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Edward Snowden

Trump Can Take Revenge on the 'Deep State': Pardon Snowden

Why Edward Snowden deserves not only a presidential pardon, but a hero's welcome home.

Zach Weissmueller | 7.8.2025 10:45 AM

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Twelve years after facilitating the largest national security leak in American history, Edward Snowden remains exiled in Russia, unable to set foot on U.S. soil without losing his freedom.

A bipartisan consensus denouncing Snowden as a criminal traitor quickly formed in Washington, D.C., following the revelation of his identity in 2013: "I don't think Mr. Snowden was a patriot," President Barack Obama said at a press conference. Hillary Clinton dismissed him as "a lawbreaker," House Speaker John Boehner called him a "traitor," Rep. Mike Pompeo (R–Kan.)—later CIA director—called for his execution.

The U.S. government was illegally surveilling its own citizens, and because of decisions made by Congress and the Bush and Obama administrations after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, America was on track to become an Orwellian police state.

This hasn't happened yet thanks in large part to Edward Snowden, who deserves not only a presidential pardon, but a hero's welcome home.

In 2013, Donald Trump shared the D.C. establishment view of Snowden, calling him a "spy who should be executed." In 2015, while campaigning for president, Trump said, "I think he's a total traitor, and I would deal with him harshly." By the end of his first term, however, Trump had changed his mind.

"Many people think [Snowden] should somehow be treated differently, and other people think he did very bad things, and I'm going to take a very good look at it," Trump told a reporter who asked him about a potential Snowden pardon in August 2020.

After Trump lost reelection to Joe Biden, journalist Glenn Greenwald says he "engaged in a huge amount of effort" with Trump's transition team about pardoning Snowden, and that, at one point, Trump was convinced to go through with it.

"I think he liked the idea, the kind of flair of it, and wanted to do it," says Greenwald.

Greenwald says anti-Snowden partisans like Pompeo talked Trump out of it, and that Trump may have worried that such a move would spur congressional Republicans to vote to convict him in his impeachment proceedings.

But now, Trump has less to lose by angering the GOP establishment than he did in 2021.

Pompeo is no longer in his orbit. Trump has already shown a zeal for using the pardon power to settle scores, for better or worse, starting with a blanket pardon of the January 6 rioters. He also kept his promise to the Libertarian Party by freeing the founder of the dark web drug market the Silk Road.

By pardoning Snowden, Trump could really give the finger to the D.C. establishment and, incidentally, do the right thing by sending a message to the world in this moment of creeping global surveillance and censorship: Snowden was right.

"Does the NSA [National Security Agency] collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of  Americans?" asked Sen. Ron Wyden (D–Ore.) of Director of National Intelligence James Clapper in March 2013.

"Not wittingly," Clapper responded.

Snowden, in his book Permanent Record, says "that was a witting, bald-faced lie" and describes the exchange as his "breaking point"—the moment he realized he'd be morally compromised if he didn't risk everything to expose the truth. Less than three months later, he would hand thousands of classified government documents to Greenwald, documentarian Laura Poitras, and Guardian journalist Ewen MacAskill in a Hong Kong hotel room and reveal his identity to the world.

"There's no saving an intelligence community that believes it can lie to the public and the legislators who need to be able to trust it and regulate its actions," Snowden told a German reporter in 2014. "Seeing that, for me, really meant for me there was no going back. Beyond that, it was the creeping realization that no one else was going to do this."

Obama urged Snowden to return to the U.S. and face trial.

"If, in fact, he believes that what he did was right, then, like every American citizen, he can come here, appear before the court with a lawyer, and make his case," Obama told the press two months after the publication of the documents Snowden leaked.

But a fair trial was unlikely. Snowden was charged under the Espionage Act of 1917, which was passed during World War I and used to quash antiwar activism, landing socialist presidential candidate Eugene Debs in prison for advocating draft resistance. Under the Espionage Act, the Rosenbergs got the electric chair for selling nuclear secrets to the Soviets.

The law wasn't designed to prosecute whistleblowers exposing government malfeasance, so a judge wouldn't have allowed Snowden to present his rationale for leaking classified information. In 1973, a federal court prohibited Daniel Ellsberg, who exposed official lies about the Vietnam War, from using a whistleblower defense.

