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Biden's Student Loan Debt Cancellation is a Trumpian Abuse of Emergency Powers
Like Trump's policy, it's an illegal usurpation of Congress' power of the purse under a dubious emergency power pretext.

In 2019, then-President Donald Trump used a dubious emergency declaration to try to divert funds to build his border wall, despite the fact Congress had repeatedly refused to authorize any such expenditure. As I wrote at the time, Trump's emergency declaration was bogus because there was no genuine emergency, the relevant statutes didn't give him the power to transfer military funds even if he could declare an emergency, using eminent domain to build a border wall would cause grave harm to Americans as well as migrants, and Trump's actions could set a dangerous precedent, if allowed to stand. Liberal Democrats also condemned Trump's border wall diversion, citing many of these same considerations. Then-candidate Joe Biden was among them.
Several court decisions ruled against Trump on the merits (see my analysis here and here), though other courts rejected challenges to the border wall diversion on procedural grounds. Ultimately, the issue was resolved when President Biden ended the border wall diversion upon taking office, and Congress enacted legislation preventing future shenanigans of this type.
Unfortunately, President Biden's recent decision to cancel up to $600 billion in student loan debt for borrowers earning up to $125,000 per year ($250,000 for married couples) has much in common with Trump's border wall diversion. It too uses a dubious assertion of emergency powers to circumvent Congress' power of the purse in order to promote a harmful policy the president could not have pushed through otherwise. As Elizabeth Goitein, a leading liberal expert on emergency powers, points out in the Washington Post, in both instances the president was using emergency powers to "to get around Congress, when Congress has considered a course of action and rejected it."
As policy, Biden's loan cancellation plan is every bit as dubious as Trump's border wall. It's likely be a huge waste of resources at a time when we are already facing a looming fiscal crisis. It is highly regressive (especially, if as progressive Washington Post columnist Catherine Rampell points out, you consider beneficiaries' likely lifetime earnings, as well as their current incomes). Economist Jason Furman, former Chair of President Obama's Council of Economic Advisers, argues that it will make inflation worse. It also creates perverse incentives for universities and future college students, both of whom will face less pressure to cut already bloated education costs. For these reasons, the left-liberal Washington Post editorial board is right to decry the loan cancellation as a "regressive, expensive mistake."
Like Trump's wall-building project, Biden's loan cancellation plan is a policy beloved by the president's base, but likely to inflict grave harm on innocent people for no good reason. In one case, the victims are property owners and migrants. In the other, taxpayers and low-income workers hurt by inflation.
Biden has, however, managed to outdo Trump in the sheer scale of his raid on the treasury. Whereas the "former guy" (as Biden calls him) sought to divert about $10 billion in Pentagon and drug interdiction funds to the border wall, Biden's loan forgiveness plan exceeds that sum many times over, possibly shelling out as much as $600 billion. Biden is making executive usurpation of Congress' spending power great again - indeed, even greater than under Trump!
Admittedly, Trump's plan might still have been even worse, if you consider the non-pecuniary costs, such as losses to property owners and migrants, as well as costs to the Treasury and taxpayers. But that's damning Biden's plan with very faint praise, indeed.
The legal justification for Biden's plan also rivals Trump in its bogus reliance on emergency powers. The Justice Department's legal rationale for the plan relies on a provision of the 2003 HEROES Act, enacted in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, which gives the secretary of education the authority to "waive or modify any statutory or regulatory provision applicable to the student financial assistance programs" in order to ensure that, as a result of a war or national emergency "recipients of student financial assistance under title IV of the Act who are affected individuals are not placed in a worse position financially in relation to that financial assistance because of their status as affected individuals."
The statute defines "affected individuals" as anyone who is "(A) is serving on active duty during a war or other military operation or national emergency; (B) is performing qualifying National Guard duty during a war or other military operation or national emergency; (C) resides or is employed in an area that is declared a disaster area by any Federal, State, or local official in connection with a national emergency; or (D) suffered direct economic hardship as a direct result of a war or other military operation or national emergency, as determined by the Secretary." The administration's argument is that most beneficiaries of the loan forgiveness plan come under D, in the sense that they have suffered "direct economic hardship" as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic, the "national emergency" in question. It also claims that virtually everyone in the United States qualifies under C, because, in March 2020, then-President Trump declared the entire country a "disaster area" because of Covid.
But whether they are "affected individuals" under C or D, loan debt cancellation is still only permissible if the pandemic put them "in a worse position financially in relation to that financial assistance." For the overwhelming majority, there is simply no proof that Covid is preventing them from paying back their loans or even making it significantly harder to do so. As the Washington Post points out, the unemployment rate for college graduates is just 2 percent. Only a small minority of loan recipients actually suffered anything like sufficient "economic hardship" as a result of Covid to significantly affect their ability to repay their loans. Ditto for the proportion who had trouble repaying merely because they were present in a "disaster area" (defined here as the entire country).
The HEROES Act might reasonably be interpreted to allow the administration to reduce the loan burdens of borrowers who suffered prolonged unemployment during the pandemic, or whose ability to work was seriously impaired by getting the disease. But that's a far cry from giving it the authority to indiscriminately cancel loans for vast numbers of people, most of whom cannot plausibly claim to be unable to pay their loans because of Covid, or even that Covid has made it meaningfully harder for them to do so.
In reality, the administration's emergency rationale here is blatantly pretextual, much like Trump's emergency power rationale for the border wall diversion. Under the guise of addressing the Covid emergency, Biden is seeking to achieve a longstanding left-wing policy goal that he couldn't push through Congress. Trump tried to do the much the same thing, but for the right-wing objective of building the wall.
Fordham law Professor Jed Shugerman, a progressive sympathetic to Biden's move on policy grounds, nonetheless takes issue with the emergency power rationale:
As a progressive who was deeply disturbed by the Trump administration's abuse of power and executive power and invoking emergency powers, like building a wall, it seems too convenient now for progressives to embrace emergency power references by a new president, when we were so troubled a few years ago. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. We should be tired of the use of emergency powers.
