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Justice Thomas (Again) Urges Reconsideration of the Scope of Section 230
In a statement respecting the denial of certiorari, Justice Thomas suggested some courts are adopting an overly expansive interpretation of the immunity conferred by Section 230.
Today the Supreme Court denied certiorari in Doe v. Facebook, Inc. Justice Thomas issued an opinion respecting the denial of certiorari, repeating his suggestion that the Supreme Court should consider the scope of immunity offered to Facebook and other website publishers under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act in an appropriate case.
His brief opinion reads:
In 2012, an adult, male sexual predator used Facebook to lure 15-year-old Jane Doe to a meeting, shortly after which she was repeatedly raped, beaten, and trafficked for sex. Doe eventually escaped and sued Facebook in Texas state court, alleging that Facebook had violated Texas' anti-sex trafficking statute and committed various common-law offenses. Facebook petitioned the Texas Supreme Court for a writ of mandamus dismissing Doe's suit. The court held that a provision of the Communications Decency Act known as §230 bars Doe's common-law claims, but not her statutory sex-trafficking claim.
Section 230(c)(1) states that "[n]o provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." 47 U. S. C. §230(c)(1). The Texas Supreme Court emphasized that courts have uniformly treated internet platforms as "publisher[s]" under §230(c)(1), and thus immune, whenever a plaintiff 's claim "'stem[s] from [the platform's] publication of information created by third parties.'" In re Facebook, Inc., 625 S. W. 3d 80, 90 (Tex. 2021) (quoting Doe v. MySpace, Inc., 528 F. 3d 413, 418 (CA5 2008)). As relevant here, this expansive understanding of publisher immunity requires dismissal of claims against internet companies for failing to warn consumers of product defects or failing to take reasonable steps "to protect their users from the malicious or objectionable activity of other users." 625 S. W. 3d, at 83. The Texas Supreme Court acknowledged that it is "plausible" to read §230(c)(1) more narrowly to immunize internet platforms when plaintiffs seek to hold them "strictly liable" for transmitting third-party content, id., at 90–91, but the court ultimately felt compelled to adopt the consensus approach, id., at 91.
This decision exemplifies how courts have interpreted §230 "to confer sweeping immunity on some of the largest companies in the world," Malwarebytes, Inc. v. Enigma Software Group USA, LLC, 592 U. S. ___, ___ (2020) (slip op., at 1) (statement of THOMAS, J., respecting denial of certiorari), particularly by employing a "capacious conception of what it means to treat a website operator as [a] publisher or speaker," id., at ___ (slip op., at 8) (internal quotation marks omitted). Here, the Texas Supreme Court afforded publisher immunity even though Facebook allegedly "knows its system facilitates human traffickers in identifying and cultivating victims," but has nonetheless "failed to take any reasonable steps to mitigate the use of Facebook by human traffickers" because doing so would cost the company users—and the advertising revenue those users generate. Fourth Amended Pet. in No. 2018–69816 (Dist. Ct., Harris Cty., Tex., Feb. 10, 2020), pp. 20, 22, 23; see also Reply Brief 3, n. 1, 4, n. 2 (listing recent disclosures and investigations supporting these allegations). It is hard to see why the protection §230(c)(1) grants publishers against being held strictly liable for third parties' content should protect Facebook from liability for its own "acts and omissions." Fourth Amended Pet., at 21.
At the very least, before we close the door on such serious charges, "we should be certain that is what the law demands." Malwarebytes, 592 U. S., at ___ (slip op., at 10). As I have explained, the arguments in favor of broad immunity under §230 rest largely on "policy and purpose," not on the statute's plain text. Id., at ___ (slip op., at 4). Here, the Texas Supreme Court recognized that "[t]he United States Supreme Court—or better yet, Congress—may soon resolve the burgeoning debate about whether the federal courts have thus far correctly interpreted section 230." 625 S. W. 3d, at 84. Assuming Congress does not step in to clarify §230's scope, we should do so in an appropriate case.