"I wasn't able to say anything about [my motivations] or why I felt that it was reasonable for me to risk my life to get the truth to the American people," Ellsberg told CNN in 2014. "Snowden wouldn't have a chance to say any of those things."

If Snowden had turned himself in, as Obama advised, he would have faced a show trial.

Just look at what happened to Army private and Wikileaks source Bradley Manning—he spent nine months in solitary confinement before standing trial. Manning, who would later identify as Chelsea, ended up serving years in prison before Obama commuted the 35-year sentence.

"The United States will always be my home," maintained Snowden in a 2019 MSNBC interview. "I'll always be willing to come back on a single condition…that the government guarantee that I have the right, and every whistleblower has the right, to tell the jury why they did what they did."

If Snowden had come back without that guarantee, would he have gotten the electric chair like the Rosenbergs? That seems to be what Trump's former CIA chief wanted.

"I think the proper outcome would be that Snowden be given a death sentence for having put friends of mine, friends of yours who serve in the military today, at enormous risk because of the information he stole and then released to foreign powers," Pompeo told C-Span in February 2016.

There's no direct evidence that Snowden handed material to foreign powers nor that any intelligence agents were harmed by the published material, which Snowden filtered through journalists like Greenwald and Poitras.

Investigative journalist Edward Epstein wrote a book in 2017 impugning Snowden, pointing to data Snowden took from the NSA that had nothing to do with illegal surveillance. He implies that Snowden was no hero, just a disgruntled employee who carelessly jeopardized American security.

"He was in the palm of Russian intelligence service's hands. When they have someone in their palm, they're going to squeeze them," said Epstein in one interview about the book. 

But Epstein's case has major holes. He alleged that Snowden likely intended all along to trade classified documents to Russian President Vladimir Putin's intelligence forces in exchange for asylum. But Snowden has convincingly argued that ending up in Russia was never his intention and that the U.S. government trapped him there by revoking his passport. He was actually seeking refuge in Ecuador, and he had to leave Hong Kong because the local authorities threatened him with arrest.

"We were traveling to Quito, Ecuador, via Moscow via Havana via Caracas for a simple reason: it was the only safe route available," writes Snowden in Permanent Record. "There were no direct flights to Quito from Hong Kong, and all of the other connecting flights traveled through US airspace."

He became a Russian citizen in 2022, nine years after he was marooned in Moscow's Sheremetyevo International Airport, but he hasn't excused Putin's behavior.

"I think everyone would agree, probably including the Russian President himself, that he is an authoritarian leader. I think the Russian government broadly does not have a good record on human rights, and that hasn't changed," Snowden told MSNBC in 2019.

So why does the D.C. establishment hate Snowden? Because he exposed their lies and undermined their power.

Snowden proved that Clapper lied in his Senate testimony, and Obama and his inner circle knew about it. The documents he leaked revealed numerous illegal intrusions on the private communications of millions of Americans, though Clapper's former head counsel at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence claimed that "every member of the [Senate] committee was already aware of the program" when Wyden grilled Clapper about it. 

It wasn't just cell phone records: Snowden also revealed the existence of the secret electronic surveillance program known as PRISM, whereby the NSA forced companies like Microsoft, Google, Facebook, and Apple to turn over their users' personal information with secret court orders.

He revealed how British and American intelligence collaborated to tap fiber optic cables and break encryption for Google and Yahoo customers without the companies' knowledge.

Another program called XKeyscore created "digital fingerprints" that allowed spies to ID users based on their search patterns and track them even if they changed usernames or computers. This private data would be stored at a $1.5 billion NSA facility in Utah.

Collecting a haystack in search of a needle violates the Fourth Amendment's protection against unlawful search and seizure. But that was the strategy. It was a "collect the whole haystack" approach, as one insider told The Washington Post.

The NSA was building the architecture to permanently store the communications of everyone on the internet, without the knowledge or consent of the American people.

In Snowden's words, his job was to help the NSA create a "permanent record" of all of us, with his role of "managing and connecting the flow of intelligence" giving way "to a job figuring out how to store it forever, which in turn gave way to a job making sure it was universally available and searchable…engineering a system that would keep a permanent record of everyone's life was a tragic mistake."

Establishing such a permanent digital record might make catching criminals more convenient, but to Snowden it also meant violating the privacy of every American and empowering the sort of authoritarian techno-surveillance state that's emerged in China.