I am no progressive myself. But I too was "deeply disturbed" by Trump's border wall diversion (which I forcefully criticized), and I too am "tired of the use of emergency powers." If we want to prevent Trump - or any future GOP president - from circumventing Congress and raiding the Treasury for partisan purposes, we should not let Biden get away with it, either.
Shugerman points out that the Administration's ultra-broad interpretation of the power delegated to the executive under the HEROES Act runs afoul of the Supreme Court's recent rulings on the "major questions" doctrine, which requires Congress to "speak clearly when authorizing an [executive branch] agency to exercise powers of "vast economic and political significance." If the statute is ambiguous, courts must presume that Congress have not given the agency the power in question.
The Court has recently used the major questions doctrine to strike down dubious Covid-related uses of emergency powers by the Trump and Biden administrations in the CDC eviction moratorium and OSHA vaccine mandate cases. Much the same logic applies here. The authority to cancel hundreds of billions dollars in student loan debt held by people whose claims to be victims of the Covid pandemic are highly tenuous, is pretty obviously a power with "vast economic and political significance." And, at the very least, it is far from clear that the HEROES Act really gives the executive that power.
Even if the Act were clear on this subject, such broad delegation might violate constitutional nondelegation requirements, which limits Congress' power to transfer legislative powers to the executive. Several recent decisions, including the vaccine mandate ruling, suggest that the Court may be interested in reviving nondelegation.
Shugerman and others have argued that the Biden administration should instead rely on section 432(a) of the Higher Education Act of 1965, which authorizes the Secretary of Education to "enforce, pay, compromise, waive, or release any right, title, claim, lien, or demand, however acquired, including any equity or any right of redemption," related to loans authorized by the Federal Direct Loan Program. I will take up that argument in a future post.
So far, the administration does not seem to be relying on this sweeping theory - which would give the executive the power to cancel any and all federal student loan debt at any time, even in the absence of a national emergency. But that could change if the loan forgiveness program is challenged in court, and the emergency power rationale starts to look like a loser.
It may be that the loan cancellation plan cannot be challenged in court, because no one will have standing to do so. This issue creates yet another potential parallel with Trump's border wall funding diversion. The Trump administration also relied on standing and other procedural arguments to try to prevent courts from considering the merits. Perhaps Biden will imitate Trump's strategy on this point, as well. This is another issue I plan to take up in a future post.
For now, I will end by reiterating Shugerman's point about the need to curb pretextual abuses of emergency powers. Those who rightly objected when the Republican goose did it, should equally condemn similar behavior by the Democratic gander.
UPDATE: I have modified this post to take account of the administration's reliance on two different definitions of "affected individuals" under the HEROES Act, not just one.
UPDATE #2: Since I wrote the above, Jed Shugerman has outlined his critique of the administration's legal justification for the policy in greater detail, in an article for The Atlantic.
UPDATE #3: I criticize the alternative Higher Education Act rationale for the debt cancellation policy here.
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When you lose Ilya...
As goes Ilya Somin, so goes . . . the Wall Street Journal editorial board. Lmao.
So now Biden's illegal actions are Trumpian; what crap!
Right. Just say, Biden is a really bad president. No need to reference Trump. Recall that the "wall" a project that was approved by Congress.
Ilya invokes Trump 23 times in an article purportedly criticizing a Biden action (whom Ilya names 18 times). Trump Derangement Syndrome is alive and well in Ilya's brain, along with many others'.
Your reading comprehension is based around the number of times you can find a word in an article?
That explains much about your deficiencies.
And there really is an invasion at the border. There is no student loan emergency.
How can there be a student loan emergency when the Democrats socialismized them back in 2010?
The emergency was student loans. The emergency was COVID-19.
was should be wasn’t
Even arguing that Covid was an emergency, rather than the consequences of the means chosen to fight it... The unemployment rate among the group qualifying for this loan amnesty is about 2%, post Covid. Some emergency.
The HEROES Act says, in essence, that loans can be modified such that the person is in the same financial position as if the emergency had not happened.
Wasn’t inflation caused by COVID-19, whether due to supply chain problems or COVID-19 cash relief programs or both?
Hasn’t inflation been higher than wage growth? And if so, doesn’t that mean that people have been financially hurt from COVID-19 even if they are employed?
It is incomplete for people to talk about the economy and whether people have been financially hurt by COVID-19 to talk exclusively about unemployment but not also inflation, in my opinion.
And right now, employers can't get enough employees. There's no emergency that would justify giving the loan amnesty. Then again, Democrats are the Free Shit Army.
Isaac:
But when inflation is higher than wage growth, people’s real financial situation is actually getting worse even though they are employed, right?
Inflation hurts lenders and benefits borrowers. Your argument is facially disingenuous. Or you’re just innumerate.
And why stop with student loans while we’re compensating for inflationary losses? Unlike loans, there are many other situations (e.g. income tax code) where inflation actually hurts people.
circleglider,
You are right that inflation hurts lenders and helps borrowers with existing fixed interest rate loans.
But inflation that exceeds wage growth also hurts those same borrowers.
The value of income is going to overwhelmingly be much more important to the overall financial position of an individual or family than a reduction in the real value of their student loan balances due to inflation.
The HEROES act, in essence allows student loan modification up to an amount to restore the overall financial position of the borrower as if the emergency had not happened. Since the income loss due to inflation is greater than the loan gain due to inflation, overall student loan holders (and most everyone else who depends on wage income) is made worse off by inflation on net. Thus, limited loan forgiveness under the HEROES Act is legal.
Whether it is wise policy is a separate question I am happy to talk about but am not addressing here.
That word does not mean what you think it means.
