FBI: Zimmerman Not Racist, Occupy Riot in L.A., Anybody Serious About the Deficit?: P.M. Links

  • A new FBI report indicates that there is no evidence that George Zimmerman’s shooting of Trayvon Martin was motivated by race.
  • The head of Britain’s Secret Intelligence Services told a group of high-ranking civil servants that he believes Iran is two years away from building a nuclear bomb.
  • About 200 Occupy movement protesters in Los Angeles clashed with 140 police Thursday night over chalk drawings during the monthly Art Walk gallery event downtown. Participants claimed the protest was over previous arrests of people writing on the sidewalk with chalk. Police confirmed some of the 17 arrested last night were also for drawing on the sidewalk.
  • Digg, once a pioneer in social media story-sharing technology, was sold Thursday for $500,000. It was once valued at $160 million, but suffered from a significant loss of users over the past few years as Twitter and Facebook grew, offering other avenues to share content online with friends.
  • Oakland, Calif., pot dispensary Harborside Health Center is resisting efforts by the federal government to shut down their clinic, and they have the support of community leaders. U.S. Attorney Susan Haag is attempting to seize the center’s property, which also the home of an unrelated security company that could be shut down as well. Oakland’s own city attorney declared Haag’s actions a waste of resources.
  • President Barack Obama declared that Mitt Romney is “not serious” about fighting the deficit if Romney is not willing to let a tax cut for income greater than $250,000 a year lapse. At the same time, the Obama Administration is encouraging states to seek out waivers to loosen the rules of a federal grant welfare-to-work program approved under President Bill Clinton. Is anybody serious about fighting the deficit?
  • Journalists, bloggers, and writers from around the world are invited to enter the 2012 Bastiat Prize for Journalism, which will honor commentary, analysis, and reporting that best demonstrates the importance of freedom and its underlying institutions.

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Police confirmed some of the 17 arrested last night were also for drawing on the sidewalk.

    What about that kid, walking down the sidewalk and finding pictures of pee-pees and wee-wees in chalk drawings? Doesn't he deserve better? Look, if you think this is about class warfare, you'd better think again. This is about that kid's right to take a walk without getting his mind warped. Or maybe that turns you on, Occupiers... Maybe that's how you get your kicks... You and your goodtime buddies... I've got a flash for you, joy boys. Partytime is over.

  • John||

    My only question is was the art any good? If it was, then leave them alone. If it wasn't, considering the generally low quality of hipster retard art and graffiti it probably wasn't, then lock them up.

    What about the kid walking down the street and has to suffer through looking at third grade level scrawls and the hipster retard who painted them? What about that kid fist?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I've seen your type before, John - flashy, making the scene, flaunting convention.

  • Archduke PantsFan||

    Mr Bookman?

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    That was my first Capitalist guess.

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    Imperialist Capitalist

  • Elphie||

    In case anyone doesn't get FoE's reference, it's from an especially hilarious Senifeld episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zePQavforA.

  • Ice Nine||

    Would you please consider becoming a permanent fixture here?

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    Second the measure. When is the next coordinating committee of the collective?

  • Killazontherun||

    I had a friend back there who thought he was THE sage on media and good taste, and had a rather derisive opinion for my Seinfeld fandom. I insisted we were going to watch Seinfeld that night, as a new episode was airing, and it was that episode. He really hated me after that for showing him up to be the pretentious jerk wad asshole know nothing he was and I assume still is.

  • Killazontherun||

    I had a friend back there ?!?!?

    It's like he channels dead crazy people!

  • Killazontherun||

    To paraphrase the guy, just so you get a sense of how bad this guy's shit stunk:

    Do you see Gabriel José de la Concordia García Márquez on the credits? Then how good could it possibly be?

  • ||

    None of Gabbo's work is remotely translatable onto the screen, as any person who knows what magical realism is can tell you. So yeah, he was probably talking out of his ass.

  • Killazontherun||

    He would never have used 'Gabbo', or a nick, anything short of the full name would have been a display of ignorance, and the paraphrase is only a paraphrase in the sense that the colloquial expressions I used to make it intelligible to conversational conventions would have never parted his lips either. I hung around him for the entertainment value of his damaged psyche. Tulpa would get all the free meals and drinks he ever wanted given what I find amusing.

  • Paul.||

    I had a friend back there who thought he was THE sage on media and good taste, and had a rather derisive opinion for my Seinfeld fandom

    Hugh Akston has the same opinion of my Venture Brothers fandom.

  • Killazontherun||

    I'm sad for Hugh then. If you can't appreciate a show where super hot female assassins are sent over when the doctor orders women for a party from an escort service turn into hideous fly women because the doctor hedged the chances of getting laid (from escorts!) with a super Spanish fly concoction then you have no business living.

  • Coeus||

    As much as I love that show, I almost wish that had been the series finale. It was just perfect.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Oakland’s own city attorney declared Haag’s actions a waste of resources.

    It looks like the Oakland city attorney wants to get his house and car seized. In fact, seize all of Okland itslef AND TREMBLE BEFORE THE POWER OF THE UNITED STATE ATTORNEY.

  • ||

    From the assassination/interrogation thread

    Tulpa, 19 losers from Saudi Arabia can kill 2800 Americans and shut down New York. You people are living in the past. We live in an age where any loser can cause tremendous harm.

    I had no idea that John was so pathetic and cowardly. It goes well beyond his usual personal attacks, misuse and misspelling of simple words, and general ignorance.

    It's just... sad that a grown adult lives in the kind of abject terror which that quote shows. I think the worst part though, is the ridiculous mental contortions Johns uses to justify such a craven mindset.

    I mean, he's afraid of dirt poor brown people 5000 miles away and thinks his cowardice is sufficient reason to kill them in their mud huts...

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Don't cross the threads!

  • John||

    I in contrast knew quite well you are an idiot Mary. Tens of thousands of people all over the world have been murdered by terrorists of all colors. It is not hard to build a bomb and blow people up, especially if you are willing to die with your bomb. It is called asymmetric warfare.

    Now lay off the bath salts and take your meds like your kids want you to take. The adults are talking.

  • Tonio||

    Pot, Kettle; Kettle, Pot.

  • John||

    If you have a point to make make it. Invective is a poor substitute for argument.

  • ||

    "Invective is a poor substitute for argument."

    "I in contrast knew quite well you are an idiot Mary"

    John losing.

  • John||

    If you could read Mary, you would see the rest of the post is an argument. But sadly you can't in your current state.

    Just get some help.

  • ||

    If you could read Mary, you would see the rest of the post is an argument

    So your argument is so weak you bring the invective first.

    John still losing.

  • ||

    And you'll notice he ignores his own blatant hypocrisy to point out that AFTER he engaged in invective, he made an argument.

    John, being a hypocritical coward and losing.

  • John||

    WAAAAAAA As I said Mary, you have been fed enough for the day. No more troll feeding. Go find another board to post on.

  • ||

    See, john, thats more your speed, crying like a cowardly little bitch.

  • John||

    You are such a tough guy Mary. Lefty always are. They are just so angry at everyone. God you are pathetic. So pathetic I feel kind of guilty laughing at you.

  • ||

    No more troll feeding

    So you're a hypocrite a coward and a liar.

  • ||

    John am I a tough guy or am I mary?

    You're so pissed off you can't even keep your invective straight.

  • Pip||

    Who gives a fuck? What is this, a middle-school girls locker room?

  • John||

    Mary is an angry and bitter person pip. This is all she has. We probably shouldn't taunt her the way we do. But it is so fun and she is so sad, it is hard not to.

  • ||

    You're really better off filtering her, John. Some trolls are fun to taunt, but this one is to boring to be any fun.

  • John||

    You are right Warty. That kind of stupid and crazy is better off ignored.

  • ||

    Nothing to debate john admitted everything I said.

    Now don't you have some shitty music to link to that nobody cares about

    I mean seriously what kind of oblivious f*** links to nothing but crappy youtube videos all the time then call someone else's post a question

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    I like Warty's links. He has fine taste in music. You go die, bitch.

  • ||

    People eat shit too that doesn't mean it tastes good

  • ||

    It's nice to be appreciated by my fans. Here, a gift.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    I raise my martini glass to you, sir.

    *clink*

    Cheers!

  • ||

    Cheers! Let's all listen to some nice, relaxing Nile.

  • ||

    And I love how you are all "don't feed it" until I made fun of your music and hurt your feelings and then you responded.

  • ||

    Shouldn't you be fellating john?

  • Nooge.||

    Nice, Warty! I thought I was the only who (sometimes) posts here that likes those guys. Have you heard this? It's from their album AEALO.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    No one likes Nile. Those that say they do are simply amazed at how fucking fast they are. But that is altogether different from liking it.

  • ||

    And john is a lying hypocritical howard just in this thread.

    You notice how he realized he made himself a liar by "feeding the troll" but stil cant stop trying to show me up.

    He lost nd he hates it.

  • R C Dean||

    You get an RC'z Law for claiming John a Howard, d.

  • ||

    Considering my post had nothing to do with spelling or grammar, that is stupid

  • ||

    You care enough to comment dumbass

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    Should be "knew quite well you were an idiot Mary". Capitalists are devoid robber barons of knowledge and they care not who sees.

  • ||

    Is "devoid" an adjective now, or what?

  • ||

    The lying scumbag "deafie" put up a new blog after he realized he was caught lying about the TSA insulting him and defends himself (poorly) here

    http://idontlikeattention.tumb.....7003111028

    "Furthermore, the whole me being a liar thing makes zero sense. If I were to be lying, the obvious purpose would be to slur the TSA, correct? If I were slurring the TSA, why the fuck would I try to be covering it up?"

    Because it got bigger than you wanted and you realized you were going to get caught lying, you fucking asshole.

  • John||

    Why don't you tell us more about your love and affection for authority. Of course the TSA was right. Of course he was lying. You love authority don't you.

  • ||

    Why don't you tell us more about your love and affection for authority.
    dieinafiredunphy

    Look up my posting history so you realize why what you jus posted is so irrefutably retarded.

    Yes, I, the renowned cop and authority griefer am apparently in love with AUTHORTIY and didn't realize it!!!

    John losing.

  • John||

    Poor Mary. Are you angry?

  • ||

    I mean, he's ACTUALLY SO FUCKING STUPID that he didn't realize he's talking to the only person here who routinely hates authority more than sarc and sloopy, but because he HAS to insult me for pointing out he's a coward, he makes a fool of himself with a profoundly stupid accusation.

  • John||

    Mary you are really getting angry. Maybe you shouldn't have layed off the bath salts. Self medication is better than no medication. I think you have been fed enough for the day.

  • ||

    Mary you are really getting angry.
    Invective is a poor substitute for argument.

    John losing.

  • Pip||

    No bitch, the people wanting a reasonable discussion are losing. Fuck off.

  • ||

    I had no idea PIP was johns sockpuppet

  • Cytotoxic||

    Go home Mary.

