Immigration

If You're Going to Arizona, Be Sure to Have a Passport in Your Car

|

My column tomorrow is about the recent revisions to Arizona's new immigration law, which I don't think will do much to discourage the sort of racial profiling practiced by Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio. One change I did not have space to discuss is a reduction in the penalty for legal residents who fail to carry their immigration papers. In the original version (PDF) of the law, this new state offense was punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of $2,500, the usual penalty for a Class 1 misdemdeanor. In the revised version (PDF), the maximum penalty is a $100 fine plus 20 days in jail, 30 days for repeat offenders. The new penalty corresponds to the one for the federal version of the offense, presumably with the goal of making the law more likely to withstand legal challenge.

Another thing I noticed: The law recognizes a driver's license from another state as proof that one is not "an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States," but only if that state "requires proof of legal residence in the United States before issuance." According to this fairly recent summary, about half a dozen states don't. So Latino drivers from, say, Michigan could be in for a real hassle if they happen to be pulled over in Arizona, even if they are native-born U.S. citizens. Considering that a perfectly legal visitor from Mexico was nabbed by Arpaio's deputies and detained for almost nine hours even though he presented several forms of ID, including a valid visa, Latinos from states that don't meet Arizona's criteria probably should carry a passport. Or just avoid Arizona.

Finally, a correction: Last week I noted Linda Chavez's concern that Arizona's law requires all state and local government agencies to be on the lookout for unauthorized residents. She apparently was relying on an earlier version of the law, which ambiguously referred to "a law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state." The version signed by Gov. Jan Brewer instead refers to "a law enforcement official or law enforcement agency."

NEXT: Weighing the Benefits & Costs of Offshore Drilling

Editor's Note: We invite comments and request that they be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of Reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment for any reason at any time. Report abuses.

  1. Or just avoid Arizona.

    1. Or carry a firearm! Citizens concerned about being harassed should open and or concealed carry. A custom 1911 screams “American”.

  2. If someone had proposed this shit while the USSR was still around, the same dipshits who are loving this now would have screamed bloody murder about how it made us like the reds.

    How times change, and fear of nuclear war turns into fear that THEY TOOK UR JERBS

  3. If You’re Going to Arizona, Be Sure to Have a Passport in Your Car

    Really? It’s come to this? Reason’s most consistently rational, anti-snarkish writer has succumbed to this kind of hyperbolic hand-wringing? Now I am depressed.

    1. I think it’s just a play on the old song, “Are you going to San Francisco? Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair…”

      1. Or “If your gonna play in Texas, you gotta have a fiddle in the band”?

      2. So where is the actual song parody? An “Arizona” song project would seem perfect for occupying the now idle time and talents of those who can no longer provide us with “Downfall” parodies. Genius idea!

    2. Really? What do you think is going to happen to a legal Latino if a cop pulls him over and he doesn’t happen to have a US passport or birth certificate?

      If the cop suspects that license is a fake, or if he feels like being a dick, he can haul that person in.

      The only way to be safe is going to be to carry your passport or a birth certificate. Why take chances?

      Internal passport it IS. If you can’t travel to another state without taking your passport, then it’s a fucking internal passport.

      1. Hyperbole is the language of Hazel Meade.

        1. O Rly? Explain what is exaggerated about her statement.

          1. “he can haul that person in.”

            Clich? fail.

            Internal passport it IS. If you can’t travel to another state without taking your passport, then it’s a fucking internal passport.

            Right. I’ll be sure to bring my passport the next time I drive to Georgia.

            1. If Georgia adopts the same law you might want to. Especially if you look like a foreigner.

              1. If? You are two more if’s away from a Godwin.
                Not that this topic wasn’t Godwined the moment the Arizona Governor signed the bill.

                1. So you’re say (a) you don’t think Georgia should adalopt the same law, and (b) nobody looks like a foreigner.

                  1. er … saying … adopt

                    1. Yes Hazel, it’s obvious that every person with brown skin in Arizona will be legally mandated to be endlessly harassed by every police officer they come across for the rest of their lives, just because they have brown skin.