Bingo. He is broken. Trump would not have done this. But Ilya cared more about mean tweets, so he doesn't get to complain about this.
Actually, he does. I just read a whole post where he does.
'Those who rightly objected when the Republican goose did it, should equally condemn similar behavior by the Democratic gander.'
A massive wall to keep out incredibly poor people looking for work and which fell down and got used to scam people for millions is popular with one party, and giving people relief from a crazy bad debt system that is probably crippling at least some small part of the economy is popular with another, let's try to stretch things to make them the same!
Saying it's okay to ignore the law if it's for people in need is not enough of an argument. Otherwise you're be proving way too much, with rule of law as collateral damage.
I'm thinking of the formal argument. See below.
I agree with your objection.
There's been so much false-equivalence-drawing lately I guess I just lumped this is with the rest. If you AND Don agree on this, y'all probably have a good point.
Many of the “incredibly poor people” of whom you speak managed to take flights to Mexico to enter the U.S. via an open border, or pay coyotes thousands of dollars to sneak them across. They don’t qualify for amnesty or refugee status, and in any case international law requires them to apply for amnesty in the first country they reach. We have no obligation to take them in at taxpayer expense — just as we have no obligation to pay “forgiven” student loans voluntarily taken out.
When I was in Guatemala in the 1970s people had to walk miles to a post office to find a telephone. Now they all have cell phones. They are coming now because they know how to get here, what to say to the Border Patrol to claim asylum, and are well aware they will not be called on it.
They are coming now because they have a lot more money than before, not because they are destitute.
Nobody pays coyotes money to cross the border if they have other good options, for God's sake.
The fact that they don't have good options, in Mexico or in their own countries, isn't our problem. Not legally and not morally.
Yeah, it's their problem, and they're taking their chances in desperate situations.
Translation: ignoring the law for reasons I like is ok, but not for reasons I don't like.
There is a word for that: lawless. The president just announced that lawless behavior is a "clear and present danger" to the country.
As for policy, here is a radical idea. You think something is a good idea? Go to Congress, give a speech to the nation, and tell everyone how you think your idea is a good one for the nation and should be enacted into law. That's how many things were done, like the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
EVERYBODY STOP BULLYING ME INTO RESPECTING THE LAW!
Even the Civil Rights Act was done in bad faith. Its proponents promised that it wouldn't be used to justify quotas, and then the courts did just that, with the approval of the same people, in only a few years. Same with the Voting Rights Act not requiring "majority minority" districts.
Nothing in Nige's statement said or implied that laws should be ignored. I have to conclude that you use straw men so often that you jump to then reflexively.
You wish. Somin pointed out that both Trump's and Biden's acts were unlawful and both should be condemned as such. One way you could respond to that (which some here did, not very convicingly IMO) is to argue that one of them is lawful. Nige made no such effort -- he simply expressed agreement with one policy and disagreement with the other. The fact that he likes one policy does not make it lawful.
So, yes, he implied that the President should ignore the law when it suits his policy considerations. That's lawless. To be fair, lots of presidents have done that, but it's still lawless.
That's the way leftists operate. It's not that the Constitution protects abortion or gay marriage, or doesn't protect guns, it's that guns are bad, and killing third trimester babies and having gay buttsex is good.
That's how the left thinks.
'The fact that he likes one policy does not make it lawful.'
I never said that it did. I thought Somin was stretching to make them equivalent, others have persuaded me that he may have a point, legalistically.
You are simply restating the straw man again. Giving opinions about the policies themselves doesn't imply anything about the means used to implement the policies. I do agree with you that neither policy was implemented legally, which I suppose is the main point.
That and the fact that the second person to do so just excoriated a large part of the nation as being lawless. Ironic. Or perhaps its projection.
Democratic Party political strategists have surely considered the prospect that the Supreme Court might void Biden's debt cancellation. Maybe Br'er Rabbit and the briar patch got a mention.
This is just choosing politics over a plain scholarly reading of the National Emergencies Act. Trump obeyed the National Emergencies Act. It’s possible that there might be some legitimate-seeming dispute of some of the funds transfers. But the Act, in general, permitted and authorized what was done. The funds were already appropriated.
I haven’t read up on the loan giveaway legality, but I don’t remember Congress appropriating the funds for it. The President doesn’t have the power to appropriate funds.
The attack on Trump here is just very odd. Either it’s a personal emotional issue for Somin or Somin thinks he’s in danger of being punished in some way if he says anything bad about Biden without using Trump derangement as a shield.
LOL, Congress didn't appropriate funds for Trump's dumbass wall either, chief.
you're not going to be able to thread the needle to say Trump declaring a crisis is legit while Biden doing so is not.
I'm actually surprised you tried - when has logical consistency been your jam? Just say Trump did it to own the libs who are much worse all the time and move on.
I didn’t make a claim about Biden's action. Maybe it’s somehow legal. I don't know. So no consistency issue. Not that it matters. If you want to say it’s inconsistent, do your worst. No one cares.
Trump declaring an emergency was authorized in the National Emergencies Act. The funds were appropriated already. The Act allowed the transfers. You should go read it.
The arguments about the National Emergencies Act were all the same leftist lawyer mumbo-jumbo we always hear:
- it’s not an emergency — yeah, the Act says the President decides that question.
- it’s not a compatible purpose — tell a court that. See if you win. Closing the border to illegal traffic would seem to clearly be compatible with preventing drug traffic though. So you’ll probably lose.
"SEC. 201. (a) With respect to Acts of Congress authorizing the exercise, during the period of a national emergency, of any special or extraordinary power, the President is authorized to declare such national emergency."
Is the act saying "...the President decides the question?" It's poorly worded, but I'm not sure I agree with your interpretation.
It's only poorly worded in the sense of clearly expressing a bad choice.