Unfortunately, this is not such a case. We have jurisdiction to review only "[f]inal judgments or decrees" of state courts. 28 U. S. C. §1257(a). And finality typically requires "an effective determination of the litigation and not of merely interlocutory or intermediate steps therein." Market Street R. Co. v. Railroad Comm'n of Cal., 324 U. S. 548, 551 (1945). Because the Texas Supreme Court allowed Doe's statutory claim to proceed, the litigation is not "final." Conceding as much, Doe relies on a narrow exception to the finality rule involving cases where "the federal issue, finally decided by the highest court in the State, will survive and require decision regardless of the outcome of future state court proceedings." Cox Broadcasting Corp. v. Cohn, 420 U. S. 469, 480 (1975). But that exception cannot apply here because the Texas courts have not yet conclusively adjudicated a personal-jurisdiction defense that, if successful, would "effectively moot the federal-law question raised here." Jefferson v. City of Tarrant, 522 U. S. 75, 82 (1997).
I, therefore, concur in the Court's denial of certiorari. We should, however, address the proper scope of immunity under §230 in an appropriate case.
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Clarence Thomas wants EVERYONE to know that he's a Donald Trump stooge. Josh Blackman would be proud, and probably is.
Don't you find it strange that Trump was evicted but not Putin or any number of Xi stooges?
Eugene Volokh is calling for cyberstalking, online harassment, and doxing to be LEGAL, in his dangerous absolutist interpretation of the First Amendment that ignores all other rights of victims.
It would be fun if the supremes would take deplatforming Trump as the minimum standard. One statement that can be wildly construed as unpleasant is all it takes to get rid of the "customer".
Putin gone
Russia gone
Venezuela gone
Iran gone
Communist China gone
Schiff gone
Waters gone
Pelosi gone
etc
What a wonderful world.
Any indication which of Ginni Thomas' right-wing funders is gratified by this formal opinion from Justice Thomas?
What exactly does Justice Thomas think would happen if 230 were significantly modified or repealed?
Since he is calling for neither of those, does it matter? He is calling for examination of the scope of that immunity as enacted by Congress.
If someone posts on Facebook that they have 12 year old sex slaves for sale, do you think Facebook should have any responsibility at all to remove it?
I'd say first: only if a court required it.
I'd say second: if some damn fool is crazy enough to post his criminal activities online where it is easier for the cops to track him down, great!
There is never a shortage of fools who commit crimes and brag about it either directly or indirectly
Right. Like renting a van, filling it with explosives, blowing up a building, and the coming back to the van rental company for a refund.
On your first -- why?
On your second, yes it would be stupid. Unless the ad was hard to trace. Let's say it took the cops a year to trace and stop it. Should the victims, i.e., the sex slaves, have any recouse against Facebook?
I am anti-censorship. Once censorship starts for personal subjective reasons, it always expands, and it's easier to censor too much than risk too little.
If someone is advertising sex slaves for sales, he'll either want buyers or it's a fake. Offer to buy, meet up, arrest.
If he's hard to find and arrest, he probably hasn't got what he claims.
Why should facebook be punished for the incompetence of the police?
If we planned a bank robbery over the phone, should the phone company be held liable? Because of common carrier immunity, the phone company does not get to turn off service to people whose views it does not like.
(1) The phone company cannot listen in on your conversation (without violating wiretapping laws). Which ends at a discrete time. Facebook can review user content any time, which by definition stays up until it is taken down.
(2) Facebook, unlike the phone company, is not a common carrier. The phone company is required to take your phone business, and cannot terminate you for the content of your conversations. Facebook is not required to take anyone, and can remove content whenever it like for any reason (which in fact was the chief purpose of Section 230), and can even ban you, for any reason.
Bored. You are saying the phone company and Facebook are different. Agreed. That is why Facebook should have full liability for its actions.
If someone posts on Facebook that they have 12 year old sex slaves for sale, do you think Facebook should have any responsibility at all to remove it?
Yes, they should. Absolutely. But section 230, as currently written, not only doesn't require but immunizes Facebook from the consequences of that. Thomas is doing exactly what he criticizes so many others for doing - trying to rewrite a duly-enacted law to reach what he views as a just result. Courts have consistently interpreted section 230 to mean exactly what it says for almost 30 years. It is the height the hubris for Justice Thomas to somehow claim to have discovered a better reading of it. Also, that his discovery coincides perfectly with the prior President's criticisms cannot be dismissed as coincidence.
.Jon S " Thomas is doing exactly what he criticizes so many others for doing - trying to rewrite a duly-enacted law to reach what he views as a just result"
There is a difference between sugesting the statutory language should be revisited vs writing an opinion or dissent to acheive a "just resulte " / preferred policy result which was a halmark of Ginsburg (see encino motors, goodyear and her aca plurality opinion
Suggesting Congress do something is only half what Thomas does here, though. He goes onto say that if Congress doesn't do so, the Supreme Court should take a look at the topic (and presumably come to a different decision than basically everyone else has so far). This particular case just happens to have an obvious procedural flaw such that he can't justify doing it here.
