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A Flawed "Popular Constitutionalist" Rationale for Disobeying Supreme Court Decisions
Harvard law Prof. Mark Tushnet and political scientist Aaron Belkin urge President Biden to disobey "gravely mistaken" Supreme Court rulings. Doing so would set a dangerous precedent likely to be abused by the right, as well as the left.

In an open letter to the Biden Administration, Harvard law professor Mark Tushnet and University of San Francisco political scientist Aaron Belkin urge President Biden to disobey "high-stakes" "MAGA" Supreme Court rulings he considers to be seriously wrong:
We have worked diligently over the past five years to advocate Supreme Court expansion as a necessary strategy for restoring democracy. Although we continue to support expansion, the threat that MAGA justices pose is so extreme that reforms that do not require Congressional approval are needed at this time, and advocates and experts should encourage President Biden to take immediate action to limit the damage.
The central tenet of the solution that we recommend—Popular Constitutionalism—is that courts do not exercise exclusive authority over constitutional meaning. In practice, a President who disagrees with a court's interpretation of the Constitution should offer and then follow an alternative interpretation. If voters disagree with the President's interpretation, they can express their views at the ballot box.
We urge President Biden to restrain MAGA justices immediately by announcing that if and when they issue rulings that are based on gravely mistaken interpretations of the Constitution that undermine our most fundamental commitments, the Administration will be guided by its own constitutional interpretations….
We do not believe that President Biden should simply ignore every MAGA ruling. The President should act when MAGA justices issue high-stakes rulings that are based on gravely mistaken constitutional interpretations, and when presidential action predicated on his administration's constitutional interpretations would substantially mitigate the damage posed by the ruling in question.
Such actions could help contain the grave threat posed by MAGA justices. For example, President Biden could declare that the Court's recent decision in the affirmative action cases applies only to selective institutions of higher education and that the Administration will continue to pursue affirmative action in every other context vigorously because it believes that the Court's interpretation of the Constitution is egregiously wrong….
As Nikolas Bowie has demonstrated, treating the Supreme Court as the sole source of constitutional interpretations is antithetical to American democracy, as the Supreme Court has spent most of its history wielding "an antidemocratic influence on American law, one that has undermined federal attempts to eliminate hierarchies of race, wealth, and status." In this particular historical moment, MAGA justices pose a grave threat to our most fundamental commitments because they rule consistently to undermine democracy and to curtail fundamental rights, and because many of their rulings are based on misleading and untrue claims.
Much of the commentary on the Tushnet-Belkin letter focuses on the passage urging Biden to (in most contexts) ignore the Supreme Court's recent ruling against the use of racial preferences. Critics point out that the affirmative action decision is actually highly popular, with 52% of Americans supporting it and only 32% opposed. Other surveys find even broader opposition to affirmative action.
Traditionally, popular constitutionalist theory holds that social movements that win broad public support should be empowered to influence and control constitutional interpretation. Longstanding widespread public opposition to racial preferences fits that bill. If Biden were to take Tushnet and Belkin's advice on this particular point, he would actually be promoting an unpopular position held by some political elites at the expense of that supported by a large majority of the public.
I should emphasize that I myself am not a popular constitutionalist. Thus, I do not claim that the popularity of the Court's ruling against affirmative action proves the decision was correct. But consistent popular constitutionalists should welcome this particular result. It's a case where the Court enabled a large popular majority to prevail over the entrenched resistance of elites.
In any event, the flaws in Tushnet and Belkin's argument go far beyond their take on this particular ruling. The course of action they advocate would effectively destroy judicial review. While they urge Biden to disobey Supreme Court decisions only when it comes to "high-stakes rulings that are based on gravely mistaken constitutional interpretations," political partisans will predictably make such claims about every decision they strongly disapprove of. And if one president successfully gets away with defying court decisions, he and his successors are likely to use this tactic whenever they think it politically advantageous to do so. The net effect will be the gutting of judicial review, at least on issues important to the party in power.
Even if you trust Biden to scrupulously differentiate "high-stakes" cases from ordinary ones, and "grave" errors from normal mistakes, I suspect you do not have similar confidence in Donald Trump, or whoever the next GOP president might be.
Tushnet and Belkin acknowledge that their proposal is not "risk-free," because "future GOP administrations would cite it as precedent for ignoring federal courts." But they then minimize this danger because "Republican presidents might well ignore federal courts regardless of what President Biden does," citing the GOP's "failure to hold President Trump accountable for inciting a violent coup."
It is certainly true that Trump - and possibly other future GOP presidents - might use these types of tactics. But they are far more likely to get away with it if Biden sets a precedent for how it can be done. It's worth noting that Trump ultimately failed in his efforts to circumvent court decisions holding that he lost the 2020 election. That's in part because of the continuing strength of the norm against such defiance. If a Democratic president successfully undermines that norm, Trump (or another right-wing authoritarian) can follow the same playbook.
Standard slippery-slope concerns about court-packing apply here, as well. Indeed, executive defiance of court rulings is an even slipperier slope than court-packing because it can be undertaken by the president alone, without the need for new legislation enacted by both houses of Congress. That makes it an even more attractive tool for a would-be strongman.
Undermining judicial review is a standard tactic of incipient illiberal authoritarians, who seek to concentrate power in the executive. American progressives readily see this when it comes to countries like Russia, Turkey, Hungary, and - most recently - Israel. The point applies here at home, too. If you think Trump and other Republicans pose a grave danger to liberal democracy, you should be wary of dismantling one of the major institutions standing in their way. Imagine, for example, if Trump had been able to successfully resist judicial rulings against his efforts to overturn the 2020 election.
Tushnet and Belkin's references to "MAGA justices" are presumably meant to associate the Supreme Court with Donald Trump's illiberal and anti-democratic tendencies. The MAGA turn has indeed shifted the GOP on major issues, such as immigration, trade, government spending, and others. These changes are among the reasons why I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Biden in 2020, despite many reservations about the Democratic Party. And Trump has attacked basic liberal democratic norms far more than any other modern president.
