only proves the public wish to vote themselves more from the public coffers. There's nowhere to hide!

  • ||

    So, are those "wavering Democrats" who joined up after the CBO score came out

    (1) terminally stupid, or

    (2) criminally mendacious?

    Because I don't see a third alternative.

    And that goes double for the idiot pro-lifer Dems who took the executive order as cover. That executive order will be tossed out by the courts as an illegal impoundment, which I'm sure Obama knew when he signed it.

    "Stupak" needs to pass into the lexicon as the term for "weak-minded dupe".

  • ||

    There is a third option "all of the above". I saw last night where something like 60 people a minute were joining Supak's opponent's face book site. The liberals will never accept him because he is pro life. The conservatives view him as the sell out who gave us Obamacare. He truly doesn't have a friend in the world.

  • Paul||

    Who is Stupak's opponent? Undoubtedly some Kennedy-esque newcomer?

  • ||

    R C, you are much too forgiving. No congressmen really cared whether the CBO numbers were accurate. They know damn well that the books have been cooked. The same with the abortion crooks. They know funds will be spent on abortions. It was nothing but cover-seeking.

  • Dakotian||

    I agree. Its politics and politicians at their worst. They were just looking for something to cover their asses.

  • Almanian||

    Yes.

    Also, Detroit radio station WJR just played a clip of Stupak from Oct09, I believe, stating that he'd support the HC bill even if it did not contain a ban on abortion funding. Words to the effect - "if we tried our best and it was still in there, then I'd vote for the bill - we tried".

    So - who played whom??

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  • Almanian||

    At least the prick doesn't represent my district

  • ||

    If he just would have sold out to begin with, he would just be an anonymous Dem scumbag. Now he is the object of scorn from both sides. Don't think for a minute liberals are going to forgive and forget him damn near killing Obamacare.

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  • Nancy Pelosi||

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  • Xeones||

    So, are those "wavering Democrats" who joined up after the CBO score came out

    (1) terminally stupid, or

    (2) criminally mendacious?

    Why can't they be both?

    Also, at what point do revolution and self-defense of one's freedom start to coincide? I have a feeling we're getting close.

  • bigterguy||

    Yes. If I were sitting on a jury where someone had taken up arms against our government, I would have no compunction against 'jury nullification.'

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Cue the "Republicans did it too!" enablers.

  • ||

    The only consolation I have in this debacle is the fact that there is a 99% likelihood Pelosi peed her pants laughing that hard over fucking up America.

  • ||

    she probably already wears depends, so that wasn't much of an issue. Sorry.

  • ||

    Peeing yourself is peeing yourself, John. Even if she has a diaper to catch it. Just join me in an evil laugh, please.

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  • ||

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  • Johnny Longtorso||

    Any problems resulting from this bill will be blamed on its opponents' obstructionism. If everyone had supported it, they could have taken the time to fix the bill.

    All problems will be your fault for not giving them EVERYTHING they wanted.

  • Xeones||

    The only consolation I have in this debacle is the fact that there is a 99% likelihood Pelosi peed her pants laughing that hard over fucking up America.

    Pelosi lacks bladder control on the best of days, so odds are good.

  • ||

    Botoxed her bladder.

  • Rich||

    If you're not aware of Paul Ryan's remarks last night -- a decent summary of the situation, IMO -- please check them out.

  • Mark||

    +1

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    In economics, fiscal policy is the use of government expenditure and revenue collection to influence the economy. Fiscal policy can be contrasted with the way it works. Check this love link out to know more.

  • Bruce Majors||

    The Executioner's List

    Call Capitol Hill

    202 224-3121 and promise them retribution. Not just in their next race, but in their attempt to run for or be appointed to ANY office, and any private enterprise they will engage in in the future. And any member of their family.

    Yes votes for the health care bill:
    Ackerman
    Andrews
    Baca
    Baird
    Baldwin
    Bean
    Becerra
    Berkley
    Berman
    Bishop (GA)
    Bishop (NY)
    Blumenauer
    Boccieri
    Boswell
    Boyd
    Brady (PA)
    Braley (IA)
    Brown, Corrine
    Butterfield
    Capps
    Capuano
    Cardoza
    Carnahan
    Carney
    Carson (IN)
    Castor (FL)
    Chu
    Clarke
    Clay
    Cleaver
    Clyburn
    Cohen
    Connolly (VA)
    Conyers
    Cooper
    Costa
    Costello
    Courtney
    Crowley
    Cuellar
    Cummings
    Dahlkemper
    Davis (CA)
    Davis (IL)
    DeFazio
    DeGette
    Delahunt
    DeLauro
    Dicks
    Dingell
    Doggett
    Donnelly (IN)
    Doyle
    Driehaus
    Edwards (MD)
    Ellison
    Ellsworth
    Engel
    Eshoo
    Etheridge
    Farr
    Fattah
    Filner
    Foster
    Frank (MA)
    Fudge
    Garamendi
    Giffords
    Gonzalez
    Gordon (TN)
    Grayson
    Green, Al
    Green, Gene
    Grijalva
    Gutierrez
    Hall (NY)
    Halvorson
    Hare
    Harman
    Hastings (FL)
    Heinrich
    Higgins
    Hill
    Himes
    Hinchey
    Hinojosa
    Hirono
    Hodes
    Holt
    Honda
    Hoyer
    Inslee
    Israel
    Jackson (IL)
    Jackson Lee (TX)
    Johnson (GA)
    Johnson, E. B.
    Kagen
    Kanjorski
    Kaptur
    Kennedy
    Kildee
    Kilpatrick (MI)
    Kilroy
    Kind
    Kirkpatrick (AZ)
    Klein (FL)
    Kosmas
    Kucinich
    Langevin
    Larsen (WA)
    Larson (CT)
    Lee (CA)
    Levin
    Lewis (GA)
    Loebsack
    Lofgren, Zoe
    Lowey
    Luján
    Maffei
    Maloney
    Markey (CO)
    Markey (MA)
    Matsui
    McCarthy (NY)
    McCollum
    McDermott
    McGovern
    McNerney
    Meek (FL)
    Meeks (NY)
    Michaud
    Miller (NC)
    Miller, George
    Mitchell
    Mollohan
    Moore (KS)
    Moore (WI)
    Moran (VA)
    Murphy (CT)
    Murphy (NY)
    Murphy, Patrick
    Nadler (NY)
    Napolitano
    Neal (MA)
    Oberstar
    Obey
    Olver
    Ortiz
    Owens
    Pallone
    Pascrell
    Pastor (AZ)
    Payne
    Pelosi
    Perlmutter
    Perriello
    Peters
    Pingree (ME)
    Polis (CO)
    Pomeroy
    Price (NC)
    Quigley
    Rahall
    Rangel
    Reyes
    Richardson
    Rodriguez
    Rothman (NJ)
    Roybal-Allard
    Ruppersberger
    Rush
    Ryan (OH)
    Salazar
    Sánchez, Linda T.
    Sanchez, Loretta
    Sarbanes
    Schakowsky
    Schauer
    Schiff
    Schrader
    Schwartz
    Scott (GA)
    Scott (VA)
    Serrano
    Sestak
    Shea-Porter
    Sherman
    Sires
    Slaughter
    Smith (WA)
    Snyder
    Speier
    Spratt
    Stark
    Stupak
    Sutton
    Thompson (CA)
    Thompson (MS)
    Tierney
    Titus
    Tonko
    Towns
    Tsongas
    Van Hollen
    Velázquez
    Visclosky
    Walz
    Wasserman Schultz
    Waters
    Watson
    Watt
    Waxman
    Weiner
    Welch
    Wilson (OH)
    Woolsey
    Wu
    Yarmuth

