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Justice Gorsuch's majority opinion in Grants Pass leaned heavily on cert-stage and merit-stage amicus briefs from progressive jurisdictions.
I've written two other posts about Grants Pass v. Johnson. First, I commented on whether the law in fact criminalizes the mere status of being homeless, or whether it criminalizes the act of camping in public. Second, I wrote how the Court constrained Robinson v. California, an inherently un-originalist precedent, by declining to extend it.
Here, I will comment on another unusual aspect of the majority opinion: how heavily the majority opinion leaned into amicus briefs. Indeed, Justice Gorsuch's majority opinion cited not only merit-stage briefs, but also cert-stage briefs. The import was clear: even deep-blue jurisdictions from California and similar bastions of leftism contend that the Ninth Circuit's jurisprudence is mistaken. They urged the Court to take the case, and urged the Court to reverse! The majority was quite content to answer the prayer from these progressive enclaves.
Here are just a smattering of citations:
We are told, for example, that the "exponential increase in . . . encampments in recent years has resulted in an increase in crimes both against the homelessband by the homeless." Brief for California State Sheriffs' Associations et al. as Amici Curiae 21 (California SheriffsBrief ). California's Governor reports that encampment inhabitants face heightened risks of "sexual assault" and "subjugation to sex work." Brief for California Governor G. Newsom as Amicus Curiae 11 (California Governor Brief ).And by one estimate, more than 40 percent of the shootings in Seattle in early 2022 were linked to homeless encampments. Brief for Washington State Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs as Amicus Curiae on Pet. for Cert. 10 (Washington Sheriffs Brief ).
Nor do problems like these affect everyone equally. Often, encampments are found in a city's "poorest and most vulnerable neighborhoods." Brief for City and County of San Francisco et al. as Amici Curiae on Pet. for Cert. 5 (SanFrancisco Cert. Brief ); see also 2020 HUD Report 9.
Officials in Portland, Oregon, indicate that, between April 2022 and January 2024, over 70 percent of their approximately 3,500 offers of shelter beds to homeless individuals were declined. Brief for League of Oregon Cities et al. as Amici Curiae 5 (Oregon Cities Brief ). Other cities tell us that "the vast majority of their homeless populations are not actively seeking shelter and refuse all services." Brief for Thirteen California Cities as Amici Curiae
3. Surveys cited by the Department of Justice suggest that only "25–41 percent" of "homeless encampment residents""willingly" accept offers of shelter beds.
Consider San Francisco, where each night thousands sleep "in tents and other makeshift structures." Brief for City and County of San Francisco et al. as Amici Curiae 8 (San Francisco Brief ).
Justice Gorsuch relied on the "diverse" range of briefs:
If the multitude of amicus briefs before us proves one thing, it is that the American people are still at it. Through their voluntary associations and charities, their elected representatives and appointed officials, their police officers and mental health professionals, they display that same energy and skill today in their efforts to address the complexities of the homelessness challenge facing the most vulnerable among us.
The Court even cited all of the petitions filed in support of certiorari. I can't recall ever seeing a listing of cert-stage briefs.
Grants Pass filed a petition for certiorari. A large number of States, cities, and counties from across the Ninth Circuit and the country joined Grants Pass in urging the Court to grant review to assess the Martin experiment. See Part I–B, supra. We agreed to do so. 601 U. S. ___ (2024).3
3Supporters of Grants Pass's petition for certiorari included: The cities of Albuquerque, Anchorage, Chico, Chino, Colorado Springs, Fillmore, Garden Grove, Glendora, Henderson, Honolulu, Huntington Beach, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, Murrieta, Newport Beach, Orange, Phoenix, Placentia, Portland, Providence, Redondo Beach, Roseville, Saint Paul, San Clemente, San Diego, San Francisco, San Juan Capistrano, Seattle, Spokane, Tacoma, and Westminster; the National League of Cities, representing more than 19,000 American cities and towns; the League of California Cities, representing 477 California cities; the League of Oregon Cities, representing Oregon's 241 cities; the Association of Idaho Cities, representing Idaho's 199 cities; the League of Arizona Cities and Towns, representing all 91 incorporated Arizona municipalities; the North Dakota League of Cities, comprising 355 cities; the Counties of Honolulu, San Bernardino, San Francisco, and Orange; the National Association of Counties, which represents the Nation's 3,069counties; the California State Association of Counties, representing California's 58 counties; the Special Districts Association of Oregon, representing all of Oregon's special districts; the Washington State Association of Municipal Attorneys, a nonprofit corporation comprising attorneys representing Washington's 281 cities and towns; the International Municipal Lawyers Association, the largest association of attorneys representing municipalities, counties, and special districts across the country; the District Attorneys of Sacramento and San Diego Counties, the California State Sheriffs' Association, the California Police Chiefs Association, and the Washington State Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs; California Governor Gavin Newsom and San Francisco Mayor London Breed; and a group of 20 States: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Virginia, and West Virginia.