But there is little, if any, distinctive "MAGA" or Trumpist element to the recent Supreme Court rulings that most incense progressives. Abortion, affirmative action, gun rights, the powers of administrative agencies, and conflicts between free speech and antidiscrimination law have been points of contention between left and right for many years.
When more distinctively MAGA claims have come before the Supreme Supreme Court, the justices (and conservative lower court judges) have largely rejected them. For example, the Court recently decisively repudiated the "independent state legislature" theory, which Trumpists advanced as a tool to enable Republican state legislatures to reverse election results they oppose. Conservative judges, including at the Supreme Court, have mostly been skeptical of new state laws trying to force social media providers to platform right-wing speakers they would prefer to exclude. The Supreme Court has twice turned back red states efforts to force Biden to crack down on immigration. In 2018, all five conservative justices then on the Court backed a key federalism decision whose predictable (and predicted) main effect has been to protect immigration sanctuary jurisdictions. Perhaps most important, conservative judges on both lower courts and the Supreme Court rejected Trump's efforts to overturn the result of the 2020 election.
The conservative justices did vote to uphold Trump's anti-Muslim travel ban, a terrible ruling I have severely criticized. But even that decision was not simply a radical Trumpist departure from previous doctrine. It built on longstanding, though badly flawed, precedents applying lower scrutiny to immigration restrictions than other exercises of government power that might violate constitutional rights.
The Tushnet-Belkin theory, therefore, is not confined to distinctively MAGA rulings. It implies that presidents should be able to ignore a wide range of right-of-center judicial decisions, including those rooted in longstanding mainstream constitutional theories. And, obviously, presidents with a right-wing ideological orientation can use similar reasoning to justify defying even the most mainstream left-wing judicial decisions.
Finally, it's worth noting that many left-wing objections to recent Supreme Court decisions - most notably when it comes to abortion and the travel ban case - are about situations where the Court refused to enforce rights against the political branches. If the institution of judicial review is preserved, these rulings could well be overturned or at least narrowed by future, more liberal, courts. But if that institution is destroyed, then these rights - and every other right - will be forever left to the mercy of the political process, including any right-wing populists who might occupy the White House and other positions of power in the future. They will be more than happy to cite "popular constitutionalism" as a justification for whatever they do.
If you believe destroying judicial review is a feature rather than a bug, then the Tushnet-Belkin proposal is as good a way to do it as any (assuming the president who implements it gets away with it). Tushnet himself is a longtime advocate of "taking the Constitution away from the courts," and deserves credit for consistency. But we should not be under any illusion that the course of action he and Belkin recommend can be just a limited response to a subset of particularly egregious Supreme Court decisions.
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Ignore conservative and enforce leftist decisions is basically want he means.
That's the only real democracy - Democrats in charge!
The Supreme Court is SUPPOSED to be anti-democratic, just as the composition of the Senate is. What is absurd is that putatively educated people fail to understand this.
Yes. These people threw a fit when Kim Davis declined to give "marriage" licenses to men whose idea of "love" and "consummation" was barebacking each other ands spreading HIV.
This brand of so-called "popular constitutionalism" is so badly and obviously flawed and moronic that no decent or halfway bright person should give it 2 seconds' worth of consideration.
"no decent or halfway bright person" in other words not anyone on the political left at this point.
What about a case like Zadvydas v. Davis--a case that is so egregiously wrong--why would a President who is more loyal to the interests of the polity than some alien criminal follow that case. Basically, the case says that if a home country won't take a criminal back, the alien criminal must be released into our streets. Nonsense. Obviously, who should bear the risk of a home country not taking back its citizen criminals? Not society.
Let's see:
1. Destroys judicial review.
2. Grants the President enormous powers, without any obvious constraint.
3. Is unlikely to be limited to egregiously wrong decisions.
So, maybe a bad idea?
I mean you know that republican presidents are going to throw this in their faces, right?
Not if Democrats keep their advantage in election fortification and consequenceless rulebreaking.
That's what a lot of people going on about "tit for tat" don't get: The Democrats aren't concerned about what Republicans will do when they return to power, because they don't intend that Republicans ever return to power.
To date they haven't been successful in making sure it doesn't happen, but that hasn't changed their approach. They keep operating on the assumption that at some point they're going to take control of the government, and never, ever lose that control again.
[Dems] don’t intend that Republicans ever return to power.
More telepathy!
You continue to describe "not forgetting what people say" as "telepathy".
Does the term "inevitable demographic transition" ring a bell?
How 2020 Killed Off Democrats’ Demographic Hopes
"For years, the Democratic Party has operated under one immutable assumption: Long-term demographic trends would give the party something like a permanent majority as the country as a whole grows less white and more urban. President Donald Trump’s reliance on the politics of racial resentment would only quicken the process, solidifying support for Democrats among people of color."
Democrats really did think, for a long while, that changes to American demographics were going to hand them long term control of government.
When that failed, they switched to a strategy based on changing election rules...
Anyway, back to Tushnet. This quote from my link really says it all: "The things that liberals want — or that the left wants — some of them are very popular and some aren’t, and I think we have to be honest with ourselves about which is which."
Tushnet has never been that honest about it. He's absolutely convinced that if the left wants it, it's popular. Hence "popular constitutionalism" has to be left-wing constitutionalism!
Democrats really did think, for a long while, that changes to American demographics were going to hand them long term control of government.
When that failed, they switched to a strategy based on changing election rules…
You see what you want to see. You have liberals, conservatives, moderates, telling you how wrong you are.
Anyway, back to Tushnet.
No.
No Tushnet because he feeds your narrative so you want to think about him always. I am not surprised you've been following him for a while.
Hey, Sarcastr0: How dare I think the Michigan electors were relying on legal counsel!
Here Is Why Trump's 'Contingent' Electors Say They Did Nothing Illegal
Oops, actually they were doing exactly that!
You not only said they were relying on counsel, you specified that the counsel was relying on a 1960s out of state precedent in the advice they gave.
And that's what the linked to article says, if you didn't notice.
