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The Justices Are Skeptical of the Trump Tariffs, But Are They Skeptical Enough to Strike Them Down?
Some observations from yesterday's argument in Learning Resources v. Trump.
Yesterday, the Supreme Court heard oral argument in Learning Resources v. Trump, the challenges to the Trump Administration's "liberation day" tariffs. This is the first case in which the Supreme Court has heard oral argument on the merits of one of the Trump Administration's second-term initiatives, and is of great economic and political importance. It is also a case which could go either way, for reasons I explained here and in the Wall Street Journal.
At yesterday's oral argument, the justices were active and aggressive, posing challenging questions to all three of the advocates at argument. They showed significant skepticism of the government's arguments, as put forward by Solicitor General John Sauer, but also posed difficult questions to the attorneys representing the private and state respondents.
Over all, I think more justices showed more skepticism of the government's position, but the case remains difficult to call, as it represents a closer legal question than advocates on either side like to admit. It is also a case in which it may be difficult to rapidly produce a single rationale that commands at least five votes even if it appears that a majority of the Court is likely to vote against at least some of the liberation day tariffs.
I have a piece in The Dispatch with additional observations on the oral argument. It begins:
Solicitor General D. John Sauer opened his defense of the Trump administration's "Liberation Day" tariffs as the president would have wanted. He quoted President Donald Trump's insistence that the nation faces "country-killing" emergencies and emphasized the executive's broad authority to impose tariffs to avert "an economic and security catastrophe" and "public health crisis." But things went downhill for the president after the opening statement, as most of the justices seemed wary of Sauer's sweeping claims.
At the core of the argument in Learning Resources Inc. v. Trump is whether Congress, in enacting the 1977 International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), delegated to the president the near-unlimited authority to impose tariffs on trade with foreign nations any time the president is willing to claim an emergency requires it. Under IEEPA, the president is authorized to "regulate … importation … of … any property" from foreign nations in order to deal with "any unusual and extraordinary threat, which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States," once the president declares the existence of a national emergency. This is an unquestionably broad foreign policy power. The question is whether it includes the authority to impose and set tariffs, and can be used to circumvent the procedures and constraints contained in those statutes expressly authorizing tariffs.
In addition to highlighting aspects of the argument that I found notable, I also raised the question of whether the Court will be concerned that the Solicitor General is defending the tariffs on somewhat different grounds than is the President in his public pronouncements. Sauer repeatedly insisted that these are only "regulatory tariffs," and were not adopted for the point of raising revenue, but Donald Trump's claims--some of which are quoted in the SG's brief to the Court--suggest something else entirely.
Despite President Trump's constant pronouncements that his tariffs will raise trillions in revenue, and could even supplant the income tax, the solicitor general insisted that the tariffs were "regulatory tariffs, not revenue-raising tariffs" that would be "most successful" if they never raised any money at all. This pivot was necessary for Sauer to defend the tariffs as a tool of foreign policy, and not of fiscal policy. While tariffs may operate as a tax, insofar as they involve demanding payment from those who import goods into the country, Sauer insisted that they were only used to advance the nation's foreign policy goals, with any revenue raised being a mere incidental benefit.
In the past, the court has been reluctant to place much weight on public statements by the president when evaluating the legality of federal government actions. In National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, in which the Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act, it did not matter that President Barack Obama had insisted that the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate was not a tax. And in Trump v. Hawaii, the court refused to probe the sincerity of the first Trump administration's justifications for barring immigration from multiple majority-Muslim countries despite Trump's statements suggesting he wanted a "Muslim ban."
The problem in this case, however, is that some of the relevant statements were in the government's own brief to the court, including the president's declaration that "because of the trillions of dollars being paid by countries that have so badly abused us, America is a strong, financially viable, and respected country again." It is one thing to disavow statements made on the stump or to the press. It is quite another to disavow those filed with the court.
In advance of the argument, I also appeared on C-Span's Washington Journal to discuss the case alongside Professor Chad Squitieri, who filed one of the few substantive amicus briefs on the side of the Administration. That video is available here.
I suspect the justices, and the Chief Justice in particular, would like to get this decision out quickly, even if only because the more tariff revenues that are collected, the messier this policy may be to unwind. But judging from the argument, I be surprised if we get a decision before the end of the year.
