I Left My Soda Tax in San Francisco
San Fran mayor and wannabe next governor of the great(ly broke) state of California proposes hitting retailers who sell demon soft drinks with a new fee. Details from the San Francisco Chronicle:
Calling soda the new tobacco, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom will introduce legislation this fall that would charge a fee to retailers that sell sugary beverages.
Newsom would need voter approval to tax individual cans of soda and sugary juice, but only needs approval from the Board of Supervisors to levy a fee on retailers. His legislation would charge grocery stores like Safeway and big-box stores, but would not affect restaurants that serve sodas.
Newsom wouldn't say how much the stores would have to pay or how the city would spend the fees. When he first floated the idea in 2007, he said the money would go to his Shape Up San Francisco exercise program and for media campaigns to discourage soda drinking.
The mayor said the city attorney's office has warned him the city would probably be sued over the matter, but he said it is worth the risk to try to curb a leading cause of obesity and diabetes.
"We know we'll be sued," he said. "But I really believe this is important to do."
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"The new tobacco."
These thought processes are so alien to me that I wonder if it's not an attempt to see what people will say in response. Smile! You're on Candid Camera!
"But I really believe this is important to do."
Because the mayor's beliefs are all that matters. All bow to the king.
Give your money, so I can go buy a gun and then shoot you with it.
His legislation would charge grocery stores like Safeway and big-box stores, but would not affect restaurants that serve sodas.
Ah so. Mayor Douchebag knows that San Franciscans love their (admittedly excellent) restaurants, but it's ok to tax the evil "big-box" stores.
Who even says "big-box" anymore, unless they're referring to an especially large pussy? Isn't it so late 90's to hate on chain stores?
Obama wants me to tell the mayor to go fuck himself.
soda : tobacco :: tobacco : ?
Calling soda the new tobacco,
I never want to hear anyone say, ever again, that the slippery slope is a fallacy.
tobacco : soda :: soda : ?
Why do you taunt me, soda tax?
Newsom would need voter approval to tax individual cans of soda and sugary juice, but only needs approval from the Board of Supervisors to levy a fee on retailers.
At least he's not hypocritical in terms of his target (i.e., fruit juices can contain a lot of sugar, too).
"We know we'll be sued," he said. "But I really believe this is important to do."
Isn't this an open, direct violation of his oath of office? I'm not familiar with the (undoubtedly fabulous) swearing-in protocols for San Fran, but isn't he saying that he realizes this is illegal?
"We know we'll be sued," he said. "But we have the money we steal from the unwilling to defend ourselves."
As long as the taco trucks are escaping this madness . . . No, this is still messed up and the politicians on the East Coast will be copying it soon. Maybe they will leave the taco trucks alone too? I can only wish.
I'm waiting for them to levy a tax on Sky Cake.
FWIW, see also this current, largely related Google News story cluster.
What's after soda? Fun.
At least he's not hypocritical in terms of his target
Yes, let us rejoice that evil and hypocrisy are not necessarily the same thing.
-jcr
The war on sugar will be an even bigger failure than the war on drugs.
50 years ago: Sugar OK, pot bad.
Today: sugar bad, pot OK.
Some diabetics NEED sugar quickly from time to time. Why does the mayor of San Francisco hate diabetics?
I never want to hear anyone say, ever again, that the slippery slope is a fallacy.
Well, it's a logical fallacy. But if there is such a thing as a logical politician, I've never seen it. So I usually call "fail" if someone declares slippery slope fallacy in a political discussion.
But it's important to eat healthy:
Let's say you're preparing dinner and you realize with dismay that you don't have any certified organic Tuscan kale. What to do?
Here's how Michelle Obama handled this very predicament Thursday afternoon:
The Secret Service and the D.C. police brought in three dozen vehicles and shut down H Street, Vermont Avenue, two lanes of I Street and an entrance to the McPherson Square Metro station. They swept the area, in front of the Department of Veterans Affairs, with bomb-sniffing dogs and installed magnetometers in the middle of the street, put up barricades to keep pedestrians out, and took positions with binoculars atop trucks. Though the produce stand was only a block or so from the White House, the first lady hopped into her armored limousine and pulled into the market amid the wail of sirens.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/17/AR2009091703679_pf.html
I haven't had pop in years. It's the worst poison you can put in yourself. That said, fuck Gavin Newsom.
Also, people who use hyperbole are worse than Hitler.
ACORN,
K M-W has a whole thread on that already.
Obama wants me to substitute another word for hyperbole,
San Fran mayor and wannabe next governor of the great(ly broke) state of California...
Just contemplating the egotistical belief in one's superpowers one would have to have to run for governor of California at this time. Gavin Newsom is up to the task.
Obama wants me to substitute another word for hyperbole,
And use commas in plac of periods
And misspell simple words,
If the idea is to fight obesity, then this shouldnt target diet soda's correct? With no calories, Coke Zero for example should be uneffected right?
Somehow, I doubt it.
Ultrabole!
gotta love this one...