Do you not remember the impassioned speech that Mitch McConnell gave as minority leader, begging Harry Reid not to nuke the judicial filibuster? Because I do. That’s why I’m enjoying the fruits of that with this campaign to undermine the legitimacy of the Supreme Court right now, in the wake of decisions the left doesn't like. There’s a straight line between these 2 points. That’s exactly why this conversation is happening now.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. It’s also why, considering the future, Mitch McConnell refused Trump’s demands to eliminate the filibuster entirely when it was stopping Republican priorities when they controlled both Congress and the White House during Trump’s first 2 years.
I don’t need telepathy.
Might have been a little principle there, but the main reason McConnell didn't want to nuke the filibuster was that his majority was dependent on a handful of RINOs who'd have been exposed if they had to vote on a lot of the bills the House was sending over. The filibuster allowed them to pretend that they'd have voted conservatively, if only they'd had the chance.
The Senate makes its own rules, by a simple majority.
Consequently, despite the melodramatic phrasing ("nuclear option!"), if either party had really wanted to re-instate the old rules when it next achieved a majority, it would have done so.
The fact is, neither party wanted the old rules; they were just terrified of being the first party to dump them.
Import 20 million more semi-retarded mestizos from Latin America and "refugee" Africans, give them a fast track to citizenship and voting, promise them free shit, and voila, permanent electoral control.
Something happens to Senescent Joe and Common-Law Harris and there will be a Repubiclown President McCarthy.
Not saying I want something to happen to them, certainly don't know if something is going to happen, just saying that's all it would take.
Frank
Bernard11...Yes, bad idea. We agree.
Also:
Conservatives: You mean we wasted 50 years playing the game and slowly increasing our control, when we could have just disobeyed?
Nothing like being so God damned right you just forge ahead, democracy and constitutions be damned!
Isn't "other branches can also declare things constitutional or not" already a thing claimed by conservatives because the court gets in their way?
I guess whoever gathered the biggest head of steam among people outside a voting election is the way to go.
Adolf Hitler, Stalin, etc al.: Now you're talking our game!
This sort of thing looks like it's been this guy's bag for a long time.
One of the more controversial figures in constitutional theory, he is identified with the critical legal studies movement and once stated in an article that, were he asked to decide actual cases as a judge, he would seek to reach results that would "advance the cause of socialism".
An academic, through and through.
By letting the lower court decision stand in Rubin v. United States, 1998, the Court created a precedent wherein Secret Service officers can be required to testify as to what they overheard a President say. Breyer and Ginsburg pointed out in dissent the times where officers prevented assassinations while close to (and within earshot of) the President. The President will now have to leave their presence if he wants to have a confidential conversation. This puts his life in danger. Bill Clinton should have ordered Rubin to disobey those subpoenas, which were sought by Kenneth Starr, and if the Court later upheld them, disobey the Court's order.
But then you wouldn't be able to compel agents testimony about Trump's culpability about Jan 6!
If we were gonna end up here we should have just stuck with George back in the 1770s. The British one.
This idea is absolutely terrible - so bad it's not even worth debating.
When persuasion fails, feel the power of your internal righteousness and forge ahead anyway. Onward Christian, er, Socialist soldier, marching as to war!
At least some of the judicial-supremacist commenters are consistent here, adhering to their pet supremacist theory which goes back to the Federalists with the Alien and Sedition Acts and the Democrats with the Dred Scott decision.
I recall posting President Lincoln’s remark in his First Inaugural that he wouldn’t follow the Dred Scott decision as a principle of political action. He *did* say he’d obey a specific decision but wouldn’t follow the decision’s reasoning (if sufficiently bad) in doing his duties (it turned out that he wouldn’t even obey a court decision in a specific case – the case of Merryman, but let’s stick to his inaugural address when he still professed a hope for peace).
Jefferson pardoned Sedition Act victims on constitutional grounds even though this meant (gasp!) disagreeing with the judges who convicted the defendants.
Congress voted to refund judicial fines to Sedition Act victims. It also voted to refund the fine a judge imposed on Andrew Jackson for a Merryman-like situation. At least in the case of refunding the Sedition Act fines, this was done on the basis that the courts had acted unconstitutionally.
So if Biden wants to pardon people convicted under laws he deems unconstitutional, so be it. There’s no judicial supremacy over pardons. I suppose that means pardoning “doctors” convicted of violating the federal ban on partial-birth abortions. Then he could be impeached, not for violating judicial supremacy, but for thwarting the enforcement of a constitutionally-valid law (a point which the Senate should decide for itself, hopefully in favor of constitutionality).
And if Biden thinks judges imposed criminal fines under unconstitutional laws but those fines have already been paid into the treasury, he could ask Congress to grant the person a refund. And Congress can say no if it wants.
Likewise, he can veto a law he thinks unconstitutional, even if the courts said it was constitutional.
Though all this isn’t the same as disobeying specific decisions, or helping disobeyers. I suppose he doesn’t have to call out the National Guard to enforce a bad decision, but he couldn’t call out the National Guard to *thwart* the decision. And while he wouldn’t have to use the National Guard to enforce the decision as such, I think he’d have to send the marshals, and if that means riots, then the state in which the rioting occurs can demand he suppress them with the Guard if needed.
I don’t know how far “popular constitutionalism” goes, or if it’s limited to what I’ve described, so I can’t say if I agree with it.
If anyone on the right made those proposals, they would be accused of fomenting active rebellion.
Look, the defensive crouch of liberal constitutionalism isn’t just going to abandon itself.
If anyone on the right made those proposals, they would be accused of fomenting active rebellion.
The right talks about nullification all the time.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=conservative+nullify&PC=U531&cvid=217564667b3e499a950f9262ab99bb40&FORM=ANNAB1
Yea, but those people are correctly identified as morons. No one is giving Lin Wood a job teaching constitutional law at Harvard.
While not quite at the same level, many are quite well paid morons, respected in their circles.
re: nullification, the right has the left beat on quantity by a lot. I think because that's where all the wannabe Confederates and CW2 wishers have landed.
The same action can be a defense of democracy, or an act of insurrection.
It just depends on who stole the last election.
Or maybe just being aware of which election is going to be the last one.