"We see how these same technologies are being applied to create what they call the social credit system [in China]," Snowden said in 2019. "If any of your activities online, if your purchases, if your associations, if your friends are in any way different from what the government or the powers-that-be of the moment would like them to be, you're no longer able to purchase train tickets. You're no longer able to board an airplane. You may not be able to get a passport. You may not be eligible for a job."

After the Snowden revelations, a federal judge ruled against the intelligence agencies, writing that bulk collection of Americans' phone records "exceeds the scope of what Congress has authorized" and that the "sheer volume of information" collected by the NSA was "staggering."

Another court considering the surveillance of a conservative activist named Larry Klayman determined it likely that "the NSA's bulk collection program is indeed an unreasonable search under the Fourth Amendment."

That would never have happened if not for Snowden's actions, which also inspired Congressional reform and, most importantly, brought public awareness, which had all sorts of direct and indirect effects—an outcome New York University journalism professor Jay Rosen termed "The Snowden Effect."

Thanks to the Snowden revelations, Apple branded itself around privacy. Messaging apps that use end-to-end encryption like Signal and WhatsApp flourished, and major platforms like Facebook incorporated strong encryption into their private messaging. The public now understands the power of secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) courts to authorize all sorts of spying without any oversight.

But Obama claimed at the time that he had already "called for a thorough review of our surveillance operations before Mr. Snowden made these leaks." So should Snowden have just sat on the material and waited for Obama to push forward these reforms? Maybe filed an internal complaint?

He says he tried and got nowhere.

Ellsberg was also criticized for not using "official channels" even though he tried to alert Congress that the official narrative about Vietnam was a lie. Henry Kissinger later called Ellsberg "the most dangerous man in America." He was wiretapped by FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, and the president's henchmen even broke into his psychiatrist's office to try to dig up dirt. When Obama's Secretary of State John Kerry criticized Snowden, he drew a contrast with Ellsberg's patriotism.

"There are many a patriot. You can go back to Daniel Ellsberg and with the Pentagon Papers, and others, who went to court and made their case. Edward Snowden is a coward," Kerry said. 

Ellsberg called Kerry's comments despicable.

"He called Snowden a fugitive from justice. He's a fugitive from injustice," Ellsberg told CNN. "I was not allowed, because of the Espionage Act, to describe my motives, my reasons, the considerations that had led me to break my promise that I'd made to the government many times not to reveal their secrets. That I had regarded those secrets as wrongful, as unconstitutional….Snowden wouldn't have the chance to say any of those things [either]."

But John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama—like Kissinger, Hoover, and Nixon before them—nevertheless pushed the claim that the government's illegal actions and lies could have been addressed by complaining through the official channels.

"My preference," said Obama, "would have been for a lawful, orderly examination of these laws, a thoughtful, fact-based debate that would then lead us to a better place."

But that debate would never have happened if Snowden hadn't forced Obama and the intelligence agencies to admit what they were doing.

So why should Trump pardon Snowden? He has first-hand experience with the kind of unaccountable surveillance Snowden exposed.

The same secretive FISA court that rubber-stamped the NSA's mass surveillance authorized spying on former Trump adviser Carter Page based on faulty information supplied by the FBI.

"Unelected deep state operatives who defy the voters to push their own secret agendas are truly a threat to democracy itself," Trump said in a 2017 speech.

It was Snowden who alerted a generation of Americans to this danger. To do so, he gave up a comfortable life earning a six-figure salary, living in Hawaii with his girlfriend.

"You can go to work. You can collect your large paycheck for relatively little work against the public interest and go to sleep at night after watching your shows," Snowden told Poitras, explaining his decision to hand the material to journalists and go public with his identity. "But if you realize that that's the world that you helped create, and it's going to get worse with the next generation and the next generation who extend the capabilities of this sort of architecture of oppression, you realize that you might be willing to accept any risk and it doesn't matter what the outcome is so long as the public gets to make their own decisions about how that's applied."

The danger Snowden exposed is more present than ever as the government seeks to spend half a billion dollars integrating artificial intelligence into key federal agencies and tapping the data analytics firm Palantir to scour a centralized federal database Trump created by executive order.

But because Snowden made the public aware of these dangers more than a decade ago, our culture and technology have had time to adapt and figure out ways to protect privacy and evade unwanted surveillance.