Justice Sotomayor's dissent charges that the majority only cited favorable amicus brief:
The majority cites various amicus briefs to amplifyGrants Pass's belief that its homelessness crisis is intractable absent the ability to criminalize homelessness. In so doing, the majority chooses to see only what it wants. Many of those stakeholders support the narrow rule in Martin. See, e.g., Brief for City and County of San Francisco et al.
Justice Gorsuch replied that the overwhelming majority of briefs support the majority:
7The dissent suggests we cite selectively to the amici and "see only what [we] wan[t]" in their briefs. Post, at 24. In fact, all the States, cities, and counties listed above (n. 3, supra) asked us to review this case. Among them all, the dissent purports to identify just two public officials and two cities that, according to the dissent, support its view. Post, at 24–25. But even among that select group, the dissent overlooks the fact that each expresses strong dissatisfaction with how Martin has been applied in practice. See San Francisco Brief 15, 26 ("[T]he Ninth Circuit and its lower courts have repeatedly misapplied and overextended theEighth Amendment" and "hamstrung San Francisco's balanced approachto addressing the homelessness crisis"); Brief for City of Los Angeles as Amicus Curiae 6 ("[T]he sweeping rationale in Martin . . . calls into question whether cities can enforce public health and safety laws"); CaliforniaGovernor Brief 3 ("In the wake of Martin, lower courts have blocked efforts to clear encampments while micromanaging what qualifies as a suitable offer of shelter"). And for all the reasons we have explored and so many other cities have suggested, we see no principled basis underthe Eighth Amendment for federal judges to administer anything like Martin.
When the Ninth Circuit is to the left of San Francisco, there is a problem.
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" When the Ninth Circuit is to the left of San Francisco, there is a problem."
When a court relies on originalism (in whatever form its proponent prefers at the moment), there is a problem . . . but no problem replacement (in the natural course) and enlargement (of the Court, and perhaps of the House of Representatives and the Senate) will not likely solve.
How many years has it been since you started predicting the bigger, better SCOTUS was imminent, brushing off replies that your confidence was misplaced? Can you admit now that you were wrong, without changing the subject back to the inevitable great clinger demise? Because what I see is the most regressive, authoritarian president in decades, maybe ever, about to retake the White House and with it maybe the chance to shift the court even further right. I’d love to hear some suggestions grounded in reality about how to prevent that, if it’s even possible, not more baseless, hopeless wishcasting.
I expect Democrats to expand the Court when they have the votes to do it. If you disagree, you must be speaking with different Democrats — not just different individuals, but far different in nature — from the Democrats with whom I speak.
Better Americans have been prevailing in the culture war for more than 50 years. I also expect that to continue. If you see conservative preferences — childish fucking superstition, multifaceted bigotry, rural life, even more bigotry, belligerent ignorance — making comebacks in America I question your perceptions and judgment.
Donald Fucking Trump is probably about to be elected president. What planet are you living on?
And you evaded the question. You started predicting imminent court expansion years ago. Can you at least acknowledge how wrong you were, and maybe extrapolate from that that your certainty going forward would benefit from a little humility?
It wasn’t just one or two holdout senators who didn’t wnat court expansion. Biden didn’t. Not only did he create a commission to study it - a classic action when government officials don’t want something done - he packed the commission with opponents, and they came out against it.
That should have signalled that court expansion just wasn’t a step the current Democratic Party leadership was prepared to take. After all, virtually everybody grew up thinking that if Roosevelt had succeeded, the Court would have been destroyed as an effective institution.
Whether the Democratic leadership was right or wrong on this, you need to acknowledge the reality that this is what happened.
Blue states and communities will have to practice a sort of resistance akin to done for Brown v. Bd in the South but not in the promotion of segregation, but more benign things.
[This is the scenario if Trump wins again but at this point probably not only then. I'm not honoring this as a good situation. It's a sign of desperation like the Jane collective performing abortions before Roe, which I forsee being a thing now again in some places.]
Legislatures will have to pass laws that clash with court decisions and local communities will have to hold firm. Islands of sanity would have to form.
When Democrats and other reasonable people have power, they have to be pushed to do what they can to push back, not just people like Sheldon Whitehouse.