    No votes on the bill:
    Aderholt
    Adler (NJ)
    Akin
    Alexander
    Altmire
    Arcuri
    Austria
    Bachmann
    Bachus
    Barrett (SC)
    Barrow
    Bartlett
    Barton (TX)
    Berry
    Biggert
    Bilbray
    Bilirakis
    Bishop (UT)
    Blackburn
    Blunt
    Boehner
    Bonner
    Bono Mack
    Boozman
    Boren
    Boucher
    Boustany
    Brady (TX)
    Bright
    Broun (GA)
    Brown (SC)
    Brown-Waite, Ginny
    Buchanan
    Burgess
    Burton (IN)
    Buyer
    Calvert
    Camp
    Campbell
    Cantor
    Cao
    Capito
    Carter
    Cassidy
    Castle
    Chaffetz
    Chandler
    Childers
    Coble
    Coffman (CO)
    Cole
    Conaway
    Crenshaw
    Culberson
    Davis (AL)
    Davis (KY)
    Davis (TN)
    Deal (GA)
    Dent
    Diaz-Balart, L.
    Diaz-Balart, M.
    Dreier
    Duncan
    Edwards (TX)
    Ehlers
    Emerson
    Fallin
    Flake
    Fleming
    Forbes
    Fortenberry
    Foxx
    Franks (AZ)
    Frelinghuysen
    Gallegly
    Garrett (NJ)
    Gerlach
    Gingrey (GA)
    Gohmert
    Goodlatte
    Granger
    Graves
    Griffith
    Guthrie
    Hall (TX)
    Harper
    Hastings (WA)
    Heller
    Hensarling
    Herger
    Herseth Sandlin
    Hoekstra
    Holden
    Hunter
    Inglis
    Issa
    Jenkins
    Johnson (IL)
    Johnson, Sam
    Jones
    Jordan (OH)
    King (IA)
    King (NY)
    Kingston
    Kirk
    Kissell
    Kline (MN)
    Kratovil
    Lamborn
    Lance
    Latham
    LaTourette
    Latta
    Lee (NY)
    Lewis (CA)
    Linder
    Lipinski
    LoBiondo
    Lucas
    Luetkemeyer
    Lummis
    Lungren, Daniel E.
    Lynch
    Mack
    Manzullo
    Marchant
    Marshall
    Matheson
    McCarthy (CA)
    McCaul
    McClintock
    McCotter
    McHenry
    McIntyre
    McKeon
    McMahon
    McMorris Rodgers
    Melancon
    Mica
    Miller (FL)
    Miller (MI)
    Miller, Gary
    Minnick
    Moran (KS)
    Murphy, Tim
    Myrick
    Neugebauer
    Nunes
    Nye
    Olson
    Paul
    Paulsen
    Pence
    Peterson
    Petri
    Pitts
    Platts
    Poe (TX)
    Posey
    Price (GA)
    Putnam
    Radanovich
    Rehberg
    Reichert
    Roe (TN)
    Rogers (AL)
    Rogers (KY)
    Rogers (MI)
    Rohrabacher
    Rooney
    Ros-Lehtinen
    Roskam
    Ross
    Royce
    Ryan (WI)
    Scalise
    Schmidt
    Schock
    Sensenbrenner
    Sessions
    Shadegg
    Shimkus
    Shuler
    Shuster
    Simpson
    Skelton
    Smith (NE)
    Smith (NJ)
    Smith (TX)
    Souder
    Space
    Stearns
    Sullivan
    Tanner
    Taylor
    Teague
    Terry
    Thompson (PA)
    Thornberry
    Tiahrt
    Tiberi
    Turner
    Upton
    Walden
    Wamp
    Westmoreland
    Whitfield
    Wilson (SC)
    Wittman
    Wolf
    Young (AK)
    Young (FL

  • Joel||

    Please don't ever do that again.

  • ||

    Look a list of all the heroes that stood up for the 30,000,000 Americans like me who have no Insurance and have been abused by the Health Care Comps. http://factcheck.org/2010/03/a.....-whoppers/

  • ||

    Rather, a list of traitors to freedom, who are taking away my right to choose the health care--both insurance and services--that I would like for myself.

    We've been abused ever since FDR put wage controls into place: ever since then, we've considered it Somebody Else's Responsibility to procure health care for us!

  • Mike||

    God bless these American heroes! It's good to know that there are people out there willing to sacrifice there own livelihood to ensure progress for the American people and not corporate whores.

  • Singing Cactus||

    Because nothing says "I'm not supporting corporate whores" like passing a mandate that people buy corporate products! [/sarcasm]

  • Sean W. Malone||

    / facepalm

  • ||

    Mmmmmm.....Cassidy Cummings!

  • ||

    Except that, all else being equal, access to adequate healthcare leads to higher health metrics.

    Assume a can opener.

  • ||

    If we all had equal access to really crappy healthcare, we would be in great shape. Look how well it has worked in Cuba?

  • ||

    Tony is The Man Opener.

  • Warty||

    I just started playing Oblivion. It's pretty bizarre to play Fallout in a fantastical world of whimsy.