                      Anyone who thinks that the police won’t be carefully trained to look for other criteria besides merely skin color (you know, like the law actually says) to ensure that the situation meets the legal definitions of ‘reasonable suspicion’ before requesting confirmation of immigration status is just a racist commie muggle nazi facsist Romulan Sith Lord!

                    2. (won’t will be carefully trained…)

                    3. Yeah man, because everyone knows the cops drive around with civil rights lawyers in their cruisers.

                      Get real. “Resonable suspicion” can mean anything the cop says. Anyone who thinks that the cops are going to behave in some professional accountable fashion is dreaming.

                    4. And, you could always RTFA:

                      a perfectly legal visitor from Mexico was nabbed by Arpaio’s deputies and detained for almost nine hours even though he presented several forms of ID, including a valid visa,

                    5. “Resonable suspicion” can mean anything the cop says.

                      Citation needed.

                    6. no it isnt needed.

                      but thank you for playing.

                      provided you have your travel documents squared away, you win a prize of rattlesnake steak at your favorite Flagstaff restaurant!

                2. omg!

                  you’re one “if” away from a Godwin with three misspellings!

        2. Your name looks suspicious…SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET ON THE GROUND!

          1. -6

      2. And make sure you leave all of your “Little Lupe” videos at home, safely stored in the nursery under the baby crib.

        1. Or send them to me.

      3. Really? What do you think is going to happen to a legal Latino if a cop pulls him over and he doesn’t happen to have a US passport or birth certificate?

        I’ve never been to AZ but isn’t there a high probability the cop is a “legal latino”? Almost no native-born Hispanics and few legal residents are going to look and act like recent immigrants from Mexico.If you live in a racially and ethnically diverse community the “greenhorns” are pretty obvious.

        1. That’s not necessarily true. There are border communities where most people speak spanish, where it is relatively easy for illegal immigrants to blend in.

      4. Have any of you read the actual bill? Try here then come back here and comment: http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/4…..b1070s.pdf

        BTW: All of the LEGAL immigrants that I know approve of this law!! Doesn’t that say something?????

        1. What? Are you serious? ALL the LEGAL Inmigrants you know? And HOW MANY do you know? One? Two?
          There are humdreds of LEGAL protesters in many cities across the country. Famous people like Emilio & Gloria Estefan. They have even been on TV.
          Anyway, just in case you didn’t see them, now you DO know one LEGAL inmigrant that does not approve this law: ME!

          As a legal inmigrant, I’m opposed to illegal inmigration. I opposed it in my own country, and I opposed it in my country of adoption. Still, that does not justify racial profiling.

      5. According to an AZ Senator, all you need is a Driver Lic. or B.C. or Mil. ID. or Pass Port or Tribal Card.

        The only ones who may get screwed in AZ are Native Americans, who may look Mexican, speak Spanish and are already protected by the Treaty of 1794 (Jay Treaty) which the US ignores in Violation of the UN treaty protecting indigenous peoples. Only the US and CA have failed to acknowledge this Treaty.

        Maybe we should protect our own people first before worrying about the hardships of illegal entries.

        BTW there is a case pending in the CA supreme court for the last 40 years with out resolution. A NA visited his Bro in US and took back to CA a used washing machine his Bro sold him. The washer was confiscated and the CA NA was arrested. So much for the courts on both sides of that border.

    1. Because there are so many 6’10” Mexicans on the court?

      1. Robin Lopez is injured, you insensitive clod. Besides, I’m not even sure he’s Mexican.

        1. Leandro Barbosa is Brazilian. Does that kind of count? I’m a huge SUNS fan, and I support this decision.

          1. No, that doesn’t count. Everybody knows that Mexicans are short and brown and wear ridiculous sombreros that impair their hook shots.

  4. If you get pulled over by that hillbilly redneck Sheriff Arpaio or his goon squad in Maricopa County it wont matter.

    Lou
    http://www.whos-logging.se.tc

    1. Actually having your passport with you in that case might be a BAD thing… it may very well ‘disappear’ if he does not like the way you look.

  5. Dear Sheriff Joe:

    I’m pretty WASPy, but my wife is half-Colombian. What happens if we are in a car together in Arizona?

    1. I’ll assume she’s a hooker.

      1. No, a bang-maid.

        Frank: Charlie, I need a woman. I need a woman to…to cook for me, and clean up after me, and somebody that will do everything I say.