We owe Snowden an enormous debt, and Trump should let him come home.

  • Editor: John Osterhoudt
  • Graphics: Lex Villena

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Zach Weissmueller is a senior producer at Reason.

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  1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   10 hours ago

    I don't think Mr. Snowden was a patriot," President Barack Obama said at a press conference. Hillary Clinton dismissed him as "a lawbreaker," House Speaker John Boehner called him a "traitor," Rep. Mike Pompeo (R–Kan.)—later CIA director—called for his execution.

    This tells me he needs a pardon.

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    1. Stupid Government Tricks   10 hours ago

      Just like the climate change liars. I don't need a PhD in climate science to infer that when alarmists feel it more important to lie that prove their claims, their claims are probably bullshit. Polar bears and penguins and snow and summer arctic ice all still exist, Michael Mann's hickey stick curve has been proven a lie, and the reason juries exist is because you don't need a PhD to have good instincts for detecting lies and prevarications.

      And if all those lying politicians think Snowden is a threat, then I think they are right: he is the kind of threat needed for liberty to survive.

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      1. SRG2   10 hours ago

        1. The hockey stick was by no means the only evidence and the overall GW hypothesis did not depend upon it.
        2. Later reconstructions have found similar results.
        3. Actual climate measurements have supported the GW hypothesis.

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        1. Bertram Guilfoyle   9 hours ago

          What will it take to get you to set sail with Greta next time?

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          1. SRG2   8 hours ago

            I don't give a shit about her - she's not a scientist. but I do not that most deniers are unable to discuss GW without mentioning Al Gore or Greta Thunberg as though they are any kind of scientific authority who the scientists follow.

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            1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 hours ago

              And most of the so-called climate scientists cited by the alarmunists got their degrees in communications or politics or anything but physics, and their statistical lies are legion.

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            2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   7 hours ago

              Your kind seem to put an awful lot of stock in her. Which speaks volumes about all of you.

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            3. jabbermule   3 hours ago

              If you and your ilk think man-made "GW" from carbon emissions is such an "existential threat," then why are you all so quick to dismiss nuclear energy, natural gas and geothermal, and call direct air capture carbon removal "racist"? Why did Germany and Great Britain decommission their nuclear power plants, then fire up all their coal burning power plants when Putin-provided natural gas was no longer politically tenable if carbon emissions are the greatest threat to mankind? Why are 501(c)3 environmental philanthropies using American tax dollars to do nothing more than scream "end capitalism" and throw money away on corrupt "environmental justice" groups if the world is going to end in 2050?

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        2. Stupid Government Tricks   8 hours ago

          Let me be more specific:

          * Humans do not cause climate warming to any measurable degree.

          * Climate records going back hundreds of millions of years show the temperature changes before CO2 changes.

          * The existential threat of our measly 430 ppm CO2 is belied by the 4000-6000 ppm during the dinosaur ages, which quite evidently did not reach any tipping point.

          * The hockey stick did not show either the Medieval Warming Period or the Little Ice Age.

          * The Urban Heat Island effect and the fraudulent weather stations situated near artificial heat sources in defiance of international standards make those readings useless.

          The climate is warming, yes. No one denies that. If you are so pedantic that you cannot see "climate warming" as shorthand for Anthropogenic Global Warming, then any further contributions you have are meaningless.

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          1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   8 hours ago

            Until one of these climate bullshitters address the Darvaza gas crater they can all stfu. Especially shrike.

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            1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   7 hours ago

              You mean Guv’na Shrike?

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        3. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

          Poor shrike. Even on climate he is retarded.

          Other reconstruction make the same mistakes as the hickey stick, weighting data into the models that fit the assumptions of the modelers. It has gotten so bad multiple science agencies of countries are now even reducing measured data to fit the models.

          Shrike, stop discussing topics you're ignorant to.

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      2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   8 hours ago

        “hickey stick”

        Sexy!

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        1. Stupid Government Tricks   7 hours ago

          Well, shucks. Freudian slip? With anyone else in any other field, the fraud behind that hockey stick graph would have been the kiss of death.

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    2. diver64   4 hours ago

      Absolutely. No one can point to Obama, Boehner and Pompeo as a source on anything with a straight face.

