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Supreme Court Lifts Injunction in Los Angeles Immigration Enforcement Case
Allowing the Administration's program to continue, although not creating any new Fourth Amendment law.
The Supreme Court entered an order today staying an order by a Los Angeles district court that had imposed a broad injunction in how the Trump Administration can enforce the immigration laws. The Supreme Court's order itself has no reasoning, but Justice Kavanaugh wrote a concurrence in the judgment explaining his vote in support of the Court's order and Justice Sotomayor (joined by Justice Kagan and Justice Jackson) wrote a dissent explaining their votes against the Court's order.
Given that the underlying merits involve my area, the Fourth Amendment, I thought I would offer some tentative thoughts.
By way of context, the usual practice is that courts rarely enter injunctions in Fourth Amendment cases. Fourth Amendment law is just too fact-specific. What the police can and can't do is so dependent on the facts that it's hard for courts to carve out ahead of time a class of things the Fourth Amendment will not allow. This creates a problem for courts wanting to impose broad injunctive relief to prevent Fourth Amendment violations. It forces courts to either say something generic like "don't violate the Fourth Amendment" —something the Fourth Amendment already covers—or to try to come up with prophylactic rules to protect the underlying Fourth Amendment values even if it means enjoining some constitutional acts to prevent other unconstitutional ones.
The Supreme Court has in the past interpreted limits on Article III to basically block these options. The key case is City of Los Angeles v. Lyons (1983). To get an injunction, a plaintiff has to show that the specific unconstitutional practice to be enjoined has happened to him before and will likely happen to him again. When that happens, the injunction will be specific and not prophylactic; it will specify a clearly unconstitutional practice. But that's a high bar, as it requires a situation in which a plaintiff who had his Fourth Amendment rights violated in a specific way before to have good reason to think his rights will be violated in that same specific way in the future. It means that injunctive relief in Fourth Amendment cases is uncommon. For more, see my short article The Limits of Fourth Amendment Injunctions (2009).
Now on to this case. The trial court imposed a broad injunction about what kinds of immigration stops are permitted. The key language was this:
a. As required by the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution, Defendants shall be enjoined from conducting detentive stops in this District unless the agent or officer has reasonable suspicion that the person to be stopped is within the United States in violation of U.S. immigration law.
b. In connection with paragraph (1), Defendants may not rely solely on the factors below, alone or in combination, to form reasonable suspicion for a detentive stop, except as permitted by law:
i. Apparent race or ethnicity;
ii. Speaking Spanish or speaking English with an accent;
iii. Presence at a particular location (e.g. bus stop, car wash, tow yard, day laborer pick up site, agricultural site, etc.); or
iv. The type of work one does.
The first part of this, (a), is just more or less summarizing Fourth Amendment law. It's (b) that is the more important part. Exactly what this language means isn't entirely clear, but it has a prophylactic quality. As I read it, at least, it seems to enjoin some constitutional action to prevent other unconstitutional action that is otherwise hard to stop. Put another way, the injunction approaches the Trump Administration's enforcement program at a programmatic level. It seeks to reform it at a programmatic level. That was justified under Lyons, the district court's reasoning seemed to go, because the plaintiffs were groups instead of individuals. In effect, the unknown but presumably large membership of the plaintiff groups created a way around the requirement that the particular plaintiff show a specific practice had happened before that would happen to him again.
When the district court's order came down, I was dubious about the legal basis of it. It seemed too easy a way around the limits of Fourth Amendment injunctions, allowing just the kind of programmatic reform efforts by injunctions that Lyons had stopped. Given all of this, I wasn't surprised that the Supreme Court stayed the order today.
Because the Supreme Court's order doesn't have any reasoning, it doesn't tell us why a majority of the Court ruled as it did. No new law is created. But we do have some dueling opinions which might be of interest. Here's an overview and some thoughts, focusing on the Fourth Amendment-related issues. (I'll skip over the non-Fourth Amendment parts, as they are not in my area of expertise. I'm sure others are writing on those.)
The only view we have in support of the order is Justice Kavanaugh's concurrence in the judgment. Justice Kavanaugh's opinion begins with what I would have thought was the traditional way to look at these things: You can't have this kind of broad injunction under Lyons.
Plaintiffs' standing theory largely tracks the theory rejected in Lyons. Like in Lyons, plaintiffs here allege that they were the subjects of unlawful law enforcement actions in the past—namely, being stopped for immigration questioning allegedly without reasonable suspicion of unlawful presence. And like in Lyons, plaintiffs seek a forward-looking injunction to enjoin law enforcement from stopping them without reasonable suspicion in the future. But like in Lyons, plaintiffs have no good basis to believe that law enforcement will unlawfully stop them in the future based on the prohibited factors—and certainly no good basis for believing that any stop of the plaintiffs is imminent. Therefore, they lack Article III standing: "Absent a sufficient likelihood" that the plaintiffs "will again be wronged in a similar way," they are "no more entitled to an injunction than any other citizen of Los Angeles; and a federal court may not entertain a claim by any or all citizens who no more than assert that certain practices of law enforcement officers are unconstitutional." Lyons, 461 U. S., at 111; see Clapper v. Amnesty Int'l USA, 568 U. S. 398 (2013); Application 16–22; Reply 4–9.2
That seems right. It's what I take to be the standard view of the law from Lyons.