Michael Stokes Paulsen? He's been called wrong, but never a rebel.
People on the right have been advancing departmentalism for years, whether Paulsen's excessive version, or the more modest version of Whelan, Meese, Baude, and Reagan ( and me;) ).
I largely agree. The flaw in this is assuming authoritarian extremists need Biden to go first.
They'll absolutely take the excuse if handed it, of course. But holding fire because you'll encourage extremists is not a valid reason; they don't need it.
If Don Trump somehow ends up president again, I'd bet money he'll be playing "let them enforce it" within the first 2 years. He's clearly far more unbalanced, scared and demented than he was in '16, and his brain trust is already drawing up plans for what amounts to a coronation.
The farther he goes from established norms, though, the more people will recognize it for what it is instead of business as usual.
Speaking of established norms.
In the months of June/July we saw a topless tranny orgy and crack cocaine at the White House and the President licking a poor, scared Finnish child.
M'uh Norms Have Been Restored!
Actually, it may be that they have:
https://thefederalist.com/2023/07/18/our-cultural-degeneracy-is-actually-a-return-to-normalcy/
"The flaw in this is assuming authoritarian extremists need Biden to go first."
Tushnet actually assumes the opposite: That Biden should go first because right-wingers will do it regardless of whether Biden refrains.
That's been the left-wing justification for destroying one norm after another over the last decade or two: "Republicans are obviously going to do this sooner or later, so we might as well beat them to the punch!"
Weird. The constant refrain of the right is to blame their actions on the left, to say the gloves are coming off and they're no longer going by Queensbury rules, and look what you made us do etc.
And yet it was the Democrats that first resorted to the "nuclear option" on nominations. The Democrats who for the first time in the nation's history decided that the minority didn't get to pick their own committee members.
Tushnet's "Republicans are sure to do this, so we're justified in doing it first!" approach is actually SOP for Democrats.
And why did the Dems do that, Brett?
The Republicans, crying about Bork, were going full on bad faith holds.
Who keeps bringing back the blue slip rule, and who keeps ending it to get more judges in?
I don't think Dems have clean hands, but you think your side is justified in all its escalation.
You seem to think that by answering why Democrats do something, you can contradict their having done it.
I don’t think Dems have clean hands
What do you think I meant by that?
You are deflecting. The Democrats started with Bork, but continued with Miguel Estrada and several others.
You are willing to throw out all norms to protect your pet interpretations of the Equal Protection and Due Process clauses, namely, that a woman has a right to kill her baby at 37 weeks, and that a man has a right to bareback hundreds of men to completion, and then shove his HIV drug costs onto taxpayers.
It certainly contradicts your self-serving ‘the left say they have to do it first!’ formulation.
"Bad faith".
You're acting like they just decided to do those things you're talking about in a vacuum, as if they weren't in response to unprecedented actions by Republicans. One of which was an attempted coup.
The left saying "Look... we did this because the evil GOP was going to do it eventually!" And the GOP saying in response "Look what the left actually did... again. Perhaps we should begin to respond in kind if we want a fighting chance!" are actually complimentary, not antithetical as you seem to imply.
'begin to respond in kind'
Nah, this is mostly a rejection of moral responsibility and ethical behaviour by the right using scaremongering about the left as a pretext.
So it is OK when the left does it first. And it would also be OK if the left did it in response.
But if the right ever does it under any circumstances it is always morally wrong.
Thank you for clearing that up for me Dr. Marcuse.
'So it is OK when the left does it first. And it would also be OK if the left did it in response.'
You're just saying the same thing passive agressively.
"But holding fire because you’ll encourage extremists is not a valid reason; they don’t need it."
What possible justification could the other guys' moral bankruptcy provide for your own moral bankruptcy? Whatever happened to deciding not to do something, simply because it would be wrong to do it? Radical, I know.
This professor once stated that if he were a judge, he would rule in each case according to whether the result advanced the cause of socialism.
That's all you need to know.
He practically gave his daughter a roadmap on how to rebel. She’s now a well known conservative Catholic activist.
So she did indeed rebel 🙂
I have friends who are outspoken and very liberal and political. Their son grew up to be a conservative activist. (He's as political as them, and even sounds like them, only right-wing instead of left-.) My wife and I took a lesson from that. We never spoke politics around the kids or pushed any views on them though they were aware where we stood. It worked out as we hoped!
Is his last name Turley?
God bless her.
"Undermining judicial review is a standard tactic of incipient illiberal authoritarians, who seek to concentrate power in the executive. American progressives readily see this when it comes to countries like Russia, Turkey, Hungary, and—most recently—Israel."
Oh, they understand that at home, too. But, as they're the "ncipient illiberal authoritarians", it's all good.
You think this guy speaks for America progressives?
Of course Brett thinks that.
You don't understand. In his mind the left in this country is absolutely monolithic and holds all its views unanimously. Any Democrat anywhere who says something foolish is speaking for all Democrats, and since it's obviously foolish it's not just a bad idea, but part of plot to destroy the country.
I've been reading him for years. Yeah, he does speak for a faction of the 'progressive' left.
What a useless statement.
That poster who can't stop writing in detail how much he hates gay sex speaks for a faction of the right.
HTH
The Supreme Court, like America itself, must be destroyed.
Well, Tushnet and Balkin are professors at the two top law schools in America, and Sarcastro is an anonymous blog commenter, so I think the two of are probably representative of progressive American intellectuals, and certainly influential in American progressive circles, whereas Sarcastro is probably a crackpot who speaks only for himself.
My mistake here: I thought this was Tushnet and Balkin writing. Instead it's some guy named Belkin from a third-tier university, who ranks only one notch above anonymous internet commenters in prestige and stature. But my comments about Tushnet stand.
Balkin is a lot more subtle than Tushnet; Balkin is sauntering through the institutions, trying to get things accomplished in the long run without prompting a push back, while Tushnet wants to break into a dead run, having advertised in advance when and where the race would be held.
If Tushnet meant to kill you, he would slap a gun down on the table in front of you, and boldly state, "See this gun? In a moment I'm going to pick it up and shoot you, because I know for a fact that one day you'll shoot me! Which means I'm perfectly justified in shooting you, you murderer!"