        Charlie: Well, that’s just a maid. You want a maid?

        Frank: Yeah, that’s right, a maid. A maid I can bang. A bang-maid.

        1. Tony is my bang-maid.

        2. Strange you should say this. In another thread, I told Dan T. (when he said that rich guys do it all by themselves), “Well, really rich people have valets/maids who assist with the disrobing, the mounting, and the clean up.”

          What I failed to realize is that a valet or maid could be a participant. Truly, the rich aren’t like the rest of us.

    2. You had better hope that she has all of her proper paperwork with her… its a FELONY for transporting an unauthorized alien. This law works with the presumption of guilt based on some hokey LEO ‘reasonable suspicion’ where they can detain her until they verify. At that point they now have ‘probably cause’ to believe you are committing a felony becaue they suspected she was an unauthorized alien and she didnt have her paperwork to prove otherwise, they could detain you too. Which means your car gets towed at your expense. Of course, when it is all said and done several hours to several days later and you care cleared, you get your car back… provided you pay the towing and impound fees.

      1. Well, she is an American citizen, born here and stuff.

        1. He must assume she is always fending off people ordering tacos.

        2. So? She looks and sounds foriegn to me… reasonable enough for an officer to ask since he would be legally permitted to do so. If she does not happen to have her ID or if it is not acceptable enough for the officer, you as the driver are now suspected of committing a felony.

          1. Nice link. What does ICE enforcement of a Federal law have to do with the Arizona law that doesn’t go into effect for about 90 more days?

            1. Nothing. Trucker is lucky he didn’t have any Little Lupe pr0n or ICE would want her birth certificate too

  6. The version signed by Gov. Jan Brewer instead refers to “a law enforcement official or law enforcement agency.”

    So did the other version. Noun phrases in Germanic languages are “left-branching.”

    OMG the law’s in Germanic!11

  7. Holy Frijole, those people are fucked up.

  8. I’m pretty WASPy, but my wife is half-Colombian. What happens if we are in a car together in Arizona?

    You’ll be imprisoned for miscegenation. And your “wife” will be sent back to the jungle.

    1. Dear Sheriff Joe:

      Does it matter that she was born in the U.S. and has a normal, fully American mother? Her Spanish is worse than mine, for God’s sake!

      1. Does this mean she doesn’t have a direct source for pure, uncut cocaine? Because that would be really disappointing.

        1. I’m truly sorry, Episiarch. But don’t give up hope–she does have some relatives in Colombia still!

          We’re getting deported for these comments, aren’t we?

          1. You are. I called ICE on you. I told them your real name was Slowpoke Rodriguez.

            1. I meant me and my wife. You, of course, as an Italian will be deported later on, during the Americans Hate Southern Europeans Movement.

              1. Ah, but my name is German! I would confuse the haters and pretend to be Swiss.

                And no one hates Southern Europeans. They have the best food. And the craziest women.

                1. Good luck with that.

                  Agree completely about the food and the women. Which is why you have to go. The U.S. is going for a strictly Nordic look and cuisine, apparently.

                  1. Lutefisk for everyone?

                    THE HORROR

                    1. I understand that they’ll allow Cajun and Creole cuisine to survive in an enclave in New Orleans, but THAT’S IT!

                      Pizza will survive, too, though the only permitted topping will be herring.

                    2. Haggis, of course, is just groovy.

                    3. You rang?

                    4. Your nickname is now “Haggis”. I have spoken.

                    5. Certainly better than Warty’s “…you glorified enema fetishist.”

                    6. Warty responds to many monikers, from “sniveling frotteurism enthusiast” to “decrepit perverted slubberdegullion”.

                      But what he likes best is when you slap him and call him Sally.

                    7. I thought you two resolved that issue in marriage counseling. BTW I noticed Reason was busy today. I miss all the good threads. /zoidberg

                    8. Are you filthy stinking rich? Two out of three doesn’t cut it!

                    9. “Talk to the claw.”

              2. Arpaio is an Italian name, isn’t it?

      2. Short answer: no.

        1. Oh, okay. Thanks Sheriff Joe!

  9. Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t federal law require all of this already anyways?