The fact is that both the Orange Clown and Old Slow Joe are happy to abuse executive power when it is their druthers
And every other President in history - with the possible exceptions of George Washington and William Howard Taft.
False. William Henry Harrison was a model president.
I stand corrected. He was indeed.
Bevalacqua,
That does not make it right or less tyrannical.
é vero
The National Emergencies Act legally permitted Trump to redirect already appropriated funds in the event of an emergency. The funds WERE appropriated. Not for a wall, but they'd been appropriated, and he lawfully redirected them.
You want to say the National Emergencies Act is a bad law, I'll enthusiastically agree. But it's a bad law Trump was following to the letter.
If it takes TDS to get Somin worked up about the NEA, I'll take it. If that same TDS makes it psychologically impossible for him to criticize Biden without spending more space insisting Trump was worse?
Kinda pathetic, but I'll still take the criticism of Biden. Whatever he needs to sleep at night.
Reprograming funds explicitly means funds were not appropriated. In fact, Congress considered appropriating funds and did not - that was what gave rise to Trump invoking the Act.
If you hide behind formalism, beyond misunderstanding how our society operates, you also don't get to condemn Biden for doing the same thing.
And yet, you do condemn Biden and not Trump. Attacking Some won't hide you lack of consistency.
We should all note how these guys clearly feel that actions are illegal because they don't like them, notwithstanding anything written in any laws.
Have you read this comment thread?
You have a bunch on the right trying to say Trump was right and Biden was wrong,
a bunch of other folks saying they were both wrong.
like one guy saying Biden was right and Trump was wrong, but then he reversed himself.
Seems like your the ones with the guys who feel actions are legal if you like them, and illegal if you don't.
What's going on is that we're pointing out that Trump literally complied with the terms of the NEA. On your side you've basically got, "Trump did something, what Biden is doing is something, so they're the same."
At least the OP attempts to analyze whether Biden's proposed action actually complies with the terms of the law.
Hey Brett, it this you:
https://reason.com/volokh/2019/02/14/the-perils-of-trying-to-use-emergency-po/?comments=true#comments
[Somin] admitted it was probably legal from a legal realist standpoint, that the Supreme court would probably rule in Trump's favor.
I understand the argument that there isn't really an emergency, (As opposed to there being an ongoing emergency that's just been neglected until it's almost too late.) but I'd ask:
If you have a law granting the President power to do this and that in the event of an emergency, it must say something about who decides if there's an emergency. Is it the editorial writers of the NYC? Random 9th circuit judges living in Hawaii? Legal bloggers?
I'm just going out on a limb here, but it might be the President.
This is you, going straight legal realism when Prof. Somin argues the same thing as he did above but for Trump.
Pathetic.
Also, being "tired of the use of emergency powers" is not a legal argument. Who told you anyone cared what your emotional reactions are?
And "we should not let Biden get away with it, either"? Who is "we"? What power does this group of "we" think it wields to decide anything? Do you really think you get significant input in whether it happens or not? Did you win an election when the rest of us were distracted?
In addition to what Sarcastr0 says, no funds need to be appropriated for the loan forgiveness thing. The funds were already spent. (Yes, it costs the treasury money; I am not saying otherwise. But it costs the treasury money in the same way the government not collecting taxes does: it's foregone revenues, not actual spending.)
Also, Trump did not obey the National Emergencies Act, which requires that there be an emergency; it does not allow the president to just pretend there's one.
No, forgiveness of a debt is not the same as not taxing something.
Unless, of course, you mean not collecting taxes owed, which would be the forgiveness of a debt.
That's why the IRS has the 1099-C, Cancellation of Debt, form.
An emergency is when the president declares an emergency according to that Act at that time.
You know how the statute says, "An emergency is when the president declares an emergency"? Me neither.
You'd know if you read the statute. That IS basically what it says, sadly enough.
Basically? Well, that's some awesome statutory analysis. I love the absurd result of delegating infinite budgetary power to the executive!
Ha ha like now?:
But how else would you write a law for an emergency? There are other formulations, but just letting the President declare an emergency is the simplest.
It’s sad that abuse of power has become the norm. That door was already open a crack. The Obama Administration tore it off the hinges and used it for a surfboard.
That is NOT what it says, basically or not. At this point, I am beginning to wonder if anyone here as actually read the act.
You’re right. It clearly means that self righteous law professors and anonymous internet dorks get to decide what’s an emergency and what’s not.
Oh man, if only! But seriously, the word "emergency" has to have some meaning in this context. For the executive to simply declare any situation an emergency simply to circumvent Congress' appropriation power is pretextual, and SCOTUS has stated that pretextual reasons for actions are not permissible.
Sorry to use "simply" twice. That's simply bad writing.
Did you bother to read it Ben? Because you don't seem the type to actually engage with the material.
Lets try an easy one - why does this Act talk about emergencies, if there is no limit on when the President can invoke it?
50 U.S. Code § 1621 - Declaration of national emergency by President; publication in Federal Register; effect on other laws; superseding legislation
"(a)With respect to Acts of Congress authorizing the exercise, during the period of a national emergency, of any special or extraordinary power, the President is authorized to declare such national emergency. Such proclamation shall immediately be transmitted to the Congress and published in the Federal Register.
(b)Any provisions of law conferring powers and authorities to be exercised during a national emergency shall be effective and remain in effect (1) only when the President (in accordance with subsection (a) of this section), specifically declares a national emergency, and (2) only in accordance with this chapter. No law enacted after September 14, 1976, shall supersede this subchapter unless it does so in specific terms, referring to this subchapter, and declaring that the new law supersedes the provisions of this subchapter."
That's what it says: The President declares a national emergency. No criteria, no binding requirements, he just says there's an emergency, there is one.
It's as stupidly simple as that.
This reminds me a good deal of your interpretation of 2A. You are ignoring the text before the part you highlighted. What do you think that first part means? That is my question, and I'm not understanding that to mean the President can label any circumstance an emergency unilaterally, as you and others seem to be saying.