  • ||

    I played it first so it was less weird. If they ever produced an Oblivion "2" they really need to work in VATS.

    I've been playing Mass Effect 2. Delicious.

  • ||

    Good to know. I'm pretty much done with Fallout 3.

  • ||

    It's even more bizarre to live in an America where bottle caps actually will be worth more than dollars.

    Capital Wasteland, here we come!

  • T||

    I'm working through the Fallout 3 expansion packs. I'm really enjoying wandering around DC and shooting everything that looks at me funny. Kind of wish fufillment at the moment.

  • ||

    What on earth makes anyone think this bill will increase access to adequate healthcare?

    Is anyone being denied treatment for an actual illness or injury right now, today, because they can't pay? Not really, no.

    Do countries with "universal coverage" have better access than we do? Actually, for the most part, they don't. Because of the shortages. And the waiting. And the state control over what is actually made available.

  • ||

    R.C. Dean, your a fool, 30,000,0000 people now have access to health care that didn't before. there is a big difference between emergency care and health care.. if you get cancer you can't get care in the emergency room!

  • ||

    If you get cancer, I wouldn't care in the emergency room nor in any other room.

  • Tony||

    Is anyone being denied treatment for an actual illness or injury right now, today, because they can't pay?

    Even if this weren't a lie, which it is, presumably in your world there would be no medicaid, medicare, or guaranteed ER treatment. So you wouldn't be able to disingenuously use those socialistic programs as an excuse for maintaining the status quo.

    Should people's access to healthcare be wealth-dependent or not? If not, tell me why it's a good idea to socialize it for the poor and elderly, but nobody else.

  • Almanian||

    How is a question a "lie"?

    To your questions: No. It's not, so stop that, too.

  • Paul||

    Should people's access to healthcare be wealth-dependent or not? If not, tell me why it's a good idea to socialize it for the poor and elderly, but nobody else.

    I'm not sure I understand this question. There's a lot of things we socialize for the poor an elderly that we don't socialize for everyone else. I don't pay for Bill Gates' electricity bill, or buy his dinner. Am I missing something here?

  • Tony||

    R C Dean is defending the status quo because he thinks anyone can go get treated if they really needed to. This, of course, is bullshit. If you have to choose between going bankrupt and getting necessary medical treatment, more people are simply going to die earlier because they will choose not going bankrupt or will postpone treatment.

    But most of the treatment people can receive is provided via government programs. I just don't think it makes any sense to defend the status quo against evil government intervention by saying, well you can always get poor enough to get on medicaid, or whatever.

  • Steff||

    If they choose to drop dead rather than file bankruptcy, exactly how is that my problem? If going bankrupt saves their lives, isn't that a fairly good trade-off?

  • ||

    Tony|3.22.10 @ 12:57PM|#
    "Should people's access to healthcare be wealth-dependent or not?"

    Define "healthcare", ignoramus.

  • ||

    Yes, it should. The world doesn't owe you a living.

  • Jeff Perren||

    "Should people's access to healthcare be wealth-dependent or not?"

    Absolutely it should. The alternative (leaving private charity aside) is to make slaves of the providers and any payers who are not the patients (or their willing relatives, friends, etc.)

    This is what Progressivism always advocates in the end: enslave some allegedly to provide for others.

  • ||

    Still not seeing where anyone is being denied care now.

    Millions of people who are uninsured get care now, even for chronic conditions. Its called "charity care" and thousands of hospitals, and their thousands of employed physicians, are in the business of delivering it.

    Even the sob stories the Dems trotted out in their last PR push turned out to be bogus - people who were, actually, seeing a doctor, or were, actually, eligible for Medicaid.

    Repeat after me: The only sick people in America who don't get care aren't looking very hard for it.

    This bill was not about health care. It was about control, and dependency.

  • Marc||

    All else equal, access to ponies leads to higher happiness metrics.

  • Veruca Salt||

    But Daddy, I want a pony too!!!

  • A is Awesome||

    There's a quasi-debate raging between one of my libertarian friends and one of my liberal (almost socialist) friends. Here's what it boils down to:

    "The healthcare reform is bad for facts A, B, and C." "Shut up, your'e stupid."

    Even the intelligent liberals know what's up, and they disregard it.

  • ||

    There is actually one sentient liberal in the world today. And it is Jane Hamsher of all people. She absolutely destroys this bill today. She does it from a Leftist perspective. But she does it really well and raises points any reasonable person has to agree with. It is worth reading.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....06026.html

  • ||

    It's a good fisking, but keep in mind that she's one of those pimping for single payer/universal care under the delusion that *that* will control costs without rationing.

  • $||

    Quick Quiz - Who Said It?

    "What company wouldn't love the government forcing the public to buy that company's product?! Imagine a bill that ordered every citizen to buy the extended warranty on all their appliances? Imagine a law that made it illegal not to own an iPhone? Or how 'bout I get a law passed that makes it compulsory for every American to go see [a] movie? Woo-hoo! Who wouldn't love a sweet set-up like this windfall?"

    Edited so it is not too easy.

  • ||

    It was a good read. Then the clowns came in on the comments thread. Wow. Notice no one deals with her factual assertions.

  • Michael Ejercito||

    President Nixon's price controls on health care will turn out to be less of a disaster.

  • ||

    There was a time in the 70s when wage and price controls were considered the right thing by all right thinking people. Fortunately that like this passed.

  • Michael Ejercito||


    There was a time in the 70s when wage and price controls were considered the right thing by all right thinking people. Fortunately that like this passed.


    Only after the actual experience of price controls (which includes price controls on health care).

  • ||

    This is a good bill for three of groups that are close to my heart. The cooperation shown here between public and private enterprise is a model for all future work done by Congress!

    1. We need to help big insurance companies by requiring that all people have to buy their products, in return the government gets the support of this lobby in expanding coverage for all those poor souls who are now underserved.

    2. The pharmaceuticla has to spend billions to make one new safe drug, in return the governemnt will provide several guaranteed revenue streams by expanding mandantory vaccines and in providing strict enforcement for Intellectual property, to make sure that the dog-eat-dog competive nature of companies doesn't destroy the valuable investments these companies make.