    1. Federal law requires foreign nationals to carry their immigration papers and visas on their person at all time.

      I’m not sure this is the case for legal residents.

      But in either case, it doesn’t REQUIRE local law enforcement officials to ask. It only requires you to have the papers in case they do.

      1. So before this law was passed in AZ, law enforcement officials were NOT supposed to ask if an immigrant had proof of their immigration status?

        And people wonder why Arizona passed this and currently enjoys something like a 70% approval in the state.

        1. You can’t tell if someone is an immigrant on sight. The point is that it requires cops to ask US citizens for their immigration papers. Some of the people stopped and asked for papers are going to be legal residents and Americans, who will be fucked if they don’t happen to have valid proof of residency on them.

          1. Wrong. Not immigration papers, a simple wallet sized card. If you’re legal resident you’ll have a driver’s license..that will work. Or any similar gov’t issued ID.

            C’mon people..who are you more concerned about? Arizona who is being overridden, victimized, driven broke, subjected to massive drug and crime problems, daily murders…..or hurting the feelings of a few people mistakenly asked for ID?

            1. And if you choose not to drive or get a state issued ID? What then?

              1. Be prepared to not vote, fly, or enter a federal building.

                1. You do not need an ID to vote (by law, AFAIK, they cannot ask for one). You can fly without an ID, even today. And I have never been asked for an ID when entering a federal building… but then, I’ve only been to a courthouse and some post offices.

                  So, you can function quite well without an ID. Which means some people won’t have them.

            2. Wrong. Not immigration papers, a simple wallet sized card.

              Oh, really? Whew. That’s completely different then. I was almost led to believe that this discussion wasn’t about the inconvenience of having to carry around a stack of papers but instead about A FUCKING MASSIVE THREAT TO BASIC CIVIL LIBERTIES.

              Thanks for clearing it up.

            3. If you’re legal resident you’ll have a driver’s license..that will work. Or any similar gov’t issued ID.

              Did you read the post? A driver’s license does not necessarily prove legal residency. In neighboring New Mexico, you don’t have to establish your residency to get a license. This means that any New Mexican resident not carrying their passport or military ID in Arizona can be legally detained.

              Only about 1/5 Americans even has a passport, a number that is probably lower in a rural state like New Mexico. And an even small percentage of the population carries a military ID.

          2. “You can’t tell if someone is an immigrant on sight.”

            True.

            “The point is that it requires cops to ask US citizens for their immigration papers.”

            It does? I thought it says that Cops can ask if a person has proof of immigration status during a routine stop. Not randomly pulling over people cause their brown, but specifically during any routine stop. If a person is a US citizen then they would normally have some type of ID that can verify them already. Ideally I wish that we didn’t need ID’s at all but that’s never going to happen.

            “Some of the people stopped and asked for papers are going to be legal residents and Americans, who will be fucked if they don’t happen to have valid proof of residency on them.”

            A drivers license or even a state ID would be a valid proof of residency. This is a lot to ask for? It’s already against the law to drive without your drivers license in your possession.

            I don’t see where this law says that cops will randomly ask people for papers and if you don’t have them you’re fucked.

            1. It has to meet the standards of a “Terry Stop”.

            2. It actually is not limited to stops – it can be ANY lawful contact which could be something as simple as walking up and asking an officer for directions – which you know… is reasonable suspicion that the person is not from around here.

              Leaving ‘reasonable suspicion’ to the interpretation by the group of clowns under Arpio is enough for me to oppose this.

              1. That’s been ammended. Not sure if the government signed the fix yet or not.

                1. They did. AJs is alluding to an earlier version of the law.

            3. Not everyone is in a car at all times. You have brown skin, you go for an early morning jog without driver’s license, a cop stops you — you see how that might be a problem?

              1. No, because jogging isn’t illegal.

                Again, the law doesn’t ask cops to arrest people for standing around or going for a jog. It says if they are arresting them and they don’t have legal immigration cards they can enforce a Federal Law.

                Because the Federal government is not enforcing this particular federal law very well.

                I understand that the Arpaio’s of the world will probably abuse this in some stupid way, but he’s already abusing his enforcement privileges as it is. You really think this can make him that much
                worse? I don’t.

                Wider gates, taller (actual) fences.