I'm not ignoring anything. The preceding text has to do with what powers the President is statutorily authorized to exercise once he declares an emergency. It doesn't in any way control his declaration of one.
We went over this whole thing in exhaustive detail when Trump invoked the NEA. Yes, it's stupid, but the act really does make 'emergencies' entirely up to a President's whim.
Why does the President even need to declare anything if that's not limiting language?
Maybe you should read the statute again.
The emergency has to first exist. Then the president can declare it. It most certainly does not say that the president can conjure a period of emergency out of thin air by saying so.
It most certainly does not give anybody at all besides the President any discretion about whether an emergency exists. Presidents declare emergencies, Congress can vote to terminate the, and that's it.
There's no language at all defining "emergencies", the only criterion is whether a President declared one to exist.
You are reading the word emergency out of the text. That's not textualism.
You're full on 'some Presidents are more equal than others' and it's really sad. You're a smart guy, but you are so blind to your biases you use your intellect to rationalize yourself into some truly idiotic places.
Its still spending,
Its voiding a contract -
It’s exactly the same damn thing. If you thought what Trump did was swell then you’ve got no right to criticize Biden.
Trump was facing an unprecedented rise in illegal border crossings.
As Brett pointed out, Biden is facing a Dem client group with 2% unemployment.
Legally, they’re the same illegal thing. You can’t support King Trump then be pissed about King Biden. You either believe in the separation of powers or you don’t.
They are different laws; they may be able to be distinguished (e.g. [though I think this is insufficient] Congress hasn't acted regarding student loan cancellation versus actively considering and rejecting wall funding).
But Trump folks here don't seem interested in showing their work.
A contrived emergency is a contrived emergency is a contrived emergency no matter the law.
There’s been no pandemic emergency since vaccine use became widespread 18 months ago. And how does student loan forgiveness mitigate the non-existing pandemic emergency.
Your boy Biden won’t be satisfied until he tops Robert Mugabe.
Well, there is no suspend the constitution provision in the constitution.
For these very reasons. But all the legal eagles say its there in invisible ink. Right after the invisible right to an abortion.
Of course this was going to be abused.
I'm not a fan of calling Trump Hitler, nor of calling Bide Mugabe, though props on the deeper cut than the usual Stalin/Pol Pot whatnot.
I get your point, and maybe it's my lawyer brain talking, but I don't think you can just say similar actions are comparable because you also need the laws and precedents to be comparable. Prof. Somin makes a pretty good argument on that front, but you gotta make the argument.
The pandemic emergency ended almost immediately; Covid was most of the time a low 3rd in the causes of death, it occasionally edged into 1st place during peaks. On average both cancer and heart disease were killing more people all through the pandemic.
Which is over at this point, by normal definitions of a pandemic.
If you're going to call it an emergency at this point, you might as well say that the country is ALWAYS in an emergency.
I heard from some idiot upthread that none of this matters - the only person who matters in declaring and emergency is the President.
Maybe take it up with that idiot?
He can be. He's a partisan hypocrite.
I think you overstate things. Ignoring standing and remedy issues, while I don't think this move will be upheld in the end, "Blatantly pretextual" is not established.
I don't think it's odds of being upheld are very good, but it's not clearly against the law - I'm not optimistic more due to the current makeup of the federal judiciary than it being outside the bounds of reason.
The statute being relied on is colorable in the current legal climate (see: eviction moratorium, the loan moratorium, etc.) but I don't see it going well in court.
Trump, OTOH, had Congress affirmatively reject what he wanted and then immediately want and did it anyway. Not even colorable, just straight abuse of power to go against Congress.
Putting myself in the shoes of a judge to analyze this move for myself, I find Prof. Somin's analysis persuasive. But I don't think this is as clear as he thinks it is, based on precedents regarding Covid that I'm sure he doesn't like, and doesn't seem to have mentioned.
As to what the law *ought* to be, I like the move, but don't like giving that authority to the executive.
Congress has spent decades rejecting the ERA has that stopped the Democrats?
I don’t know about that. The arguments against the legality of the action under the HEROES Act I have seen so far mention the low unemployment rate, but they do not mention that inflation has been growing faster than wages lately. And this inflation most certainly can be tied back to COVID, whether due to supply chain issues or relief payments.
Forgiving debt does not reduce inflation. If anything, it will exacerbate it. If inflation is the emergency, attempted solutions should address that rather than be transparent, partisan favoritism to a group with relatively high incomes.
Micheal, forgiving debt does not relieve inflation, but it may help mitigate the financial damage done by inflation to student loan holders. The HEROES Act allows loans to be modified such that people can be put in the same financial position as if the emergency had not happened.
This argument goes to the legality and not the wisdom of loan forgiveness, by the way.
"Blatantly pandering", however, is. And blatantly pretextual immediately follows.
A policy being popular means passing it is pandering, I guess. Not a very useful concept.
And also pretextual does not follow.
What does seem clearly correct to me is what others have said here. If the actions of Trump and/or Biden are somehow made legal by the National Emergencies Act, then the act needs to be drastically changed.
Biden didn't use that Act, IIRC.
But regardless, the broad delegations folks are contemplating would raise serious Constitutional delegation concerns.
Major questions, if you will.
I'm with you on the emergency powers, but this seems dubious:
when Congress has considered a course of action and rejected it
The problem with Congress wasn't that they disagreed with Biden, the problem is that Congress can't manage to do anything even when they do agree. The most mundane legislation (Obamacare, Biden's inflation thing) ends up being celebrated as a massive victory even though it took ridiculous amounts of everyone's time, wasted fortunes in bribes to boondoggles in various people's constituencies, and ultimately doesn't really do anything.