  • ||

    How about we both escrow 500 to a 3rd party and compare posting histories to see who loves authority john?

    Can't wait for your excuse

  • Cytotoxic||

    Mary, go home.

  • ||

    Unless you're another sock puppet for john I'm not talking to you
    Come on john put up or shut up

  • ||

    John ran and hid, huge surprise.

  • ||

    I mean, he's ACTUALLY SO FUCKING STUPID that he didn't realize he's talking to the only person here who routinely hates authority more than sarc and sloopy

    Whoa, whoa, whoa, you have crossed a line there. I can compete in any pig hating contest and hold my own thank you very much. While Sarc in downloading gigabytes of porn, I, on the other hand, feed a continuous rage against all that is authority.

  • Caleb Turberville||

    This isn't gonna help with the stereotype that they're all attention-seeking liars.

  • The Hammer||

    Deaf people are attention-seeking liars? I hadn't heard this stereotype.

  • wareagle||

    me neither. When did this trend start?

  • Caleb Turberville||

    Oops, just a little dry humor to service the troll.

  • wareagle||

    dammit...just when it appeared that we were on the bleeding edge of a new phenomenon.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    After interviewing nearly three dozen people in the George Zimmerman murder case, the FBI found no evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, records released Thursday show.

    From NBC News: After interviewing nearly three dozen people in the George Zimmerman murder case, the FBI found...evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, records released Thursday show.

  • John||

    WTF?

  • BakedPenguin||

    Creative editing.

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    Of course a Bushpig would be confused.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    I trademarked that term. You owe me.

  • ||

    There you are! We were wondering what happened to you today. Tough day at the office?

  • Cytotoxic||

    Now it's talking to itself...

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Win

  • ||

    Holy shit. Could NBC be any worse? Outright fucking lies. Gotta stick with that narrative....

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    NBC News isn't going to report this development. They've got their hands full not reporting Fast and Furious. Besides, they did the damage already. The narrative is out there. Zimmerman is racist.

  • wareagle||

    but the Romney-is-a-felon meme is emerging as a new talking point.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    He lied on FEC disclosure forms about his status as CEO of Bain 2000-2002.

    However a prosecution by the DOJ would appear politically motivated. It won't happen.

  • Night Elf Mohawk||

    When even the Washington Post says that dog won't hunt, you might as well give it up.

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    He made investments in companies that used aborted babies for Capitalistic ends while he lied about being gone from Bain.

  • Brutus||

    Amazing, I didn't even see David Axelrod's lips move.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Fast and Furious - the episode that made wingnuts turn anti-gun and anti free trade.

    I'm for MORE of FandF!

  • Cytotoxic||

    Please stop using words you don't understand. Or better yet just stop using words.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    I'm for a NAFTA style Free Trade zone 25 miles from the Mexi border for free gun trade and recreational drug sales.

    Hell, fuck that - just expand Fast And Furious nationwide.

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    Right on!

  • Brutus||

    Words, strung together, signifying nothing.

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    Fast and Furious was started by Bushpigs. It is old news.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Lies.

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    Everybody with a brain knows he is a racist. The coverup is laughable.

  • ||

    Damn you reason!

    Guy thinks America is an alcoholic brother who you try to avoid. He admits it has a problem and points out the [ten]-steps to bettering itself.

    Of course, in reality, America is an overly paternalistic mother, telling you what to eat, to always buckle up, and not to hang out or trade pogs with the neighbor across the street.

    10 Things Most American's Don't Know About America

    P.S. Don't screw me squirrels!

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Ah, yes, healthcare in other countries is "free". No one pays for it at all.

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    My country 'tis of thee . . .

  • The Hammer||

    That was a waste of time. 2 good points surrounded by 20,000 words of Tony-grade self-righteous bullshit.

  • MJGreen||

    Hint to that guy: If you're looking to impress people, don't admit to not knowing very basic history.

    That you're so stupid as to be "stumped" by statements like, "Hitler was primarily defeated by Russia (not us), Native Americans were wiped out by a plague (not us)," etc., casts huge doubt on all of your other bullshit generalizations.

    And if he truly has lived in the south (or the northeast, for that matter), and thinks Americans don't know how to show gratitude... he is not a reliable observer. Really, the more I read, the more this guy looks to be a social midget. I imagine he has the rapist face of Jonah from Veep.

  • John||

    That whole thing is a pile of stupid. What a complete smug asshole.

  • ||

    Hooray! I'm glad Reason finally let me post it so that others could feel the same pain of many braincells dying that I felt when reading it.

    And to think, my sister said she thought I wrote it under a pseudonym! (I told her there wasn't nearly enough gubmint-blaming for me to have written it.)

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    In our culture, appreciation and affection are implied rather than spoken outright... Feelings are almost never shared openly and freely.

    Thank god for that. What this country needs are more Spocks, and less Kirks.

  • ||

    I know I am going to get slammed, but I pretty much agree with this dude. We are only god at incarcerating people people, bombing brown people, and spending on war. Yet, we somehow think we are the shit.

    I really don't give a fuck how we nearly wiped out the indians, whether it was a plauge, we shot them all, or they died on forced marches, but it was pretty fucked up how they were treated.

  • kwais||

    Well he is wrong about everything else in his comparison to the USA.

    Yeah, we are way less free than we should be (and government healthcare would make us even LESS free).

    But still we are way ahead of most the planet in quality of life.

    And NO foreign countries are ambiguous about Americans as he says.

    Well none of the 27 countries that I have been to.

  • Mike M.||

    Gee, I find it rather remarkable how almost all of our left-wing griefer trolls just happened to take the day off today on the same day! O3 and Tony Krugnuts were the only ones I saw here at all today.

    It's making me think that Shrieking Idiot might actually be just another one of Mary Stack's ten or twenty different personae.

  • John||

    I think Shreek might be real. The rest of them are just Stack's multiple personalities.

  • Mike M.||

    I thought that as well. But Stack obviously took today off, and I never saw S.I. here once today. It really makes me wonder.

  • John||

    I really think sometimes she gets confined or arrested. But she is above. But that is the first time she has shown up.

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    All Bushpigs can do is namecall.

  • ||

    Uh...you think?

  • Tulpa the White||

    shrike's been here for many years, so I don't think so.

  • Mike M.||

    Stack has also been around here for a pretty long time.

  • $park¥||

    Who do these people think they are? I sure hope the government gets involved soon.

    A man's dying wish for a random act of kindness turned into a waitress' good fortune in Kentucky, and now more struggling restaurant servers could be in for generous surprises.

    Relatives of Aaron Collins, 30, who died on July 7, carried out his last wish by giving a random waitress in Lexington a $500 tip after their pizza dinner, MyFoxTwinCities.com reports.

  • John||

    She better have declared that!!

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    When you get money the last thing you want is for the govt to find out.

  • $park¥||

    I sure hope people get the intended sarcasm...

  • John||

    They will.

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    FOX fascist propaganda. The 1930's literature is full of it.

  • ||

    FUCK YOU WEBMASTER!!!!

  • ||

    Maybe if I try to post it here...

    All right, fuck it. If anyone wants to know what a well-traveled douchebag liberal thinks about America and what America should know, google search "10 Things Americans Don't Know About America".

    Then come back and discuss, if the squirrels will let you do anything.

  • ||

    I now see that my anger was misplaced... all I had to do was email the webmaster. D'oh! I am humbled

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    YOU FOOL! Now they have your email address.

  • ||

    hehehe, no worries. I used my work email. That's thinking with the ol' brain (points at stomach)

  • wareagle||

    posting on Reason at work. Always a good sign of a committed employee.

  • ||

    Good enough for government work

  • wareagle||

    you, sir, deserve a raise. And another week's vacation.

  • ||

    Just give me a week's worth of sick pay. That way I can cash it out when I quit.

  • $park¥||

    It's a frickin' LASER!

    The National Ignition Facility (NIF) -- a laser test facility at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, Calif. -- turned on its 192 laser beams for a scant instant the day after the nation celebrated its birth, unleashing a record-setting 1.85-megajoule blast into a target chamber that delivered more than 500 trillion watts of power.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    And here I thought the NIF was where you went to get free distributor caps.

  • ||

    "It's a chemical laser but in solid, not gaseous, form. Put simply, in deference to you, Kent, it's like lasing a stick of dynamite. As soon as we apply a field, we couple to a state that is radiatively coupled to the ground state. I figure we can extract at least ten to the twenty-first photons per cubic centimeter which will give one kilojoule per cubic centimeter at 600 nanometers, or, one megajoule per liter."

  • Pro Libertate||

    That's hotter than the sun!

  • SugarFree||

    With the gas tanks you've designed the beam would only last for forty seconds. What good is that?

  • Pro Libertate||

    I don't care, SugarFree. I graduated.

  • ||

    I passed! But I failed!

  • SugarFree||

    Well, then I'm happy and sad for you.

  • ||

    And then I saw the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in my entire life. Hollyfeld. In his pajamas.

  • SKR||

    This thread makes me very happy.

    And what nerd didn't like the hyperkinetic girl?

  • Loki||

    Would you be prepared if gravity suddenly reversed itself?

  • Night Elf Mohawk||

    Not right now.

    Oh, hell, wrong scene.

  • Cornbread Mafioso||

    Jordan was so enticing.

  • ||

    Damn you Epi! Now all I want is popcorn.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Everybody wants to rule the world.

  • ||

    You're laborers! You're supposed to be laboring!

  • Pro Libertate||

    That's what they should do. A Jerry Hathaway story. They'd muck up a total reunion, but maybe just something focusing on him. After all, it was strongly implied that he had certain hammering skills--sure the women would like to learn more.

  • ||

    I no longer have any use for you, ProL!

  • Cytotoxic||

    That movie sucked.

  • CE||

    Did it turn any rocks or bricks into molten lava?

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    One trillion watts is more than anybody needs. This is just felony level waste.

  • ||

    Is anybody serious about fighting the deficit?

    No.

  • John||

    Of course not. Interests rates are low and will remain so right up until they stop being so. And by that time it will be someone else's problem.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Fighting the deficit now is like Marty McFly vs a sumo wrestler.

  • Mint Berry Crunch||

    "This guy is heavy!"

  • Pro Libertate||

    This is incorrect. I am serious about fighting the deficit and have an open invitation to every government in this country to solve their budgetary woes. Send me your budgets, some napalm, and a napalm-delivery system, and our troubles here will be over very quickly.

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    What part of for the greater good are you not getting, neanderthal?

  • $park¥||

    More nominees for parents of the year.

    A Georgia girl told investigators she spent days at a time locked inside a small outhouse and a chicken coop, and had to wear a shock collar because she didn't do her school work, authorities said Thursday.

  • John||

    She had two older siblings who had understandably moved away. Who lets that happen to their sister? Why didn't they turn them in or better yet just shot them and buried them under the chicken coup.