            4. As pointed out in the original article, a driver’s license is only valid if it comes from a state that requires proof of legal residency to get one.

              Secondly, there’s always a chance that the police might think it’s a fake. Plenty of fake IDs in the immigrant community.

              1. Secondly, there’s always a chance that the police might think it’s a fake. Plenty of fake IDs in the immigrant community.

                There’s a chance the police might think that about anyone’s id. As a general rule the cops have computers in their patrol cars and can check it out immediately. Better get your drivers license photo updated, sugar britches.

            5. If a person is a US citizen then they would normally have some type of ID that can verify them already.

              As Mr. Sullum pointed out, a license from several states, including neighboring New Mexico, does not establish residency. Can you think of any other form of ID that you have with you normally that might verify residency?

        2. Before this law was passed, if a cop pulled someone over, they were to ask for your licence, if you didn’t have one they were to ask for ID. Don’t have that, they were only allowed to give you a ticket for driving without a license, but couldn’t ask about your legal status.

      2. I’m not sure this is the case for legal residents.

        Yup, Green Card holders are supposed to carry our Green Cards on our person at all times- but I’ve never been asked for mine except at the border.

      3. No legal immigrants do not have to carry their papers, but everyone is required to carry ID of some sort. The really amusing part, that everyone is missing, is that AZ is a no-hassle state, so if you aren’t doing anything wrong, you can legally refuse to show ID. I know, I have done so!!

    2. It does, but they don’t really mean it.

  10. What a big bag of noise here. We all show our papers everyday.

    You get pulled over, you must show license, registration, insurance papers.
    You write a check, you show ID.
    You buy beer, you show ID.
    Use the library, you show ID.
    etc, etc

    There is nothing racist or wrong with the Arizona law. It’s not even about immigration..it’s about law enforcement and the abject failure of the federal gov’t to do their job at the border.

    Any immigrant is supposed to carry his green card…has been the law since 1950 or so. Why is that a problem?

    If you’re a resident, then you’ll have a driver’s license or similar.

    If you’re here illegally, get out and try again using our process. Jumping the fence gives you no right to make demands.

    Immigration for jobs is often a good thing, we support it. Immigration for welfare at the expense of the rest of us is not.

    1. What a big bag of noise here. We all show our papers everyday.

      Congratulations on being a monkey who has learned to love his cage.

      1. A monkey wearing prison stripes.

        1. Based on the current violent crime incarceration stats:

          RACIST!

          1. What about a ringed lemur in an orange jumpsuit?

            1. Depends on where the ring is. Then you come dangerously close to bigotry against alternative lifestyles.

              Hmmm, that might explain your self-loathing. heh heh!

              1. Fine, homophobe. How about a gibbon wearing a tutu?

                MR. TEENY

                1. Name it Chad and you got a deal!

                  Wait…what was the question?

                  1. The question was…wanna get high?

                    Oh man, I don’t even know what’s goin’ on…

                    1. You’re the worst character ever.

                    2. I know.

    2. Immigration for jobs is often a good thing, we support it. Immigration for welfare at the expense of the rest of us is not.

      Which is why the same law bans hiring day laborers, I guess.

    3. You write a check, you show ID.
      You buy beer, you show ID.
      Use the library, you show ID.

      Nope, nope and nope. Unfortunately on that 2nd one, but there ya go.

    4. I don’t recall ever being ordered to “write a check, buy beer or use the library” under threat of incarceration.

      You’re a fucking idiot.

    5. Thx u Alabama – Someone finally got it right. All AZ is trying to is to enforce a Federal Law that the Federal Gov’t doesn’t seem to feel is an importment issue. If a Federal ICE Agent pulls someone over government in AZ, CA, TX, FL or wherever and ask about their immigration status, nobody gives a crap. But now that a cop in AZ does the same thing – now the whole state is racist. But if the Fed. Gov’t agent does it then he or she also most be a racist. And if that person is a racist. Follow the chain and guess who most also be a racist.

    6. If you’re a resident, then you’ll have a driver’s license or similar.

      If you’d read the post, you’d know that a driver’s license from a state like neighboring New Mexico does not suffice to establish residency. And only a minority of US residents even own military IDs or passports, much less carry them habitually.