Next, Justice Kavanaugh argues that even if the plaintiffs have standing to bring the case, the government has a fair prospect of success on the merits under the Fourth Amendment:
To stop an individual for brief questioning about immigration status, the Government must have reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the United States. See Brignoni-Ponce, 422 U. S., at 880–882; Arvizu, 534 U. S., at 273; United States v. Sokolow, 490 U. S. 1, 7 (1989). Reasonable suspicion is a lesser requirement than probable cause and "considerably short" of the preponderance of the evidence standard. Arvizu, 534 U. S., at 274. Whether an officer has reasonable suspicion depends on the totality of the circumstances. Brignoni-Ponce, 422 U. S., at 885, n. 10; Arvizu, 534 U. S., at 273. Here, those circumstances include: that there is an extremely high number and percentage of illegal immigrants in the Los Angeles area; that those individuals tend to gather in certain locations to seek daily work; that those individuals often work in certain kinds of jobs, such as day labor, landscaping, agriculture, and construction, that do not require paperwork and are therefore especially attractive to illegal immigrants; and that many of those illegally in the Los Angeles area come from Mexico or Central America and do not speak much English. Cf. Brignoni-Ponce, 422 U. S., at 884–885 (listing "[a]ny number of factors" that contribute to reasonable suspicion of illegal presence). To be clear, apparent ethnicity alone cannot furnish reasonable suspicion; under this Court's case law regarding immigration stops, however, it can be a"relevant factor" when considered along with other salient factors. Id., at 887.
Under this Court's precedents, not to mention common sense, those circumstances taken together can constitute at least reasonable suspicion of illegal presence in the United States. Importantly, reasonable suspicion means only that immigration officers may briefly stop the individual and inquire about immigration status. If the person is a U. S. citizen or otherwise lawfully in the United States, that individual will be free to go after the brief encounter. Only if the person is illegally in the United States may the stop lead to further immigration proceedings.
In short, given this Court's precedents, the Government has demonstrated a fair prospect of success both on standing and Fourth Amendment grounds. To conclude otherwise, this Court would likely have to overrule or significantly narrow two separate lines of precedents: the Lyons line of cases with respect to standing and the Brignoni-Ponce line of cases with respect to immigration stops based on reasonable suspicion. In this interim posture, plaintiffs have not made a persuasive argument for this Court to overrule or narrow either line of precedent, much less both of them.
I am not so sure what to make of this. It's trying to answer a vague hypothetical: If there were actual facts, would those actual facts reveal a Fourth Amendment violation? I think the answer is, well, it just depends on what the facts turn out to be.
This goes back to the prophylactic point I made above. If we imagine 100 stops that were prevented by the injunction, some number X would satisfy the Fourth Amendment and some number 100-X would not. We don't know what X is. Maybe it's 50, or maybe it's 90, or maybe it's 10. Or something else. Who knows. But there are no specific facts yet, which makes it impossible to apply the Fourth Amendment at this point.
I think Kavanaugh is on solid ground in thinking that X is not zero. That is, some of the stops would be constitutional. And for that matter, some of the interactions would not be deemed stops at all. But I'm not sure how that should translate in terms of the likelihood of success on the merits under the doctrine, though. Are we talking about the government's likelihood of success in one of the X cases where the Fourth Amendment was satisfied (very high), or the likelihood of success in one of the 100-X cases where the Fourth Amendment was violated (very low)? Maybe, in a case involving some unknown but large number of stops, you just take the whole imagined set and average them to get some predicted typical likelihood of success (high enough to satisfy that prong of the test, apparently)? The question is an odd one.
Justice Sotomayor's dissent offers a starkly different picture. Justice Sotomayor accepts the programmatic framing of the district court. That is, instead of looking at individual stops, she would look broadly at the program of stops that the Trump Administration enacted, called "Operation At Large." This is my characterization, not hers, but I think it's fair to say that this means you treat the facts as an imagined stop that the Administration is planning, in which (as she puts it) "all Latinos, U. S. citizens or not, who work low wage jobs are fair game to be seized at any time, taken away from work, and held until they provide proof of their legal status to the agents' satisfaction." With that as as the assumed set of facts, Justice Sotomayor says that those facts violate the Fourth Amendment:
The Fourth Amendment thus prohibits exactly what the Government is attempting to do here: seize individuals based solely on a set of facts that "describe[s] a very large category of presumably innocent" people. Reid, 448 U. S., at 441. As the District Court correctly held, the four factors—apparent race or ethnicity, speaking Spanish or English with an accent, location, and type of work—are "no more indicative of illegal presence in the country than of legal presence." App. 105a. The factors also in no way reflect the kind of individualized inquiry the Fourth Amendment demands. See, e.g., Terry, 392 U. S., at 21, n. 18 ("This demand for specificity . . . is the central teaching of this Court's Fourth Amendment jurisprudence"); United States v. Arvizu, 534 U. S. 266, 277 (2002) (relying on particularized facts about the vehicle and its passengers to justify stop based on reasonable suspicion). Allowing the seizure of any Latino speaking Spanish at a car wash in Los Angeles tramples the constitutional requirement that officers "must have a particularized and objective basis for suspecting the particular person stopped of criminal activity." United States v. Cortez, 449 U. S. 411, 417–418 (1981).