Congress is incapable of fulfilling its constitutional duties, and as a result every president ends up reading their statutory and constitutional powers as expansively as they think they can get away with. I would prefer it if presidents didn't do that, but then I get where they're coming from. If Congress spends four years doing nothing, somehow it's the President who has to explain that to voters when he's running for re-election.
Congress’ decision to do nothing is a decision.
We don’t have constitution where some Hitler can simply declare that the Reichstag is incapable of using its powers, dissolve or ignore it, and rule by decree.
What prevents us from having a Hitler is that our country doesn’t work that way.
If you don’t think the current members of Congress are doing their jobs, elect new ones.
Congress’ decision to do nothing is a decision.
It would be, if there was ever an affirmative vote to that effect. (As there typically would have been in many other legislatures around the world.) But Congress is full of veto points that prevent question from coming to a vote, and so the view of the full legislature is typically never established, and not necessarily determinative of the outcome.
I'll skip over all the Godwin nonsense. Lots of countries have constitutions that allow the business of government to actually get done while still preventing any one person from taking over the country.
If you don’t think the current members of Congress are doing their jobs, elect new ones.
That's a whole separate can of worms. Let's not get off-topic any further.
Taking over 1/5th of the economy and mandating that people who didn't want to buy health insurance be fined is "mundane"? How far we have fallen.
The first part certainly wouldn't be "mundane", if that was anywhere near what Obamacare actually did. But it did nothing of the sort, hence the continuing high profits of the private companies running the US healthcare and health insurance sectors.
I don't want to buy insurance for family planning, PrEP, or transgender surgeries. Why must I be forced to do so?
From hell's heart, Somin stabs at Trump.
I'm recalling that what Trump did held up in court. And, despite your feeble protestations to the contrary, the wall built provides real value, especially to border communities who bear the brunt of illegal immigration.
Actually, the case was dismissed as moot because Biden dropped the Trump policy when he became president.
And let's not forget that Trump's border wall would have cost between $15 and $25 billion, and at least have given people construction jobs, whereas Biden's looking to give away $600 billion that'll accomplish nothing (except buy votes).
"whereas Biden's looking to give away $600 billion that'll accomplish nothing (except buy votes)"
The only people in favor of this are already punching the ticket for Biden, and some of his supporters are actually against this. The change in votes will round to zero. All for the low, low price of a high 12 digit number.
It'll provide Apple and nail salons with revenue.
Nobody supports Trump’s border wall—it’s asinine. Everyone supports more wall.
I agree with Professor Somin that this action exceeds President Biden’s energency powers. I also agree that it is no more legitimate for President Biden to use emergency powers in the absence of a genuine emergency than it was for President Trump.
That said, I’m not sure I share Professor Somin’s objections to debt relief if properly passed by Congress and appropriately tailored. There’s certainly an argument to be made that the rising costs of college have made the debt too damn high. It’s a question within Congress’ discretion.
Precisely so.
Perhaps one should raise the slippery-slope argument - once the president was allowed to go to war without Congressional declaration, why wouldn't later presidents try all manner of other presumptively unconstitutional acts?
The question of the effectiveness of the policy is separate, of course. This is one of those things where I can see both sides so clearly I really am unsure. Economic actions that have likely positive and negative feedback effects are very difficult to analyse.
So we're going to pursue a policy that will make the costs of college higher while arbitrarily awarding money to a small segment of the population who don't merit it?
But they will vote Democrat, the party of the lawyer.
Biden didn’t fix anything. Being “forced” to do this is implicit recognition that there’s a huge problem as to college pricing and financing. If you’re going to (illegally) do something this drastic then at least propose something to fix the underlying problem.
Biden didn’t. He didn’t try. Because a) it’s too hard and would require competency, which isn’t in this admin’s toolbox and b) fixing it would piss off the progressives, particularly those reaping the goodie as college admins.
Just another clown move. The fact that it’s not legal isn’t as bad as the fact that it’s so ineffectual and wasted.
If you think this is outside Biden's authority, then systemic change is even moreso beyond what the executive can do.
Progressives are very much for reforming the student loan system, your theory about the importance of academic administrators to the coalition is not a very good one.
He could say to Congress “hey, we need to fix this”. Or, if you’re gonna be king, then go full king and mandate changes in the system. In for a dime, in for a dollar.
And college administrators are very important to the “coalition”. Without them stomping out free thought the revolution would be much more difficult.
I think that goes without saying. Though I would agree that taking action like this and then not prioritizing the systemic followup does undercut the case some.
But I really don't like the argument 'this is abuse of process, and now I'm going to be angry if you don't do more of it.'
And college administrators are very important to the “coalition”. Without them stomping out free thought the revolution would be much more difficult.
I don't want to get onto this tangent, but you're back in conspiracy land again. That's not happening at any electorally relevant level, nor is it part of any Democratic plan to win elections. I've worked on the Hill. Teachers unions are powerful; administrators? Not so much.
Fuck off with the conspiracy bullshit. You made them part of a group - a “coalition”. Not me. Quit putting your fucking words in my mouth.
This from the guy who says “you attack me when you can’t make an argument”.
Coalition means you rely on them for votes or funding.
You go well beyond that wherein Dems rely on school administrators to stamp out free thought. So there's not a revolution against the Dems, it seems? It's not every well thought out logistically.
I don't have an argument because you don't make an argument - you just state this wild coordinated system and provide no proof. I presume you've taken the examples on this blog of administrators are sometimes bad with freedom of speech, tie that into diversity offices, assume these anecdotes apply generally across the nation, the Dems know and are into it, and then it's off to the races.
It's a Belmorian multi-level conclusion jump. And I'm going to call it out when I see it.
It was a sarcastic throwaway remark.
You call a group a coalition and I respond to your statement and suddenly I’m a conspiracy nut because I responded to your concept. You don’t have an argument because you’re simply a name-calling prick.
I’m probably the least conspiracy oriented person in this board.