  • creech||

    Didn't want to get involved. Just like Spanier, Paterno, et al. Why is it so easy for many people to turn a blind eye to immoral, outrageous and criminal conduct when they are personally innocent of wrongdoing and will probably win high praise for turning in the bastards????

  • John||

    Good question. Maybe they are just as bad as the parents and thought it was okay.

  • Nephilium||

    Just read the Whimper of Whipped Dogs, or read the story of Kitty Genovese.

    Evil exists because there are a few good men, and a lot of apathetic neutral people.

  • Coeus||

  • Loki||

    The investigation began May 25, when child welfare agents, acting on a tip, visited the home with the sheriff's department.

    Maybe it was one of the other siblings who made the tip?

  • John||

    I hope so.

  • Pip||

    I've worked a lot with kids. 15 is a great age. Slow death would be too good for this couple.

  • ||

    In the old days someone using "Roman Polanski" would have had fun with "15 is a great age", but if he's been registered on here I haven't seen him yet.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Did the name 'Mary Stack' come up at all in that story?

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    That is what home schooling does to society.

  • Ken Shultz||

    President Barack Obama declared that Mitt Romney is “not serious” about fighting the deficit if Romney is not willing to let a tax cut for income greater than $250,000 a year lapse.

    Sometimes it seems like Republicans and libertarians are the only people who give a rip about what Barack Obama says.

    He's obviously not worried about anyone on the left taking what he says seriously--otherwise he wouldn't be trying to portray--himself as someone who wants to balance the budget?

    LOL

    You know what might make people think you're not serious about balancing the budget, President Obama? How 'bout four years of Barack Obama doing everything he can to bust the budget?

    How 'bout ObamaCare! I remember when people on the left were touting ObamaCare as a plan to balance the budget--the left doesn't even take themselves seriously!

    Why would anybody take anything Obama says seriously?

    That's one of the reasons it's so hard to make things stick on Obama--he's spoofs himself to country so often and with such feeling. How do you spoof somebody that spoofs himself every single day?

  • ||

    Ken, left wing folks don't care about balancing the budget in my experience. However, they are interested in having rich people pay more taxes, because fuck rich people.

  • wareagle||

    How do you spoof somebody that spoofs himself every single day?

    so you think the support reflected in the polls is the entertainment value he brings? That must be it - a broad swath of the public believes the more gridlock there is, the more difficult it is for govt to do harm. If Romney wins, he might have some Congressional help in doing something. But things as they are ensures more kabuki, more Biden, and of course, more Obie-isms.

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    If Romney wins we know our country is irreparably racist.

  • Night Elf Mohawk||

    He's obviously not worried about anyone on the left taking what he says seriously--otherwise he wouldn't be trying to portray--himself as someone who wants to balance the budget?

    This on the heels of point outing how open he has been. How can people who hear him speak not laugh in his face?

  • Ken Shultz||

    They don't care!

    Progressives don't care if he makes sense. They expect him not to make sense!

    They don't care if they make sense either--once the cameras are on. They assume everyone who watches is stupid, and they know everything he's saying is pure BS.

    In their minds, that's the way it's supposed to be. That's why they listen to us try to reason with them and laugh.

    It's like trying to reason with Tony. What they believe has nothing to do with facts or logic--certainly not when they're on camera.

    Obama's dissing Romney for not being serious about tackling the deficit--there you have it! It's so completely twisted, it bends back on itself. People don't even see it comin' anymore.

    Obama should have been a used car salesman.

  • Dr. Frankenstein||

    Former Reason commentators Jennifer and Jeff were married after 11 years of being happily unmarried.

    http://feralgenius.blogspot.com/

  • John||

    Good for Jennifer. I always liked her. I never agreed with her about much. But she was always a fun foil. That was back when he had real dissenters instead of griefers.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Hey, that's great. About danged time!

  • SugarFree||

    Jeff is probably pregnant.

  • John||

    It would be just like her to knock the poor guy up. Oh well, at least she is making an honest woman out of him.

  • Dr. Frankenstein||

    Actually it was to get health insurance for her through Jeff's job. At least that's the story. You're right Jeff is probalby pregnant.

  • Pro Libertate||

    He won the koon-ut-kal-if-fee challenge.

  • SugarFree||

    Technically, Jennifer is really just the smizmar.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    "Ladies and gentlemen and smizmars"

  • Banjos||

    Pfft, who cares? Now, sit back and read a banal story I will post about sloopy and I.

  • Dr. Frankenstein||

    Sorry you're old news now. Let us know when you get that chubby, bald, crying thing out of you or when you have your baby.

  • Banjos||

    Both scenarios involve gratuitous amounts of drugs and my vagina getting wrecked.

  • Pip||

    I read that as "gratuitous amounts of drugs IN my vagina" and wondered what drugs would be dosed that way. Stupid sucks.

  • SugarFree||

    Mock jealousy is bad for the fetus.

    Boy or girl, I think it should be named "Steve." I knew you guys were on pins and needles wondering what I would suggest.

  • Banjos||

    We were leaning towards "Warty" if it is a boy and "Episiarch" if it is a girl. But Steve sounds good too.

  • ||

    If it's a boy, name him Charles Martel. All boys should be named Charles Martel. If it's a girl, I dunno. You could always opt for exposure.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I concur entirely with Warty's boy recommendation. An acceptable alternative is Clovis. Or maybe Kodos the Executioner.

    What can I say? The Franks knew naming.

  • ||

    Hey, I want it named after me if it's a hermaphrodite, not a girl!

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    Hermaphrodite Nazis are exceedingly rare.

  • R C Dean||

    Good for them. I always liked Jennifer.

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    Great, I have walked into a fascist breeding room.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Ye gods, the Stupefy Movement isn't planning to visit Tampa for the convention, right? Please, God, no. We have enough indigenous idiocy without importing any.

  • John||

    Don't you guys have some kind of mutant alligator or python that will take care of them? Or maybe a good hurricane?

  • Pro Libertate||

    Well, August is hurricane season. We don't really have wild pythons up here. Alligators, yes. Perhaps they could be released near the convention.

  • T||

    Or driven towards it. How hard can it be to herd alligators?

  • Pro Libertate||

    Oh, it's not that hard. I own about fifty head of 'gator on my ranch. Most times, my gatordog keeps 'em in line. Most times.

  • wareagle||

    oh good - a swarm of Occutards in central FL. In August. That oughta smell nice.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    I Google's "gatordog" just for essengee's. These are my two favorites.

    A gatordog.

    And a dog in a gator costume.

  • Pro Libertate||

    More the latter. See, a gatordog is like a sheepdog, but for gators.

  • carol||

    Pythons have been spotted as far north as Manatee County-just a short slither from Tampa. In my little piece of southern Hillsborough County there are gators galore and I would gladly lend some to my Tampa neighbors. Capture and delivery not included.

  • Pro Libertate||

    It gets cool enough up here to kill off the python menace. Not the alligators, though. There's a mess of them varmints just a few hundred yards from where I'm typing.

  • rts||

    No refunds for unconstitutional impaired driving fines

    Government passes drunk driving laws fining people thousands of dollars, and the laws are later found to be unconstitutional. But, according to the judge, since the government's intentions were all good, they can keep the money.

  • Tonio||

    In canuckistan, apparently. Not that governments in the US are eager to return ill-gotten gains (see California Community Development).

  • ||

    Obama to CBS: My biggest mistake has been failing to be hopey and changey enough to Americans. Yes, he really thinks the problem with his presidency is not his policies, but his image.

  • Pro Libertate||

    He's really quite an idiot.

  • John||

    It is worse than that. He claims with a straight face that he just worked too hard on getting the policies right. Just what policy did he ever get right?

  • R C Dean||

    Fuck, what policies did he ever work on? He outsources everything to Pelosi and Reid.

  • Paul.||

    It is worse than that. He claims with a straight face that he just worked too hard on getting the policies right. Just what policy did he ever get right?

    Ooh jesus. Not that excuse. Somewhere here I've got a rule about politicians and upper management who, after being caught doing something unethical say something to the effect of, "My mistake was that I was too passionate about my job and doing the work of my[constituents/company], which led me to some questionable choices"

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    All of them. It is just the Bushpig noise machine that keeps his good from being reported.

  • Loki||

    Clearly he's been reading LJakoff's Little Blue Book a bit too much.

  • ||

    I credit Lakoff with tremendous insight into the human mind and how it works....but his politics are vile. Were I to meet him I would shake his hand for writing 'metaphors we live by' and 'philosophy in the flesh'. Then I would knock his fucking nose flat and kick him in the balls for his politics.

  • Paul.||

    Yet Democrats have too often failed to use language linking their moral values with their policies. The Little Blue Book demonstrates how to make that connection clearly and forcefully, with hands-on advice for discussing the most pressing issues of our time: the economy, health care, women’s issues, energy and environmental policy, education, food policy, and more.

    Oh now I remember this guy. He's one of those, "it's not our policies, it's our marketing."

  • The Hammer||

    I'm not sure which is more arrogant and self-absorbed: This answer or the previous "I can't think of any mistakes I've made" one?

  • Whahappan?||

    Bush pulled that shit too. I forget the particulars, and I'm too lazy to search for the incident, but his only mistake he could think of was something along the lines of taking bad advise.

  • Rainbow Puppy||

    The difference is Bushpig lied.

  • R C Dean||

    "I've made plenty of mistakes. Answering this question would be another, so I'll pass.

  • Tulpa the White||

    It's a stupid question to ask. Of course he's not going to admit to an actual mistake; in the sound-bite era that's suicide for a politician.

    At least Bush's response was a simple dodge. BO's is just spin.

  • rts||

    Interprovincial internet wine sales legalized by B.C.

    A holdover law from the prohibition era. So, only 80 years to overturn retarded laws. *sigh*

  • Paul.||

    The universe is expanding. The next law will take 160 years.

  • Tonio||

    I wonder if the Occupy/Chalk thing had anything to do with the a-hole cop in Richmond VA who recently arrested a little girl for drawing in chalk on a rock on a public river beach. The po-po shares "intel" all the time, except it's often the low-quality and hysterical (not funny hysterical, but crazy hysterical).

  • Mike M.||

    Also, the freaking F.B.I. got involved in the Martin case and is investigating Zimmerman? Seriously? All because of a stupid little punk who happened to be black and Al Sharpton's big mouth? This government has gone absolutely stark raving loony.

  • John||

    Eric Holder. That is how.

  • Mike M.||

    I'm sure you're right. But seriously, this is incredible. Literally dozens of kids and young adults have been killed in the streets of Chicago in the last several weeks, almost all of them black, and nobody gives a crap, least of all Obama, Holder, and Sharpton. George Zimmerman on the other hand has to become a federally investigated case because he's white. It's just absolutely disgusting in every regard.

  • John||

    It is terrible.

  • Anacreon||

    Our local paper reported the Zimmerman story with the headline: "FBI says Zimmerman 'decent guy' but has a 'hero complex'.