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I think that deep in their guts, the conservatives on the Supreme Court understand that by enabling Trump as they have been, they are facilitating a shift from a constitutional republic to an autocracy completely incompatible with the originalism they claim to believe. I also think it bothers them some but not enough to stop doing it. I just hope that when they sold their souls, they got a good price for them.
I think we have a pretty good idea how much Thomas' is worth.
And how often have you similarly spoken out to the lefty justices and politicians for their own power-enabling partisan law finding?
Trump did not happen in a vacuum. He is a reaction to woke, which is a result of too much government meddling in private lives. The only way to end this vicious cycle is to shrink government. Fiscal reality will do that eventually, but no one will like the result.
If you resort to whataboutism on an issue like this, your opinions are totally worthless and you should shut up and stop embarrassing yourself.
krychek was notably silent with the autocracy occurring during the Obama and Biden administration . Quite a few others likewise notably silent with obama and biden similar autocracy actions.
Joe, and Stupid, you're missing the point. Liberals make no claim to being originalists so when they write anti-originalist opinions, they're not being hypocrites. On the other hand, conservatives do claim to be originalists, so when they write anti-originalist opinions, they are being hypocrites. It's the same issue as when a family values conservative, and someone who makes no claim to believing in family values, both being caught in adulterous affairs. Whatever you may think of adultery, only one of them is a hypocrite.
And Joe, you're wrong on the facts. I was plenty critical of autocracy when the Democrats were in office; if you look at the archives here you'll find several examples. You just naturally assumed that because you're a hypocrite I must be one too.
That is some serious projection - Accusing others of your hypocrisy when you exposed your own hypocrisy. You were the one silent, never complaining about Biden or Obama's autocracy.
Provide an example of when you criticized Biden's or Obama's autocracy
I'm now accusing you of lying for doubling down that I never complained about Democratic autocracy after I just corrected your misstatement to that effect.
But let's make this interesting. I will produce at least two examples of me complaining about Democratic autocracy, on the condition that you have to donate $1,000 to the Democratic Party if I do. Deal?
Not to butt into the middle of a good wager, but I can't help but notice that the ask was for "Biden's or Obama's autocracy" and you merely offered "Democratic autocracy."
I for one wouldn't agree to pay $1k if I was just going to get back something about FDR going a bit too far, for example.
Point taken; that was sloppy writing on my part. So, here's the wager, as currently on the table: If I am able to offer two examples of me being critical of Biden or Obama being autocratic, that I wrote when they were in office, Joe has to donate $1,000 to the Democratic Party. Or, Joe can withdraw his false statement accusing me of hypocrisy if he lacks the courage of his statements.
See, I remember being harshly critical of some of Biden's executive orders on the specific ground that I thought some of them should have gone through Congress and others went beyond his authority. Those past comments of mine are out there if Joe or anyone else wants to go looking for them. But if I'm going to take my time to track them down, I think Joe should either put up or shut up. Let's see which route he chooses. (I'm guessing he simply stops commenting on this thread but time will tell.)
None of which, by the way, has anything to do with the actual subject of this thread or my original comment. Even if Joe weren't wrong about my past comments, my original point still stands: Liberals, who do not believe in originalism, are not being hypocrites when they don't act like originalists. Conservatives, who give lip service to originalism but then act otherwise, are.
So....you're going to find statements where you're critical of the Democratic party. And if you do, someone else has to donate $1,000 to the Democratic party that you were just critical of?
Me thinks you're not actually THAT critical of the Democratic party if your deal is "yeah, they're autocratic...but I'm still going to heavily donate to them"
Armchair, I would expect a reasonably bright ten year old to have better reading and reasoning skills than you just displayed.
Thanks, Prof Adler, for the most objective take on the oral arguments yet.
Prediction markets give roughly one in four odds of SCOTUS upholding the tariffs.
This should be an easy 9-0 decision against Trump. That there are a few justices - *cough*Alito,Thomas*cough* - who seem likely to vote in favor strains belief. I've been a lukewarm supporter of SCOTUS, but if it happens to uphold the tariffs, it'll lose all respect in my eyes. I imagine for a few million of my fellow citizens as well.
Granting Presidential criminal immunity made me lose what little respect I had for the "Conservative" court majority.
I think this is a very dangerous time for the Supreme Court. Hopefully Roberts understands this and can corral the others into behaving sensibly. The Democrats won't be out of power forever--based on this week's election results, they may be back quite soon--and if the Supreme Court fails to stand up to Trump it will be perceived as irredeemably partisan, which will empower the Democrats politically to implement some sort of court-packing scheme.
