The School Crotch Inspector
Fighting the Advil menace, one strip search at a time
There are two kinds of people in the world: the kind who think it's perfectly reasonable to strip-search a 13-year-old girl suspected of bringing ibuprofen to school, and the kind who think those people should be kept as far away from children as possible. The first group includes officials at Safford Middle School in Safford, Arizona, who in 2003 forced eighth-grader Savana Redding to prove she was not concealing Advil in her crotch or cleavage.
It also includes two judges on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, who last fall ruled that the strip search did not violate Savana's Fourth Amendment rights. The full court, which recently heard oral arguments in the case, now has an opportunity to overturn that decision and vote against a legal environment in which schoolchildren are conditioned to believe government agents have the authority to subject people to invasive, humiliating searches on the slightest pretext.
Safford Middle School has a "zero tolerance" policy that prohibits possession of all drugs, including not just alcohol and illegal intoxicants but prescription medications and over-the-counter remedies, "except those for which permission to use in school has been granted." In October 2003, acting on a tip, Vice Principal Kerry Wilson found a few 400-milligram ibuprofen pills (each equivalent to two over-the-counter tablets) and one nonprescription naproxen tablet in the pockets of a student named Marissa, who claimed Savana was her source.
Savana, an honors student with no history of disciplinary trouble or drug problems, said she didn't know anything about the pills and agreed to a search of her backpack, which turned up nothing incriminating. Wilson nevertheless instructed a female secretary to strip-search Savana under the school nurse's supervision, without even bothering to contact the girl's mother.
The secretary had Savana take off all her clothing except her underwear. Then she told her to "pull her bra out and to the side and shake it, exposing her breasts," and "pull her underwear out at the crotch and shake it, exposing her pelvic area." Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between drug warriors and child molesters.
"I was embarrassed and scared," Savana said in an affidavit, "but felt I would be in more trouble if I did not do what they asked. I held my head down so they could not see I was about to cry." She called it "the most humiliating experience I have ever had." Later, she recalled, the principal, Robert Beeman, said "he did not think the strip search was a big deal because they did not find anything."
The U.S. Supreme Court has held that a public school official's search of a student is constitutional if it is "justified at its inception" and "reasonably related in scope to the circumstances which justified the interference in the first place." This search was neither.
When Wilson ordered the search, the only evidence that Savana had violated school policy was the uncorroborated accusation from Marissa, who was in trouble herself and eager to shift the blame. Even Marissa (who had pills in her pockets, not her underwear) did not claim that Savana currently possessed any pills, let alone that she had hidden them under her clothes.
Savana, who was closely supervised after Wilson approached her, did not have an opportunity to stash contraband. As the American Civil Liberties Union puts it, "There was no reason to suspect that a thirteen-year-old honor-roll student with a clean disciplinary record had adopted drug-smuggling practices associated with international narcotrafficking, or to suppose that other middle-school students would willingly consume ibuprofen that was stored in another student's crotch."
The invasiveness of the search also has to be weighed against the evil it was aimed at preventing. "Remember," the school district's lawyer recently told ABC News by way of justification, "this was prescription-strength ibuprofen." It's a good thing the school took swift action, before anyone got unauthorized relief from menstrual cramps.
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Principal Robert Beeman is a 4th-Amendment-disregarding, sadistic, narcophobic gay man... not that there's anything wrong with that!!
What I want to know is, where was Chris Hansen and the Dateline NBC crew when all of this was going on? They're slipping.
I just googled "Robert Beeman" for news articles and all I could find was Jacob's article. Apparently this society doesn't get bent at all with pedophilic behavior in the name of the war on drugs. And I bet the En Banc Court of the ninth circuit won't mind either.
or to suppose that other middle-school students would willingly consume ibuprofen that was stored in another student's crotch.
Well said!
Also, prescription strength ibuprofen is no different than taking a few over the counter strength ibuprofen... nor can you get high off of it. These people should be locked up!
And people wonder why we will be educating our children at home? I don't want to go to prison and I would be forced to hurt everyone involved if that was my daughter.