"It makes sense for the government to help people to make the right choices,"
really? since when is it the government's responsibility to decide what is the 'right' choice. what is 'right' in the eye of one person is likely wrong in the eyes of another. an individual being able to decide what is 'right' for themselves is part and parcel of liberty and freedom.
it is also funny how this liberal douche bag equates taxing something as 'help'. of course it is obvious he thinks he knows what is best for the lowly, confused and uneducated peons he rules over. and because he knows best, he must 'help' them to see the light by taking more of their money.
SF,
Obama wants me to use "logic" instead of "hyperbole."
Assbole?
Obama wants me to help others make the right choice.
Assbole?
RACIST
I mentioned this in another thread, but I recently purchased some Mexican-bottled Coke (with sugar instead of HFCS) at Fresh Market. Great stuff.
Liberals refuse to grow up, and therefore feel they (and the rest of us) need nannies.
"The new tobacco."
Soda is the new tobacco.
Tobacco was the new personal income.
I love how Liberals have such a selective view of the utility of taxes. Raise taxes on a product and it will get people to use less of it. Oh yeah says the liberal. But tell a liberal that raising taxes on income will cause people to work less or raising the cost of hiring a worker will cause businesses to hir less and you just get a blank stare.
The mayor said the city attorney's office has warned him the city would probably be sued over the matter, but he said it is worth the risk
Yeah. That's what the Dover PA School Board said when they decided to tell the kiddies that evolution is not a fact.
I left my soda tax in San Francisco..
I gotta get...i got-got to get it!
Obama wants me to stop drinking sugary soft drinks and to replace them with alcohol. Then I won't care about liberty or anything annoying to Obama like that.
Isn't this an open, direct violation of his oath of office? [...] isn't he saying that he realizes this is illegal?
Yup. Same thing with marrying same-sex couples a few years ago. But what does law matter when you are Making a Politically Correct Statement?
They tell me it's too early to starting shooting people. Is it to early to batter people with a baseball bat?
Why don't they direct their efforts on cutting subsidies on corn? That would make corn syrup more expensive (closer to it's true value anyway)... adding a tax on top of the current subsidy is double dipping.
People who refer to soda as "pop" are worse than Hitler. That said, shut the fuck up, Gavin Newsom.
Obama wants me to shoot people only if I have a badge and a gun.
@ Ross,
That is my view as well. Why tax soda when you can just remove a corn subsidy. Of course then the farmers get pissed. Also, the politicians don't look like they are doing something, because they are getting rid of an entitlement instead of creating a tax. But then that all gets back to Enjoy Every Sandwich's comment about never seeing a logical politician.
X, do you really want to start a soda/pop/soft drink/Coke flame war?
Obama wants me to like Coke, not Royal Crown.
Obama wants me to shoot people only if I have a badge and a gun.... unless you're acting stupidly.
SOOOOOOOOODAAAAAHHHHHH: two syllables
pop: one syllable
QE-FUCKXEONES-D
As a Bay Area denizen, I can assure you that if the soda tax passes, area hipsters will start drinking fizzy, sugary drinks that look a hell of a lot like soda pop. But they won't be called "soda pop" and the sugary syrup will be hand-mixed into the drink by a barista.
Well, sure, Warty, if you pronounce it like Eegah it might sound like that.
Warty,
Can you do it with a pirate accent?
I haven't had pop in years. It's the worst poison you can put in yourself.
I thought your penis was the worst thing I could put in myself.
I rue the day Newsom becomes Governor.
If it happens, we'll be looking back to these times as "the good old days."
let us not forget co-cola.
Let's just cut to the chase and get it over with:
Federally run grocery stores, where you turn in your food vouchers for federally approved foods.
Your voucher allowance will be based on your BMI.
That'll solve all our problems!
So, about this whole drug war re: what we can put into our bodies, and the government control of certain undesirable substances...
Meter's runnin.
I thought your penis was the worst thing I could put in myself.
Are you offering?
Obama wants me to challenge Newsom to a duel.
50 years ago: Sugar OK, pot bad.
Today: sugar bad, pot OK.
Correction:
50 years ago: Tobacco OK, Sugar OK, pot bad.
Today: pot bad, sugar bad, trans-fats bad, tobacco worse than heroin, foie gras bad, salt bad, foods that "taste too good" bad, red meat bad, GM foods bad, [rest ommited due to space constraints]
Are you offering?
Maybe, did you take a shower in the last 72 hours?
Dagny: yes.
Warty: "soda" is a drink. "Pop" is what the cysts on your ass do when you sit down too fast.
Now wait a minute, it only follows if the government is going to be paying for your healthcare, then they should control what types of activities you do.
To bad most people don't seem to understand that. If you make me pay for your healthcare, then I get to decide what you eat, smoke, sports activites etc.
Sure they try and hide it now, but that's the way it will play out. Some type of panel somewhere deciding what you should do.
Then again, the American public has generally proven to be uninformed, and univolved, so maybe the Dems are right, and most of the public does need someone to decide shit for them...
Today: pot bad, sugar bad, trans-fats bad, tobacco worse than heroin, foie gras bad, salt bad, foods that "taste too good" bad, red meat bad, GM foods bad,
Don't forget about bacon. Bacon is so evil it runs the 3rd circle of Hell which is, ironically, gluttony. That is where Ted Kennedy and Jerry Falwell.