So just go away. Don’t fucking talk to me anymore. Your name calling without substance is a waste of my time.
I may have missed some hyperbole, I guess? It really looked to me like you were saying administrators are vital to Democratic power.
OK, then, sorry I missed that. But we still have a factual disagreement.
Liberals are not super into high tuition; the party is not captured by the power of the school administrator lobby. Our policy paralysis is the usual gridlock - Republicans would rather rail against the system than end it, and Democrats are too timid to do anything radical. Same as immigration. Same as social security. It's bipartisan dysfunction.
Their plans aren't that popular. So they need EO's because it would not pass congress.
They'll accept the possibility of judicial overturn until they can further corrupt the judiciary.
Just like their favorite boogeyman Putin.
Were Trumps EOs super good and popular and not Putinish?
You are proving too much again.
The idea that forgiving student loans is not popular is absurd. Why else do it right before an election?
Interesting the multiple references to the harm caused to "migrants" by the wall. I wonder if US courts would even grant them standing since any alleged harm was only caused when they tried to break our immigration laws. Have a fifty foot wall all the way around the country and all they have to do is show up at the gate with the proper paperwork and they will be admitted. Of course if you don't believe in a country for its citizens and instead believe that it should just be a free for all, I guess keeping people out is harming them.
Last year, a record number of migrants died crossing the border. That record will be topped this year. At least 1000 migrants have died crossing the border since Biden took office, Migrants are "voting with their feet" right into their graves. But Trump is the real "danger" to migrants.
As millions pour across our border unchecked, it's curious that absolutely no one is making Somin's argument that this will produce tremendous benefits for this country. Some see a crisis. Others just deny it's happening. Of course, Somin will never go anywhere near the border to witness his preferred policies in action. He wouldn't want inconvenient facts to undermine his beautiful thesis.
"Of course, Somin will never go anywhere near the border to witness his preferred policies in action"
Lil' Ilya doesn't even dare venture into the comments sections of his own posts. He will never come within a thousand miles of the southern border. He'll just keep foot-voting migrants into early graves.
Gee, I wonder why he doesn't interact with commenters here when they engage in such respectful disagreement. It's commenters like you who keep people like Prof. Somin and Prof. Blackman far away from these threads. And who could blame them.
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September.3.2022 at 10:16 pm
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Last year, a record number of migrants died crossing the border. That record will be topped this year. At least 1000 migrants have died crossing the border since Biden took office, Migrants are "voting with their feet" right into their graves. But Trump is the real "danger" to migrants."
Perhaps those migrants should not be trying to cross the border -
Illegally at that
For all practical purposes, the progressives have invited the illegal migrants
I think Prof. Somin's proposed policies involve letting people in, so there would not be people dying while crossing the border.
The fact "Trumpian" is even used to describe this abuse of power means the author just has no clue whatsoever....
“For the overwhelming majority, there is simply no proof that Covid is preventing them from paying back their loans or even making it significantly harder to do so.”
That isn’t true. Inflation has been going up higher than wages lately, and that inflation is directly related to Covid. (For example, the supply chain issues and the Covid relief payments.)
Whatever the merits of that argued linkage, the impacts of that inflation vs wage imbalance falls even more heavily on people who have lower wages, who disproportionately never went to college. It's unreasonable to use their taxes to (further) subsidize people who have higher incomes.
You are making a policy argument, not one about legality.
I am happy to discuss the policy argument, if you like. But first, I just want to be clear that the above argument is about legality.
I would be less concerned about student loan forgiveness if it hurt the people that benefited from the student loans - which is the education establishment, the universities, the faculty, the administration, who had nicely compensated jobs due to inflated tuition.
The student loans were structured where the schools had no risk (for which in many cases was a faulty product).
Instead, its the taxpayers who are caught bearing the brunt of the forgiveness.
Pretty fucked up not to care about who gets helped, only who gets hurt.
Spite and punishment are not generally how you make good policy - carrots are better than sticks in the long run.
Your comprehension of basic economics, accountability and normal business risk assessment is seriously substandard.
Sarcastro - who should be punished for the benefits the Universities enjoyed?
A) the people and organizations that received the benefit?
B) all the taxpayers who did not receive the benefit?
Universities enjoyed the free ride knowing they bore none of the risk of defaults on student loans. Had they been at risk, tuition costs would have more closely followed inflation instead of 5x the inflation rate.
So you think tuition is too high not due to misaligned incentives or a market failure, but due to evil schools. And if we just find and punish the evil schools, the system will right itself?
Childlike. If you think someone is getting a free ride, the solution is to address the externalities, not punish. This is policymaking in a market economy 101.
And inefficient use of taxes is bad, but not a punishment. Hence why there is no taxpayer standing.
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"So you think tuition is too high not due to misaligned incentives or a market failure, but due to evil schools. And if we just find and punish the evil schools, the system will right itself?"
No & Yes
Tuition rose vastly faster than the inflation rate due to grossly misaligned monetary policies designed to benefit the schools . - Though you already knew that.
& yes the schools are evil - much more so than those evil for profit corporations - with the main exception is that those evil for profit corporations bear the risks associated with those actions.
The schools received massive financial benefits without any risks.
In a normal economic environment, the schools should be the ones bearing the costs.
Though you would know that if you had a better grasp of micro and macro economics
Monetary policies? I think you mean the existence of student loans?
Anyhow congrats on identifying part of the bad incentives! But alas yiu can’t see through your spite towards anything but punishment.
Someone on this forum talked about setting a ceiling of how much tuition could be increased. Addressing things going forwards, not deciding there are bad guys and wallowing in resentment.
Odd definition of punishment -
More like repayment of unearned benefits
Sacastro -
Based on all your comments - seems you have zero comprehensive of what caused the student debt bubble.
Those of us who do understand the cause have been warning about it since the 1980's
As usual yiu accuse those disagreeing with you of being ignorant.