    3.The AMA is made up of people who have dedicated their lives to helping people. In return for their support of this bill the government will make certain that unqualified jerks don't start providing healthcare with wreckless cut rate prices and holistic gimmicks. Nurses and the self educated will be kept in their rightful positions:"cleaning bedpans", sure you may think you know how to diagnose a ear infection after a five week class but it really takes over a dozen years of schooling and we don't want kids to get treatment unless they pay the piper.

  • ||

    The Debt-Prius is speeding out of control. ObamaPelosi: "Push the fucking gas pedal! Harder!!!"

  • Darts||

    haha nice

  • h-dawg||

    I'm looking for some liberals to help me with my retirement:
    http://hodakvalue.com/blog/?p=2304

  • Draco||

    I'm actually calling for a strike of doctors and nurses if this becomes law. Or at least the threat of a strike. If just one out of three doctors and nurses says "it's quite simple, we won't practice under these terms" then Congress would have no choice but to repeal this. This bill is already going to squelch supply of medical services and boost demand, so a strike would just send the system into a tailspin from which it would never recover. And remember, doctors and nurses are wealthier and probably more conservative than the people at large, so it shouldn't be difficult to get one third of them to go along with this.

    Do you really think the Democrats would try to call their bluff and see if they'd let people die in the streets? Who do you think would be blamed in the end by the people of the USA for any resultant illnesses or deaths? The politicians? Or the doctors?

    In the end -- maybe not this time, but when this law evolves into something far worse and more draconian -- something like this will have to happen to stop people thinking that health care is a "right." If you have a "right" to something that someone else must provide, then, in the end you will need to enslave that someone.

  • Tony||

    If you have a "right" to something that someone else must provide, then, in the end you will need to enslave that someone.

    One wonders if you guys would have any argument to make if you didn't so freely dip into the stash of ridiculous hyperbole.

    Is it slavery that I have to help pay for armed forces to protect you?

  • ||

    Tony the Tiger, you're grrrrrrrrreatly uninformed about everything. The armed forces (at least in theory) protect not YOU, not ME, but the very distillation of liberty against its enemies. Liberty, by the way, that you, Tony the Tit, apparently love to see whittled away. Now get back to your cardboard cereal box and freeze.

  • Tony||

    We have a single-payer, socialist defense program. Glad we're agreed.

    I just have a little more imagination than you, and consider health problems an impediment to individual liberty--one much, much more common and threatening to the general welfare than armed invasion in this day and age, which we still manage to spend trillions of dollars defending against, with no whining from you.

  • Warty||

    A+. Whoever the real person behind Tony is, you're an artist. You should apply for some NEA grants or something.

  • ||

    We have a single-payer, socialist defense program.

    And they spend $600 for hammers, but with medical care they are going to decrease costs?

    How can you believe both things? Either socialized defense costs way too much and so will socialized medicine or they don't. How do you count one form of socialization as being efficient while admitting the other is not?

    Oh, you are a dishonest moron.

  • ||

    Not to worry, everything will be much better with single payer health care.

  • Tony||

    It happens to be the case that single-payer healthcare is more efficient than a patchwork market-based system. It's also the case that it's cheaper to pay soldiers than Blackwater mercenaries. Centralized, single single-payer services are more efficient. But that doesn't mean all government programs need to be as efficient as the marketplace. The whole point of the programs is to provide universal protection. The Post Office may not be as profitable as FedEx, but good luck getting FedEx to deliver to your remote shack in Bumfuck Montana. Healthcare should be the same: it's too important to be left to the calculations of profitmakers.

  • Jeff Perren||

    "good luck getting FedEx to deliver to your remote shack in Bumfuck Montana"

    Wrong again. I live in a remote shack in Bumfark, Idaho and FedEx has delivered everything from a king-sized bed to a 56 inch TV to a pair of snow boots to a package the size of a vitamin bottle to an ordinary letter-sized envelope.

    And they do it when the snow is two feet thick on the ground.

    They get paid. They deliver. Always.

  • ||

    First, you do know that the biggest reason there's no competition with the Post Office is that it's illegal. For that matter, I don't know if the Post Office will mail anything to my remote shack in Montana, either.

    Second, a single payer system is NOT more efficient than a patchwork of competing firms. A single payer system is a MONOPOLY, and a government-controlled one at that. Thus, it doesn't have the customer-provider feedback needed to reduce costs and increase quality.

    If single payer systems really were more efficient, it wouldn't have taken TWO YEARS for someone I knew in England to get hernia surgery.

  • Michael Ejercito||

    I just have a little more imagination than you, and consider health problems an impediment to individual liberty--one much, much more common and threatening to the general welfare than armed invasion in this day and age, which we still manage to spend trillions of dollars defending against, with no whining from you.


    So the government should provide free cyborg technology to all quadriplegics?

  • Tony||

    It should provide adequate healthcare to those who need it. If you want something more than adequate care, you can pay for it.

    And you know what the richest 1% can sacrifice some pocket change to pay for it. It's good for them, they'll have more customers for the useless trinkets they got rich selling (such as financial derivatives).

  • ||

    Tony|3.22.10 @ 3:21PM|#
    "It should provide adequate healthcare to those who need it."

    Define "adequate healthcare". Or shut up.

  • Steff||

    What's 'adequate', Tony?

  • Jeff Perren||

    This will come as a shock to you, but the evil rich guys are not your slaves, nor anyone else's. Their money is not yours to spend, nor their time, interests, or values to dictate.

    This is the bottom line of your philosophy: you believe in slavery, if it's for a cause or a value you like.

    You may snark that all that is hyperbole, but the day you admit that - as the communists were honest enough to do, unlike Progressives - the debate will get somewhere.

    You're getting close to admitting it here. Now just be completely honest. Repeat after me, "Rich Guy A is my slave and I have the moral right (and should have the political power) to control his choices."

    Once you reach that degree of honesty, you will feel better. It will also provide the rest of us, the minute you try to act on that belief, with the right to stop you by force.

  • ||

    “We have a single-payer, socialist defense program”

    This proves to me that you’re just some rinky-dink college kid with a Che/Mao poster, who is too “smart” to understand not just history, but the basis of society.