      If you’re here illegally, get out and try again using our process. Jumping the fence gives you no right to make demands.

      Please explain the process by which a coffee picker from Guatamala might legally emigrate to the United States.

      Immigration for jobs is often a good thing, we support it. Immigration for welfare at the expense of the rest of us is not.

      Do you support laws making it illegal for businesses to hire undocumented workers?

    7. “You get pulled over, you must show license, registration, insurance papers.”
      Yes – and?

      “You write a check, you show ID.”
      It’s been years since I had to pull out a driver’s license to write a check for the vet or the grocery store, and I have never been told my DL isn’t good enough and I have to show a Social Security Card or birth certificate.

      “You buy beer, you show ID.”
      Again – I show my DL. That’s not good enough under this law, because my state’s DL doesn’t count as proof of citizenship.

      “Use the library, you show ID.”
      Nope. I type in my card number and my pin number. No ID.

  11. You can’t tell if someone is an immigrant on sight.

    Piffle!

    All REAL Americans look just like me.

  12. Well if one does not like this law stay out of Arizona. America is about the dollar hit someone wallet you get change. I say fuck arizona ( in a nice way) its there stupid state let em govern themselves, all the illegals can go hang out in Hollywood now

  13. If You’re Going to Arizona, Be Sure to Have a Passport in Your Car you gotta have a maraca in the band

  14. A monkey wearing prison stripes.

    No top hat, neither.

    1. And instead of a monocle the guards hose him down once a week and de-louse him.

  15. Shouldn’t that be, “ya gotta have a macaca in the band”?

    1. Or caca in your hand.

  16. If you cross into Arizona illegally you might have someone ask for your ID!

    IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.

    IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

    IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

    IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

    IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

    IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY.

    IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

    IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET

    1 – A JOB,
    2 – A DRIVERS LICENSE,
    3 – SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
    4 – WELFARE,
    5 – FOOD STAMPS,
    6 – CREDIT CARDS,
    7 – SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
    8 – FREE EDUCATION,
    9 – FREE HEALTH CARE,
    10 – A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
    11 – BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
    12 – AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON’T GET ENOUGH RESPECT

    I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION CORRECTLY.

    1. AWESOME, RON!
      Finally, a person who can lay out his arguments in all-caps! That fucking TOTALLY makes you LOGIC so much more IMPENETRABLE!
      WHY HASN’T SOMEONE THOUGHT OF THIS BEFORE??????????????
      It’s like fucking bolding everything, except LOUDER and WAY MORE EFFECTIVE!

      1. Ron must be a neophyte of LoneWacko. He’s very compelling.

        /snark

      2. Finally, a person who can lay out his arguments in all-caps! That fucking TOTALLY makes you LOGIC so much more IMPENETRABLE!

        It doesn’t make it less inpenetrable either, does it? Why not comment on what he says rather than how he types it?

        1. WUT DOES RON PAUL AND HIS LOVERELUTION HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS 1!!!!11111!!!!11 AMRO?

    2. AAaaaaayyyy tukkk rr jjjjeeerrrrrbbbs!!!

    3. Ah – I see the new Arizona state tourism slogan:

      “ARIZONA: NOT AS BAD AS NORTH KOREA”

      1. We have great food & electricity.

        Just nobody to do the dishes anymore…

    4. RON I CAN’T HEAR YOU TYPE LOUDER

    5. So your point is, so long as a given state is not quite as bad as the authoritarian hellholes you named, you’re OK with it?

      1. His argument doesn’t follow, since it doesn’t have a conclusion; I have no desire to sneak into any of those places, much less visit them legally, sans China. So Ron’s sales pitch is failing miserably for me. I would love to visit Hong Kong though.

        He makes an excellent prima fascie case for ending the welfare state, however.

        1. You know Hong Kong doesn’t require a visa if you’re a US citizen. And you can probably get a China visa while you’re in Hong Kong if you’d like to go.

          1. I didn’t know that. Since it is not really feasible for me to travel abroad right now, I haven’t investigated the prospect. But, when feasible, I’ll keep that in mind. Thanks! 🙂

    6. Right, because America was founded on the principle that it should look like North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Cuba, China and East Germany.