What about the problem of X? That is, that some X number of stops will be constitutional, and therefore presumably shouldn't be enjoined? Justice Sotomayor is dismissive of these concerns. Looking at the enforcement action as a program, she says the government has not put forward evidence that stops under the program are X cases. Thus, the X stops can be considered outside this case and are not relevant:
In any event, Operation At Large bears little resemblance to the Government's hypothetical. The Government has provided no evidence showing that its seizures were based on credible intelligence about a particular employer at a particular location. Indeed, the Government submitted no evidence about what facts its agents relied upon to conduct most of the seizures documented in the record. Rather, its declarations suggest that the Government generally targeted locations based on the "types of businesses" that, in the agents' generalized experiences, undocumented immigrants supposedly frequent. ECF Doc. 71–2, at 2 (emphasis added). That is plainly insufficient to give rise to a "particularized and objective basis for suspecting [a] particular person" under the Fourth Amendment. Cortez, 449 U. S., at 417–418.
What to make of this?
It seems to me that Justice Kavanaugh's opinion and Justice Sotomayor's dissent both have a hard time grappling with the X problem, and they both end up addressing it through framing. There are a lot of stops here, and some will comply with the Fourth Amendment (X) and others won't (100-X). Justice Kavanaugh says, in effect, there's enough X here so that we can take X as important we can't have a broad injunction. Justice Sotomayor says, in effect, let's focus on the 100-X cases so we can exclude the X cases from consideration and we need the broad injunction.
To my mind, all of this points to the underlying problem with Fourth Amendment injunctions that I wrote about in my 2009 article. It's hard to enter orders addressing a large but unknown set of scenarios in which some of the scenarios will be constitutional and some won't. You end up either just saying to not violate the Fourth Amendment, or you end up with the impossible task of trying to say in advance which specific facts will violate the Fourth Amendment, or you end up entering an overly broad prophylactic order enjoining a broad class of conduct to get to the cases that are unconstitutional within it. Given how fact-specific Fourth Amendment law is, it's just a hard way to rule on Fourth Amendment issues. So I tend to think reliance on Lyons is correct here, and that this should get in the way of saying much if anything about the Fourth Amendment merits.
Anyway, all of this means a lot more practically than legally. Legally, this doesn't change the law, as far as I can tell. It's an order with no reasoning, and Kavanaugh's opinion can be read in different ways but I wouldn't think of it as changing the law (at least on Fourth-Amendment-related issues). What matters here is the practical reality that the Trump Administration's enforcement program can continue. That's a very big deal on the ground.
Anyway, those are my tentative thoughts.
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What an informative article. Thank you.
Yep. Much more thoughtful and engaging than Somin's post. Thanks, Prof. Kerr.
Within a 100-mile radius from the U.S. border, known as the "border zone," U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents can stop, question, and detain individuals, including boarding public transportation, without a warrant or requiring probable cause, due to a long-standing law that is often seen as eroding Fourth Amendment protections. This zone encompasses nearly two-thirds of the U.S. population, including major cities and entire states like Florida, and can lead to increased surveillance, checkpoints, and fear among immigrant and non-immigrant communities.
What is the "100-mile zone"?
Federal Authority:
The federal government defines a "reasonable distance" for immigration enforcement as 100 air miles from external U.S. boundaries.
Legislation:
This authority stems from a statutory interpretation of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).
Impact:
This zone significantly impacts a large portion of the U.S. population, including major cities and many states, and is often a site for immigration enforcement activity.
What can CBP agents do in this zone?
Stop and Detain:
Agents can stop, interrogate, and detain individuals.
Board Public Transport:
They can board buses and trains to question passengers.
Internal Checkpoints:
Both permanent and temporary internal checkpoints can be set up.
Search:
In some cases, agents can conduct searches of belongings.
What's your point? Copying and pasting a wall of text about a lately different subject isn't helpful.
I miss when civil rights were about giving people a fair shake but not about banning the concept of inductive and deductive logic no matter the situation or cost even in situations of time sensitive public safety.
misplaced reply.
Agreed, that was very well explained regardless of which way you wish the answer to come out. Thank you, Prof Kerr.
If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck it might not be actually be a duck in X cases out of a hundred.
But, here it's pretty darn clear that it actually is a duck. Thanks for the legalistic explanation, but where the rubber hits the road it's clear that the administration doesn't feel constrained by the 4A, mostly because the SCOTUS is more than willing to look the other way.