    The constitution mandates that the government be allowed to levy taxes to provide for the common defense of nation. This goes back to a very basic idea that each person should be free to pursue their happiness without outside hindrance. It’s kind of hard for a society to do that if it is under constant threat from some outside source. For example, let’s say… Britain. Therefore, the framers mandated that the government be allowed to make use of an army to protect its citizenry. We could apply this logic to the police force in your community. We all pay taxes of some sort so that these people can maintain order, and provide an environment in which people can work, play, pray, shop, whatever without too much fear of being harmed. In this case, there is a common benefit for everyone who pays their taxes. However, I do not benefit from having my tax dollars used to provide anyone else with healthcare. All of the problems people say we have explicitly because of the system in place today- like denials, high healthcare costs, etc- are still problems in other socialized systems. In Canada and the UK, you can still be denied access to treatment either outright or through the waiting list system. Anyone who has read the bill knows that premiums are still going to increase. Using my tax dollars for this system will not provide any benefit. They would be better off putting all the money into a pot and setting it on fire, because it’s the same thing. And you say that you “consider health problems an impediment to individual liberty”? That means you would need to seek and receive treatment to improve your health to pursue your liberty. So in Britain, if a woman is denied access to medication because the government deems it too expensive or if a child is denied her heart surgery because they do not have any more beds, or if people are allowed to slowly starve/dehydrate to death because their disease is going to kill them anyway- would you consider that healthcare system and “impediment to individual liberty”? And if so, why would you embrace it? And what makes that system any better than the one we have now?

    And please do not confuse the “common benefit” for socialism. The key difference being that one allows for individual choice and the other doesn’t. In a society nearly every interaction/decision provides some type of common benefit. And we typically make those decisions willfully and as informed citizens. We also decide how much of our labor/money is to be used for the common benefit. It doesn’t matter if I’m buying a car, going to work or raising money for a cause- each decision provides a common benefit and I get to decide how much I want to be involved or expend. With socialism/communism all means of production, including the worker and his labor, are pooled together and distributed by some central authority. You have no choice. You must work. And just because you work, does not mean that you will get your “fair share”. The central authority gets to decide how fair your share will be, not you.

  • Tony||

    This goes back to a very basic idea that each person should be free to pursue their happiness without outside hindrance.

    I agree, but I just count nature as one of those outside hindrances. Governments can and should do what they can to protect us in the event of natural disasters, right? Why not the universal and socially costly phenomenon of health problems?

  • Brian Trust||

    Free govenrment-provided Immortality Serums for everyone! Aging is an outside hindrance that serves as an impediment to my personal liberty!

    WHY WON'T THE GOVERNMENT PROTECT ME FROM FATHER TIME?

  • Faneh||

    That is right to
    think its the responsibility of Federal Govt to ensure the proper implementation of Fiscal Policy. BPH treatment

  • ||

    Tony|3.22.10 @ 3:09PM|#
    "I agree, but I just count nature as one of those outside hindrances."

    And I count sunlight as a requirement.

  • Jeff Perren||

    "Governments can and should do what they can to protect us in the event of natural disasters, right?"

    You are a broken, freakin' record. NO, that is NOT the proper purpose of government.

    What in the world happened to you growing up that you should form such beliefs? And why in the world do you even want to live in this country? Only to enslave it? Go to Sweden, for crissakes.

  • Paul||

    Is it slavery that I have to help pay for armed forces to protect you?

    Not to be an ass, but back in the day, many of my liberal friends used to answer "yes" to this question. Then they realized that every few election cycles, they had control of the military, so...

    But by making this argument that forcing someone else to pay for anothers need isn't slavery, even you must realize Tony that as an argument, it only works so far.

    If Oceana conscripts us all to work in a factory for the 'good of the people', that would be slavery, yes?

    I think it seems clear that you believe that as long as the conscription, percentage of income, level of labour stays beneath a certain datapoint, it's not slavery. We just can't figure where Tony would draw that line.

  • ||

    As long as Tony, personally, stays on the right side of the line, with the overlords and their parasitical sycophants, then its not slavery.

  • ||

    "Is it slavery that I have to help pay for armed forces to protect you?"

    Of course it is...you stupid people are slaves...now pay up bitches!

  • Draco||

    Tony,

    Why don't you try conscripting doctors and nurses from the general populace (as was done by many militaries in the post-Napoleonic era), and then see how you like the results. Myself, I'll say "thanks but no thanks."

    If you tell doctors how much you'll be paying them, and that they can't work outside the government system (this is inevitable if we continue down this road), then you are going to get doctors of the quality of postal workers (no offense to my fellow citizens at the USPS, but let's face it, your not brain surgeons), or your going to be enslaving doctors.

    Watch how the enrollment in medical school falls off when you tell the doctors-to-be that they'll need to take medicaid patients 50% of the time, and get paid medicaid rates.

    As we all should have learned from the USSR, you can't get a good outcome when you set wages and command people to take certain jobs "for the good of the collective." I don't want to put my life into the hands of such people.

    To the rest of you guys, thanks for the support.

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    Is it slavery that I have to help pay for armed forces to protect you?

    National defense has both of the properties of a public good, and if you pull your copy of the U.S. Constitution out of your ass you will see that providing for the common defense is part of the justification for the existence of the Federal Government. Healthcare is neither a public good nor a power the government was given. This is the same Constitution that every Senator and Representative took and oath to serve and protect.

  • Tony||

    Pretend the constitution does allow for some legislative discretion in promoting the general welfare (sort of how reality is).

    Is there a reason healthcare is different from armed defense in some fundamental way, other than it not appearing on a piece of paper that was written when medicine consisted mostly of the use of leeches?

  • T||

    Yes. Health care is not a public good. It is both rivalrous and excludable.

  • Brian 2||

    Is there a reason healthcare is different from armed defense in some fundamental way

    Yes, as T correctly notes. Better question: how is health care different from food? Food is even more necessary than health care, so how can we possibly justify allowing evil corporations to profit from it?

  • ||

    Because providing for the common defense is an enumerated power. The general welfare and interstate commerce clauses are just power grabs by using your so-called "legislative discretion". Try reading some books for a change instead of watching MSNBC.

  • Jeff Perren||

    There are many significant differences, apart from those already pointed out.

    One of the major one's is that "defense" is a short-hand term for "defense of individual rights (to liberty, freedom from coercion, etc)." That is a proper function of government.

    By contrast, there is no right to health care.

    Another salient point is that defense involves the use of retaliatory force, and needs to be brought under legal, regularized control in order to avoid it becoming a violator of rights.

    By contrast, providing health care services, and paying for them is neither the initiation of coercion nor relataliatory force against a rights violator.

    I'm confident you already know the answer to your question, though, and you are simply being disingenuous.