    The whole story was about how Zimmerman was well liked in the community, easily went between different racial and ethnic groups, spoke Spanish and English equally well. The last quote was from a local cop, outside of the investigation, who said he didn't think Z was racist, perhaps he had a 'little bit of a hero complex' that led him to confront Trayvon.

    See if you can then come up with the same story headline. Nope, never any bias in the media.

  • ||

    Literally dozens of kids and young adults have been killed in the streets of Chicago in the last several weeks, almost all of them black, and nobody gives a crap, least of all Obama, Holder, and Sharpton.

    Well the killers were most likely black themselves. Although there's plenty of Hispanic-on-black crime and vice versa here in Southern California, and that never seems to warrant any civil rights investigations.

  • John||

    And of course there is all of the black on white crime that doesn't even warrant reporting much less investigation.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    It is simple...they knew the racism charge was crap, and now they feel safe announcing it since the state authorities are doing yeoman's work prosecuting and locking Z up. No need for the feds to get involved.

  • ||

    what's crystal clear to me is that if the exact same fact pattern was present, but zimmerman was a cop and he had shot martin, very few if any of the zimmerman defenders here would be defending him. they would be confident he had animus, he was a paranoid racist, and that he should go to prison.

    zimmerman gets far more benefit of the doubt from the bigots because he was not a cop

    i just simply look at the case facts. zimmerman's case, like many cop shootings that are criticized here has a preponderance of evidence justifying the shooting

  • John||

    First, cops because they are supposed to be trained professionals whose job it is to protect the public are always going to be and should be held to a higher standard. Since cops are trained and have other means of force besides their gun, I am going to expect them to take actions that I would never expect of a non cop. And because of this, they are going to get less benefit of the doubt. Sorry, if you want the authority to shoot people you better be willing to accept the responsibility of being held to a higher standard.

    Second, show me a case on Reason where the facts are anything near like this? The cases that get discussed on reason involve cases like the BART Cop or other cops just shooting people.

  • ||

    oh rubbish. the case of the guy who swung the bag containing the beer bottles at the cop who was subsequently shot

    that's very analogous to this case, although more clearly justified.

    and regardless of what you WANT the law to be, the law is not what you claim it is.

    generally speaking, the standard for cops to use deadly force is the same, it is not "higher" because they are "trained professionals"

    it's THE SAME. IN GENERAL.

    if a cop uses deadly force, in a situation like zimmerman used it, the exact same metric is applied

    did he reasonably perceive that he faced imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury

    i realize that you, like most bigots, want cops held to a higher standard for deadly force.

    but that's not what the law says, and that's a good thing

  • ||

    and if zimmerman was a cop, people here would be screaming that the racist cop shot an unarmed black teenager with no criminal record, and no evidence he was using deadly force against zimmerman and bla bla bla

    the fact that you can't see that, despite the metric assload of absurdly double standard using posters here is amazing, but typical.

    i support the right of self defense, cop OR citizen. many people here want cops held to a higher standard, as you do.

    cops frequently ACT at a higher standard, but the LEGAL requirement should not be thus. i'm doing what i need to do to go home alive and uninjured at night. and i know that i will be judged fairly, not under some ridiculous standard that an anti-cop bigot such as you wants to judge me on

  • John||

    Dunphy lots of people on here, RC and Fluffy most particularly, claimed just that about Zimmerman.

    Second, I don't care what the law is. I am talking about the moral standard. And I am sorry, the cops should not have a right to summarily execute anyone who attacks them.

    Your job is to get hurt and injured so other people don't have to. That is what makes being a cop a noble profession. If you don't like that and think you should be able to shoot people to just avoid injury, then stop claiming any kind of nobility and admit you are just an armed ape.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Sorry John, that's ridiculous. The police are paid to take on risks, not to get hurt with no ability to mitigate. Too many people here seem intent on justifying the cries of 'bigorati'.

  • Coeus||

    cops frequently ACT at a higher standard, but the LEGAL requirement should not be thus.

    Privileges come with responsibilities, fuckwad. Or at least they should.

  • Chris Mallory||

    Simple, cops should have less rights to self defense than honest, productive citizens. If you want the power and the money you should damn well have to give something up.

  • Tulpa the White||

    Sorry, if you want the authority to shoot people you better be willing to accept the responsibility of being held to a higher standard.

    CCW holders have the same authority to shoot people that cops do. In self defense or the defense of innocents. And cops don't have the option to retreat.

  • wareagle||

    1) most anti-cop animus here is earned by cops.
    2) if Zimmerman had been a cop, the confrontation probably would not have turned violent, unless someone thinks Trayvon would have knowingly attacked a cop.

  • ||

    rubbish. outside the rarefied climate here, cops are overwhelmingly supported and respected.

    again, there is a huge double standard here. the case where the cop shot the guy who swung the bag containing beer bottles at the cops head was EASILY more justifiable than the zimmerman case. but people here were apoplectic about it.

    and there is zero doubt if the exact same fact pattern presented EXCEPT zimmerman was a cop, the bigots would be confident zimmerman was both racist and unjustified and people here would be writing hagiographies about poor trayvon martin brutalized and killed by the racist trigger happy cop, for merely "walking while black"

  • John||

    Since when is a bag of bottles a deadly weapon? And in many states there is a duty to retreat. IN those states a civilian would be guilty of murder under those circumstances Dunphy.

    And what about the BART cop who murdered a guy and barely got three years because he claimed he meant to taser him? What about the cops in Atlanta who shot an old woman and let her bleed to death on the floor

    I can tell you right now Dunphy cops have earned the disdain they get. I am a law and order guy. I was a prosecutor and gladly sent people to jail for decades. And I fucking hate cops. They are nothing but abusive bullies who are completely out of control in many places.

  • wareagle||

    I have known a lot of cops, some from a previous profession and others just from having lived in the same place for a while. By and large, good folks. But the badge is tarnished by the type stories we see here, usually involving unarmed and hardly dangerous subjects. I get that you're a cop and you take the attacks personally. I used to be a news reporter but my sympathy for journalism gets tempered by the profession's lack of self-respect.

    Are all cops bad? No, though others here will certainly disagree. But enough of them are and, what's worse, the profession tolerates them instead of tossing their asses into the street or, when warranted, into jail.

    Again, had Zimmerman been a cop, his initial encounter with Martin would have gone much differently. While a punk who was likely to end up dead and/or in jail at some point, I doubt Trayvon would have jumped someone he knew to be a cop. Plus, there are the marks on Z's head.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Are all cops bad? No, though others here will certainly disagree. But enough of them are and, what's worse, the profession tolerates them instead of tossing their asses into the street or, when warranted, into jail.

    The problem, as everywhere, is fucking unions that impose ridiculous work "conditions", defend the most reprehenisble behavior and create a general culture of contempt for the employers, who in the case of cops are the general public.

    Cops today have the same social standing as steel and auto workers in the 70s, ie over paid, over pampered assholes that deserve to be taken down several notches, despite the fact that a large number of them may be honest hard workers.

  • Coeus||

    And someone just said today that you argued honestly. I hope they're still around. This bottles bullshit has been pointed out to you several times, yet you still insist on saying bottles instead of cans.

    And that guy with the cans was hit first, you dishonest fuckstick.

  • Tulpa the White||

    This bottles bullshit has been pointed out to you several times, yet you still insist on saying bottles instead of cans.

    Very unclear on how that matters. Whatever the containers were they were full of liquid and heavy, which is, you know, what causes most of the damage when you get smacked in the head.

  • Coeus||

    Very unclear on how that matters.

    It matters because it sounds more dangerous. One of those rhetorical tricks he's always accusing others of using.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Very unclear on how that matters.

    My recollection is that the guy was blindsided from behind and swung as he turned around.

    And the survelliance video that could have supported the pigs claim, or conclusively refuted it, mysteriously disappeared shortly after being seized by the pigs.

  • Tulpa the White||

    Making up facts again? The video was released but was basically useless because the incident occurred far from the camera and almost out of frame.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Cite.

  • Coeus||

    cops are overwhelmingly supported and respected.

    Citation needed.

  • BigT||

    dunphy - do you think a cop would get himself into a situation like Zimmerman did? Cops have clubs, tasers, radios, and backup. It seems to me that a good cop could not be in the same situation. I think that's why people expect a higher standard. Your training and support system gives you more options and preparedness.

  • Night Elf Mohawk||

    again, there is a huge double standard here. the case where the cop shot the guy who swung the bag containing beer bottles at the cops head was EASILY more justifiable than the zimmerman case. but people here were apoplectic about it.

    Oh, bullshit. It's not more justifiable because A. the cop wasn't alone, B. he wasn't getting his head pounded on the concrete, C. he had other weapons available.

  • Coeus||

    First off, you're full of shit. The visible wounds and eyewitnesses are what give hem the benifit of the doubt. If you recall, when it happened, before those details were revealed, most of us (including myself) were ready to declare him guilty.

    Second, if you weren't full of shit (though you are), it'd be because he didn't choose a career where he was required to lock people in a cage for buying or selling goods or services that weren't "approved" by our rulers.

  • Pip||

    Hey Dunphy, fucking die already.

  • Coeus||

    Hey Dunphy, fucking die already.

    I'm starting to think you might have the right idea. It's really tiring to go around correcting all of his constant lies. Then when you completely show him for the lying shit stain he is, he just stops for a week, then comes back with the same damn arguments that have been proven wrong and demands for citations he's been shown a hundred times before.

    "overwhelming support for police" - it's like 60/40 at best

    "hit him with bottles" - there are no bottles made in that size.

    "drug dogs are accurate and not a rubber stamp" - no matter how much info you show him, he keeps up with that shit.

    "cops don't shoot a lot of dogs" - hit him with dozens of citations on that one.

    "tasers are no more dangerous than other methods" - hit him with a multi-city study on that one, and he still refuses to concede.

    It's probably easier just to tell him to fucking die already.

  • ||

    what's crystal clear to me is that if the exact same fact pattern was present, but zimmerman was a cop and he had shot martin, very few if any of the zimmerman defenders here would be defending him.

    I don't agree with you on much Dunphy, but I will probably give you this point. I would like to say that everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt and a fair trial before they are found guilty in the court of public opinion.

    That being said, I think cops should be scrutinized more because of the badge they wear. They are enforcers of the law, so they should not be allowed to flaunt it. There were not too many people trying to bash the cop who shot the transient on the BART platform because the guy threw a knife at him. Shooting a dog or a grandfather, or speeding through a 25 mph residential area and killing 3 women--and then getting off with no criminal charges!--is anathema to equal protection under the law.

  • Coeus||

    I don't agree with you on much Dunphy, but I will probably give you this point.

    Really? You don't remember the almost unanimous "string him up" sentiment around here before we realized we were lied to about the details? And do you really think that if eye witnesses saw someone beating a cop on the ground, and that person had no damage to him whatsoever, that we wouldn't think it was self defense if the cop shot him?

  • Tulpa the White||

    You don't remember the almost unanimous "string him up" sentiment around here before we realized we were lied to about the details?