Then be shocked when, warned, you pick it up first...
Balkin is a lot more subtle than Tushnet
Unfalsifiable telepathic sekret liberal agendas again.
Then be shocked when, warned, you pick it up first…
What does this mean, Brett? What are you advocating for here?
I'm not advocating for anything here, I'm giving my impression of Tushnet after reading his blog posts for going on a decade. He's NOT a subtle guy, given to being sneaky. He comes right out and says what he wants to do, and he is utterly unconcerned about the possibility of blowback and tit for tat. Here he is on Court packing:
Court-Packing: Four Observations on a General Theory of Constitutional Change
"I conclude with a specific illustration of the foregoing comments. In the United States (and, as Daly at least suggests, elsewhere) discussion of court-packing tends to focus on the risk of repetition: If you pack the court now your adversaries will re-pack it when they get the chance. It seems obvious to me, though apparently not to many of those who make the argument, that the risk of repetition is just one of those political circumstances that go into the multifactorial analysis.
Begin with the case of the successful regime transition. If you think that you’re going to control the government for the foreseeable future – that is, that the old regime is going to be gone soon enough – you shouldn’t worry about the risk of repetition (which is, on that assumption, zero). What if you think you’re in an interregnum? You shouldn’t worry either: Maybe the interregnum will end with you taking over and the court-packing will stick; maybe it will end with your adversaries taking over, and they’ll undo the court-packing to implement their ARA (in colloquial terms, you’re going to be politically screwed anyway so why nit-pick over court-packing today?).
And finally, with respect to the United States specifically, the concern about repetition risk is plainly driven by the current condition of extreme partisan polarization – which is exactly the sort of transient political condition that counsels against treating “don’t pack the Court” as a small-c constitutional convention or norm."
I posted regarding your take on Balkin. You either missed or ignored that.
I still don't know what you mean about you picking up the gun first. What do you mean?
Picking up gun first is an analogy.
If you threaten to do something to somebody, when they're in a position to do it to you first, don't be shocked if they don't wait for you to do it.
So you will absolve the GOP of responsibility if they pack the courts or nullify opinions?
You see the asymmetry in what you are willing to allow from your side versus what you count as true from what you hear from the other side, eh?
No, I've stated before that I thought, back during the first part of Trump's time in office, that Court packing by Democrats was coming, and that Republicans should act to avert it.
By proposing a constitutional amendment to fix the size of the Court.
I did say, though, that they should announce that any refusal by the Democrats to vote for it would be taken as proof of intending to pack the Court, and thus justification preemptive defense by Republicans.
My preferred defense, though, was to just declare that enough states had asked for a constitutional convention, and then ask the convention for that amendment, among others. Democrats have a lot more to fear from a convention than Republicans, after all.
My point here is just that, once you tell somebody you're going to do something to them, don't be surprised if they take you at your word, and do it to you first.
Who does speak for America's progressives, is a much more interesting question to me.
No one does. Progressives are a fractious and disorganized lot.
So, what's the difference between, "Nobody speaks for progressives", and "Non-progressives must ignore any threats from progressives until they're actually acted upon"?
Nutpicking is what you are doing. Your threat meter is, as always, way overtuned to the left.
You want a hard and fast rule when something is mainstream or has political potential? Good luck with that. But I don't need some formula to tell you're wrong.
This is silly.
You declare that "no one" can speak for an entire political ideology, and therefore any statement from anyone from that ideology, no matter how influential, is "nutpicking". Is the entire progressive wing nothing but "nuts", all 40+ million of them?
There is no voice of progressivism.
The Democratic Party has a voice, by it's nature.
So does the GOP.
MAGA has a voice, by it's nature.
As for the rest of your objection, I already talked to it: "You want a hard and fast rule when something is mainstream or has political potential? Good luck with that. But I don’t need some formula to tell you’re wrong."
Ah, so your hard and fast rule is "Sarcastro call tell people they are wrong without evidence, but no one can point out that people in his in-group said something bad." Got it.
So, just to be clear, someone that is a Harvard Law School professor, a former Supreme Court clerk that is credited with being instrumental in Roe v Wade, closely associated with the development of critical legal theory, and identified as one of the top 10 most frequently cited law professors in 2016 - are they "influential" or "political" enough to be considered expressing the views of any non-"nut" group of people?
And the right is monolithic? That's particularly rich on a more-or-less libertarian website.
It is not, and I never said it was.
I'd say it's less fractious than the left, but there's plenty of variation on the right as well.
The judicial reform presently proposed in Israel is spot-on. The Supreme Court in Israel at present has almost no restraints on its power, including, for example, the absence of a need to show standing, and the power to strike executive or legislative actions merely based on the court's determination that those actions are not reasonable.
So being able to stop unreasonable legislative action before it has a chance to harm the citizens/society is bad to you? You appear to be telling on yourself.
Who stops unreasonable court actions? And unreasonable court actions in whose opinion?
I should add that if the people choose to create an entity with such power, it's one thing. But the Israeli Supreme Court has simply arrogated such power to itself.
That is actually a good question, but I’m damned sure Tushnet isn’t the man to answer it, when he thinks returning abortion decisions to the states is a power grab, ending racial preferences is counter-majoritarian, and actually giving meaning to the 2nd amendment is “politically illegitimate”.
He cloaks it in various rationalizations, but the bottom line is that he wants, indeed thinks anything else is illegitimate, a Court that’s a rubber stamp for left-wing positions on all sorts of issues.
To the extent there actually IS a problem here, it's that Congress no longer originates Constitutional amendments, which is the only effective way to retain judicial review while over-riding wrongful constitutional rulings.
I think we need to have a constitutional convention, perhaps every ten years, with Congress empowered to call one early. So that if a Court ruling on the meaning of the Constitution genuinely outrages the public, (And not just Tushnet!) the public can do something about it.
Only Amendments was not the Founders' intent or understanding when they set up the our system of government. Your originalism is not actually originalist, it's just what you, liking things formalist and simple, wishes were the case.
At this late date, have you never read Will Baude?