      I would mention most of your list shouldn’t really be any more available for citizens either than it can be for illegals, but it was probably not spoken loud enough for your eyes.

    7. You should circulate that as an email. Send it to anyone forwarding the “post turtle” one.

    8. IN FRANCE IF YOU GET INJURED YOU GET TREATED FOR FREE
      IN ENGLAND IF YOU HAVE CANCER YOU GET TREATED FOR FREE
      IN CANADA IF YOU ARE PREGNANT YOU GET TO GIVE BIRTH AT NO COST

      IF YOU DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS IN AMERICA, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE TREATMENTS/OPERATIONS, AND THEN SOME!

      OK I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION CORRECTLY.
      since every country does something then we must do it too!

      1. No, in those countries if you get injured/have cancer/are pregnant you get treated on someone else’s dime.

        TANSTAAFL

      2. As opposed to paying for your own insurance (to hedge against the possibility of catastrophic illness) or paying for your own treatment (in the case of routine issues).

        1. And when you get a catastrophic illness (or even, like, a non-catastrophic illness) and your medical bills require your insurance company to pay out amounts far beyond what you have ever paid in premiums, are you going to call them and insist that they not use other, non-ill policy holders’ money to pay for your expenses. I mean, if we’re really all about personal responsibility here.

    9. Yes, let’s make America more like North Korea, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan Venezuela and Cuba.

    10. Just want to let everyone know that this post was cribbed directly from one of those right-wing chain emails that are always so informative, persuasive, and factually accurate.

    11. holy frickin crap…. i offically LOVE you. and people wonder WHY OTHER COUNTRIES DONT HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM!!!!

  17. This sucks. My ancestry is Nordic, but for some crazy reason a lot of people think I look either middle eastern or hispanic. I’m considering canceling my summer vacation to AZ so I don’t have to be afraid the whole damn time.

    1. Pussy!

    2. Have you tried leveraging that advantage to get free stuff?If you get taken for Hispanic (by which I assume you mean mestizo) or middle eastern, you could try to identify yourself with a native american tribe, and get all sorts of goodies from the federal government. You might not feel all that good about yourself for it, but getting stuff at someone else’s expense is always fun.

    3. Just make sure you bring your driver’s license when you are committing a crime and you will be just fine. By the way why the hell would you come to AZ for a summer vacation?

  18. “ARIZONA: NOT AS BAD AS NORTH KOREA”

    That’s perilously close to false advertising.

  19. Papers Pleazzzzze!

    I’m whiter than all dickens (the use of the word dickens is proof enough to my whiteness) and I will be avoiding Arizona because I don’t want to even hear that phrase in passing.

    I’m from Illinois. Sure, we may be half a step away from being Sweden’s dysfunctional ‘special’ little brother, but at least I don’t have to carry papers wherever I go.

    1. Geez, I’m a White girl from Washington State and whenever I go to California; the Californian Whites always ask me if I’m Canadian. I think it’s because of my sweet use of diction and my pale, pale skin. Better steer clear of Arizona. Not that I’d want to go to the poor man’s California anyways.

  20. I will be boycotting everything made in China, Mexico, Europe, and Japan because of their unfair immigration laws.

  21. Well I think we should kick all the illegals out and shoot anyone who crosses the border illegally.

    Tell me, why do you think countries like Haiti/Mexico etc are so poor in the first place? Aren’t you worried that they’ll bring their culture here? It isn’t like the English ever “assimilated” into Native American culture…

    I live in Texas, I can tell you that the reason the border states have poor education ratings is because half the population doesn’t speak English. This results in a lowering of standards for everybody because it’s too difficult to teach.

    Because their are only a finite amount of resources on this planet, evolution has given everyone a gene that says “try to kill everyone that’s different from you”. This is why diverse areas of the world have more problems then homogeneous ones. The countries with the lowest crime rates are homogeneous Japan/Korea while South Africa, the “rainbow nation” is so diverse that women are more likely to be raped then learn how to read. Soon, thanks to pro-immigration people like you, everyone will be living in gated communities where we can’t ever feel safe.