....are. d'oh!
"Calling soda the new tobacco...."
What next? Second-hand soda legislation? (Carbonation spreads, ya' know)
(Carbonation spreads, ya' know)
Covered by the carbon tax.
Calling soda the new tobacco
If it is the new tobacco, I would like some of our Cali. posters to inflict some second hand soda drinking on Newsome.
Spew well, my friends.
First they came for the tokers, and I did not speak out because I was not a marijuana smoker. Then they came for the carbon emitters, and I did not speak out because I didn't own a car. Then they came for the soda drinkers and I did not speak out because I was a tea drinker. Then they came for people with balls and I did not speak out because I had none. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Hypobole: Anyone that wants to tax sugar soda is worse than someone that gives you a dirty look.
Dagny, Watch out for snakes!
"Let's just cut to the chase and get it over with:
Federally run grocery stores, where you turn in your food vouchers for federally approved foods.
Your voucher allowance will be based on your BMI.
That'll solve all our problems!"
Your cunning plan ignores the black market and its ability to supply those with a high BMI all the sugary, fat laden goodness they can pay for. With the added black market risk tax of course.
/Can't wait for black market Coke with real cocaine and cane sugar.
I really hope the bottlers and distributors take this douche at his word an agree to stop delivering EVERY product they make to any store in SF for a week or two. He wouldn't be elected dog catcher after the first riot.
I have no fucking sympathy, at all, for the people in the city of San Francisco who have to pay these fucking taxes, because they willingly elect, by huge fucking margins, the pieces of shit who think it is the job of the government to make sure "people make the right decisions". Until those clowns in that dysfunctional piece of shit city quit voting to make 99% of the government Democrat-run, they deserve whatever the fuck they get.
The idea doesn't even work for its intended purpose:
Given the conclusion, we probably should expect a substantial tax shortly.
Yet another stupidly symbolic and pointless proposal by Newsom. A couple years ago the city banned plastic bags. Of course they only banned them at large supermarkets, not mom and pop stores. There are plenty of plastic bags still littering the streets of San Francisco and making Mother Earth cry.
This one is even more pointless. People in SF already go to neighboring Daly City to shop at evil big box stores and avoid stupid taxes and regulations like this one. So Daly City can enjoy even more tax revenues, fat people will keep on enjoying their sugar, and anyone who is too lazy to drive down the peninsula a few miles can just buy their coke at the local liquor store instead of Safeway and avoid the tax that way.
"I have no fucking sympathy, at all, for the people in the city of San Francisco who have to pay these fucking taxes, because they willingly elect, by huge fucking margins, the pieces of shit who think it is the job of the government to make sure "people make the right decisions""
You have a point. Although as a libertarian and former resident of that city until a year ago, I have to say you don't really have much of a choice in a typical election. It's generally a choice between candidate A liberal Democrat and candidate B Green party socialist. Newsom actually represents the more pro business choice believe it or not.
"really? since when is it the government's responsibility to decide what is the 'right' choice. what is 'right' in the eye of one person is likely wrong in the eyes of another. an individual being able to decide what is 'right' for themselves is part and parcel of liberty and freedom.
it is also funny how this liberal douche bag equates taxing something as 'help'. of course it is obvious he thinks he knows what is best for the lowly, confused and uneducated peons he rules over. and because he knows best, he must 'help' them to see the light by taking more of their money."
Generally, I agree with you (why else would I be on a libertarian website), but it isn't so black and white. Who decided we have rights as individuals? Who decided how we would govern ourselves? How and who would make the laws or if laws were even necessary? Etc.
Well, what happened was that some influential people got together and, with the tacit acquiescence of "the people," formed a government - i.e. the social contract (at least according to the liberal tradition) - and this government is, in my post-modern eyes, the ultimate source of the rights your claim.
If these rights are thus contingent, then the matter of what choices should be left up to individuals is not cut in stone, it is open to public debate (in other words, a constant renegotiation of the social contract). If the people of San Fran decide they want a soda tax, then hell, they should get a soda tax.
"It makes sense for the government to help people to make the right choices,"
Seriously? We don't, and never have, needed the government to help us make the right choices. And who exactly will be deciding what is right? I don't need a government to tell me that soda is bad, and I certainly don't want one that taxes me for choosing to drink the stuff. What's next, a ban on Twinkies?
I don't see what all the fuss is about. If I have to pay a few more cents for my diet coke so California doesn't go broke or so we can all have health care, I'm definitely game. http://www.newsy.com/videos/hard_talk_on_soft_drinks
I live in Argentina right now. The food here is just as unhealthy as the states. Everything you eat is Red Meat with a lot of bread, tons of pizza, empanadas. Hot dogs, cheeseburgers, same shit as the states. Also, everyone drinks normal soda. They call you a pussy if you get a diet coke. And guess what? There are hardly no FAT people here.
I don?t know what makes Americans fat, but I think it is a lot more complicated than drinking soda and the idea of taxing soda "try to curb a leading cause of obesity and diabetes" is insane.