They literally included Article V. Sure, they didn't expect people to be governed by the dead hand of the past, but that's because they expected frequent amendments, NOT because they intended for the meaning of enacted law to be treated like silly putty.
Of course I've read Will Baude. Baude is one of those originalists who despair of ever restoring original meaning, and so has given up on strict originalism in favor of things like "constitutional liquidation".
Amendments existing does not mean they are the only way for the Constitution to change.
Article V. Sure, they didn’t expect people to be governed by the dead hand of the past, but that’s because they expected frequent amendments, NOT because they intended for the meaning of enacted law to be treated like silly putty.
This is wrong. You refuse to read Baude and thus you are wrong.
Utterly historically incorrect as a matter of the legal public when the Constitution was written.
Baude is one of those originalists who despair of ever restoring original meaning, and so has given up on strict originalism in favor of things like “constitutional liquidation”.
Baude has done more research than you have ever done to arrive at his conclusion. His research came first, his conclusion after.
You have done no research and just told yourself comforting stories on how the Founders would agree with the conclusion you have alread decided on.
I'm not an originalist - I disagree with Baude. But I don't deny his historical research. Which you do. You don't even dispute it, you just deny it.
Look, Sarcastr0, it means exactly that.
You're at war with the very concept of language, do you understand that? The whole POINT of language is to communicate the source's meaning to the recipient; If the recipient decides they're entitled to attribute a different meaning to the text, you've broken language itself.
You've broken an important part of civilization itself, because people can't arrive at agreements, make deals, if the substance of the deal can be arbitrarily changed later by declaring the words to have new meanings.
But breaking language seems to be the left's go-to tool these days. Changing what "marriage" means. Changing what "man" and "woman" mean. Declaring that any constitutional language that gets in your way has evolved.
I don't like disregarding Supreme Court decisions.
I like enlarging the Supreme Court to reduce the influence of old-timey bigotry, childish superstition, and right-wing backwardness on the Court's decisions. Better Americans should arrange -- through meticulous compliance with established law and in congruence with ample precedent -- a Court that resembles modern, improved America rather than settle for a Court whose majority looks like a Federalist Society gathering transplanted into the 1950s or '60s.
So unborn black/brown babies can be murdered in all 57 of Barry Hussein's States instead of just the current 35 or 36??
Thank goodness we have a long history of First Amendment jurisprudence protecting the freedom of authoritarians to speak their minds.
Makes it so much easier for the rest of us. Now we can hear them coming from a distance.
I'm stealing this. Be flattered.
Just your daily full-throated endorsement of lawlessness from Democrats.
More lawlessness from Democrats tomorrow.
A bunch of activists insurrected in Congress just today as a matter of fact.
Check out this thread.
So many Democrats endorsing this view!
Biden is in such an advanced state of dementia, he's too senile to understand wtf these two wayward, derelict law professors are talking about.
I'd like to suggest those two profs be taken out and flogged.
Tarred and Feathered would be better
“The conservative justices did vote to uphold Trump’s anti-Muslim travel ban, a terrible ruling I have severely criticized. But even that decision was not simply a radical Trumpist departure from previous doctrine. It built on longstanding, though badly flawed, precedents applying lower scrutiny to immigration restrictions than other exercises of government power that might violate constitutional rights.”
Foreign nationals on foreign soil have exactly zero “rights” protected by the US Constitution. "Lower scrutiny" is obviously warranted because there’s no constitutional language protecting anyone involved. Judicial review is supposed to be based on laws and the constitution. Neither supported Somin's position even a tiny bit.
Trump is such a clown—the Muslim Travel Ban created chaos in the first several weeks of the Trump administration and Comey took advantage of it and helped sink Flynn. Had Trump fallen into a coma right after inauguration he would probably still be president…everything he did backfired.
The Somin constitution is rather different from the standard liberal constitution. The standard liberal constitution has sexual freedom as its highest value and most important human right. (Witness the fact that the liberal constitution permits more restrictions on voting than on abortion.) The Somin constitution, in contrast, privileges immigration to America above all other moral and political values.
The current Supreme Court isn't really on board with either of those visions, but you can't have everything.
There's really two ways of doing it:
1. Read laws and decide based on what they say.
2. Decide and then read laws for some way to write a passable justification of your choice.
Somin is definitely number 2. It isn't just laws either: every moral philosopher, every sociological statistic, every historical analysis proves that anyone who wants to come should be allowed to immigrate to the United States.
It is shocking that a Harvard law professor would advocate that the President ignore his oath of office to uphold the Constitution when it served the professor's interest. However, given this is Tushman, I suppose every village needs its idiot and fortunately Tushman is approaching 80 years old and so will be silenced relatively soon by the forces of nature.
I wonder how Tushman would feel about his arguments with respect to Roe if governors and state legislatures and law enforcement had continued to prosecute and imprison doctors for performing abortions in their states after Roe? It would seem Popular Constitutionalism should apply at the state level as well.
Scalia Doctrine says states and municipalities should take the lead on pushing back on opinions like Roe and Heller that are wrongly decided.
We should definitely take seriously the opinion of someone who pretends familiarity with a professor whose name he repeatedly gets wrong.
Trump appointed zero MAGA justices…Thomas is a MAGA justice because he is pussy whipped and will do whatever his cunt wife orders him to do.
Shouldn't you be complaining about Bush the Elder or some other shit that happened 50 years ago?
Thomas has more honor in his toenail fungus than you've owned your entire life.
Who isn't/doesn't?
and that wasn't kind or gentle, SB-F, to the Ovens!!!!!!
Frank
And to think of all the stink Professor Blackman has been raising about how the Trump appointees are so liberal they’re practically Democrats.
There’s a lot of precedent for Popular Constitutionalism. It was called “lynching.” Popular Constitutionalism is exactly what it is. When Judge Law won’t do it, Judge Lynch lets you string ‘em up anyway.
So far as this nation’s history and tradition of choice is concerned, people preserved de facto freedom of choice on slavery long after it was technically abolished by repeatedly doing exactly what Professor Tushman advocates, ignoring the federal courts and taking the law into their own hands.