Yeah, sure, those of us who are able bodied, white, male, heterosexual, Christian-appearing, successful college-educated millionaires who can afford attorneys to assert our 4A rights have nothing to worry about. At least for now.
"First they came for the Hispanics..."
Thanks for the reply.
FWIW, I was assuming that the Court should not overturn settled precedent on the shadow docket, and so i was considering how that settled precedent applies. That's legalistic, as you say, in that it's considering how I think the settled law applies. (If you believe the Court should overturn settled precedent on the shadow docket, it's of course totally fair to say my post is too narrow.)
It is notable that the administration did back down in LA, at least as compared to what they claimed was their initial intent.
We'll see what the future holds with these shadow docket rulings looking like the Court isn't crossing the administration on much of anything as of yet.
I was assuming that the Court should not overturn settled precedent on the shadow docket,
Would it have overturned settled precedent to simply let the lower court's injunction stand pending outcome of the litigation? The justices have broad discretion to deny cert, at least as I understand it.
Seems to me that if I have my drivers license suspended for too many speeding tickets, claiming that some fraction of the time I actually drive below the speed limit is not an affirmative defense, But that seems to be the argument here. "BUT BUT BUT sometimes we do occasionally follow the limits of the constitution."
In practice, yes, because the lower court's injunction violated precedent.
What precedent? There isn't one cited, of course.
It’s summer break! Why disturb their vacations. And we cannot allow the administration to suffer the injury of not being able to deport whoever they want. They’ve never accidentally harmed a US citizen. Or publicly tweeted about deporting US citizens illegally. Or sent people to torture camps. Or kidnapped students on valid visas. And even if they did they’re on vacation we should just take their word for everything until we figure this out in March of next year. It’s not like the poor president doesn’t have infinite lawyers at his disposal. We can’t demand much evidence for him. Only the wealthy well to do low wage workers need to provide evidence after all.
The fact there was no precedent cited should actually encourage you because it means that the per curium majority hasn't yet made up their mind.
As Kavanaugh previously explained citing precedent and explaining reasoning before the case has been decided in the lower courts, and briefed in the Supreme Court may tend to lock in a result prematurely, not only that it may affect the briefs and encourage them to focus on the issues that were the focus of the stay, not a possible winning argument on other grounds.
The more precedent they cite, the more locked in the result is.
If you believe the Court should overturn settled precedent on the shadow docket, it's of course totally fair to say my post is too narrow.
Begs the question. What precedent? What instance of comparably announced lawless intent by a President was previously implicated?
This is an unprecedented fact situation, in an unprecedented context. The Court is sanewashing lawless activity—crazy activity by the Executive—of which the Court ought instead to be taking judicial notice.
That makes it too difficult for practicing lawyers—not just Professor Kerr—to demand that the Supreme Court do something unprecedented in an unprecedented situation. Way too difficult, after the Court has shown inclination to insist otherwise.
While the Court asserts practical liberty to decide Trump-related cases on the shadow docket, and leave it at that, to insist that the shadow docket does not make precedent of its own remains practical nonsense. With that going on, it becomes empty formalism to insist that the shadow docket does not make precedent. It makes shadow docket precedent. And as this and other like cases show vividly, shadow document precedent has become a newly important legal category.
Broaden the context to its full actual extent. Broaden it to include the needs of ordinary Americans who are not lawyers, and to include likewise the future of American constitutionalism. Then a lawyer ought to decide judiciously, and more broadly, whatever the anxieties required to reach a correct answer.
To understand the law, it is never sufficient merely to understand what the Court says. A lawyer must understand the activities which the Court purports to govern—understand them well enough so that in rare, extreme instances such as this one, the lawyer understands when the Court's own insight has lapsed.
Thus, to reclaim its tattered legitimacy, this Court needs to show—to ordinary Americans, to lawyers, and to the world—at least a few instances of outright, full-opinion decisions on the merits. It must show willingness to risk Trump's open defiance, lest endlessly repeated Court quailing prove too conclusively the ascendance of Executive supremacy over the Court.
Until that happens, Trump's openly proclaimed lawless intent remains all-too precedential as a practical matter. It delivers shadow docket abuse of, for instance, the rights of birthright citizens. Lawyers who stand by and watch that happen without objection put themselves in awkward postures. They do it to avoid yet-more-uncomfortable postures of open resistance to a Court which wields supreme authority over their profession.
Unwillingness to suffer that discomfort is not what this nation needs from its legal community. Not during this prolonged moment of national crisis. Lawyers trained to docility do not serve well the needs of emergency.
Well if you go into it with the assumption that the courts, all courts should rule against the Administration all the time, regardless of the law, that makes sense.
At least Roberts and Barrett, if not Kavanaugh and Gorsuch, have shown a willingness to rule against the Administration when they feel its warranted, but I guess the merits shouldn't come into it.
My hope for Roberts, based on his past behavior:
He is aware that if Trump decides the SC is systematically against him, there's a possibility that judicial review could effectively end permanently, most likely through openly declared defiance of court decisions, although more direct and personal methods are out there also.