Sure, but Roberts is also under assault on another front, as a few district court judges are doing their own Resistance™ irredeemably partisan thing right now.
Diane Cannon tops that list, amirite?!
It has nothing to do with if they are skeptical or not. It is all about fascism. Tariffs are not a key part of US fascism. Will striking down the tariffs give SCOTUS a drop of "legitimacy" that they can use to support a truly fascist Trump policy? That is the only question. These are not honest justices that care about the law, only about destruction.
US tariffs are fascist? You do know most every country on the planet employs tariffs, many more burdensome than US policies. I guess every nation on earth is a fascist country these days, even the communists. It must hurt you trying to think.
US tariffs are fascist?
Molly said the opposite. Your reading module needs work.
A president imposing tariffs in violation of the constitution is fascist.
Is it? Couldn't it be "socialist" or "communist?"
THIS president has been slowly sliding into fascism since his first term so, yeah, this president's tariffs represent that political approach.
Anyone who disagrees with me is obviously a fascist. That's quite the principled argument.
I don't think the conservative majority are aiming for fascism even while they enable it. I think they are looking to support the sort of anti-historical, pro-white Christian state a lot of conservatives idolize.
The tariff case is not that important, really. There are, what, 3 additional laws Trump can use to enable tariffs? Though each comes with a hurdle or two. His approach of do whatever you want and force your opponents to exhaust all legal avenues before sidestepping and continuing via stretching another law to breaking and forcing opponents to start the lawsuit process over again can keep him setting random tariffs for another year or two. The only risk to his scheme will be one or both houses of Congress shifting control during the mid-term elections. This is why he's ramping up his secret police force and building rapid response teams prior to election day 2026.
The court could stay the tariffs, making them less complex to unwind. They didnt.
The longer we go without an opinion, the more likely it is they will uphold the tarrifs.
The constitutional limits of power mean nothing when we have precedent that says that "regulate commerce among the states" means the government can regulate a guy growing wheat on his own farm or wheat in his backyard, that "due process of law" confers a substantive right to put one's penis into another man's butt, and that "equal protection of the laws" means that blacks have the right to get what they want, even if outvoted (Washington v. Seattle School District).
This country has been a joke for nearly a century.
Ilya Somin has made this point recently - while he believes in unitary executive power as an originalist principle, he no longer believes it should apply when the Supreme Court has vastly expanded Congress's legislative authority and its ability to delegate that authority under non-originalist doctrines. Which makes sense - either you roll back the non-originalist precedent, meaning the President has way less power than he currently does and the unitary executive doctrine becomes a lot less scary, or you recognize that because we have given away the farm in vastly expanding federal authority you have to rebalance executive power accordingly.
That's a policy argument, not a legal one. Which I do agree with. But I don't think the Supreme Court should be deciding cases according to such thinking. Though it might be legit to let it influence the particulars of opinions for the Court.
That's why I really didn't like, thought it legally pointless, the part of the argument that lamented that a power once delegated to the president is almost impossible to take back because of the veto override supermajority threshold. SCOTUS is not a superlegislature overseeing the optimization of the machinery of government. Either something is legal/constitutional or it isn't. Whether a power might be difficult to repeal in the future if abused should not influence whether it is judged allowable today. That's essentially a political question that Congress needs to decide before passing any law. If it's too shortsighted, the courts are not that kind of correcting mechanism. They only decide cases and controversies. This is why I am a critic of much of the contemporary administrative state, as its difficult for the elected branch to override many of its policies once implemented.
That remains my beef with the Liberation Day tariffs. That Trump implemented a large number is irrelevant to the constitutional/legal analysis. No such thing as a little bit pregnant. If SCOTUS wants to decide that Congress can't delegate such tax/tariff authority to the president without bounding it, fine. (I didn't hear much talk of that yesterday, but maybe in develops when drafting the majority opinion.) But that could apply to a 2% tariff just as much as 20%. Problem remains, as Kavanaugh explored, that previously courts accepted such delegation without any limits.
He quoted President Donald Trump's insistence that the nation faces "country-killing" emergencies and emphasized the executive's broad authority to impose tariffs to avert "an economic and security catastrophe" and "public health crisis."