*Puts another $50 in the Wartlets' private school fund*
If students are allowed to have ibuprofen with parental consent, shouldn't the school have to get parental consent to strip search children for such items? Sure, the parental permission is supposed to come before the child is suspected of possessing Advil, but you'd think that the extra step of strip searching a minor would require school officials to give a call to mom and dad.
Funny, the good principal probably has a stash of amyl nitrite in his desk drawer, because he's gay.
The students should be allowed to strip search Beeman, with the full rubber glove treatment, and see how fun it is for him. Then again, given his proclivities, he'd likely enjoy the whole thing...
You know how the priesthood was (to anyone with any sense) the perfect home for pedophiles, as they had almost unrestricted, fully trusted access to children?
Welcome to the new priesthood.
As if I didn't need yet another reason to homeschool my kids...
"You know how the priesthood was (to anyone with any sense) the perfect home for pedophiles, as they had almost unrestricted, fully trusted access to children?
"Welcome to the new priesthood."
The Catholic priesthood no longer has that kind of unrestricted, fully trusted access to children. After the scandals about some perverted priests, the Church (belatedly) adopted Safe Environment policies.
Govt. schools don't appear to have done this - but I'm sure that the media pressure will soon force them to do so.
ha ha ha!
The rule with petty tyrants, nannymoms, and cops seems to be that it's okay to hurt the chilren...as long as you're doing it for The Children.?
If ANY school official subjected any child of mine to a strip search- if a school official even put hands on my child- that school official might lose the ability to walk and take a piss without mechanical assistance.
Just throwing that out there, because I've gotta have my internet tough guy moment of the day, solving violence with violence.
For The Children.?
solving violence with violence.
History and experience show that it is the best short-term solution.
The War on Drugs Sanity continues in all of it's nonsensicle manifestations. I'd like one of our liberal defender friends tell me again that public school employment is not a sinecure. I'd like an explanation why this principle deserves to remian in a supervisory position. We all know that his career will not be adversely affected by this incident.
Does anyone want to step up to the plate?
"The only thing violence ever solved...is conflict. Ladies, I'm a pacifist. I pass a fist. OK?" -- Jeffrey Jellineck
Not agreeing with this kind of behavior in any way, but the pricipal was not present during the search, which according to the article, was done by a female staff member and the school nurse.
That being said, I'd say give the principal a sharp ice pick slowly inserted under the base of the skull while denying him any over the counter pain meds...
nonsensicle --> nonsensical or nonsensible.
Must____ingest ____ caffeine.
A side issue in this case is that it demonstrates what an absolute hash the courts have made of search procedures because they refuse to adopt the readily apparent hard and fast rules that already exist in the Constitution.
In order to facilitate, say, the searching of school lockers, all that the courts had to do was declare that the school district is the owner of all school property and that students are not leasees of the locker space and have zero right to privacy or expectation of privacy in that space. This would have given the schools the authority to search lockers for truly dangerous items without needing to obtain warrants, while protecting the person of students from unreasonable and abusive searches like this one.
But because the property rights solution is too simple for our asinine courts, they chose instead to craft special rules for warrantless searches of school students, engaging in their usual absurd pantomime of "balancing interests" that the Constitution does not balance. So we end up with a case where poking a 13 year old in the box may actually be permissible, depending on how this court chooses to interpret extraordinarily vague and subjective criteria like whether the search was "reasonably related in scope to the circumstances which justified the interference in the first place" or whether the search was "balanced" by the "interest" of finding a prescription drug.
Fluffy,
I think that's your best post ever. Right on.
In order to facilitate, say, the searching of school lockers, all that the courts had to do was declare that the school district is the owner of all school property and that students are not leasees of the locker space and have zero right to privacy or expectation of privacy in that space. This would have given the schools the authority to search lockers for truly dangerous items without needing to obtain warrants, while protecting the person of students from unreasonable and abusive searches like this one.