So he's trying to give MAGA a lot of bones, saving an outright overruling of Trump for when it really, really matters. That could be the birthright case, but he might even give Trump that one, to save his one shot in case Trump tries something like stripping citizenship from native born critics, running for a third term, or suspending habeas corpus.
ducksalad — You describe the apparent situation all too vividly. If you are accurate, then the only hope for Roberts is to put his faith in America's people to back him up when he delivers a substantive check to Trump's lawless activity.
That should happen as soon as possible, not later. Trump, left alone, is all too likely go down the traditional despots' road to consolidate power, with ever-more-frightening initiatives against popular resistance. Later action by the Court to keep Trump in check will be weakened if it depends on a progressively more-terrified populace as the sole means to make it effective.
1. A complaint about Kavanaugh:
He writes " If the person is a U. S. citizen or otherwise lawfully in the United States, that individual will be free to go after the brief encounter." Is this an order, or a wish, or a lie? It sure isn't a statement of fact, because there are already cases of U. S. citizens being arrested and placed in detention camps.
2. A complaint about Kerr's interpretation of Kavanaugh:
Reduced to its simplest form, the argument is that all unconstitutional detentions must be allowed to continue indefinitely, for fear of stopping any constitutional ones. I understand that this only about injunctions. But in an immigration case there is not going to be any compensation for wronged citizens, no consequences for ICE perpetrators, and no trial from which evidence can be excluded. So....it's unconstitutional but allowed unhindered indefinitely. Not very satisfying.
3. An opinion about Professor Kerr alone:
It's sad that one of nation's most prominent Fourth Amendment scholars, and a person with excellent communication skills, appears to have no particular liking (or dislike) for its protections. He's a strictly neutral observer of the ongoing erosion.
I guess that's valuable as far as accurately documenting and analyzing the current state of things. But it would be nice to have more prominent and readable academics who advocate for the 4th Amendment. Leaving it all to criminal defense lawyers means the courts will mostly see arguments brought by obviously guilty people, which encourages making exceptions to allow the convictions to stand.
Duck, have you read my new book, The Digital Fourth Amendment? You'd probably like it a lot.
As for your accusation that in this post I did not infuse my discussions of law with my personal policy preferences, guilty as charged, I suppose.
Since I was flattered you took the time to reply, I just now bought it on Amazon. $28.18 including shipping, hopefully the policy preferences laid out there will be worth the two lost meals at McDonald's.
I don't understand point 3. Are you saying that his analysis of this case should be based on feelz rather than logic and facts? He should NOT be a strictly neutral observer?
IANAL and Prof Kerr is a good illustration of the kind of quibbler who sets my teeth on edge, even in this case. But to claim he should be all biased feelz instead of a strictly neutral observer is just plain bizarre. There's all sorts of things I don't like about any of the participants in this whole fandango. But compare this to Ilya Somin's all-feelz-all-articles screeds ... I'll take dispassionate analysis like this any day. And I'm not damning it with faint praise. This is clear and provides meat for rebuttals, if someone wants to.
Of course the Professor can write whatever he wants, that's why I labeled #3 an opinion rather than a complaint. Nothing wrong with being an impartial dispassionate observer, but nothing wrong with being an advocate either. Lawyers can take sides, SC justices can take sides.
IMO there's a lack of defenders of the 4th Amendment, and I know that he could be a very effective one if he decided to go that way. It's more like there's a Pineville baseball team, there's a Pineville guy who is an absolutely outstanding player, and he says he feels like being the ref instead. His choice but some could find it disappointing.
PS Somin's article was just fine but it won't convince anyone not already on his side. Kerr's not even trying to convince anyone.
Wouldn't you prefer to have at least some neutral observers in the academy to tell you what the state of the law and precedent is, rather than cheerleading and mislead you?
You see too often in these politically charged legal debates people who let their political preferences overwhelm their legal acumen and then mislead everyone reading their screed about what the chances of success on the merits is. The debate over sections 3 and 5 of the 14th amendment last year should have illustrated that, you likely saw a boatload of analysis that catered to your sensibilities, but it didn't prepare you for the 9-0 decision that resulted. And then you end up thinking the whole court is a bunch of hacks, Jackson included, because your were told there was virtually no counter argument, it just was.
And as a layman, when I look at constitutional and Bill of Rights law in particular, there is no area that is more infected with judge made law, and more divorced from a plain reading of the text or an application of first principles.
I mean think about Terry Stops, Curtilage doctrine, Open Fields doctrine, exigent circumstances, good faith exception, how long you can wait for a drug sniffing dog, when you are seized, third party doctrine, and those are just a few that come to mind for a layman. And I can think of no other area of constitutional law so deferential to civil authority than 4th amendment law, at least from my viewpoint.
Why do people keep telling this lie? Virtually none of the people who argued that the 14th amendment disqualified Trump predicted that the Court would do so. They were discussing what they deemed to be the correct interpretation, not saying that SCOTUS was likely to apply it in that fashion.
This is a shameful pro-racism ruling.