I think we are nearing a tipping point so if the Dems just control the House, they will do something like that. For instance, hold hearings to expose the courts, and withhold funding unless some limited things are done. Unlike “for years,” after Dobbs et. al. things are worse now. The respect for SCOTUS has plummeted.
See, e.g., Taking Back the Constitution: Activist Judges and The Next Age of American Law by Mark Tushnet. (later chapters)
We love the Rule of Law!
If you want to recruit ordinary people for Trump, run a collection of Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland quotes by them.
If a homeless person can camp in the park, but I cannot, isn't that inequality or something? Wouldn't the response, "but he is homeless. You can, too, if you turn homeless" be like saying gay and straight people both have the same right to marry the opposite sex?
Can't people be free?
Yeah, I think Martin v. Boise was wrong. An opinion that simply struck down anti-camping laws for everybody would still have been wrong, but at least it would have been less wrong, because it would not have created a two tier system of justice.
As a practical matter, it was also impossible to enforce. Somebody camping in the park on a whim looks... pretty much the same as someone doing so because they're supposedly involuntary homeless. Even if you confirmed somebody was homeless last week, that still doesn't really help; they could have acquired a house since then. Imagine being a beat cop trying to figure out who has magical immunity to the law because they're homeless, good luck with that. There's a reason even very lefty cities asked the court to strike this nonsense down.
Obviously not, and it's a stupid thing to say. The relevant status is whether there is shelter available to you. This looks at the state of the world, not some characteristic of you. Similarly, the government can offer benefits to disaster victims without offering you the same benefits. It's a ridiculous, trollish argument.
But it’s an aegument that’s had a remarkable success rate. Don’t like obscenity laws? Argue nobody can really tell what’s obscene and what isn’t. In general, if you don’t like a law, the argument that nobody can really tell whether it’s been violated or not has had a remarkable success rate.
As Justice Holmes once said, even day and night have no definite boundary, only shades of gray.
It's had a zero percent success rate. No law has been struck down by a federal court for discriminating against the non-homeless in the history of this republic.
As far as I'm aware, obscenity laws haven't been successfully challenged on the basis that they unconstitutionally discriminate on any basis, so I'm not sure what your point is with that.
As I interpreted the comment, he’s arguing vagueness – an exemption for homeless people would be unconstitutionally vague because you can’t tell who’s homeless and who isn’t, so the distinction isn’t workable. Vagueness arguments have had a significant success rate. Opponents of laws have frequently argued, with considerable success, that they make unworkable distinctions.
And I think it is far from a frivolous argument. The Supreme Court struck down vagrancy laws in Papichristou v. City of Jacksonville for vagueness because they said it’s impossible in practice to tell who is a vagrant and who isn’t. I think it’s a pretty obvious argument to make, and certainly not a frivolous one, that “vagrants” and “homeless” are quite similar and the same reasoning should apply.
Yes, the original case was favorable to the homeless. But it is not especially uncommon for decisions originally written as shields to be turned into swords by opponents.
So it could be argued that a law that singles out “homeless” people to grant them an exemption is just as unconstitutionally vague as the law that singled out “vagrants” to punish them which the Supreme Court struck down half a century ago.
I don’t think the argument should win. But it’s not frivolous.
Then you interpreted it completely wrong. It's not at all vague, and that's not what he's saying. What he's saying is that a cop on the beat doesn't have the necessary information.
That banned things like "wandering or strolling around from place to place without any lawful purpose or object." That is vague. Being homeless, in contrast, is objective and easy to adjudicate. (But again: not by a beat cop, who can't know whether a person he encounters has an available alternative place to sleep.)
"Vagrant" did not mean "homeless" in the context of Papichristou. Rather, the statute defined a whole lot of different activities — much much much much broader and often vaguer than being homeless — to constitute vagrancy, and made them all illegal. And none of the eight defendants who took Papichristou to SCOTUS had been arrested for being homeless.
The point of this post is that on occasion, and maybe more than we’d like to admit, that left and right are in alignment about an issue? Or that everyone agrees that homelessness is less than ideal and poses threats to the homeless and society in general? So what?
We aren't in alignment about what the solution is. Take this report from LA as an example:
"While some are celebrating a new tool in the fight against homelessness in L.A., others are bemoaning the cost: about $600,000 per unit. While that figure may be eye-popping, it's below the price of $837,000 for some units, as reported by the Los Angeles Times."
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/dtla-homeless-housing-tower-cost-600k-per-unit-to-build/
What is hardly compassionate is letting people live their drug alcohol and mental illness damaged lives out on the street.