  • Jeff Perren||

    Addendum:

    All that said, I'll make you a deal. Let's make all of it voluntary, health insurance, military, and every other government 'service'.

    I'll bet you a thousand bucks that the military would get funded ten times over and the amount that went into government 'health care' would be a pittance.

    If you have to make it involuntary to pay for it, there's invariably something wrong with it.

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    I hate to quote Glenn Beck, but he said it best about the "pre-existing condition" clause of the bill: It's like walking into AllState and saying, "That's my Lexus out there, and I'm going to go crash it into a building now. Here's this month's premium."

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    Hated to, but did.

    What a completely foolish quote from a complete fool. That analogy fails. One chooses to have a car. One does not choose to have a body. By our nature we become ill, we age (if we're lucky) and we die.

  • Sean W. Malone||

    The *choice*, however, is when to purchase insurance.

    With the health care bill that passed, the incentive structure is now such that you shouldn't plan for the predictable, inevitable future where - by your own admission - "we become ill, we age (if we're lucky) and we die." by purchasing and consistently maintaining health insurance.

    Instead, the incentives are weighted towards saving money that you would have spent on health insurance and doing whatever the hell you want with it, and then when you get sick, as people are prone to do - go buy insurance after the fact, pay for a month, and get treated anyway.

    The WHOLE thing is designed in such a way that it rewards irresponsibility and encourages people to use a product they will barely pay for.

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    This is great. We will see the conservatives squeal like barnyard animals and Rush will move to Costa Rica.

    Go Obama!

  • Frank Thomas||

    5 years from now, Bill Maher predicts that the teabaggers will be yelling "Keep your government hands off my Nazi healthcare!"

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    March 22nd, 2010
    From a joyous Associated Press:

    House Roll Call: Health care overhaul
    By The Associated Press The Associated Press Sun Mar 21

    The 219-212 roll call Sunday by which the House passed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

    A "yes" vote is a vote to pass the bill.

    Voting yes were 219 Democrats and 0 Republicans.

    Voting no were 34 Democrats and 178 Republicans.

    There are 4 vacancies in the 435-member House.

    ALABAMA

    Democrats — Bright, N; Davis, N.

    Republicans — Aderholt, N; Bachus, N; Bonner, N; Griffith, N; Rogers, N.

    ALASKA

    Republicans — Young, N.

    ARIZONA

    Democrats — Giffords, Y; Grijalva, Y; Kirkpatrick, Y; Mitchell, Y; Pastor, Y.

    Republicans — Flake, N; Franks, N; Shadegg, N.

    ARKANSAS

    Democrats — Berry, N; Ross, N; Snyder, Y.

    Republicans — Boozman, N.

    CALIFORNIA

    Democrats — Baca, Y; Becerra, Y; Berman, Y; Capps, Y; Cardoza, Y; Chu, Y; Costa, Y; Davis, Y; Eshoo, Y; Farr, Y; Filner, Y; Garamendi, Y; Harman, Y; Honda, Y; Lee, Y; Lofgren, Zoe, Y; Matsui, Y; McNerney, Y; Miller, George, Y; Napolitano, Y; Pelosi, Y; Richardson, Y; Roybal-Allard, Y; Sanchez, Linda T., Y; Sanchez, Loretta, Y; Schiff, Y; Sherman, Y; Speier, Y; Stark, Y; Thompson, Y; Waters, Y; Watson, Y; Waxman, Y; Woolsey, Y.

    Republicans — Bilbray, N; Bono Mack, N; Calvert, N; Campbell, N; Dreier, N; Gallegly, N; Herger, N; Hunter, N; Issa, N; Lewis, N; Lungren, Daniel E., N; McCarthy, N; McClintock, N; McKeon, N; Miller, Gary, N; Nunes, N; Radanovich, N; Rohrabacher, N; Royce, N.

    COLORADO

    Democrats — DeGette, Y; Markey, Y; Perlmutter, Y; Polis, Y; Salazar, Y.

    Republicans — Coffman, N; Lamborn, N.

    CONNECTICUT

    Democrats — Courtney, Y; DeLauro, Y; Himes, Y; Larson, Y; Murphy, Y.

    DELAWARE

    Republicans — Castle, N.

    FLORIDA

    Democrats — Boyd, Y; Brown, Corrine, Y; Castor, Y; Grayson, Y; Hastings, Y; Klein, Y; Kosmas, Y; Meek, Y; Wasserman Schultz, Y.

    Republicans — Bilirakis, N; Brown-Waite, Ginny, N; Buchanan, N; Crenshaw, N; Diaz-Balart, L., N; Diaz-Balart, M., N; Mack, N; Mica, N; Miller, N; Posey, N; Putnam, N; Rooney, N; Ros-Lehtinen, N; Stearns, N; Young, N.

    GEORGIA

    Democrats — Barrow, N; Bishop, Y; Johnson, Y; Lewis, Y; Marshall, N; Scott, Y.

    Republicans — Broun, N; Deal, N; Gingrey, N; Kingston, N; Linder, N; Price, N; Westmoreland, N.

    HAWAII

    Democrats — Hirono, Y.

    IDAHO

    Democrats — Minnick, N.

    Republicans — Simpson, N.

    ILLINOIS

    Democrats — Bean, Y; Costello, Y; Davis, Y; Foster, Y; Gutierrez, Y; Halvorson, Y; Hare, Y; Jackson, Y; Lipinski, N; Quigley, Y; Rush, Y; Schakowsky, Y.

    Republicans — Biggert, N; Johnson, N; Kirk, N; Manzullo, N; Roskam, N; Schock, N; Shimkus, N.

    INDIANA

    Democrats — Carson, Y; Donnelly, Y; Ellsworth, Y; Hill, Y; Visclosky, Y.

    Republicans — Burton, N; Buyer, N; Pence, N; Souder, N.

    IOWA

    Democrats — Boswell, Y; Braley, Y; Loebsack, Y.

    Republicans — King, N; Latham, N.

    KANSAS

    Democrats — Moore, Y.

    Republicans — Jenkins, N; Moran, N; Tiahrt, N.

    KENTUCKY

    Democrats — Chandler, N; Yarmuth, Y.

    Republicans — Davis, N; Guthrie, N; Rogers, N; Whitfield, N.

    LOUISIANA

    Democrats — Melancon, N.