The kind of popular action Professor Tushman advocates can enable courts to be bypassed with considerably less effort than actual lynching. For example, when some crazy niggers in Alabama tried to file a crazy lawsuit saying niggers had a right to vote, the post office simply stopped picking up or delivering their mail, They just threw out any mail addressed to or from them. With no way to communicate with the courts, their lawsuits had to be dismissed for lack of prosecution. And it showed the niggers the way things really are in Alabama and helped them learn not to be uppity on top of that. And not to think they can rely on anti-American pinko nigger-loving judges, either. No fuss, no muss. Worked so well, Professor Tushman would have been delighted. Popular constitutionalism at its finest.
What you describe isn't constitutionalism at all. How could we condemn democracy generally because of how Soviet "democracy" worked in practice?
Popular constitutionalism has a couple different meanings, but in its best form it simply means that the people as a whole have the highest authority (absent changing the law) to flush out what the law means. Written law is still something objective and fixed (until properly changed). Popular constitutionalism in this sense no more allows the people to ignore the law and make it anew when they interpret it than any other doctrine allows courts to do the same.
What Tushnet is describing isn't constitutionalism, either.
Neugierige: What you describe is a lofty goal, but still, it applies to written laws, not the Constitution. The whole point of the Constitution is that it becomes the absolute skeletal framework on which to hang the laws of a society. Break the bones, and you break the society.
just remember that Lynch Law had nothing to do with slavery -- it was persecution of Loyalists during the Revolution.
No, it does and did apply to everyone unpopular. From Jews, to Catholics, to Mormons, and from Native Americans to Chinese immigrants to Black slaves (or civil rights advocates). Don't like what they're doing/saying? String 'em up! Judicial review isn't just the bain of "democracy," it's the last fortification and bastion of a free republic.
A couple of law professors said something silly. Wake me up when Biden, or anyone with any actual influence, gets on board.
Wake up. A law prof who has been teaching and influencing future generations at one of the most influential institutions is advocating for this.
Have you never had a prof who wrote out there books but was fine in the classroom?
I'm not seeing legions coming out of Harvard advocating for nullification, cool your jets.
I have had some profs as you describe.
And I have had some that were not politically 'ethical' for lack of a better word.
And I had some that while in the classroom were fine but as we just talked outside of class were adamantly to the left of Mao and Lenin and sought to persuade me and others. His position as a prof was influential to many fellow students. Thankfully I was hardheaded and kept my brains about me.
And this was at a school nowhere near the influence of Harvard Law.
This may not be a particularly good argument, but it would be helpful if we devoted some serious theoretical attention to the question of what to do when the Supreme Court genuinely over-reaches. Is that just not possible?
Disputes with the Court over statutory interpretation are not really problematic, speaking theoretically, because those can be addressed through the political process. (Realistically, the conservative Court is achieving political results by invalidating or narrowing statutes with the expectation that Congress will be unable to do anything about it - see, e.g., its rulings on the VRA, Obamacare, etc.)
More problematic are questions about the Court purporting to exercise jurisdiction it doesn't really have. Is the Court the final and only arbiter of whether a suit raises a "case or controversy"? It has established this constitutional standard defining when it may hear cases, and has dismissed cases on that basis; what happens when the Court decides to ignore these limits?
Similarly, in the recent case considering the ISL theory, it clearly reserved for itself the right to step in and decide matters of state law, based on a putatively federal standard whose exact contours remain a mystery. When can the Supreme Court tell a state supreme court how to decide a particular question of state constitutional law? And what's to stop them from overstepping the bounds of dual sovereignty?
Certainly, the President's asserting the unilateral authority to disregard Supreme Court decisions seems... unwise. But we cannot count on Roberts being able to keep the Court short of causing a constitutional crisis, and we need a plan for when Alito/Thomas pull their impressionable younger colleagues over the cliff. What happens when the Court decides that every fetus is a "person" and has a constitutional right not to be aborted? What happens when the Court directs the President to engage in negotiations with another country in order to convince it to accept more migrants? What then?
SimonP, if SCOTUS over-reaches, doesn't Congress have the inherent power to limit the jurisdiction of the Court? Isn't that the 'constitutional' remedy?
It is possible for a SCOTUS to over-reach.
That’s actually debatable. The Constitutional language says that “In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.”
“Appellate jurisdiction” is jurisdiction on appeal. This clause could perfectly legitimately be read to mean that Congress has the power to switch particular topics to original jurisdiction, for expedited review by the Court, NOT that Congress can just take away the Court’s jurisdiction altogether.
Wanna bet how the Court itself is going to read that, if Congress decides to radically curtail the Court's jurisdiction to place major constitutional issues beyond judicial review?
Dumb, but also the pure fantasy of a sheltered academic. Mainstream Democrats - especially establishment types like Biden - would never seriously consider such a course of action. I'm frankly surprised that anyone would even bother to respond with more than a snort of derision.
Academic ideas percolate into the mainstream over time, haven't we seen that over and over? At one time CRT and DIE were just a gleam in some academic's eye, and look around you now.
The ravings of academics aren't happening tomorrow, but the frequently are a quarter century from now, as the students they raved to move into positions of power.
I'd say probably the biggest mistake the right has made in America in my lifetime, aside from not contesting the left's control of the media, is blowing off academic radicals as harmless.
The biggest mistake was giving up the battlefield of ideas thinking. Conservatives don't go into teaching, art, media, music, etc. If they did, we wouldn't have only 1 Fox News versus all the others. AM radio may be the only conservative outpost over the last 50 years... and it has been ignored by everyone but conservatives meaning its influence is minimal. And when I sat "conservatives don't go into..." I don't mean know they they are locked out. They left before the door was locked and that was the critical mistake.
Back about 20 years ago, conservatives were a minority in academia, but they weren't a tiny minority, and in STEM majors they often were the majority. Then the left leveraged a fairly modest majority to just shut out conservatives going forward, and NOW conservatives in most non-STEM academic fields are an endangered species.