    No, I don't. Opinion was about evenly divided at that point. Nothing remotely close to the cop abuse story threads.

  • Coeus||

    My googlefu doesn't seem to be up to the task. Got a link to one before the lies were revealed?

  • LauraB||

    Well, Rahm Emmanuel told the gang bangers to be more careful, so I'm sure everything's going to be fine now.

  • CE||

    Shouldn't Holder be in prison awaiting trial?

  • Loki||

    In a just world, yes. But this isn't a just world.

  • The Hammer||

    Isn't the FBI under Treasury, not Justice?

  • Loki||

    Nope, justice dept. You may be thinking of the Secret Service which is under Treasury. They were oringinally created mainly to combat counterfeiting.

  • Generic Stranger||

    ATF was under treasury as well, since their job is mainly tax enforcement, but they've been moved under the DHS umbrella.

  • ||

    "The state attorney’s office says Zimmerman wrongly assumed Trayvon was a criminal, and says he did not suffer injuries serious enough to require deadly force to defend himself."

    Uh.....if you have to suffer serious injuries to justify using deadly force to defend yourself, I think the state attorney's office is going to have to look into many, many shootings where cops.....oh shit, nevermind.

  • LauraB||

    If you wait until you have injuries serious enough to to require deadly force, you may no longer be able to defend yourself. He was getting his head slammed into concrete. Should he have waited until he was unconscious? The prosecutor over-charged for political reasons and is trying to cover her very exposed ass.

  • ||

    the standard for both cops and "civilians" is that you reasonably perceive that you face imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death.

    there are other factors that can justify a shooting,but that's the most common one(for example, a prison guard can, in most cases, shoot a convict trying to escape).

    there are other examples, too.i had a case once where a guy who had already had a warrant out for murder had also threatened to kill a witness in my area.we found him driving down the street and got in a pursuit. he jumped from the car and ran.

    could i have shot him in the back? yes. based on the totality of the circs, he was a fleeing violent felon AND i had reason to believe that if not apprehended he posed a danger to society (and specifically the witness) , and specifically of death

    regardless, we didn't shoot him. we tackled him.

    but laurab is correct, neither cop nor "civilian' need wait UNTIL they are seriously injured (for the legal definition of "serious injury) to use deadly force.

    if they REASONABLY perceive it's imminent, that the perp is attempting to use such force against them, then they can shoot

    period. full stop

    zimmerman did everything that innocent (or people who think they are innocent) do. he cooperated with police, he provided a statement, and his prosecution is PURELY political, like some prosecutions of cops i might add.

    he should prevail and i hope he wins a suit for malicious prosecution, although i think that unlikely(the latter)

  • Chris Mallory||

    I am not a "civilian" I am a CITIZEN. I rank higher than any cop.

  • Whahappan?||

    Ha! So you think. You are untermensch in the eyes of the law.

  • R C Dean||

    Yeah, anyone who refers to non-cops as civilians perpetuates the occupying army at odds with the populace approach, and rejects the protect and serve philosophy, of policing.

    We get it, d. You think cops are armed enforcers of order and authority, rather than protectors of life and property.

  • ||

    Well put, RC.

  • Tulpa the White||

    Picking on one word while ignoring the argument.

    Welcome to the axis of glib, RC.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    There was also only one word of difference between two groups of young men running around France 65-70 years ago.

  • ||

    Fuck you Tulpa. That one word belies an entire mindset that disqualifies any argument you want to make. Your cop fellating is growing tiresome (and I'm not one of those people that completely hates cops).

  • LTC(ret) John||

    "civilian"? Son, I don't think that is the right term...speaking purely from an armed forces perspective. Even then, I was a "citizen-soldier".

  • VG Zaytsev||

    there are other factors that can justify a shooting

    The most important one being the possession of a gold plated badge.

  • CE||

    If you have to wait until you suffer injuries serious enough to require deadly force to defend yourself, it's too late.

  • ||

    Also today should really be an international holiday, it's the birthday of both Harrison Ford and Patrick Stewart.

    Their respective best moments as Picard and Indy.

  • John||

    Hard to believe Ford is 70.

  • Caleb Turberville||

    I'd include the original Blade Runner narration for Ford's career, which for some reason was excised in the newer editions.

  • Trespassers W||

    OK, now that's just trolling.

  • Caleb Turberville||

    Okay, but we're all in agreement on this one point: Deckard was human?

  • SugarFree||

    Scott has always said that Deckard was supposed to be a replicant. Deckard is not a replicant in the novel. If he was it would undercut most of the themes and a few plot points of the novel.

  • ||

    Ford said human. But they lie.

  • ||

    ridley scott did not want the narration originally. he thought it was distracting and the movie didn't need it. the studio made him include it because they thought the movie would be too confusing for viewers w/o it.

    since i saw it originally with the narration, it's impossible for me to say how i would have reacted to seeing it ORIGINALLY w/o the narration, but i own the version w/o the narration and imo it's a better version, having seen both

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    You are correct Dunphy. But don't let it go to your head. ;-)

  • Pro Libertate||

    I agree--I prefer the narration. Yes, I know. I still like it, anyway.

  • Paul.||

    You and I both.

    The narration made it more Noir-ish. I've lobbied for years that the Narration version was superior. I also believe that some of the conspiracy theories of Harrison's performance of the narration are unfounded-- made up by aspiring film-school hipsters to drive their agenda.

  • Cytotoxic||

    I've only seen the director's cut-no narration. I loved it.

  • ||

    Ford hated the narration himself, it was turgid and lifeless like he was being forced to read from the dictionary. There's world-weary and then there's bored, that guy was just bored when telling the audience the story which consequently drains the energy right out of the movie.

  • ||

    I was at a private screening of Gladiator with Ridley Scott and Russell Crowe. After the screening, we were doing a Q and A with them, and we were told "only questions about Gladiator". The first hand that went up was a fanboi who immediately asked some stupid question about Blade Runner. Ridley, who had had several gin and tonics by this point, sneers and goes "I don't see why everyone makes such a big deal about that movie". It totally crushed fanboi, and we proceeded on. Hilarious.

  • John||

    That is a great story. I like Blade Runner. But its fan boys kind of ruin it. It is not that fucking deep and in many ways was kind of an interesting failure of a movie. I wish they would give it break.

  • ||

    Ridley was quite loaded. So was Crowe. So it was fun. This was at HBO studios in New York.

    But yeah, people need to chill on Blade Runner. It's a very interesting movie, but I understand Ridley's frustration as he's done plenty of other really good movies. I'm a big fan of the under-appreciated White Squall myself.

  • The Hammer||

    Is Blade Runner worth watching?

  • ||

    Sure, just make sure you watch the director's cut.

  • Paul.||

    Sure, just make sure you watch the director's cut. watch the original first, then watch the director's cut.

  • Cytotoxic||

    No, watch the director's cut Epi's right. Narration would ruin it!

  • SIV||

    The ending to the original release is far worse than the voiceover narration.
    Watch the director's cut.

  • SugarFree||

    The wild and ongoing love of Blade Runner is a testament to the lack of good science fiction movies overall. The only major literary genre Hollywood and TV shits on more is Fantasy, and after the Lord of The Rings and Game of Thrones they aren't doing so bad.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Blade Runner is film noir that is set in the future. I don't really consider it as much science fiction. To me it is Harrison Ford, playing Philip Marlowe, in future Los Angeles.

  • SugarFree||

    The idea that science fiction is just rayguns, robots, and nonsense physics is why we have so few great movies.

  • ||

    Hollywood thought fantasy was Krull before Peter Jackson showed them differently. The same needs to happen with science fiction. Spielberg tried and completely failed with A.I..

  • ||

    It's a shame Kubrick died realtively early, after the clusterfuck that was Eyes Wide Shut I think he could have made one more masterpiece with A.I.

  • Pro Libertate||

    It's a fine film, and Scott has been on the Coppola train for a while now, so I bet he doesn't want to hear about his earlier, better movies.

    Gladiator, incidentally, is quite seriously overrated. Though it has some nice bits, like Oliver Reed.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Saw Gladiator at the theater, and renamed it Glad it's over. I just caught it on HBO earlier on Monday, and actually liked it. And I agree, Oliver Reed was great casting. The whole film was cast well. Overall, I'm a fan of his work. His brother's work as well. They are good directors who make entertaining films. Really, isn't that all we want from going to the movies?

  • ||

    Agreed that Gladiator is overrated--still a good film and fun to watch, but Crowe just sulks and scowls throughout the entire movie and Joaquin Phoneix is not very convincing in attempting to portray Commodous as a psychopath.

    It's only saved by Oliver Reed's performance and some great battle scenes.

  • ||

    Ridley had some entertaining stories about the shit they had to do to get set up for the battle scene at the beginning. I wish I could remember the details.

  • ||

    Yeah but for every Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones there are about two dozen Twilights (in the fantasy genre). And for every Firefly... who am I kidding? You were right: they don't even try with sci-fi.

  • Cytotoxic||

    For every Firefly there's a...Firefly.

  • SIV||

    The original ending (of the first run film) just about ruined the whole fucking movie. I was 19 and with a date and she kinda freaked out when I stood up and started cursing the movie screen.It was some time later before I learned Scott didn't intend to totally ruin what was otherwise a masterpiece.

  • SugarFree||

    You mean the shot the studio recycled from The Shining outtakes?

  • SIV||

    Yeah. It looks like it is full of real owls.That and the voiceover suggesting Rachel was somehow immune to the fate of all replicants and humans.

  • Coeus||

    Ok, that was gayer than 4 guys blowing 5.

  • ||

    I think that scene was the only time in Star Trek where we know Picard got some--and there's a better than 50% it was Q in disguise.

  • Coeus||

    He banged that relic thief, didn't he?.

  • nicole||

    Didn't he also get with the woman from the planet whose atmosphere is the fountain of youth? In Insurrection, that is, of course.

  • Coeus||

    I don't think they ever banged, just "shared a moment".

  • ||

    I like to pretend that movie never existed. It wasn't even nearly as good as the similar TOS episode "This Side of Paradise", where Spock gets high on spores and smacks Kirk around.

  • Coeus||

    Ever seen this?

    Red letter media review of Star Trek Insurrection. Fucking hilarious.

  • nicole||

    Haha the earth tones thing is killing me. Of course, complaining that Star Trek doesn't make sense plotwise is...well. It's not hard to do.

    It's at least a little bit fun that everyone gets all frisky from being on the young-making planet. And I do like the early scene with Picard stopping Data going nuts in the shuttles.

  • Coeus||

    You should see how he tears into "First Contact". It's even better, and I liked that one.

  • Coeus||

    It wasn't even nearly as good as the similar TOS episode

    Shit, there was even a similar TNG episode. And in that one, Picard took a completely different stance. On the plus side, it's the same one where they got rid of Wesley.

  • db||

    I think Picard's best moment was when he Tommy-gunned the Borg to hell. It was sadly diminished when he allowed Guinan to convince him it was wrong to do so.