My son had a good friend dating back to middle school who ended up meth addicted and mentally ill on the street in Seattle. He really only had two resources, when he'd show up at our house and my son would let him shower and clean up and get something to eat, and once in a while spend the night before heading out again, but that was just a bandaid.
The only time he actually got any real help was when he'd get arrested for shop lifting at nNordstoms or Macys and they'd hold him in the county jail for a few weeks, get him detoxed, cleaned up, clothed. This would happen every 2-3 months, Then standard procedure was when he was arrested they'd send him to a mental facility for the max they could which was 2 or 3 weeks to get him stabilized on meds, and then back to jail to await trial to be released back out on the streets.
My son tracked down his family (his mother was local, but had a restraining order and a retarded younger son to care for), his father and twin brother lived in Portland, so I put up bus fare and 20$ pocket money, and we got him down to his family.
A week later he came back by my house in the Seattle suburbs, he was only in Portland 2 or 3 days. He was at a cousins house, started acting manic, the police were called, Seattle had a warrant out for a missed court date so they shipped him back up to Seattle, took him to court and then let him back out on the street.
I'm not sure what the solution is, but letting people live drug addicted and mentally ill on the streets isn't compassionate. And they don't want to live in shelters, and providing them with housing might work if it was made of concrete and you could hose it out and disinfect it periodica
I don’t know what would achieve the best outcomes for the most homeless people, or even a meaningful fraction of them. If I had to guess, it might be forced medication and/or institutionalization, both of which are non-starters for obvious and good reasons. Providing safe, clean housing would seem to be a minimally humane starting point, but I don’t pretend to know the cost. I just assume it would be politically prohibitive, and it still wouldn’t address the mental illness and addiction problems.
So I don’t have any answers. I just don’t know. It’s a heartbreaking problem. It literally hurts my heart every time I see a homeless person, which living in Santa Monica, is pretty much every second I’m out of the house. IMO not enough people are heartbroken enough by it to nudge us toward even the most rudimentary band-aid solutions.
So again, short of making us all better people, I just don’t have any answers. But the one thing I feel with near certainty is that criminalizing the mere condition of homelessness, which is what these anti-camping laws effectively do, is inhumanly cruel. It does and should shame every one of us who believes a society should stand for the most basic compassion and human decency. If the impetus for these laws is that they're the only way to get homeless people fed, detoxed and off the streets for a few days, that's a commendable motive. But there has to be a better way than criminalizing people for their pain and victimhood.
The really great thing about the decision is that the Homeless Problem has now been solved!
See, homelessness is now illegal. That's right, like the drug problem we have eliminated homelessness because it is against the law. In fact by making it illegal it is self solving. A homeless person is simply arrested, put in jail where they get food, clothing and shelter, which is what we call a home. Problem solved!
What if they are not arrested? Even better, then they just don't exist. They cannot be homeless because that is illegal. Wow what a wise and benevolent Court.
Believe it or not, that solution actually works. Go to countries that have much lower standards of living than the US, where homelessness is illegal, and you don't have giant encampments of people living feral lives.
Its not a complete solution, we need mental illness and drug treatment programs for people to go to, and structured living facilities to translation people out of homeless, but its a better solution than letting people turn our streets into garbage dumps and toilets.
Go to countries that have much lower standards of living than the US, where homelessness is illegal, and you don’t have giant encampments of people living feral lives.
Where did they go? It's a miracle!
It certainly isn't the best possible solution, but what we've done is picked the absolute worst solution, and the said: that's the best we can do.
Come now, this is not the worst possible solution. I can think of many worse ways to deal with the homeless than our current state-by-state patchwork.
If they can shape up and fly right, then they're fine. If they can't or won't, then putting them in minimum security incarceration is looking like a pretty attractive option. Minimum security is something like $22,000/year/head. It saves the taxpayer money or at least costs about the same and this way the public parks/streets aren't pillaged and it helps the homeless by putting them in a more structured environment where they can focus on rehabilitation.
"Are there no prisons?"
"Plenty of prisons..."
"And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
"Both very busy, sir..."
"Those who are badly off must go there."
"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
—Dickens, natch
Yeah, there's always internet geniuses to copy/paste the same few quotes that they think proves their point. So we must allow our commons to be pillaged by grifters because Dickens wrote an unrelated quote in a completely different context, got it.
Paternalism-via-prisons is pretty monstrous. But you also said in another thread you think a lot of homeless are lazy and grifting off the state.
With no source.
So you're already well down the dehumanization trail.
It is so easy to criticize. Tell us your solution.
I can call out something as bad without needing a perfect policy alternative.