The only problem with this is that many adult employees of schools also have lockers, locked desk drawers, or similar storage places that are entitled to a reasonable expectation of privacy. If schools use a property-law exception to search school lockers, then they have a right to search employee lockers. No employee would stand for it.
I know Safford, AZ., and that part of Arizona very well. This incident doesn't suprise me in the least
The only problem with this is that many adult employees of schools also have lockers, locked desk drawers, or similar storage places that are entitled to a reasonable expectation of privacy. If schools use a property-law exception to search school lockers, then they have a right to search employee lockers. No employee would stand for it.
What planet do you work on? The company owns everything on the plant. They want to come in and search my desk, they have every right to do so and I can't stop them. The only things they cannot search are my car and my person. However, if I don't consent to a search of those I get fired. This has been the rule at every place I've ever worked, and is usually explicitly spelled out in the employee handbook.
I wish I could say I was surprised at this, but I can't.
My young cousin (13) was told that he couldn't have contact lense re-wetting solution in school. He had to get a written statement from his optometrist saying that he may need to use it during the course of the day, and it still couldn't be on his person-- like all the other drugs, it had to remain behind lock and key in the office. So whereas before he could administer the eyedrops in class without disruption, now he has to ask the teacher to write him a pass, walk down to the office, ask the secretary to get him an administrator, and the administrator has to get the re-wetting solution and give it to him.
After all this, they still balked because the doctor's note didn't specify a dosage or specific indications. Remember, this is all for a buffered saline solution.
In the same school, a family friend was issued a disciplinary warning for having cough drops while she recovered from a cold. Obviously, a strip search is a whole different level of personal violation, but it seems like a natural progression from the way things are around here.
I remember all this zero-tolerance bullshit starting when I was a Junior in high school. I had a prescription for albuterol (asthma medicine) and when the school nurse told me I had to keep all prescriptions at the nurse's office (which was like a half mile from my boarding school dorm) I literally laughed in her face. If I did that at a public school, I probably would have been shipped to re-education or juvie hall.
Yet another Reason to get your kids out of Government school(s).
All this read is giving me a head ache does any one have any aspirin
LMAO
What planet do you work on? The company owns everything on the plant.
When you work for the government--such as a public school--the rules change because the Constitution protects against state action, not private action.
It takes a special type of person to advocate for strip searching childern.
All this read is giving me a head ache does any one have any aspirin
Just these moist ones from my underwear that I keep for emergencies.
Somebody should tell the US Navy about that. I expect the Army and Air Force veterans who frequent H&R will also be surprised that their lockers couldn't be searched.
This is a clear case of abuse.
But H&R seems to be stoking the outrage over it on a pretty regular basis.
Without really adding anything new to the analysis.
Just saying...
Does anyone know how the billboard/ad campaign that was promised by the last H&R thread on this topic turned out?
Hear hear.
My grandmother grew up just outside of Safford. Once upon a time her uncle shot a man for messing with his girls. The sheriff came out and dragged the dead guy off. No more was ever said.
Hard to imagine that we've gone from that to strip searching little girls in less than 80 years.
J sub D,
I'm glad you challenged me because it made me look up the relevant legal standard.
"Applicability of the fourth amendment does not turn on the nature of the property interest in the searched premises, but on the reasonableness of the person's privacy expectation. . . Furthermore, defendant's assertion that a public employer is free to search the premises of an employee is a broad overstatement of the relevant law. The cases indicate that an employer may conduct a search in accordance with a regulation or practice that would dispel in advance any expectations of privacy." Gillard v. Schmidt, 579 F.2d 825, 829 (3d Cir. 1978).
Basically, if your school or other government employer has a policy that areas to which you expect privacy will be routinely searched for workplace reasons, then they can search those areas. That's why Navy footlockers can get searched. However, the government can't just go through your private stuff looking for contraband without probable cause or some other exigent circumstance.
ibuprofen and naproxen sodium are commonly used to treat cramps. why is that so suspicious if an 8th grade girl has them??? especially at that age, anything having to do with the topic of pms is humiliating.
Great article Mr. Sullum. Keep up the good work.