Exactly. If he was just saying, this is a stupid law and it should be changed, I'd be fine with that.
I do not, but to be clear, Congress amended § 230 in such a way that Facebook could be liable (SESTA-FOSTA) in that context.
And here I was thinking that the case for stare decisis was particularly strong in statutory interpretation cases.
The Supreme Court has never taken up the issue.
It never has for very good reason. Courts - both federal and state - have never split on the issue in any significant way. And the law is clear as day. Justice Thomas is doing exactly what he criticizes so many others for doing - trying to rewrite a duly-enacted law to reach what he views as a just result. Courts have consistently interpreted section 230 to mean exactly what it says for almost 30 years. It is the height the hubris for Justice Thomas to somehow claim to have discovered a better reading of it. Also, that his discovery coincides perfectly with the prior President's criticisms cannot be dismissed as coincidence.
As usual, nobody, including Thomas, will give any thought to 1A press freedom implications. I have said this before. It cannot be repeated too often. You cannot tinker around with Section 230, to try to fine-tune users' expectations, or to give public figures increased protection. Either approach will end up as an attack on press freedom, and will spill over to encompass and unreasonably burden other kinds of publishers.
All you can wisely do with Section 230 is repeal it unconditionally. And that you cannot do fast enough. Section 230 is a failed experiment. Which is why nearly everyone is unhappy with it. But it won't get fixed soon. Before that can happen, all the hare-brained special pleaders, with their various ambitions to rig publishing law to suit competing priorities, have to learn they cannot have it their way. Everybody has to give up together their hopes of winning a jackpot chance to rewrite Section 230 to benefit them, and assail their opponents. The only way to do that is unconditional repeal.
Of course, there is the silly idea that in the USA, we are all equal under the law, and there are no special classes of "people who talk about public things". In the face of the web, everyone is a reporter, and no one is a journalist.
Longtobefree — If your comment made any sense, there would be no defense of any right which protected particular conduct not practiced by everyone. Do you feel envious of special protections the Constitution extends to the institutional press? Join the institutional press and enjoy the protections.
Or just stop being so dim, and get that even if you do not join the institutional press, it delivers benefits for the public life of the nation as a whole—exactly as founders including Franklin, Hamilton, Madison, and Jefferson said it would.
No, just repeal the procensorship portion of 230
Huh? What part is that?
Platforms have a first amendment right to control who can and cannot use it. You'd have to significantly rewrite first amendment law to change that or have Congress declare Twitter, Facebook and other platforms to be effectively common carriers and regulate them as such. Big government in a big way.
Yeah, the Internet would be way better if the platforms couldn't take down child porn or if religious websites couldn't take down trolling posts by satanists.
It seems to me that the only people unhappy with Sec 230 are the people who want to censor by proxy. That includes lots of our congresscritters who don't like having to listen to criticism - and it includes the institutional media who don't like the competition.
Pretty much everyone else either explicitly likes it or is indifferent.
Sec 230 is not a "failed experiment" - it's a highly successful experiment. And the more special interests like you whine about it, the more convinced I become that it was a good idea.
Rossami, if it were not for remnant fragments of institutional media, which make their work product available for web aggregators to parasitize, you would know next to nothing about what is going on in this nation. Internet media, exploiting an unfair commercial advantage afforded by Section 230, have destroyed most of the news gathering capacity of traditional local media, and replaced it with . . . next to nothing.
Organization and capacity to gather news has proved a bridge too far for today's internet business models. Section 230 has played a major role in making that happen. The public life of the nation has been degraded accordingly.
Other things to consider:
Only a very insulated person would not be aware that human trafficking occurs via social media; this includes an adolescent. It is in the news all the time. Does not this adolescent have any personal responsibility?
Parents are surely aware that social media is not an entirely beneficial thing. The media frequently covers the potentially toxic nature of these platforms, including but not limited to, bullying and grooming.
What this sounds like to me, on the part of the plaintiff, is "facebook MADE me do it; *I* had no agency." Which is bullshit.
I said this in the other thread, but I'll reiterate it here since there seem to be more people who are not insane like Holden here:
This is (as I noted when he first pulled this) why Thomas is a bad Supreme Court justice. It's not because he sometimes rules in a way I disagree with — he does, but the reverse is also true — but because he has no respect for the position.