Does it matter to the court that this is all worse than nonsense?
Is it OK to base your argument on falsehoods?
Obamacare was based on falsehoods. So are most gun control laws. No issue from you there, though, of course.
The court seems skeptical of the idea of deciding cases on hearsay and puffery as opposed to sworn testimony and court filings. That’s not wholly unsurprising, nor is it wrong.
But that was in a court filing.
I think there are a lot of republican politicians secretly praying for SCotUS to invalidate the tariffs so they can avoid having to grow a set.
One explanation of the oral argument is that the Justices were taking special care to ask tough questions of both sides and avoid tipping off which side they were leaning towards in a special effort to avoid appearing biased or partisan. They may have deliberately tried to make it harder to predict the outcome based on their questions.
No. That's not how it works, nor would there be any reason for that to happen. Nobody is going to care what happened at oral argument if the decision comes out the way they want (or doesn't come out the way they want.) They ask tough questions of both sides when they think there are tough questions that need to be answered by each side.
I didn't get that at all. Gorsuch for one went pretty hard at both sides. To a great extent, all the justices played to their tendencies, and I think performed admirably. Even Jackson.
I can certainly see the liberal justices doing something like that. If only to remain non-committal to any theory until they see what might appeal to the rest of their colleagues.
Here's how it will go: They will defer to Trump's declaration of an "emergency" and uphold the tariffs, probably 5-4. They have repeatedly demonstrated that the underlying facts don't matter (See 303 Creative, Bremerton, etc).
Which "conservative" justice do you think will break ranks? I'm guessing it's 6-3 either way, depending on which way Roberts, Gorsuch, and Barrett end up.
BTW, the fancy way to say "facts don't matter" is to declare that determining whether or not there is an "emergency" is a nonjudiciable question. It would be more honest to just say "facts don't matter" .
Whatever you want to call it (nonjudiciable or facts don't matter), it was pretty clear from oral arguments that the justices were not interested in the argument that this wasn't an actual emergency.
As I've been saying since Liberation Day, and perhaps even before that since January 20, questioning the legitimacy of such presidential declarations will either unravel the administrative state, or destroy the credibility and authority of the judiciary. Or maybe both. We can't have district judges being allowed to quasi-partisan second guess how much delegation authority the executive branch is using. It's as untenable as the anti-democratic European Union.
I don't think the left even wants what would perhaps be the cleanest surgical justification to strike down the tariffs (a specific narrow application of non-delegation/MQD because it involves taxation) because even that could backfire as future precedent against other vaguely authorized administrative regulation schemes that raise revenue. I would accept the symmetry of that with the recent decision striking down student loan forgiveness, as also a violation of Article I power of the purse, government spending money not specifically appropriated by Congress. What I cannot accept is special pleading here that because Trump is a tyrant, he can't impose tariffs like this.
Well, "usurping the power of the purse" is exactly the kind of "tyrant" behavior that the courts should strike down as unconstitutional, although here it's about collecting money (i.e. taxes) not necessarily spending it.
And whether that's at the district level, the circuit level, or the SCOTUS level shouldn't matter - unconstitutional is unconstitutional.
Questioning the legitimacy of presidential declarations as they relate to Congressional powers would undermine the administrative state?!
The president's ego is the third rail of politics, folks!
That wasn't in the QP.
For those playing along at home, the questions presented are here and here
DN is correct that whether or not there is an "emergency" is not a question the court agreed to decide, hence no questions along that avenue.
They kinda have to defer on the 'emegency' - the courts do not have the authority to review that decision. Even Congress failed to reserve the authority to directly review it, only to remove/change the law directly.
Of course the courts have the authority to review that decision. All they have to do is say, "We have the authority to review that decision." But it — as I just mentioned above — wasn't the QP for which they granted cert.
The plaintiffs in the suit before the Court of International Trade raised the issue of "this isn't really an emergency", but it's not clear to me whether this was addressed in their ruling or in the appeal (that was upheld and then stayed pending SCOTUS review).
Does anybody know, or have a pointer to the opinion? Thanks.
Somin and company keep, in classic law professor fashion, telling us that they are *clearly* unconstitutional. So this should be a no-brainer for the court, right?
Everything with Somin is "clearly". The oral arguments pretty clearly contradicted that.
The oral arguments pretty clearly showed that the tariffs were clearly unconstitutional.