This remains one of your dumber lines of attack - that no one can point out something is bad without having something good to offer as well.
If you've ever been involved in peer review, you should know better.
I don't have to be able to solve a vexxing problem to know the answer isn't to listen to Mr. If The Cheapest Way To Get Our Parks Back is to Throw Homeless People In Prison, Let's Do That.
Nobody's dehumanizing anybody-- animals don't grift in the way humans do, so to call a person a grifter is implicitly a recognition of their humanity. Anyway, I'll give it the pepsi challenge. I guarantee you that cities that vigorously enforce anti-camping laws will have fewer homeless than those that don't. With Grants Pass now on the books, different jurisdictions will adopt different approaches and we can see what happens.
One notable thing for me about the opinion is it spends a lot of time talking about other things before getting around to actually covering the case at hand.
I'm rather strongly disposed to agree with the outcome of this case, and I think the 9th Circuit was pretty clearly wrong in the Martin v. Boise case, which led to this whole tangle.
However, the portions of the opinions that Blackman cites here make me uncomfortable. It looks as though Gorsuch is going far beyond the court's legitimate function of interpreting the Constitution and the laws, and getting into matters of policy that should be the rightful province of legislative bodies. At least from these excerpts, the Court appears to be saying "Various jurisdictions haven't been able to make progress against the homeless problem under the constraints of Martin, so Martin must go."
If Martin's Eighth Amendment argument was correct, then it doesn't matter how badly it handicaps law enforcement and social services. And if that argument was incorrect, then municipalities and states should be free to pass laws such as Grant's Pass's, whether or not those laws accomplish anything useful in dealing with the homeless problem.
"even deep-blue jurisdictions from California and similar bastions of leftism contend that the Ninth Circuit's jurisprudence is mistaken"
Allow me to clear up a fundamental error in thinking. Jurisdictions don't file amicus briefs, take legal positions, or have opinions. People do. Geography doesn't dictate their individual politics. When we describe an area as liberal or conservative, there isn't a law of physics forcing people who live there to ascribe to those beliefs. It's not in any way surprising or notable that there are conservatives in a liberal state.
This is silly. Jurisdictions file amicus briefs through their elected representatives. Many jurisdictions with very blue voters asked for Martin v. Boise to strike it down. It's not the conservatives in liberal states who are sneakily sending in briefs on behalf of the state. This is understood in every other context-- if I say, "Chicago pays teachers $xx/year" nobody bounces back with "actually, people ultimately write the paychecks." Come on.
Chicago paying teachers isn't an expression of opinion. If you said, "Chicago thinks teachers are paid too little," I'd think you were an idiot. I mean, I do anyway. Jurisdictions don't have elected representatives: People do. Those representatives may file amicus briefs for their constituents, but not for a jurisdiction.
You're the idiot in this equation because you don't understand synecdoche and you're drawing distinctions where none exist. The amicus for SF is literally styled "BRIEF FOR AMICI CURIAE CITY AND COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO AND MAYOR BREED IN SUPPORT OF PETITIONER " https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-175/280445/20230925181510233_Brief.pdf
"Oh, well, golly gee whiz, that's really just for the voters IN San Francisco" is a position nobody but you takes. Yes, of course, everybody understands that it's really the aggregated preferences of the voters of San Francisco, not an geographical area.
I think it would be pretty notable if the mayor of San Francisco was a conservative. I certainly think it would come as a surprise to her!
A fundamental question is government's obligation to the citizen.
When all is dependent on land ownership, or the means to rent, backed by law, the landless, or rent less, must continually be on the move or face the law which can force otherwise into incarceration - a poor choice for the poor. There may be local private support systems in some areas to assist the landless, however. But, even so, such is temporary or inadequate.
The fundamental question pertains internationally too. Governments have claimed all available land in the World. There is no free land available to go to. Claims by governments have been and remain arbitrary in some cases to seizing land by force. See South China Sea.
Migrations of people in solving their conditions is largely gone, yet the Earth continues to see more births on a finite planet. Rules / laws lock in stagnation for a finite area when that population does not remain stable in numbers. Stagnation is unnatural.
So, by having law / government there's an obligation to the People for which there is no rational answer, because there's no rationality in having government / law, because people are not stagnant beings, nor are the other animals either. Life wants to live, grow, and survive. And, to do those things requires a likewise living / expanding amount of places to do so.
Therefore, remaining on this planet, with law / government, is and remains unnatural, unhealthy no matter the solution devised by law / government. Likewise, local efforts to prohibit persons from living absent having land is unnatural and unhealthy and irrational.