§ 230 has been in existence for more than a quarter century. It has nearly unanimously been interpreted this way, and there are strong reliance interests at this point. Congress has had every opportunity to amend the statute if it doesn't agree with the way courts have interpreted it. It has chosen not to do so (except in some narrow ways not relevant here). SCOTUS has no business changing that interpretation at this point based simply on the notion that maybe this isn't the best interpretation.
SCOTUS doesn't care that much about lower court interpretations if they really want to screw with a statute. The Court neutered a statute I care a lot about, 28 USC 1350, despite the fact that the lower courts were close to unanimous about what it meant and SCOTUS, for years, never took up a case.
They figure they're the Supreme Court, and what the lower courts think isn't all that relevant to what they do.
I mean, of course they can do what they want — and they do — but it's obviously not true that they don't care about lower court interpretations. They do, which is why they almost never grant cert if there isn't a circuit split. (Unless, of course, they want to expedite an execution.)
Justice Thomas has finally fully bootstrapped his §230 campaign - he has repeated his displeasure often enough that now he can cite a Texas Supreme Court opinion that cites to one of his previous hortatory addresses on the subject.
That opinion is worth a read. However plausible that Court found Justice Thomas' reading it ultimately concluded that
Thomas is wrong. Even if a social media company theoretically knows in aggregate that "its system facilitates human traffickers in identifying and cultivating victims," their reason for doing so cannot simply be assumed to be "because doing so would cost the company ... advertising revenue". A good and ethical company could legitimately decide to refuse to engage in those investigations because the harm of the heavy-handed mass implementation of the controls necessary to identify true human traffickers is vastly outweighed by the very tiny number of actual victims. After all, human traffickers also use houses - but you still need a warrant to search them.
No Rossami, Thomas is not wrong. You are wrong. You support cyberstalking, and by implication, you have blood on your hands from the suicides caused by cyberstalking.
Section 230 must be repealed at all costs if USA wants to remain a competition country and keep the public safe.
Tech companies must be held legally accountable for facilitating abuse.
What is so difficult to understand about the reality that Section 230 enables online criminals to harm victims without recourse to the victims? How is this fair to victims of cyberstalking, cyberharassment, doxing, and cyberabuse?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hjdopsyXOY&t=177s
Why are so many mentally-ill Americans, especially on this forum, basically supporting cyberstalking and online abuse? What is happening to American values when people can't tell the difference between right and wrong?
It is absolutely disgusting and appalling that the so called "Professor" Eugene Volokh has DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help the USA address the increasingly common issue of cyber-stalking and online harassment. In fact, he is trying to make victims of cyber-stalking and cyber-harassment even more vulnerable by trying to strike down all legislation that would protect them.
It is highly likely that Eugene Volokh is taking bribes from Big Tech companies like Google and the Electronic Frontier Foundation to peddle de-regulation for Tech and a lack of protection for victims of online abuse and online harassment. Eugene doesn't care if kids are committing suicide over online bullying, for him, it's all just a theoretical academic exercise.
Rather, Eugene Volokh has tried his best to HARM victims of cyberstalking by trying to argue, incorrectly and foolishly, that online harassment and cyberstalking is "Free Speech". He completely ignores the reality that mentally ill sociopaths, stalkers, and harassers purposely use the Internet to try to stalk and ruin lives of innocent victims.
Eugene Volokh doesn't understand the nature of the internet and should not be opining dangerous statements on "Free Speech" when he hasn't experienced truly malicious cyber-stalking himself.
His life experience is not adequate to be opining about "Free Speech" and online abuse, since he has not experienced online abuse and does not really understand the damaging (and permanent) potential of internet speech.
Eugene Volokh, in his many "papers", completely and purposefully ignores the impact of cyberbullying, cyber-harassment, doxing, and stalking to the VICTIMS of malicious mentally-ill cyber-stalkers and sociopaths. Instead, he works hard to protect the rights of these mentally ill criminals and leave victims with no legal recourse to regain their lives and stop this atrocious behaviour. In essence, Eugene basically supports the criminals.
Who in their right mind thinks "Free Speech" should be abused by plainly malicious individuals who are often mentally ill and are purposely using the internet to harm the victims by revealing private, personal information (doxing) or slandering them online, or posting their personal private pictures?
Rather than help the courts in the USA understand that cyber-harassment is NOT protected speech, Eugene Volokh has taken money ("bribes") from Google, Big Tech to peddle the false notion that harassment websites dedicated to tormenting a victim are "Free Speech" and "one-to-many speech."