    Finally I think the reason economic freedom is so rare in the world is because the wealth it generates attracts hordes of socialists who overwhelm the culture that created it before they have time to understand WHY that area had jobs/wealth and assimilate (which probably takes 3 generations)

  22. I’m curious – how many of you here are acutally illegal, or was illegal?

    I was illegal for nearly 10 years in this country (thanks a lot, INS). The police entered my life a few time during that time, and not once did they ask for my green card, although apparently they COULD under federal law. Why? I probably liked a dorky little Asian kid at the time. Perfectly harmless.

    I’m kinda with Pablo here – it is disappointing to see the libertarians buy into scaremongering like this. I probably have a better chance of getting shot by a trigger happy cop (who interpreted a cell phone in my hand as a weapon) as a citizen NOW than getting hauled by a rogue Arpaio type during my illegal days.

    I said this before, and I’ll say it again. Your real enemy is the INS, red tape, and their SLOW legalization process. They’re the reason why so many Latinos opt for illegal border crossings in the first place. (Reason was quick to recognize this) Now they’re worried about getting pulled over by AZ cops for looking and smelling foreign.

    I didn’t have my green card when during my freshman year at college, meaning I wasn’t eligible for financial aid. My parents had to sell their cars and borrow heavily from relatives abroad. That’s the real kind of crap illegals have to deal with, not this immigration raid and racial profiling nightmare dreamed up by the Latinos. Some slick lawyer will have a field day pointing to the “no racial profiling” language in the new law the minute they try to deport anyone.

    1. Lee, I am curious why you seem to think it is reasonable for the American taxpayer to provide illegal aliens with financial aid?

      This, in a nutshell, is the problem with illegal immigration. We can’t afford to support everybody.

  23. Does this mean that you could walk into a bar and drink without showing your I’d?

    Can you get on a plane without Id

    What is so hard about showing that your in the USA legally?

    I get tired of hearing people saying that its racial profiling. To bad, if you play by the rules all is good if you don’t theirs always a liberal that tells you its ok were here for you. Screw the people who follow the law there just mean . And don’t understand.

  24. Does this mean that you could walk into a bar and drink without showing your I’d?

    Can you get on a plane without Id

    What is so hard about showing that your in the USA legally?

    I get tired of hearing people saying that its racial profiling. To bad, if you play by the rules all is good if you don’t theirs always a liberal that tells you its ok were here for you. Screw the people who follow the law there just mean . And don’t understand.

  25. Arizona–The Godwin State

  26. For F*&%ck’s sake what a bunch of whiney little pussies. I lived outside the US for almost 10 years. Everywhere I went I needed to have identification and many countries required a visa. No problem just carry it and just get it simple or don’t visit or live there.

    My wife is from Asia it was not an easy process to get her into America and it took a fair amount of time and money but we did it the proper way.

    One of the first questions she asked,”Who are those men standing around in the supermarket parking lot?”

    I explained they were illegals looking for work. She explained in her country illegals so blatantly breaking the law would be round up and deported.

    My response, ” Welcome to the US of A.”

    How the hell can Libertarian values exist when you have an underclass of illegals soaking up so much Government welfare? Sure they come for jobs but it is the perks that make the numbers so large. Reduce FREE schooling, FREE health care, and all the other FREEBIES and see how many stay just to work.

    1. sorry – I tuned out. what were you saying?

  27. fuck that I wouldn’t even bring ID. the 5th amendment is on my side. this law fucks with legal citizens rights more than anything and no one in the media is bringing this up.

  28. All that has to be done is wait for a legal resident of Latin origin to be stopped and detained for no papers. Refuse to identify as you are resident. Then take the f’ers to court and invalidate the law. Simple.

  29. Mexico REQUIRES passports…..

  30. i say to myself why do they have to do that for.. the people from mexico are just trying to give their family a better life …..only if they saw how must people live in mexico we have everything we went. but in mexico there are sometimes that they dont have anything to eat its hard to live in mexico..they are just asking to give them change. i been mexico for 7monthes and i learned from seeing all the people and kids that they wish that they could have anything we in united stated …. picture yourself in mexico with out money and out food and you have kids what cames to your mind.It makes me upset cuz …they are poor peolpe…… some people donnt understand but i hope god changes their mind and around them… well that i had to say for now ………..

Please to post comments

Comments are closed.