Transaction denied. Your race card is massively overdrawn.
You're failing to grasp a stamp of the foot. Might a door slam or a serious eye roll change your mind?
I agree with you. Around 2014 my ex-wife, originally from Guatemala but by then a US citizen, was driving from Indianapolis to a meeting in Detroit. She was stopped by an Indiana trooper who told her that she had committed no infraction but that he wanted to see her ID and to search her car. My daughter, then about 12, was with her. After she proved she was a citizen and (stupidly) allowed a search, he let her go, again noting that he had pulled her over for no violation of the law. Now things are much, much worse.
How many times, if any, has that happened to her since then?
I got pulled over by the Border Patrol just yesterday. Allowed the search.
There's nothing "stupid" about allowing a search, there are likely consequences for refusing and they would have fallen on my passenger as well as me. Rosa Parks took a stand and went to jail, but I don't blame the thousand other black Montgomery residents who decided like me that they needed to spend that evening with their families. Call it cowardly if you like, but it's not stupid.
ducksalad, your confidence is misplaced. To allow a search by multiple LEOs without an indelible record you can control puts you at grave risk. Whatever happens—including appearance from nowhere of inexplicable evidence against you—will later in court be your uncorroborated word against sworn officers whose testimony is mutually supportive. The officers do not even need to be corrupt, just innocently mistaken, and you could be in the soup.
I say that after making that same mistake myself, twice, and then thinking it over later, after advice from lawyer friends.
In fairness, those instances happened years ago, without subsequent trouble for me. But more reflectively, one such incident was a law enforcement interview out of the blue—about a really serious cold case which lay decades in the past. Knowing I was completely innocent, I felt blithely confident talking for an hour to two FBI agents who arrived at my door by surprise.
I foolishly bought into a pose that they were seeking witness testimony I might have to give, because someone else they thought was the real perp had been using my name, so maybe he knew me. Toward the end of the interview, it became evident they were checking to see if they could turn up evidence to pin on me a Vietnam era bombing murder in Madison, Wisconsin—where I had indeed been visiting shortly before it happened.
I guess those FBI guys were professionals, and I'm glad of it. It gives me chills to think of the risks I ran while amiably chatting away, and asking curious questions about the case.
It brought me up short when they asked me if I had ever visited Madison, and if so, when. I had to check after they were gone to corroborate my memory of the date of the visit—it coincided with the opening of the Sun Prairie Corn Festival, which I visited with a friend who was along for the trip. And sure enough, that was close in time to the bombing.
Of course it also gives me chills to wonder what would have happened if I had closed the door in the agents' faces. Problem is, it's just a situation you don't want to find yourself in.
I wasn't the least bit confident. My on-the-spot calculation was as follows. Anyone here feel free to tell me if I was wrong, these are conjectures rather than facts.
- The BP officers had already decided they were going to search the car and get answers to their questions. They can engineer whatever level of probable cause they need to do that.
- Since we were US citizens and not, in fact, smuggling drugs or aliens, the risk of a legitimate long term imprisonment or deportation was very low.
- The real risks are short term "legitimate" (through SC providing no remedy) incarceration for the weekend, or conviction for some minor inadvertent offense. Both of those depend mainly mostly on the discretion of the officers.
- The best way to avoid those real risks was to not stand on my rights and not provoke them into using their discretion against me.
Popehat pointed out a few years ago that "Never talk to the cops" is absolutely the right approach from purely legal considerations, but it's also a reflection of privilege. If you or I get arrested because we didn't seem cooperative enough, it will be embarrassing, but it will not ruin our lives. We will almost certainly immediately make bail and then can challenge anything later in court. The short time we are in jail before making bail will inconvenience us. On the other hand, if a poor person gets arrested, he may well not be able to make bail, or at least not immediately. Even a few days in jail can cost him his job, which can cost him his apartment, his car, etc. And maybe his kids.
David
Fully agree, but in this case it's not just the money. Don't want to do TMI about the person who was with me, but her personality, medical history, and cultural background are such that I would not risk even a 1% chance of her being subjected to jail intake.
It might be correct as a matter of law. Broad injunctions like these are disfavored.
But the fact remains that as a practical matter US citizens and people with valid visas are getting kidnapped off the streets and released maybe weeks later? With no remedy whatsoever? According to Kavanaugh they have no standing because who knows if it will happen again. But if it does then what?
It seems like an extremely restrictive view of standing to deny both money damages, then the workaround is supposed to be injunction relief, and then deny that because it’s *speculative*. All injunctive relief is inherently speculative. To assert any rights at all we need to be willing to have some leeway here.
The answer is to make Bivens great again, but the current majority not only does not want to do that it’s probably going to overturn the whole thing.
Indeed.
I don’t know. How soon before California or Massachusetts decides the Westfall Act is unconstitutional and allows suits under state law? Kidnapping is a crime. And are these agents really acting pursuant to laws passed by Congress?
Might be a stretch, then again at this point given some of the legal reasoning of the admin idk if it’s *that* much of one
Is that really happening or is a talking point?