If any raving bureaucrat had pulled this on a child of mine, he'd need a lot more than ibuprofen when I was done with him.
-jcr
As a member of that fourth (perhaps lower?)class of citizens known as public school teachers that is reviled here with near-religious fervor, I can offer no defense for this action or this principal. The action taken is abhorrent to me personally, and professionally, I would have stopped at the bookbag search and let it go.
Neu Mejican, you commented that there was no new analysis being offered. I wonder what else there is to do at this point except bitch about the situation.
As far as I know, no student has ever been strip-searched at my school, but we have asked that they not bring glass bottles to school (in the past they've broken them on the playground and attacked each other) and to bring only unopened juice or soda on class trips or with their lunches (in the past, they've filled them with alcoholic beverages and caused lots of problems on class trips).
My school has more issues to contend with than the possibility of smuggled Advil, but I do not believe my principal or any member of the administration would ever suggest that we strip search a student or go into lockers or bookbags without consent or reasonable cause.
I do understand that there are fine legal lines we have to tread when it comes to student welfare and school safety. If we overstep the bounds and accuse students of that which they are not guilty, then the school is said to be heavy-handed. If we do not keep illegal drugs or weapons out of the school, we are endangering the whole student and staff population, and are guilty again.
I attended private schools when I was young, and a public high-school for three years. I saw little difference in the policies between the two, and in fact I felt safer in my public high school than I did in the private high school I attended my Freshman year. I understand the benefits of school choice, but as far as the benefits of a private education being better than public, I have to wonder why it is a universally held belief that one is inherently better, safer, and more reasonable in situations where "zero tolerance" is being exercised.
Addendum to my post: the bookbag search would have been conducted only if deemed absolutely necessary - quite a subjective line of reasoning, I know, but I suppose it could be used as a gesture to show activity on the part of the "responsible adults" involved.
I wonder how we expect kids to grow up into functional adults when everything they do is minutely scrutinized and cast as wrong.
Literacy comes in all forms, including the ability to calculate average gas mileage and understand a prescription bottle or OTC medication instructions. Rather than having zero-T for all drugs, why not teach kids the physiological effects of the medications, how to read dosage instructions, and then trust them to exercise that knowledge when it comes to self-medicating headaches and sniffles?
Rather than having zero-T for all drugs, why not teach kids the physiological effects of the medications, how to read dosage instructions, and then trust them to exercise that knowledge when it comes to self-medicating headaches and sniffles?
That would make too much sense.
Just FYI for y'all advocating leaving Govt schools. Since this is near and dear to my heart after writing a rather large (for me) check for my kid's tuition, it's the same in the private school. All the check does is give you a slightly higher ability to bitch, but they won't budge on this. Fucking lawyers suing people for stupid shit has a lot to do with it, they're scared to let kids monitor their own dosages.
If I were that girl's parents, I'd sue everybody within a five-mile radius.
one time i had prescription strength ibuprofen for tendonitis in my knee. the prescription ran out and instead of paying $50 for another trip to see the doctor and then buy overpriced pills, I bought regular strength ibuprofen and took the equivalent dose.
IT WAS THE SHIZNIT! I GOT SO HIGH!
(not)
made my knee better though.
I have to say, that you may be reading of how I was convicted of assault on a few school administrators if this was my child.
Stan, this a child molester thread. Please pick up the white courtesy phone.
So, Abdul, are you saying that the school would only need to announce that lockers are subject to search in order to search them?
How does that relate to a body search? Can the school also announce that anyone entering the building is subject to search? How about bookbag searches?
I think something else we should be teaching kids is their rights. We need to teach are kids that when they come upon a request like this to say "no", you need to call my parents or my attorney. This kind of questioning should count as the same a police questioning of a minor and they should have a parent or a child advocate present. If they force the issue after the "no" you can be sure this would be in a court. I would also be at every school board meeting till everyone involved in it was fired,as they should be now. This parent could definitely run for school board this year and win, on this platform alone, they should do it. They should hold an independent meeting and find people from each precinct with the same ideals and take the board over, then fire the superintendent,principal,nurse,and attorney.