  • John||

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....ml?hpid=z2

    This is disturbing. Apparently there is a rash of gropers running around DC. Two words, cattle prod. Women need to arm themselves.

  • ||

    Why would anyone live in DC? What a shithole.

  • John||

    I ask myself that every day. Of course what the ever PC Post never mentions is that it is nearly always Latino and black men who do this to white women.

  • ||

    I noticed that the perp's race was somehow absent from the description of him.

  • wareagle||

    leaving out race always helps narrow the field, doesn't it? My experience tends to be that if the race is omitted, go with the most prevalent minority. I guess that's profiling.

  • Killazontherun||

    Asked what I was doing in DC on New Years eve by a reasonably attractive lady when I lived there briefly in the early 90's. Don't recall the answer I gave, but the one in my head was, 'reasonably attractive women here stuck on New Years Eve with far fewer selective choices for hook ups than almost anywhere else out the boondocks.'

  • Killazontherun||

    My best friend in the city at the time worked at the Polish embassy, and I got an invite to their party through him. Polish women, highly under rated.

  • ||

    Not by me.

  • Killazontherun||

    Damn.

  • wareagle||

    is it just me or is she unbalanced?

  • ||

    Her name is Iga Wyrwal. Do your own inspection.

  • wareagle||

    so, not always blonde. Not that this matters.

  • Killazontherun||

    is it just me or is she unbalanced?

    The left puppy is just not properly flopped out like the right one.

  • ||

    And not by the porn world.

  • SIV||

    Well there are those kids who shot Julian Sanchez but almost everyone else in DC sucks.

  • SIV||

    No that's not right. They didn't shoot him, they just kicked his ass so fuck them too.

  • RBS||

    Still with all the hate for Sanchez? Give it a rest dude.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Why would anyone live in DC? What a shithole.

    Where else can you hang with cool dudes like Ezra while swilling fabulous Pinot and eves drop on J Roberts
    / randian.

  • R C Dean||

    Apparently there is a rash of gropers running around DC.

    Well, Congress is in session. Duh.

  • Loki||

    Thread Winner.

  • Paul.||

    This is disturbing. Apparently there is a rash of gropers running around DC. Two words, cattle prod. Women need to arm themselves.

    DC is a city for families, not gun toters. Shame on you, John.

  • wareagle||

    the Obama Administration is encouraging states to seek out waivers to loosen the rules of a federal grant welfare-to-work program approved under President Bill Clinton.

    it's like the administration wants people to stay on dependency programs or something.

  • BigT||

    Do we really want this?

    Within the next year or two, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security will instantly know everything about your body, clothes, and luggage with a new laser-based molecular scanner fired from 164 feet (50 meters) away. From traces of drugs or gun powder on your clothes to what you had for breakfast to the adrenaline level in your body—agents will be able to get any information they want without even touching you.

    And without you knowing it.

    http://gizmodo.com/5923980/the.....-about-you

  • Archduke PantsFan||

    Not sure if repost but still good
    Jaime Lannister Vs Eddard Stark Lightsaber Battle

  • Pro Libertate||

    I liked the video of Tyrion slapping Joffrey for ten minutes.

    Here's a shorter version.

    What an amazingly well-cast miniseries! Heck, I want to slap the actor that plays Joffrey myself.

  • SugarFree||

    Yes, but it is so well cast that when they make a mis-step it is distracting. Loras and Margarey, for example. And Asha (whatever it was they re-named her.)

    I didn't think much of Lena Headley at first, but she has grown on me. Mostly.

  • ||

    It's Lena Headey, not Headley, you clod. And I already knew she was going to be good because of her role as Sarah Connor in The Sarah Connor Chronicles (thanks again for canceling a show I really like, Fox!). But she's much better looking with dark hair (her natural color).

  • SugarFree||

    Sorry, I didn't know you were her mom.

  • ||

    I don't let her go out without her coat on. It makes me feel like I'm still part of her life.

  • Anacreon||

    That's Headley Lamarr.

  • Paul.||

    She's no Emilia Clarke, but she aight.

  • ||

    She's 39, dude. She looks fucking great.

  • ||

    There's an even better Tumblr post that shows Cersei slapping Joffrey repeatedly with the caption "#TalkShitGetHit" flashing on the screen.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    A reminder - a told the wingnuttery here that Fast/Furious would be forgotten in two weeks.

    Chalk up another for the rationalists (me and two or three others here).

  • ||

    Yep, a man who thinks the "christian taliban" is out to personally get him is totally a rationalist.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    They are determined to limit my freedom - blue laws, anti-porn, anti-contraception, anti-naked women dancing on by table at happy hour.

    Fuck those freedom haters.

  • Paul.||

    They are determined to limit my freedom - blue laws, anti-porn, anti-contraception, anti-naked women dancing on by table at happy hour.

    How is making sure you procreate limiting your freedom? Wouldn't that be expanding our annoyance?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    If you're so concerned about freedom, don't vote Obama OR Romney, shrike.

  • Tejicano||

    Fuck those freedom haters..

    I agree, which is to say go fuck yourself.

  • Randian||

    Somebody's desperate for attention on a Friday night.

  • SugarFree||

    If Fast and Furious was a Bush scandal he'd scream about it on here every damn day. Fuck shrike. Just another partisan cunt. The trolls are fucking cancer they refuse to cut out of this place for some baffling reason.

  • Killazontherun||

    You know their mindset. If they banned the trolls they would have to ban a few of us too to make it fair.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    What about the goddamn Republican trolls like John, SuthenBoy, Mike M, FIFY, Lord (something) and about 20 others?

  • Lord at War||

    Lord (something)

    Damn. I've probably commented less than 10 times since registration started- and shriek noticed!

    Perhaps you can link to one of my "republican" posts?

    And a FYI for you, peanut.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Fuck you, shrike. Voting for Ron Paul in the primary, does not make one a Republican.

    Using your "logic", you are a Democrat because you will vote for Obama twice in a row.

  • ||

    That's fine, they can start with JW. I hate that guy.

    I, of course, am unbannable.

    (Don't ban me, bro!)

  • Killazontherun||

    Did you see what showed up under my post, Epi? It is so fucking gross. I'm trying to block this experience out.

  • ||

    It's easy, just ignore it. Who else of us should get banned first? I vote for Hugh. And then JJ, of course.

  • Killazontherun||

    Knowing that Hugh disses the Venture Bros that is a pretty easy call.

  • ||

    Been very busy at work lately, but still lurking.

    Just wanted to say, "Fuck you", and The Sarah Conner Chronicles was fucking terrible.

  • ||

    Glad I could suck you out of your lurker coma, JJ, and I'm newly appalled at your horrific lack of taste. What next? You hate seasons 1 through 4 of Always Sunny?

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    California High Speed Rail process is so politicized, the French company that was going to develop it rejected the State's plan.

    SNCF [the developer] had the investment backing to actually build the LA-SF line, in a deal that sheltered the State from the risk of subsidizing an unprofitable project.
  • SIV||

    Ha! Looks like Atheist women don't want to attend the Big Revival

  • nicole||

    In June, Rebecca Watson, a skeptic blogger and speaker, canceled her TAM appearance because, she said on her blog, she does “not feel welcome or safe.”

    I could probably look it up on her blog or something, but I wonder if this is just because of the hotel elevator incident at another incident a while back, or if there are other reasons she has for feeling this way.

    Other nontheists -- both male and female -- have shared stories of unwanted sexual attention at nontheist gatherings, including propositions for sex and unwelcome touching.

    Now I just want to know who's going to these things. Is it people who are really that socially inappropriate? Or are they just easily offended? Some of this is making them sound a bit more on the socially bizarre/inept side...

  • Coeus||

    including propositions for sex and unwelcome touching.

    What they have described there is known as "making a pass".

    Now I just want to know who's going to these things. Is it people who are really that socially inappropriate? Or are they just easily offended?

    The fact that there is no difference in their minds between that and repeated harassment should tell you all you need to know.

  • nicole||

    I guess I would just like to know more about the "unwelcome touching"--it's not like, you know, people don't get actually molested from time to time. One quote that made me feel like shit might be weird:
    “We are a small movement, so it might be very important for some men and women to find a partner who shares their beliefs,” said Maggie Ardiente, director of development for the American Humanist Association, which recently adopted a sexual harassment policy. “That does not mean sexual attention, when it is clearly rejected, is allowed. We need to be clear that these events are a great way to meet people, but there are appropriate ways to conduct yourselves. There are common-sense ways to address this for both men and women.”

    The fact that she begins by talking about how they know people go to these things looking to meet a romantic partner, and then feels the need to specify, "But guys, no raping"...I mean, again, when she says "sexual attention" she might mean "making a pass at someone very sensitive," but something about this reads weird to me. "appropriate ways to conduct themselves", "common-sense ways to address this"...I'm getting a "there are a bunch of freaking weirdos at our events" vibe from that.

  • Coeus||

    ..I'm getting a "there are a bunch of freaking weirdos at our events" vibe from that.

    True, but weird doesn't mean rapey. It just means that all of their sexual advances will be unwanted ones. Which includes "Hi, what's your name?" (and I have seen men called creepy rapists for nothing more than that. Weird men, true, but sometimes that is literally all that it takes.)

    This could probably be resolved by showing them the Tom Brady SNL skit at the beginning of every conference.

    Bottom line, if you look at pictures of these events, you can pretty much tell that the only rapists would be the "she's in bed with me, might as well go for it" types. And there is nothing to fear from those guys if you're not sleeping in a bed with them (an that, by the way, is one of the stupidest damn habits to come out of the MTV generation "I don't know you well enough to have sex with you yet, so lets just sleep in the same bed after making out).

  • nicole||

    I think you're about right, just that it's probably worth showing that skit or whatever.

  • Coeus||

    just that it's probably worth showing that skit or whatever.

    For those who haven't seen it.

    There's bound to be one or two people, right?

  • Killazontherun||

    an that, by the way, is one of the stupidest damn habits to come out of the MTV generation

    Is that for real? Sounds like some women get off on emasculating guys, and the guys they do it to are such huge pussies they let them.

    If you get in my bed you're getting fucked. No in betweens between fucked and making out. Your ass fucked the fuck off. And it will be one hundred and ten percent clear to you before you are allowed to even sit down on it.

  • nicole||

    Yeah, I have to say, that is...not something I would do.

  • Coeus||

    Is that for real?

    Sadly, yes. You can blame a show called "Undressed" for introducing it into the popular culture.

  • Tulpa the White||

    Sounds like some women get off on emasculating guys, and the guys they do it to are such huge pussies they let them.

    So, guys who want other guys to stick their erect penises in their rectums: perfectly healthy alternative lifestyle.

    Guys who sleep in the same bed with a woman without fucking her: pussies.