There is a data base for issued visa's
there is a data base for DL's which show what documentation was provided for ID required to obtain the DL. Note that CA and other states that issue DL's to illegal aliens still require some form of ID
Professor Kerr,
What you say makes sense: (1) an injunction has to say something more specific than "officers must follow the law;" and (2) saying anything more specific than that is nigh impossible unless a specific fact scenario is presented. That limits injunctive relief if the government is acting normally.
I suspect a common concern here is that government officials are not acting normally. I think the tacit suspicion is that high ranking officials are saying or heavily implying to street-level officers "don't worry about what the Fourth Amendment requires, just do what it takes."
If that turned out to be true, would it change how you viewed the possibility of injunctive relief. Could there be an injunction saying "don't have a policy or practice of not caring about the Fourth Amendment"? My first reaction is that such an injunction could be consistent with the approach of Los Angeles v. Patel, 576 U.S. 409 (2015), but I haven't thought deeply about it.
I ask because I note that, in your law review article, you do flag that, in Rizzo, "evidence did not directly implicate the Mayor, the police chief, or the City Managing director: they were not actually responsible for the wrongdoing."
Sad it is that the great civil libertarians — largely not lawyers — are dead and gone. We have pedants in cushy jobs, not firebrands like Mencken and Hentoff. Perhaps if this were the time of firebrands, we wouldn't be in this fix. Reading this blog, once senses an echo of the legalistic pretensions of the Soviet Union. It had all the trappings of a justice system without the actual justice.
Orin,
Can the case be brought back in front of this same judge if/when (sadly, I assume it's "when" a particular person is detained for a second time, at some point in the future? Or, one assumes, even detained for a third time. That would seem to get rid of the conservative Justices' (incredibly silly and naive) argument of, "Well, none of these plaintiffs have any expectation of being detained again in the future."
I assume that this fact pattern would give them standing, at the very least. Although not a snowball's chance in hell of convincing the 6 far-right Justices of the actual merits of the underlying case, when push comes to shove.
I suspect that, just as "Driving while Black" is now a well-known part of how some minorities have to live their lives; "Working while Brown" will be a phrase that soon will join that undistinguished company.
If it prevents one murder, its worth it!
If I’m understanding, the reason that they don’t need PC and only “reasonable suspicion” is that INA says so. Why not take up a facial challenge of INA based on the fact it seems to narrow the 4th amendment rather than this broad class based relief?
Great article! Thanks for getting it out so quick.
Nope. The reason is that you only need 'reasonable suspicion' for any stop, whether about an immigration violation or any other violation. 'Probable cause' is the standard for an arrest.
A difference in theory, not in practice. They can generate probable cause from reasonable suspicion, all they need to do is bring in the probable cause dog that barks when they tell it to.
Only issue is if the dog is really far away, since they can't hold you just to wait for the dog. But they can take their time to run your driver's license and ask lots of questions, as long as they don't come out and say we're just waiting for the dog.
And that's a problem - but primarily a drug war problem. It's definitely not a problem unique to (and certainly not created by) the INA as bjbmoglo suggested above.
I don't think even ICE has figured out how to plausibly claim that they've trained dogs to detect immigration status.
It was the BP, not ICE. Part of their job description is drug interdiction, and in fact that is what the stop was about. But anyway, even an ICE agent can claim he had reasonable suspicion for an immigration stop but then happened to smell marijuana, etc etc.
In case anyone is wondering: I got stopped because earlier in the day I'd been driving on an unpaved county road near the river, and I was not one of the known landowners there. Turns out they'd been tracking me for miles to see where I'd go next, finally when I stopped at a McDonald's they did the stop, perhaps because they were afraid I'd hand off the (nonexistent) package and they'd lose track of it.
They'd already looked up my car and apparently had border camera images of me, because when they were yelling instructions through the loudspeaker they called me by name.
This standard isn't from the INA. It's the standard use for brief non-custodial stops, Terry stops, as they're known.
If an officer has a reasonable suspicion of a crime, based on the overall situation, they can briefly stop and question you, about immigration or any other crime.
The question, apart from standing, is whether being, for example, a Hispanic male with limited English looking for a day job outside of Home Depot is enough for reasonable suspicion.
If 99% of the people in that category are illegal immigrants, is that enough to be reasonable? 10%? 5%?
DUI checkpoints are deemed reasonable with a hit rate below 1%
Mulched — Those brief, non-custodial stops? Can you just drive away from them before the briefness expires?
Moe-Hammed Atta did, what ever happened to him?
No. (IANAL)
"Like in Lyons" is used three times in the first quoted paragraph of Justice Kavanaugh's opinion. Surprising to me that neither the Justice nor his clerks would realize such use is highly ungrammatical.
These fourth amendment disputes normally arise in a post-search context, e.g., a suppression hearing in a criminal case or a civil rights action. In those contexts, not only are the facts more developed, but the government (usually through an officer who participated in the stop) has identified the facts that formed the basis for the "reasonable articulable suspicion."