Jiminy that is pretty much an employment law. It would not apply to the students.
This is the cumulative impact of several decades of liberal policies dominating our education and legal systems.
Congrats Libs. Look at what you've given us!
Abdul, thanks for doing the grunt work.
t.freg, if you take off your, it's all the libs fault glasses you're wearing, you would see that their is enough blame to go around.
The republican's had a chance to save us for 6 of the last 7 years. Where was your team then?
I will first say that I agree completely that this search was ridiculous and inappropriate and I am sure very unpleasant and embarrassing for the student. I really see no reason why high school students should not be able to carry legal, non-intoxicating, over the counter drugs to school without pre-arrangement.
But, I see nowhere in this story that there was any evidence of molestation, sexual misconduct or anything of the sort. Nudity does not equal sex, folks, and that is something a lot of people still need to learn, apparently.
t.ferg | April 2, 2008, 4:30pm | #
This is the cumulative impact of several decades of liberal policies dominating our education and legal systems.
Sounds more like a tough on crime policy of supposed conservatives to me.
TrickyVic: The republican's had a chance to save us for 6 of the last 7 years. Where was your team then?
Garrison Keillor (liberal) disagrees. The GOP rarely has an opportunity to reform education, because the blowhards who own the education monopoly are brain-dead hippies who merely shout their opponents.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/keillor/2008/01/30/education/
The principal should have a glass thermometer shoved up his dick and broken with a heavy ball-peen hammer.
Zeb:
I think part of the point is, too much can be inferred from a male principal wanting a young female to be undressed and have certain parts of her anatomy checked.
But, I see nowhere in this story that there was any evidence of molestation, sexual misconduct or anything of the sort
A person was made, by coercion, to take her clothes off and show her body to a male adult. That's sexual harassment, and in my book, sexual misconduct.
Nudity does not equal sex, folks
Nobody said there was sex, only that she was strip searched without a warrant, and that she suffered a humiliation by being stripped in front of a male adult. Please read the article again. There was a clear violation of her rights.
The U.S. Military Academy at West Point has a zero tolerance policy towards lying, cheating, stealing, and tolerating those among them that do.
How is that enforced compared to how zero tolerance policies are enforced in public schools?
This event demonstrates far more than just school officials out of touch with the reality of society's drugs, it also demonstrates school officials out of touch with reality, and their own humanity. They are the subtle monsters that turn kids off of the educational system in a hundred small ways.
she suffered a humiliation by being stripped in front of a male adult. Please read the article again.
i did. that turns out not to be the case.
Edna,
You are right, the principal was not there, only the female nurse and a female teacher. My apologies.
It is still a case of violation of the individual's rights, and is still a case of harassment.
Good thing it wasn't my daughter or they'd be looking for a new principal and trying desperately to find the BODY of the old one.
ft, i think an earlier commenter hit it right on the head- our children have to be taught that requests like this have to be met with a firm, "no! call my parents, call my lawyer, i'm not going to do it until they tell me to." and to use screams, punches, and kicks on anyone who tries to do anything physical without a parent's explicit consent.
oh, yes, and to scream, "rape! rape!"
I agree edna. I don't think this type of assault should be consented to (I'm not suggesting a child of this age can legally consent though) no matter who the perpetrator is, principal, a stranger, or even say an uncle.
I'm a bit bewildered by one thing having read the entire article and comments however. I see that no-one technically committed assault or battery as it seems the student had to do the acts herself. But is there not a criminal charge that can be laid in these circumstances? If it were my child I would NOT be committing violent acts (or making half-cocked threats of same). I would be seeking to press criminal charges against the perpetrators.
This zero-tolerance crap really pisses me off. What the deal is, nobody has to THINK about the situation being subject to interpretation. It's either 1 or 0, and most morons can pick one or the other.
As for the hippies, don't be so fucking sure they are in control of a damn thing.