    Republicans — Alexander, N; Boustany, N; Cao, N; Cassidy, N; Fleming, N; Scalise, N.

    MAINE

    Democrats — Michaud, Y; Pingree, Y.

    MARYLAND

    Democrats — Cummings, Y; Edwards, Y; Hoyer, Y; Kratovil, N; Ruppersberger, Y; Sarbanes, Y; Van Hollen, Y.

    Republicans — Bartlett, N.

    MASSACHUSETTS

    Democrats — Capuano, Y; Delahunt, Y; Frank, Y; Lynch, N; Markey, Y; McGovern, Y; Neal, Y; Olver, Y; Tierney, Y; Tsongas, Y.

    MICHIGAN

    Democrats — Conyers, Y; Dingell, Y; Kildee, Y; Kilpatrick, Y; Levin, Y; Peters, Y; Schauer, Y; Stupak, Y.

    Republicans — Camp, N; Ehlers, N; Hoekstra, N; McCotter, N; Miller, N; Rogers, N; Upton, N.

    MINNESOTA

    Democrats — Ellison, Y; McCollum, Y; Oberstar, Y; Peterson, N; Walz, Y.

    Republicans — Bachmann, N; Kline, N; Paulsen, N.

    MISSISSIPPI

    Democrats — Childers, N; Taylor, N; Thompson, Y.

    Republicans — Harper, N.

    MISSOURI

    Democrats — Carnahan, Y; Clay, Y; Cleaver, Y; Skelton, N.

    Republicans — Akin, N; Blunt, N; Emerson, N; Graves, N; Luetkemeyer, N.

    MONTANA

    Republicans — Rehberg, N.

    NEBRASKA

    Republicans — Fortenberry, N; Smith, N; Terry, N.

    NEVADA

    Democrats — Berkley, Y; Titus, Y.

    Republicans — Heller, N.

    NEW HAMPSHIRE

    Democrats — Hodes, Y; Shea-Porter, Y.

    NEW JERSEY

    Democrats — Adler, N; Andrews, Y; Holt, Y; Pallone, Y; Pascrell, Y; Payne, Y; Rothman, Y; Sires, Y.

    Republicans — Frelinghuysen, N; Garrett, N; Lance, N; LoBiondo, N; Smith, N.

    NEW MEXICO

    Democrats — Heinrich, Y; Lujan, Y; Teague, N.

    NEW YORK

    Democrats — Ackerman, Y; Arcuri, N; Bishop, Y; Clarke, Y; Crowley, Y; Engel, Y; Hall, Y; Higgins, Y; Hinchey, Y; Israel, Y; Lowey, Y; Maffei, Y; Maloney, Y; McCarthy, Y; McMahon, N; Meeks, Y; Murphy, Y; Nadler, Y; Owens, Y; Rangel, Y; Serrano, Y; Slaughter, Y; Tonko, Y; Towns, Y; Velazquez, Y; Weiner, Y.

    Republicans — King, N; Lee, N.

    NORTH CAROLINA

    Democrats — Butterfield, Y; Etheridge, Y; Kissell, N; McIntyre, N; Miller, Y; Price, Y; Shuler, N; Watt, Y.

    Republicans — Coble, N; Foxx, N; Jones, N; McHenry, N; Myrick, N.

    NORTH DAKOTA

    Democrats — Pomeroy, Y.

    OHIO

    Democrats — Boccieri, Y; Driehaus, Y; Fudge, Y; Kaptur, Y; Kilroy, Y; Kucinich, Y; Ryan, Y; Space, N; Sutton, Y; Wilson, Y.

    Republicans — Austria, N; Boehner, N; Jordan, N; LaTourette, N; Latta, N; Schmidt, N; Tiberi, N; Turner, N.

    OKLAHOMA

    Democrats — Boren, N.

    Republicans — Cole, N; Fallin, N; Lucas, N; Sullivan, N.

    OREGON

    Democrats — Blumenauer, Y; DeFazio, Y; Schrader, Y; Wu, Y.

    Republicans — Walden, N.

    PENNSYLVANIA

    Democrats — Altmire, N; Brady, Y; Carney, Y; Dahlkemper, Y; Doyle, Y; Fattah, Y; Holden, N; Kanjorski, Y; Murphy, Patrick, Y; Schwartz, Y; Sestak, Y.

    Republicans — Dent, N; Gerlach, N; Murphy, Tim, N; Pitts, N; Platts, N; Shuster, N; Thompson, N.

    RHODE ISLAND

    Democrats — Kennedy, Y; Langevin, Y.

    SOUTH CAROLINA

    Democrats — Clyburn, Y; Spratt, Y.

    Republicans — Barrett, N; Brown, N; Inglis, N; Wilson, N.

    SOUTH DAKOTA

    Democrats — Herseth Sandlin, N.

    TENNESSEE

    Democrats — Cohen, Y; Cooper, Y; Davis, N; Gordon, Y; Tanner, N.

    Republicans — Blackburn, N; Duncan, N; Roe, N; Wamp, N.

    TEXAS

    Democrats — Cuellar, Y; Doggett, Y; Edwards, N; Gonzalez, Y; Green, Al, Y; Green, Gene, Y; Hinojosa, Y; Jackson Lee, Y; Johnson, E. B., Y; Ortiz, Y; Reyes, Y; Rodriguez, Y.

    Republicans — Barton, N; Brady, N; Burgess, N; Carter, N; Conaway, N; Culberson, N; Gohmert, N; Granger, N; Hall, N; Hensarling, N; Johnson, Sam, N; Marchant, N; McCaul, N; Neugebauer, N; Olson, N; Paul, N; Poe, N; Sessions, N; Smith, N; Thornberry, N.

    UTAH

    Democrats — Matheson, N.

    Republicans — Bishop, N; Chaffetz, N.

    VERMONT

    Democrats — Welch, Y.

    VIRGINIA

    Democrats — Boucher, N; Connolly, Y; Moran, Y; Nye, N; Perriello, Y; Scott, Y.

    Republicans — Cantor, N; Forbes, N; Goodlatte, N; Wittman, N; Wolf, N.

    WASHINGTON

    Democrats — Baird, Y; Dicks, Y; Inslee, Y; Larsen, Y; McDermott, Y; Smith, Y.

    Republicans — Hastings, N; McMorris Rodgers, N; Reichert, N.

    WEST VIRGINIA

    Democrats — Mollohan, Y; Rahall, Y.