If, in that context, a cop offered the four facts identified in the injunction to support suspicion, most judges would find reasonable suspicion lacking. I think most would also be taken aback at the government's suggestion that race or ethnicity in and of itself can support reasonable suspicion.
A broader issue that arises from ICE's conduct, as detailed in the dissent and the lower court's opinion in this case, and as reflected in countless other incidents not only in LA County but across the country, is that ICE officers, unlike most cops, seem to lack any understanding of what they are and are not allowed to do. Any cop knows you can't do a Terry stop by stuffing a suspect in the back of a patrol car, driving him to the station, and asking him questions there. But that's what many of these ICE officers are doing.
There are disincentives to cops doing this. They can get sued, or evidence can get suppressed and the case thrown out. Employers of cops also have incentives to train cops to make sure they don't run roughshod over the Fourth Amendment, since they can also be subject to liability (either directly or through indemnification), and since they would also rather not have evidence suppressed in criminal cases. Some of those employers also buy insurance for these sorts of situations, and those insurers are doubtless also keen to make sure that officers know the law.
Those disincentives don't apply to the ICE agents who participate in these roundups. Civil remedies against federal agents for violating fourth amendment rights are very weak. And these raids are not about detecting and punishing crime.
Thank you! Reading Kavanaugh's apologia about reasonable suspicion had me scratching my head because what he is actually overlooking from the factual record is the legal test for an arrest [where armed officers are handcuffing, tackling, putting in vehicles and taking them against their will to some other destination] does in fact require probable cause. Not the lesser standard of reasonable suspicion. The videos I have seen there is no brief investigatory stop to ask a few questions. Its more like smash and grab operations.
These are warrantless actions. A warrantless seizure/arrest requires probable cause. The fact of the matter is that there is no recourse for those wrongfully detained who are citizens; nor those who are not. There isn't a motion to quash arrest in the immigration context I am aware of.
The govt shouldn't benefit from its own unconstitutional conduct full stop. And by blessing it; we are only going to get more of it. Disgusting.
"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race." Parents Involved in Community Schools v. Seattle School Dist. No. 1, 551 U.S. 701, 748 (2007) (plurality opinion).
Unless, of course, the target of racial discrimination is a Spanish speaking Latino in the parking lot of Home Depot.
If anyone ever gives John Roberts an enema, the remains could likely be buried in a cigar box.
This is about saving lives!
If a person has been detained on reasonable suspicion of being an unwanted alien, and nothing more, does the person have an obligation to prove entitlement to be in the United States? If he remains silent does he go free?
"the usual practice is that courts rarely enter injunctions in Fourth Amendment cases"
There have been a lot of unusual injunctions these past seven months.
"Speaking Spanish or speaking English with an accent"
Like Senator Kennedy (not the one who left a young woman to asphyxiate (not drowned, there's a difference)
The current living Senator Kennedy, from Louisiana, who reminds me of Mr. Haney from "Green Acres" (You remember, the guy who was always fleecing Eddie Albert, "But Meester Douglas, without Aluminum Siding, your Brick house will erode much faster!")
Jeez-Us, most Amuricans speak with some type of "Accent" it's how foreigners recognize us when we travel.
Except for Military Kids, like me, no matter where I go, its
"Yew ain't from around here, are ya?"
Frink
Prof. Kerr,
As always, it is a pleasure when you bother to post here. I can't fault your analysis as a descriptive matter.
Of course, it did remind me of that time (....some time ago) when I first learned of Lyons in law school during my 1L year, and the combination of two thoughts I had-
1. I understand it.
2. Still, really?
It's one of those opinions (like Whren) that stuck with me.
Anyway, appreciate the writeup.
I explained Lyons to someone recently, and their response was "Either you're describing it badly or that's really stupid."
As you probably recall, I am generally a fan of strict standing requirements. But Lyons always struck me as rather at the outer edge of that.
The court ruled that Lyons needed to plead and prove that the LAPD had a policy of always applying a chokehold to every single person they stopped. That standard is reflected in Kerr's (100 - X) analysis, so he seems to be accurately describing precedent.
It's reminiscent of the one drop rule. All the government needs to establish is that they obeyed the constitution in one arrest out of the millions and they are absolved.
"Stupid" sounds apt.
As Ilya Somin writes about this case:
"But, as Sotomayor notes, ICE has a systematic policy of racial and ethnic profiling that it seeks to continue on a large scale, at least in the LA area at issue in this case. That makes the situation fundamentally different from Lyons, where the court found there was no evidence that LA police had a systematic policy of using illegal chokeholds."
That makes sense to me: the existence of a policy of profiling distinguishes this case from the chokeholds in Lyons.
I'm curious what Professor Kerr thinks of this.
My understanding of Lyons is different than that. From Byron White's opinion:
i.e. in order to obtain an injunction under Lyons, the plaintiff would have to plead and prove that the behavior was engaged in 100% of the time, which of course is an impossibly high bar.
Even proving a "systematic policy" would not be enough, as long as they arrest the occasional white guy they are immune from an injunction. At least that's my reading. IANAL.