First, this case demonstrates the absurdity of "zero tolerance" -- which always seems to expand to cover irrelevant, harmless items. Even granting the appropriateness of school rules against recreational drugs, there is no justification for school rules against medicines with no recreational potential.
Second, even if the student in question had the medicines, there would be justification for the search. An appropriate response would be to *educate* the student(s) regarding them. In particular, it would be worth informing the student(s) that as ibuprofen and naproxen are both NSAIDS, they should not be taken together.
Third: That said, I do not see why a *strip* search should make this case such a big deal. Students have to strip completely and walk around buck naked practically every day they go to school. They do this when they take a shower in "physical education".
Degrading, disgraceful public school system, yet another infringement on our rights by the gov't. Add it to the ever-growing list of violations:
They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
Write in Dr. Ron Paul and save this great country.
The U.S. Military Academy at West Point has a zero tolerance policy towards lying, cheating, stealing, and tolerating those among them that do.
How is that enforced compared to how zero tolerance policies are enforced in public schools?
Third: That said, I do not see why a *strip* search should make this case such a big deal. Students have to strip completely and walk around buck naked practically every day they go to school. They do this when they take a shower in "physical education".
There aren't faculty watching them.
Pics or it didn't happen
So-called "Zero Tolerance Policies" are put into place to train the People to accept tyranny. Of course strip searching a 13 year girl for aspirin is ridiculous - its suppose to be! If these nimrod "officals" can order these petty, outrageous actions because "it's our policy" with a clean conscious then they wont have a problem condeming us to the gulag or putting us against a wall. After all it policy and they are just following orders!
School authorities have no authority to strip search anyone ever. If they think the student has a gun or a bomb, call 911.
Any student asked to strip should be taught to call his parent and/or walk out.
And Dan Clore, what would you say if your boss did a strip search on you?
"Zero Tolerance" policies were put into place because cowardly bureaucrats were afraid that allowing themselves discretion to act on a case by case basis would expose them to discrimination suits and claims of disparate treatment.
But this is just silly. Strip searching a student for glorified Advils.
The local school board should institute a "Zero Tolerance" policy for stupidity among school administrators.
REVOLUTION is the Solution!!!
Why not tell these people and organizations how you feel?
Vice Principal Kerry Wilson
Principal Robert Beeman
Superintendent Mark Tregaskes
Safford, Arizona Middle School
734 11Th Street
Safford, AZ 85546
Phone Number: (928) 348-7040
http://az.localschooldirectory.com/schools_info.php/school_id/3495
I can't think of a better way to pound into today's youth that "WE ARE IN TOTAL CONTROL","RESISTANCE IS FUTILE",and "DON'T GO AGAINST US WHEN YOU GROW UP" than to strip-search a 13Yo girl for a couple of pills;I don't WHAT kind they were.You don't have to do it to all of the kids,just a few,the word spreads,and they all stay in line...
Well, you could email everyone involved. This is ridiculous.
Here's the school's website:
http://www.saffordusd.k12.az.us/
Personally, if I was this girl's mother, I would be raising seven kinds of Hell at this school. I'm a teacher, and never in my life have I heard of a case with such blatent disregard for the student's feeling, and conducting such a search without parental involvement.
If this had happened to me, my parents would have raised so much Hell that I tremble to think of it. Dad was a lawyer, Mom was a former teacher with zero fear of school administrators...
But, luckily for me, I graduated high school before the "War on Drugs" kicked into insane high gear. Thank you, Nancy Reagan---now could you do us all a favor and commit honorable seppuku, please?
I can't believe how retarded the States has become since your president blew up the twin towers. What kind of trouble could a kid get themselves into with a handful of Advil anyway? That article makes me proud to live in Canada, where I've never had to cross a metal detector or put my backpack through an x ray to get into my school. The buds are plentiful and cheap, not to mention readilly available from your local high school. I've never heard of a student being strip searched at school, an annual visit from a cop and his german sheppard patrolling the halls is about as bad as it gets. Shit is gettin scary down south.