    (and yes, I think that's strange too, but it's odd that one can be so tolerant of one alternate choice and intolerant of another)

  • Killazontherun||

    Yes, I'm tolerant of homosexuals. I'm also tolerant of pussies but I do give them hell, and basically leave homosexuals alone. They have already decided they are not members of The Game, whereas, pussies still vie for the attention of the opposite sex and ranking within The Game for which there is one Supreme Rule, never submit to another man. As I have said before, there are only two legitimate means of contact between two males that do not violate that rule, a punch and stern eye contact that acknowledges the other.

  • ||

    When my wife mentioned back in college that one of her friends was sleeping in the same bed like you describe, the first thing my mother-in-law said was basically "Hmm, she's gonna get herself raped like that".

  • ||

    When my wife mentioned back in college that one of her friends was sleeping in the same bed like you describe, the first thing my mother-in-law said was basically "Hmm, she's gonna get herself raped like that".

  • Coeus||

    Yet another Fark comment section on a Reason article.

  • RBS||

    Good lord.

  • ||

    It's amazing how stupid people are, isn't it? And it's amazing how they hate libertarians without having the slightest idea of what they are.

  • ||

    If they learned anything about libertarians, then they couldn't as easily project all their hatred onto them. Then how are they going to get their hate on? I mean, that's their raison d'etra.

  • ||

    Liberals love nothing as much as their hatred.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Agree. Ayn Rand hated the state, Hayek as well - and both hated conservatives.

  • Killazontherun||

    One lefty* tried to turn that around and claimed that I wasn't open minded about his beliefs. I told him, 'hey, I went to public school; I use to get all my political ideas from CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, and the New York Times, just like you. So, yeah, I kind of know you too well.

    * the political establishment and the left of more alternative media like the Guardian and the Village Voice differ at only the speed they are traveling to reach the same goals.

  • ||

    Some good comments, though.

    Board of Equalization. Wow. People need to get the hell out of California.

  • ||

    But then there's this:

    Don't try to act like you all of a sudden care about messicans and small business there, republiderps.

  • The Hammer||

    Some Classically stupid comments:

    "Wait, wait... So when the libruls help out the poor it's class warfare and awful but when they try to make them pay taxes it's also class warfare and awful? So the GOP doesn't really care either way they just hate anything the islamo commie Marxist Stalinist Leninist reverse vampire libs?"

    And a few good ones, like this from a guy I have fanned from several years ago:

    MasterThief
    2012-07-13 05:09:22 PM
    Satanic_Hamster: Anyone willing to click on a reason link and explain what they're crying on now?

    Cheating (spanish-speaking immigrant) food truck owners out of an honest day's pay because California can't run a proper budget. The sort of abuse of power that you'd probably be up in arms about if a Republican was involved.

  • ||

    That really is the beauty of all the shit that goes down in CA. No TEAM BLUE player can blame anyone but their own.

  • R C Dean||

    Exactly. Name a solid Red state where shrike's fears have proven out. You can't. Solid Blue states living down to expectations? No problem.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    The Constitution was written by Locke secular liberals - that is why.

    We lean liberal by design. The 10th Amendment is neutered by the rest of the Constitution and incorporation (14th).

  • Randian||

    Irrelevant.

  • ||

    Yeah, but Shrike fears things like soap and independent thought.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    The Southern "Tenthers" is the Johnny Reb redneck asshole of the country who whine about the Constitution (which is the 2nd and 10th Amendments to them) while shitting on the rest of the document.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Two types of people I won't tolerate - bigots and rednecks!

  • Cytotoxic||

    Whereas you pretend to love The Constitution except for the 2nd and 10th and then shit on all of it.

  • Sevo||

    sage|7.13.12 @ 8:04PM|#
    "That really is the beauty of all the shit that goes down in CA. No TEAM BLUE player can blame anyone but their own."

    The propaganda now is that the danger still exists; Team Red *almost* stopped the Euro-cool choo-choo!

  • Whahappan?||

    Oh, ye of little faith!

  • nicole||

    I am kind of impressed at the consistency of some of them. They are just as down on poor small-business owners as they are on the corporashunz.

  • nicole||

    On the other hand, the repeated phrase "tax obligations" is creeping me the fuck out.

  • db||

    OBEY

  • ||

    They own you, nicole, and your labor as well. The collective owns you. You have an obligation to the collective, and they expect you to fulfill that obligation, or they (or agents acting in their stead) will force you to.

    This is how they think, and yes, it is as creepy as fuck.

  • db||

    The weird thing, Epi, is that the true believers find liberty creepy. They have a visceral rejection of the self that is unimaginable to us.

  • ||

    I know, which is why their can never be any kind of alliance. They want the exact opposite from us at a fundamental level.

  • Randian||

    "I am Locutus - of Borg. Resistance - is futile. Your life, as it has been - is over. From this time forward, you will service - us. "

  • db||

    *sprays righteous fire of .45 ACP from his Tommy gun at Randian-of Borg*

  • nicole||

    Yeah, I have to say, reading that comments section, I had a "shit, I have not read anything this statist in a long time, I forgot what it was like" moment. They were just like, "Yeah, you do in fact totally owe taxes on your Indian cigarettes, because the State sez you do," and I realized...they think that because the state says something, it becomes true.

  • db||

    Which is why we need to find a clean slate, like seasteading or the Moon. Unfortunately, our founders thought that it could work. They had the closest thing to a completely isolated continent and still the liberty experiment failed. Was the small poisonous seed of the remaining Tories enough? Was it really that the founders were an elite that somehow mananged to get popular backing for a short time, only to lose in the long game?

  • Coeus||

    Unfortunately, our founders thought that it could work. They had the closest thing to a completely isolated continent and still the liberty experiment failed.

    It's a critical mass of people which kills it. I believe Heinlein, speaking through Lazarus Long said it best.
    "Any time a place gets crowded enough to require IDs, it's time to move on."

  • The Fatman||

    That is it right there. Too many people.

  • The Fatman||

    That is it right there. Too many people.

  • Sevo||

    db|7.13.12 @ 9:23PM|#
    "The weird thing, Epi, is that the true believers find liberty creepy."

    Remember the first time you rode the bike without falling down?
    Progs never got that far; they live in fear of the dangers of freedom just like most of us did until that damn bike didn't pitch us in the dirt. Taking responsibility as a moral agent is terrifying; you have to answer for what you do!

  • Fernando||

    Individiualism is me me me. No regard is given to how your weaker brothers are faring.

  • db||

    So why post here? Obviously you have no hope that we'll care.

  • Fernando||

    Why post here? To prove how uncaring and selfish libertarians are.
    It's a horrible way to live.

  • db||

    What a fucking whiner.

  • Sevo||

    Fernando|7.13.12 @ 10:02PM|#
    'Why post here? To show I'm an idiot'

    FIFY

  • Sevo||

    Fernando|7.13.12 @ 9:34PM|#
    "Individiualism is me me me. No regard is given to how your weaker brothers are faring."

    Hey! Hey! New brain-dead troll!
    You're an idiot.

  • Fernando||

    Show me how you care about other people, Sevo. How have you helped others in need? What sacrifices have you made?

  • Sevo||

    Fernando|7.13.12 @ 10:03PM|#
    "Show me how you care about other people, Sevo."

    Show me you have a brain-cell, idiot.

  • db||

    I don't know about Sevo, but I volunteer time, donate funds, etc. to charities that do good work. Show me yours, 'nando.

  • Sevo||

    db|7.13.12 @ 10:04PM|#
    "I don't know about Sevo, but I volunteer time, donate funds, etc. to charities that do good work. Show me yours, 'nando."

    Your choice, but defending what you do to some ignorant twit seems pretty much a waste.

  • db||

    True. I hath been trolled.

  • Fernando||

    Volunteering and donating to charity doesn't sound very individualistic.

  • Coeus||

    Volunteering and donating to charity doesn't sound very individualistic.

    That's because you apparently don't know what the word means.

  • Cytotoxic||

    With the statists especially those on the left you'll find words simply do not have objective meaning. Hence the need for Objectivism.

  • Sevo||

    Fernando|7.13.12 @ 10:07PM|#
    "Volunteering and donating to charity doesn't sound very individualistic."

    Yep, an idiot.

  • db||

    Clearly.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Show me how you care about other people...

    By letting them keep the results of their labor.

    Remeber, this started by the government of CA trying to extort additional money from food truck operators. Who are poor to lower middle class people, and often immigrants, trying to improve their lot in life through hard work at a dirty and dangerous job, risking their own meager capital, and they will only succeed to the extent that they provide something of value to their fellow men.

    The country would be a much better place if everyone exhibited the work ethic and values of these heroic entrepreneurs.

    And the attitudes and actions of leftists assholes like you and your comrades in the state bureaucracy is complete contempt and predation.

    Look there, a mildly successful powerless person that we can rip off, let's do it! is your unstated call to action.

    Fuck You!

  • Cytotoxic||

    I have no brothers.

  • db||

    Do you have any sisters? And are they hot? More to the point, do they value the work of a man more than the "pull" of a man?

  • Cytotoxic||

    I have no sisters.

  • Fernando||

    Cytotoxic cares only for Cytotoxic.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Actually, that's true. I only love my friends because they make me happy. I only love my family because they also make me happy. Like everything good, it is selfish.

  • Fernando||

    Whereas I help people because it makes them happy. My well-being is not relevant when I'm helping others.

  • Sevo||

    Fernando|7.13.12 @ 10:19PM|#
    "Whereas I help people because it makes them happy. My well-being is not relevant when I'm helping others."

    A idiot and a liar.

  • Cytotoxic||

    You're probably fooling yourself. If not, you have relegated yourself to the status of cattle. You have decided you exist solely for others and better yet others should eagerly toss themselves away for others too. You're human shit.

  • Fernando||

    Why is improving the lives of others ahead of myself a negative?

  • Sevo||

    Fernando|7.13.12 @ 10:24PM|#
    "Why is improving the lives of others ahead of myself a negative?"

    It isn't. Keep doing it, and you'll dies and make some of us happy.

  • db||

    It's not, 'nando, for you. It's your inability to understand that we are happy to let you choose your own best actions that confuses you. You believe you know what's best for yourself, as well as us. If you would simply stop at knowing yourself, your anguish would be so much lesser.

  • Coeus||

    You never know. He might be an unhappy gimp.

  • Sevo||

    Coeus|7.13.12 @ 10:26PM|#
    "You never know. He might be an unhappy gimp."

    S/he's a fool or a knave. Follow the logic and 'nando gives its last food to someone else and dies.
    I guess the nematodes are 'helped' then.

  • Fernando||

    Follow the logic and 'nando gives its last food to someone else and dies.

    You say that like it's a bad thing. Why is it a bad thing?

  • Sevo||

    Fernando|7.13.12 @ 10:36PM|#
    Follow the logic and 'nando gives its last food to someone else and dies.
    You say that like it's a bad thing. Why is it a bad thing?"

    You didn't c/p the part where I posted it was good. You dying is probably a net gain for the world.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Because it means you do not value yourself or your happiness. Altruism: the infinite evil machine.