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  2. I, Woodchipper   10 hours ago

    National hero

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    1. Dillinger   8 hours ago

      ^^

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  3. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   10 hours ago

    I'd prefer not letting the pedophiles off the hook, but I understand there’s a certain strain of liberaltarians that don’t care about that.

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    1. Stupid Government Tricks   10 hours ago

      Jeffrey? Jeffrey Epstein? Is that you?

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    2. Quicktown Brix   10 hours ago

      I'd prefer not letting the pedophiles off the hook, but I understand there’s a certain strain of liberaltarians that don’t care about that.

      MAGA too.

      PART OF THE PROBLEM The Epstein coverup.

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      1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 hours ago

        This bizarre nonsense about Epstein having no client list and about needing to protect the victims from disclosure to justify not reporting what adults were raping children is beginning to make me wonder just who those rapists are. I've never figured Trump for liking children, and don't even think creepy hair-sniffing shoulder-massage Joe swings that way. But Bill Clinton, Bill Gage, and all those Trump and Clinton sycophants? There's something fishy about the whole thing.

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        1. Quicktown Brix   7 hours ago

          I agree. Trump’s a womanizer, not a pedo.

          He's covering up for pedos in the highest positions of power in the nation despite running against the deep state and for draining the swamp. Disappointing, but not surprising.

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        2. diver64   4 hours ago

          I'm sure Epstein had one. I'm also sure the prior to the Trump administration the deep state made sure it was destroyed.

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    3. MasterThief   2 hours ago

      I had to search the article for at least a reference to Epstein considering that is actually a major news story involving the deep state right now. It was really annoying to see he referenced Epstein, but some random guy with the same surname.

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  4. sarcasmic   9 hours ago

    Even if he was pardoned, Snowden wouldn't last a week back here before someone murdered him.

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    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   9 hours ago

      Nah, he should be fine as long as he doesn't trespass.

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    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

      Like your boos shooting dhs agents?

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    3. diver64   4 hours ago

      This isn't Russia where everyone either falls out a window or shoots themselves.

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  5. Sometimes a Great Notion   9 hours ago

    But then the NSA will release the pee tape [placeholder for what they actually got on him].

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  6. TrickyVic (old school)   9 hours ago

    """Does the NSA [National Security Agency] collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?" asked Sen. Ron Wyden (D–Ore.) of Director of National Intelligence James Clapper in March 2013.

    "Not wittingly," Clapper responded.""

    Then Clapper was recalled to Congress and asked about the untruthfulness of his answer. Which he replied something to the effect of, it was the least dishonest answer I could give.

    Nothing happened to Clapper for lying outright to Congress over domestic surveillance.

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    1. Quo Usque Tandem   9 hours ago

      I suppose if Clapper went down, there were too many others who would have to follow him.

      "My preference," said Obama, "would have been for a lawful, orderly examination of these laws, a thoughtful, fact-based debate that would then lead us to a better place."

      Dissembling palaver for idiots.

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      1. TrickyVic (old school)   9 hours ago

        ""I suppose if Clapper went down, there were too many others who would have to follow him.""

        IDK, I think Chuck Schumer explained it.

        ""“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow.""

        https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/312605-schumer-trump-being-really-dumb-by-going-after-intelligence-community/

        Think about it. A sitting Senator is warning an incoming president about the pettiness and vindictiveness of the IC. Which is also a statement of power considering a sitting Senator is scared of them.

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        1. Quo Usque Tandem   5 hours ago

          At the beginning, middle, and end of the day, the deep state looks after itself. And you f with them at your peril.

          Reminds me of the Little Abner cartoons I read in the Sunday paper as a kid. Once the monster becomes so large you can no longer control, much less get rid of it.

          Yeah, I can buy that.

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  7. Incunabulum   9 hours ago

    But doesn't Trump have to ask the bureaucracy and the federal judges first?

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  8. Minadin   9 hours ago

    Snowden, I don't have a problem with pardoning. As far as I can tell he's more of a whistleblower than a traitor.

    Bradley Manning can rot in Leavenworth, though.

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    1. JasonT20   8 hours ago

      Snowden, I don't have a problem with pardoning. As far as I can tell he's more of a whistleblower than a traitor.

      Bradley Manning can rot in Leavenworth, though.

      Looks like I can guess where you fall on the questions I ask below.