For some reasons, which I fail to understand, the United State Constitution does not apply to minors. Minors are denied the rights that we happily grant even to terrorists. Americans are busy worrying about the loss of freedom we supposedly have incurred due to the Patriot Acts, yet care nothing about the continuous police busts on minors that are trying to party.
Soon the government will decide that you are under age till you turn 65. This will legally transform our country in a fierce dictatorship.
From a 60 year old guy. Still 5 years to go before I am safe!
Go to the source and ask questions:
Wilson, Kerry, Mr.
Assistant Principal
Room: SMS_Office
Phone: 928-348-7040 ext. 3248
E-Mail: KWilson@saffordusd.k12.az.us
Literally, they would have to call the cops on me because I would wipe the floor with anybody that EVER treated anyone I knew like that, especially someone as vulnerable as a teenage girl. Make no mistake, this is a clear cut case of child molestation unless they can pull some reason out their ass on why advil is dangerous in school, not to mention how they would do it on the word of a student already in trouble. I don't recognize this country anymore, and it makes me sad to have to say that.
Can someone do me a favor?
This abuse of a 13 yr old minor isn't unique. MANY, MANY cases are similar.
This pattern is the same case after case, but we'll use this one for an example.
Authorities get a 'tip' on drugs.
Like Savana's case.
So they search her locker, find NOTHING.
Gather her belongings, and search her backpack, etc, and find NOTHING.
>NOW< authorities, get an inspiration, or according to the judges a "reasonable expectation", that if they strip search her and remove her bra and panties, that THEN they will find contraband.
Pardon my French, but how the frick do they figure that!??!?!?!
So those judges are saying that if I accused them of selling drugs. That the police would search their lockers, their offices and their cars and houses.
And find NOTHING.
That the police would STILL have a "reasonable expectation" that if they strip searched them and pulled their shorts off that they would find drugs???
HUH?? Maybe its just me, but I don't get it.
If winning the "War on Drugs" depends on pulling the panties off of women & children, then we are in BIG trouble.
The 4th amendment says "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Now for the favor?.please email the Attorney General of the United States and see if we can get an answer from him.
Dept of Justice United States : AskDOJ@usdoj.gov
Episiarch | April 2, 2008, 9:05am | #
You know how the priesthood was (to anyone with any sense) the perfect home for pedophiles, as they had almost unrestricted, fully trusted access to children?
Welcome to the new priesthood.
++++++++++
so sorry "epi", to bust your bubble. you just HAD to bring this into the chat.
go and google how many RC priests,how many children....and HOW MANY,what % were involved,how many cases are total bs etc.
ya know what the main difference IS epi ?
how many bankrupting LAWSUITS are being brought forth against the gubmint schools,which by the way.....have a HIGHER INCIDENCE of sexual abuse than the catholic church.
don't believe me ? educate yourself.
where are the lawsuits against the school districts ? lawsuits against the individuals ?
go and utilize gooooooooooogle and educate yourself.
Just a comment...
"Zero tolerence" is just a coward's way to avoid ever having to make a judgment call.
If someone did this to my child they would have a hell of a lot more to worry about that a lawsuit. Starting with my foot up their ass.
Strip searcing a 13 yr old young lady, I dont care who u r no principle has that right. If it comes to that then the parents r police need to be involed. As a father My family would be so rich from a law suit. A I don't think that principle would ever want to meet me. Some ones going to get the hell beat out of him even if i have to go to jail r notMy young daughter would be worth it.
Fucking morons. the world would be better without them.
The US Supreme court held up that her rights were violated, but noted that the search was warranted due to sufficient information that she was going to distribute a contraband substance. The search occurred with persons of the same sex. Though extreme and in violation of fourth amendment rights as noted by the Supreme Court, this web site's bias is extremely out of line. Read the information on the case before posting. Don't repost someone's rant, it's tacky
" It's a good thing the school took swift action, before anyone got unauthorized relief from menstrual cramps."
Haha, seriously. What has our world come to when our rights and our children's rights are violated and people think its okay just because its in the name of the war on drugs or anything like that... its just ridiculous.
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