You can see that many of Eugene Volokh's papers are funded by Google (https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/05/should-googles-search-results-be-protected-by-the-first-amendment/257468/). He is not a unbiased legal analyst, but rather someone likely to be taking direct bribes from Google and Big Tech to pander incorrect and dangerous Constitutional interpretations that falsely argue for lack of regulation for Big Tech. In return, Big Tech saves money and pays Eugene Volokh a kickback.
Plainly, Eugene Volokh's First Amendment absolutism is EXTREMELY dangerous for America because it allows cyberstalking, cyber-harassment, doxing, and online abuse to flourish and to go unpunished.
Eugene is basically fighting for a world where online stalkers can continue to harass and stalk victims without legal consequences. He makes money off of this, of course. He doesn't want the general public to know that he gets kick backs from Big Tech.
Eugene also tries to make it as difficult as possible for cyber-harassment victims to file a civil suit against their perpetrators using a "pseudonym", to protect their privacy from even further harm. Rather than sympathizing with the unfortunate and undeserved situation of the victims, Eugene tries to argue that for the victim to file pseudonymously would be somehow "unfair" to the malicious defendant, a psychopath who DESERVES to be held accountable for his criminal and harassing behaviour.
Eugene Volokh reminds me of a wolf in sheep's clothing. He has an ulterior agenda apparently, to de-regulate Big Tech so they can maximize profits at the expense of making Americans totally unprotected from cyber-harassment, doxing, and cyber-stalking by mentally ill individuals online.
You see, it's simple. Eugene advocates for no internet regulation, and ignores online abuse. This benefits Google and Big Tech, who don't have to pay fines for not removing harmful and abusive content. They save money, and perhaps pay Eugene kick-backs behind the scenes.
Eugene has publicly admitted that his "Google is a publisher" paper is funded by Google. Way to go for impartiality. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, Eugene. Of course the paper magically "concludes" that Google is protected by First Amendment. Geez, did Eugene expect all of us to be blind?
It is VERY highly likely that Eugene Volokh gets paid by Google and Big Tech behind the scenes. That's why all of his papers "happens" to fall on view that Big Tech should not be regulated, ever. This is clearly wrong, and dangerous.
Refute me, Eugene Volokh. Everything I said was fact. This is my protected "Free Speech." You have no legal action against me, even if you wanted to.
Worse of all, Eugene has attempted to DELETE and CENSOR my truthful posts ABOUT him as he found it "harassing", while denying the same recourse to thousands of REAL online harassment victims across the country and protecting the rights of their harassers. So Eugene has exposed his dishonesty and biased - if someone posts TRUTHFUL information ABOUT him that casts him in an unfavourable light, he WANTS it CENSORED, but when it happens to millions of other Americans, he claims they DO NOT deserve legal recourse and that the postings are FREE SPEECH.
Tell me, what is Eugene Volokh's solution for victims of mentally ill cyber-stalkers who continuous post private, personal information about victims online in an attempt to harass, disturb, cause emotional distress, or control their victims? What is Eugene Volokh's solution for victims of these crimes to get the harassers to stop, get the harmful content removed, and allow the victims to return to their normal lives? Does he even give a shit? Does he even consider that the First Amendment may be outdated for the internet age, where anybody with any type of axe to grind or slight against an individual can post anything harmful online to affect the lives of the victims?
The dangerous part of Eugene Volokh's analysis is he COMPLETELY ignores the mental impact to the victims of online harassment, he pretends like cyberstalking isn't even a thing. Free Speech absolutism without taking into account privacy interests, right of victims to be free from harassment, etc... is DANGEROUS. The result of Eugene Volokh's Free Speech Absolutism is that victims of malicious online harassment will NEVER be able to get legal recourse from their attackers, who can post any personal or embarrassing or private information with NO legal repercussion, maliciously, to ruin lives. This is apparently the world that Eugene Volokh wants.
I'm sorry, but Eugene Volokh's First Amendment absolutist interpretation is simply dangerous for humanity and America, and is totally incorrect and one-sided. In Eugene's dangerous world, victims of cyber-harassment cannot ever get relief from their attackers, ever. That's how Eugene wants it to be, unless of course, the victim is himself.
Volokh, you have no legal action against me because I'm using the First Amendment that you fiercely advocate against you to expose the truth.
Troll.