I think it was because of the '94 election, actually: Until that election, left-wingers in academia viewed conservatives as harmless kooks. Afterwards, realizing they could actually end up controlling the government, they viewed them as dangerous fanatics.
It's odd that you don't regard your biggest mistake as electing a guy who attempted a coup.
Which coup was that?
Memory wiped, eh?
A coup? You are truly delusional. Do some research on what defines a coup, and then try to map what Trump said and did to that. If you can be intellectually honest, honest with yourself, you will see how you are wrong.
p.s. it wasn't an insurrection, either.
You think it was all a FBI false flag, so....not sure anyone is gonna take you as an authority.
I said it wasn't a coup, nor was it an insurrection. Do you refute that?
'Attempted.'
Yeah, I’m a lot less confident than I used to be about what is and isn’t within the realm of political possibility.
To me, the continued expansion of executive authority at the expense of Congress’s power and prestige – under both liberal and conservative administrations – is the great political ill of my lifetime. This proposal would accelerate the trend, empowering the executive even further at the expense of the judiciary. Just one step closer to monarchy. Doubleplusungood.
An immigrant from Communism, voting for Communists. That explains a lot about why Communism exists. Always wondered how domething so evil, can exist. Now I understand better, at least a little. Once a sheeple, always a sheeple.
1 - "Supreme Court expansion as a necessary strategy for restoring democracy" - Restore democracy by empowering the non-democratic branches!
2 - Edwin Meese used to push this same line on the right
3 - Actually putting "MAGA justices" in a supposedly serious proposal is laughable.
It is indeed ridiculous to repeatedly refer to MAGA justices. Somebody spent 500 million getting these justices on the Court and similar judges in other courts. Harlan Crow, Paul Singer, and presumably others are spending millions keeping them in line. None of that money came from Trump.
Credit where credit is due. These are not MAGA justices, they are Kochtopus justices.
Of course, there is little to no chance that Biden will take any such advice to ignore Supreme Court rulings. It’s not happening no matter how many articles get written urging him to do so. But there are people who are talking about expanding executive authority to previously unimaginable levels. We don’t hear a lot about them around here.
He's not going to come out and SAY he's ignoring Supreme court rulings, anyway. Doesn't mean he won't ignore them, just that he won't brag about doing it.
Why shouldn't an officer of the court that advocates ignoring a court decision be disbarred? Especially since the position is based solely on their political opinion
Assuming he even is a member of the bar, under what ethics rule?
I'm trying to think if there is any phrase that makes me more cynical than "democratic norms" in an era of court-sanctioned voting without ID and unrestrained mail-in voting during what is now more like Election Month than Election Day in many jurisdictions.
"For example, the Court recently decisively repudiated the "independent state legislature" theory, which Trumpists advanced as a tool to enable Republican state legislatures to reverse election results they oppose. "
Ignoring the explicit language of the Constitution to do so. John Roberts is earning the title of Taney 2.0, because he's going to play the same role in Civil War 2 that Taney did in Civil War 1.
No, it wasn't advanced as a tool to enable legislature to reverse election results, but to clarify that Democrat judges on state supreme courts couldn't override their legislatures. I think it was a poor argument. The way forward is to gas Democrats and ensure they aren't on state supreme courts, not to advance stupid arguments like that.
You know, for some time now, you've puzzled me.
A lot of the stuff you say is so outrageous that I'd normally assume you were just a liberal out to make conservatives look bad.
But I've gradually come around to the conclusion that you're the real deal, not engaged in parody or sabotage.
These people are trying to destroy the West, America, the European race and everything I care about. The "capitalists" won in the 60s, and then the commies took over academic, the media, and eventually, corporate America. As long as they are alive, they're a threat to us. Why *shouldn't* we want them dead?
A Jacobin eh? Purge the masses of the impure!
Sometimes the ends do justify the means.
Wow. A comment that combines Brett Bellmore's misunderstanding of constitutional interpretation with Dr. Ed's pining for mass murder.
Does the word "legislature" include judges and the executive? That seems wacky to me.
I can’t believe you want to law school. I took a class called legislation in law school. It was all about interpreting laws - how dare they!
Legislature as short for the whole process the obvious reading, and the one that doesn't produce an absurd result. It's also the one that makes it a bit harder for Trump to steal the next election so...there you are.
Yet you don't consider it to be "stealing" the elections when you basically foist tens of millions of worthless third worlders on us, claim we're "racist" for opposing them, say that it's required by "international law," and then when they are their worthless progeny get to vote in the future, say that it's our fault for not doing "outreach" to them.
Like any level of outreach is going to be effective for 85 IQ mestizos, who need social spending to pay for their everyday needs.
Ever heard of the Federalist Papers? I don't think anything in there supports this creative definition of the "legislature" as including all of government or whatever, just the opposite.
The Federalist Papers doesn't support anything like this.
https://reason.com/volokh/2023/06/28/steve-calabresi-on-moore-v-harper/?comments=true#comments
So Taney should have outlawed slavery?? Wtf??
The left has a blind spot. Once they are in power they can't imagine ever being out of power ever again. When it inevitably happens and they have to live by their own rules, they freak out and scream "Unfair!!!".
Harry Reid changing the rules on Judge Confirmation by a party line vote is a good example. The Lefties were stunned when Trump and the "Turtle" started running nominations through like a Long Island Freeway Toll Booth.
SCOTUS ought to have been set up with the authority to remove any president who follows this advice. Indeed, they should have seized it for themselves as soon as Andrew Jackson did it.
It's too late now. And as a result, we are a nation of men and not of laws.
I think I have read all the comments here, probably not all the replies to comments, but the thing that initially struck me as outrageous that no one has mentioned is how Prof. Somin takes this letter and spins it into an anti-Trump screed.
In addition, he doesn't comment at all on the hyperbolic nature of the writer's characterization of the conservative justices as "MAGA." MAGA is not a part, not a particularly well defined political philosophy, and none of these justices claim that they are MAGA justices. It is a smear. As one commenter said "Actually putting “MAGA justices” in a supposedly serious proposal is laughable."
I could go on. Not sure anyone is still following this blog post....
Sure, it's a smear, but it's par for the course with Tushnet.