    Republicans — Capito, N.

    WISCONSIN

    Democrats — Baldwin, Y; Kagen, Y; Kind, Y; Moore, Y; Obey, Y.

    Republicans — Petri, N; Ryan, N; Sensenbrenner, N.

    WYOMING

    Republicans — Lummis, N.

    Just a little something to store away until the mid-terms.

  • CE||

    So how many of the 219 will lose in November? 10? 15?

  • ||

    The only silver lining to this black cloud for me is that it's the kiddies (under 30) that are going to bear the brunt of this unsustainable debt through lowered standards of living (massive tax hikes, no GDP growth, permanently high unemployment). They need to stop dreaming of custom homes on the lake and start thinking about lineoleum and double-wides.

  • ||

    Here is something that is deceptive also.

    The President has also taken good care of his Muslim buddies it would seem!

    Looks like the rest of the United States taxpayers are not only picking up the tab for 30 million more healthcare recipients but the Muslims, Amish and Christian Scientists are exempted. Obama took care of his Muslim buddies it would seem. Who ever thought?

    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/health-insuran...

  • ||

    health care, a single issue that consumes the democrats and Pres. Obama. they sidelined other important issues like jobs, war, deficit spending, etc. it seems that the sum of these issues is health care for the most healthy people on earth but the most warlike. another irony is the growing joblessness when there is war that needs able-bodied and healthy men and women fit to wear uniforms thus reducing unemployment.

  • Sean W. Malone||

    Reducing "unemployment" by killing people. Perfect solution... Worked in WWII.

    /snark

  • ||

    Don't listen to these silly right wingers, "Tony". As a member of the immigrant / minority community, I swear on your life that, if we are forced to pay 8,10 thou a year for insurance, then we will ONLY visit the hospital once or twice a year. Thrice, at at most. I promise.

    Also, the richest 1% make 900 zillion dollars a year, and they all vote Republican. You are right. Gas prices will never reach 3.80 a gallon, which is a reality in many other countries.

    Like Drew Carey says, libertarians are conservatives who want to get high. They're also weird looking geeks. Yuck.

  • ||

    Brilliant analysis. This bill stinks BECAUSE it extends TODAY'S health insurance.

    People who have never studied economics miss the argument from word one: Insurance IS the problem!

    Imagine insurance -- paying a monthly rate in exchange for heavily discounted or "free" provision of

    other products:
    Gasoline.
    Food.
    Bubble gum.

    I each case, as with health services, the same thing happens: Overconsumption. All the talk of "pools"

    etc BREAKS DOWN COMPLETELY WHEN THE SERVICES ARE SOMETHING PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT.

    Individual incentives to purchase only what is "worth it" are destroyed. Restless legs? Take a pill!

    Power chair? Free from the Scooter Store! Are they "worth" -- is the benefit to the individual -- more

    than the cost? WHO CARES WHEN SOMEONE ELSE IS PICKING UP THE TAB!

    Health insurance would WORK when it only covers things PEOPLE DON'T WANT:
    Splenectomy yes. Chiropractry no.
    Chemotherapy yes. Aromatherapy no.

    Nobody sane wants "free" radiation therapy. So it's an insurable risk -- there is no INDUCED DEMAND

    simply by being "covered."

    It is the INDUCED DEMAND that's bankrupting the system. Drug companies know this -- they WANT "Insurance

    for all."

    Most health spending is palliative. This should be paid out-of-pocket -- preferable with pre-tax dollars

    from Health Savings Accounts. Catastrophic coverage would take care of those expensive, nasty thing

    NOBODY WANTS.

    Chronic conditions, especially congenital, should be subsidized out of compassion IMO.

    By not addressing INSURANCE as ROOT CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM, this process, bill and law is a farce. That's

    why it does nothing (per CBO) to reduce PREMIUMS or SPENDING. It only SHIFTS costs from employers the

    government to taxpayers ... BUYING VOTES with TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

    Real reform may come ... but this isn't it.

  • ||

    Basically Obama has just date-raped this country. He did to us what we didn't want done, and he's counting on us waking up in the morning and loving him for it. We'd better prove him wrong in the next two election cycles or a lesson will be learned that the American people can be taken advantage of without consequences. Every president who follows will know that "no" really means "yes" and will plow ahead with whatever unpopular plans they desire. Our elective presidency will be transformed from temporary tenancy into a four year dictatorship. America has much to fear from this scenario.

  • ||

    Either Obama is a lier or a fool. Hey, maybe both.

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  • ||

    The Congress just voted to add 16million people to Medicaid which is over half of the 30million who will now have "access" to health insurance. The majority of the rest who will get health insurance will have their premiums subsidized by taxpayers. So the government will pay for the majority of newly insured and the bill will mandate new taxes on the rest of us to provide that insurance. And it will do this without increasing the deficit. I for one think the government should reduce it's size, earmarks, and waste to pay for this gigantic expansion in government health insurance coverage.

  • Kai||

    Listen, this is a stupid argument. The fact that previous iterations of the healthcare bill were in the red does nothing to change the CBO's estimation of the current bill.

    This is a fiscally conservative maneuver... They have removed something that was too expensive to pay for at the time, with the intent of reexamining the issue at a later date, hoping to make it run in the black. It isn't deceptive and it isn't smoke and mirrors.

  • The Mighty Oz||

    Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, the guy moving the mirrors and blowing the smoke... When was the last time a government program went over the projected cost? It's preposterous to think one could ever do so!

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    We've never seen this level of outright lying and corruption in our nations history. The small band of arrogant left wing Elites who have forced this corrupt monstrosity on the nation have truly injured our nation. Nov will be the mosts important election of our lifetimes. If the Democrats reatain control the corruption will continue to grow, and the decline of our nation will accelerate.

  • CE||

    Unfortunately, yes we have, and also unfortunately, the same thing will happen if the Republicans regain control.

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    i detest obama and co like no other political group in history. when their unconstitutional bill is laid bare by the high court, and when the dust of the midterm elections has settled, let their arrogance be repaid twofold. progressives have just declared war on mainstream america; we need to show them what happens when you flip your middle finger to the public....

  • CE||

    I liked the Constitutional argument against it, by one of the state attorneys general planning to sue: How can Congress force someone to buy health insurance under any interpretation of the Commerce Clause, however broad? If someone isn't buying health insurance, they're not participating in commerce at all.

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