  • db||

    Don't bother responding to this idiot, Ctyo. I disagree with you frequently but not about this,

  • Sevo||

    Cytotoxic|7.13.12 @ 10:31PM|#
    "Because it means you do not value yourself or your happiness. Altruism: the infinite evil machine."

    Not sure, assuming it's voluntary. It could well be an evolutionary benefit, even in the extreme case of self-denying individuals who end up dying as a result.
    It gets truly evil when it's enforced, and I'm sure 'nando is more than happy to support that alternative.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Altruism means always valuing others over yourself. Even without coercion, it's an evil idea. And it is the root of all the coercive ideologies.

    Ayn Rand said she'd die to save her husband because it was a worthy trade (or something along those lines). The true Altruist says you must eagerly sacrifice yourself for The Other, never no mind if you consider them worthy,

  • Fernando||

    Altruism means always valuing others over yourself.


    Why is it evil to think of others before youself?

  • Fernando||

    So you are saying that it is wrong to value someone else more than yourself. That is the epitome of selfishness.
    How is that a worldview worth pursuing?

  • db||

    'nando, just concern yourself with yourself. don't worry about us fallen ones.

  • Sevo||

    db|7.13.12 @ 10:40PM|#
    "'nando, just concern yourself with yourself. don't worry about us fallen ones."

    There's the contradiction.

  • Sevo||

    Fernando|7.13.12 @ 10:39PM|#
    "How is that a worldview worth pursuing?"

    If you have to ask, well......

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Whereas I help people because it makes them happy. My well-being is not relevant when I'm helping others.

    Glad to hear it. By-the-by, can I have one of your kidneys? It would be helping me out a great deal.

  • Lord at War||

    This is how they think, and yes, it is as creepy as fuck.

    Goodfellas did it better...

    'Now the guy's got the State as a partner. Any problems, he goes to the State. Trouble with the bill? He can go to the State. Trouble with the cops, deliveries, Tommy, he can call the State. But now the guy's gotta come up with the State's money every week, no matter what. Business bad? "Fuck you, pay me." Oh, you had a fire? "Fuck you, pay me." Place got hit by lightning, huh? "Fuck you, pay me."'

  • Tulpa the White||

    It was a stupid article, and while their attitude toward libertarians is awful, it's not like that article puts our best foot forward.

    Basically it's about food trucks not being able to make up their sales tax obligations out of thin air.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    No it's not.

    It's about bureaucrats pulling a business's tax liabilities out of their asses.

  • db||

    Just made the yeast starter for my robust porter -- brewing tomorrow, bitchez.

  • db||

    Dammit. I don't have the hops for the porter. Looks like another Simcoe+Chinook+Amarillo+Saaz IPA.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    John Stossel Impersonator Used His Looks To Sleep With Many Women

    “There was a guy cruising bars pretending to be me and picking up women about ten to fifteen years ago,” Stossel told New York Magazine. “When I heard about it once, I dismissed it. When I heard about more times, I became a little alarmed....

    "it only stopped after we talked to his mother.”

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/joh.....any-women/

  • db||

    Leave Tom Selleck ALONE!!!!

  • Coeus||

    “When I heard about it once, I dismissed it. When I heard about more times, I became a little alarmed....

    That alarming thought was "Holy shit, what the fuck am I doing wrong?"

  • Coeus||

  • db||

    I shave my sack and shaft for the ladies. The back and arms they have to deal with.

  • Coeus||

    Always been wary of doing the sac. Too many folds to nick. I settle for a ball buzz cut.

  • db||

    Have no fear. Aloe is here. Get a good razor and go to town.

  • ||

    +1

    I've gotta say, the sac was so much easier than I thought it would be when I first started doing it.

  • Fernando||

  • Cytotoxic||

    At first I thought it would be sophisticated Chomsky-style evil. I skimmed it and I actually think it was written by a child.

  • Sevo||

    "it only stopped after we talked to his mother.”

    Wait! Is this about shriek?

  • db||

    When have you ever seen Shrike stop at anything?

  • Cytotoxic||

    Our new troll Rainbow Puppies sounds like a real buttplug. Given the propensity for Mary Stack to be multi-handling, this would seem to count as evidence Shriek is actually Mary.

  • db||

    Sometimes I wonder if this troll has broken new psychiatric ground and has two complete trees of personalities, left and right.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Uh oh! The trolls are gaining rampancy!

    My mind status: blown.

  • Sevo||

    Cytotoxic|7.13.12 @ 10:06PM|#
    "Our new troll Rainbow Puppies..."

    What thread?

  • Cytotoxic||

    Look up.

  • Sevo||

    Got it:

    Rainbow Puppy|7.13.12 @ 8:18PM|#
    "He made investments in companies that used aborted babies for Capitalistic ends while he lied about being gone from Bain."

    That's GOOD! But s/he left out using the sweat of the workers to polish the monocles!
    I'm gonna go with snark; just too obvious.

  • Cytotoxic||

    I take it back. It's clearly a spoof of Shriek.

  • Sevo||

    Cytotoxic|7.13.12 @ 10:49PM|#
    "I take it back. It's clearly a spoof of Shriek."

    Pretty sure 'nando is a spoof also; not quite as obvious, but close.
    Still amusing on a Friday evening.

  • Fernando||

    Its pronounced "FERNANDO" and you better as fuck roll that r for 6 seconds.

  • Sevo||

    Fernando|7.13.12 @ 10:58PM|#
    "Its pronounced "FERNANDO" and you better as fuck roll that r for 6 seconds."

    OK, 'nando; busted!
    Not bad, but it's hard to follow that line of BS before you end up biting your own butt.

  • Coeus||

    Ya, he's a regular. Not even one of our griefers.

  • Fernando||

    Individualism: the pursuit of individual rather than common or collective interests; egoism.

  • Coeus||

    So charity can't be an personal interest?

  • Fernando||

    only if your'e doing it for yourself.
    If you do something to make someone else better, it's no longer invdividualism.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Hot damn. Ayn Rand was cloned but...altered to be her own nemesis. Yes, individualism is the pursuit of one's own happiness and the fount of all good.

  • Coeus||

    Ya, we are definitely getting into randian territory here.

  • nicole||

    Ayn Rand was cloned but...altered to be her own nemesis

    I was thinking basically this; well said.

  • Cytotoxic||

    I'm thinking of that Batman episode where the characters all got replaced by red-eyed creepy cyborgs. That was a great episode.

  • Coeus||

    Would you do it if it didn't make you feel better about yourself?

  • Fernando||

    I do it all the time.

  • Coeus||

    And you feel bad about it?

  • Fernando||

    How I feel is not relevant.

  • Coeus||

    It is if we're defining personal interest.

  • Sevo||

    Fernando|7.13.12 @ 10:22PM|#
    "How I feel is not relevant."

    Ducking. Now wait for the weaving.

  • Cytotoxic||

    I think he means it. He's a Borg and he's going to assimilate you. That's how altruists bootstrap.

  • Coeus||

    Ya, I think I just got trolled by Spock.

  • Cytotoxic||

    SPOCK IS LOGICAL and cool. Well the new Spock is cool at least.

  • Coeus||

    Well the new Spock is cool at least.


    Now you're trolling.

  • db||

    Give it the Spocker.

  • Cytotoxic||

    So Fernando would you please kill yourself? Because that would make us all uber happy and how you feel doesn't matter.

  • Cytotoxic||

    No I just like my movies to have characters in them that are interesting and are portrayed by actors that can/will act.

    Just walk away.

  • Cytotoxic||

    THREADS

  • Coeus||

    May you be pon-farred by a pack of hungry, well-hung vulcans.

  • Coeus||

    Since you seem to like them emotional.

  • Cytotoxic||

    I like them directed by JJ Abrams.

  • Randian||

    I will strangle you where you stand.

  • Fernando||

    So wait.
    It's morally superior to make sure you're ok before everyone else around you is?
    If that's what you think, so be it. I just don't see it that way.

  • Coeus||

    It's morally superior to make sure you're ok before everyone else around you is?

    It doesn't even have to be. It's just the smart thing to do. I can tell you have no EMT or Rescue training. If you had, you'd know that your ability to help people is greatly increased when you first care for yourself.

  • Fernando||

    But how much do I help myself before I help others?

  • Sevo||

    Fernando|7.13.12 @ 11:03PM|#
    "But how much do I help myself before I help others?"

    If you have to ask......

  • Fernando||

    Mr Sevo, How much would you fix yourself up before helping others if you were in a crisis?

  • Sevo||

    Fernando|7.13.12 @ 11:10PM|#
    "Mr Sevo, How much would you fix yourself up before helping others if you were in a crisis?"

    Jeeze, 'nando, it's not a crisis until I run out of worker's sweat to polish my monocle!
    If it got to that, I'd call in the guards to work them harder to get some of that sweet, sweet sweat!

  • T o n y||

    They haven't thought deeply about these questions. They found a pseudophilosophy that tells them maximum selfishness is maximum morality, and like anyone with a teenager's appreciation of the history of moral philosophy, they liked it.

  • ||

    $

  • Cytotoxic||

    Doesn't even matter. The very act of self-regard is mortal sin.

  • Fernando||

    Why is that a problem for you?

  • Cytotoxic||

    BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING EVIL.

  • Sevo||

    Cyto, yer bein' spoofed:
    Fernando|7.13.12 @ 10:58PM|#
    "Its pronounced "FERNANDO" and you better as fuck roll that r for 6 seconds."
    Just tell 'nando you won't answer until 'nando spit-shines your boots. Including the soles!

  • Fernando||

    How do you feel about philanthropists?

  • Sevo||

    Fernando|7.14.12 @ 12:03AM|#
    "How do you feel about philanthropists?"

    I'll tell you after you spit-shine my boots.

  • Fernando||

    I don't think you grasp "putting others first".

  • Randian||

    Would you die for someone you didn't know and didn't care about?

  • Fernando||

    I take it people I know are worth more than people I don't.

  • Randian||

    Nonresponsive. Answer the question, please.

  • Fernando||

    Whether I know someone or not doesn't change if I would put my life on the line for them. What kind of a question is that?

  • Killazontherun||

    All altruist should find a cause for which to die. Otherwise, their political philosophy has no tangible value.

  • Fernando||

    How long should someone work at a cause before they are killed by evil corporatists before they are considered an altruistic hero?

  • Killazontherun||

    Depends on the organization for which they belong, of course, and however much that organization value public relations. A mere slayer for the Dark Brotherhood with their altruistic dedication to the God of Murder will be forgotten if he falls for the cause and replaced by the next guy down in rank. They don't want publicity. However, the United Farm Workers thrived on publicity during the Chavez era. If even the lowest ranked peon was to be shot dead by rednecks while picking tomatoes from the field, instant hero status for the unfortunate bastard.

  • Killazontherun||

    values public relations - so no 'sic' in parenthesis for the requoters out there.

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