Tiresome, and says a lot about how shallow your worldview that you go there to deal with dissent regularly.
I understand how subsidizing loans decoupled price from supply and demand. I just don’t think that means anyone is evil.
You are the one who brought up "evil"
My only statement was the those that received the benefit should bear the cost of any forgiveness. the schools were the ones that received the benefits
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September.4.2022 at 10:46 am
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"Pretty fucked up not to care about who gets helped, only who gets hurt."
In other words - Its okay to screw the taxpayers !
Lets look at this paradigm of yours, and how it proves too much.
The government spends money on stuff I disagree with all the time - wars I don't agree with, silly defense spending, unnecessarily cruel immigration enforcement policies, ethanol etc. etc.
But that doesn't mean I'm getting stolen from. What makes you so special that the stuff you don't like is theft? Nothing - you just want a more dramatic argument than that you don't like it.
If they're spending it illegally, is it theft or just helpin' folx out?
What a complete dope. "Trumpian". Holy crap Reason. Clown show.
But diversionary tactics. Did Trump ever have LE harass his political opponents?
Sputtering, disaffected, powerless right-wingers are among my favorite culture war casualties . . . and precisely the target audience of a white, male, movement conservative blog with a vanishingly thin academic veneer.
Are you vying with David Bahar for the most repetitious posts on VC comments?
No one can compete with Volokh and Blackman.
But that's no problem replacement won't address.
How long until Prof. Volokh distributes some more diversionary chaff to try to redirect attention from the problems of Donald Trump, John "Dreamboat" Eastman, Jeffrey Bossert Clark, Ron DeSantis, Doug Mastriano, Blake Masters, Sarah Palin, Matt Gaetz, Christina Bobb, Evan Corcoran, Rudy Giuliani, a dozen or so religious right clergy, Lindsey Graham, and a few other co-partisans?
In the legislation which established the student loans, is there a provision where the president can just forgive the loans?
If no then his order in unconstitutional. Period.
Prof. Somin advances a worthwhile argument. As with any content at the Volokh Conspiracy, a mainstream analysis would be needed to reach anything approaching reliable conclusion.
With regard to standing, if nothing else happens first, presumably a future president can try to collect on illegitimately forgiven debts, some of those debtors will object, and then you have a live case?
I mean, sure, but how would those politics play?
politics first - lets ignore good economic policy and the law
The point is no President is going to do that. Which is pretty relevant to the discussion.
No President is going to honor the law?
That's what Joe Bidet does.
"Joe Bidet"
Babe wake up, a new conservative "joke" just dropped!
In this thread, a bunch of mediocre boomers who sailed through life on the winds of post-New Deal prosperity and went to college for $500 are big mad that their Uber drivers are getting thrown a couple of crumbs. Pathetic.
I didn't think Ilya had TDS, but this says it all:
"Admittedly, Trump's plan might still have been even worse, if you consider the non-pecuniary costs, such as losses to property owners and migrants, as well as costs to the Treasury and taxpayers. But that's damning Biden's plan with very faint praise, indeed."
Really, Trump's plan is worse, even though orders of magnitude less expensive, because it imposes "costs" to illegal immigrants?
What is the emergency, a labor shortage, where people can name their price?
Then why did he want Big Government Lover Biden to win over Small Government Lover Trump?
It's real bad, if young graduates aren't desperate enough they might not join the military!
Despite the law unemployment rate, inflation has been growing faster than wages lately. So, employees still can’t name their own price.
Ilya is an Ivy indoctrinated Dem attack running dog. Without that wall, we are bustin' records in opiate overdose. Most are in Dems, and they will eliminate crime soon, but they are still not right.
Go ahead, duck the legal question because you don't actually believe in law, just Trumpian dictatorial power
Law is the same as Democrat party tyranny. That is the party of the lawyer and of all enforcers of the rent seeking.
I leave the legal questions to the legal eagles, I enjoy reading the reasonings but refrain from pretending I know enough to contribute. Oddly enough I could not disagree with Trump that there's an emergency at the border, I just knew he was only ever intent on making it worse.
Queenie, Baby. Great tweet, bruh. Say it in Ebonics for me.
And if you look at the Southern border encounters, you can see that there actually was an emergency. Before Trump took office, Southwest border encounters had averaged below 50K for better than a decade. But illegal immigrants do follow the news, and the rate dropped substantially from there in the anticipation of enhanced border enforcement. By May '17 they were down to about 20K.
Then Congress made it clear they weren't going along with Trump on border enforcement, and illegal immigrants DO follow the news. Encounters started tracking back up. By May '18, 52K. May '19? 144K, over 7 times higher. (Stats from the CPB.)
Since March of 2021, illegal immigration across our Southern border has been a lot worse than the worst month of Trump's administration. How much worse? May '22 was TWELVE times higher than May '17!
So, sure, looking back compared to today, the numbers back then don't look like an emergency. That's only because we went from an administration that was trying to cope with the emergency, to one that was deliberately making it worse.
Yeah they were, the emergency powers act allowed Trump to divert money from previously appropriated defense construction projects to address a presidentially declared National emergency.
All the money spent was previously appropriated to the DOD for construction.
Ilya needs to condemn the catastrophic Dem lockdown.
That isn't an emergency. Emergency powers orient around Congress not having time to respond to something, so the president is authorized, by them, to respond quickly in limited ways.
Both the border overflow, and the school loan problems, are desired results by Congress, who set these up, watched them unfold, and chose, and still choose, to do nothing about it.
There is no emergency in either case.
Republicans will benefit from this wave of immigration because only the Cubans will ever be granted citizenship and get to vote.
Institutional gridlock preventing action does not mean the result is desired.
A nation's sovereignty being challenged by millions of illiterate third world peasants is certainly an emergency.
And another xenophobic bigot muted.