      The pardon power is a different issue than jury nullification, though, I admit. Whether to pardon someone is entirely subjective the vast majority of the time, but jury nullification is getting fairly deep into legal ethics and the philosophy of systems of justice. I am curious about why you are willing to see Snowden granted mercy, but not Chelsea Manning.

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      1. Minadin   6 hours ago

        Snowden was a civilian contractor who saw something illegal that the government was doing and exposed it.

        Manning was an active and deployed member of our armed forces who gave intelligence to a foreign agent. He violated his oath and the UCMJ. Easily a court-martial offense with prison time if convicted.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

          He released a lot more information than the one program. Some of the information he released was identity and location of troops and other agents.

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        2. JasonT20   4 hours ago

          What, private contractors with high security clearances don't sign documents affirming their duty not to disclose NSA material to anyone not authorized to see it, and that they could be prosecuted if they did? I see no legal difference in terms of a military oath vs civilian security clearance. For the disclosure of information itself, at least. Any additional charges under the UCMJ that relate to failure to follow procedures, disobeying orders, or not following the chain of command, etc, I would expect to be different. I certainly don't see any difference in the duty to protect the nation's secrets from unauthorized access.

          And you are distorting things by referring to Wikileaks as a "foreign agent" vs. not even specifying how Snowden "exposed" the information. That is dishonest argumentation.

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  9. JasonT20   8 hours ago

    The argument is that Snowden should be allowed to pursue, at trial, a defense known as "jury nullification". In the simplest terms, my understanding is that jury nullification is when the jury reaches a verdict that is the opposite of what the law requires because the jurors didn't want to follow the facts alone.

    That can go either way. A jury can think that the law is wrong, that the defendant is sympathetic, or that the authorities are bad, and then they vote to acquit despite clear evidence of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. But the jury could also decide that a defendant is bad, and vote to convict even though the evidence is not sufficient. In the latter situation, the judge should step in and declare the person not guilty despite the verdict. The prosecution could appeal that ruling, naturally. In the former, I think a judge and the government just has to take it and the person will go free. Double jeopardy would prevent any retrial.

    In Snowden's case, like Ellsberg, they aren't arguing that they didn't break the law. Snowden wants to explain to the jury why he broke the law, hoping that the jury will agree that he did the right thing and acquit him despite his guilt. He won't be able to make any statements to the jury himself without also having to testify truthfully about what he did that broke the law, so his 5th Amendment right to remain silent would be waived in order for him to speak during his trial.

    Court precedent seems a bit mixed about jury nullification. It has a history that goes back to colonial times, but judges and state courts have been pushing back on it in the last 100+ years. Some will even include instructions to the jury saying that jury nullification does not exist, and that they have no right or power to vote differently than the law and facts require.

    This is why Snowden is making a big ask. Neither federal prosecutors nor state prosecutors will ever want a precedent set of a defendant being explicitly allowed to argue for their jury to nullify the law that they broke during their trial. I'd say that most ordinary citizens that want jury nullification will only support it when they like or agree with the defendant making that argument. They will insist that the jury follow the law despite any feelings of sympathy they may have with the defendant if the shoe is on the other foot.

    My own view of jury nullification is mixed and unsettled, both in general and in the case of Snowden. I wouldn't want it explicitly allowed, but I also wouldn't want it to be completely removed as an option for juries. The jury trial is an essential bulwark against abusive authoritarian rule. A jury that refuses to go along with punishing people that oppose the regime is resisting that regime. We should all have that kind of courage.

    I just want to be sure of something. If someone thinks that Snowden should be allowed to argue in court that he did the right thing when he broke the law, then will that same someone support defendants making the case to a jury that they did the right thing when they interfered with ICE raids? Blocked traffic during a BLM protest? Leaked information to the press about actions within the Trump administration?

    Or, is support for jury nullification dependent on whether they agree with the actions of the accused?

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    1. Incunabulum   7 hours ago

      The law *never requires a specific verdict*. The law allows the jury to pick a verdict - and even the judge can set aside a guilty verdict if they choose to.

      Conceptually jury nullification *is part of our legal system*, part of how it is designed, not people subverting it.

      It is the jury *judging the law itself* as the final arbiters.

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      1. JasonT20   4 hours ago

        It is the jury *judging the law itself* as the final arbiters.

        That's what is happening when jury nullification occurs. But that isn't how it is supposed to work. The judgement over whether a law is just, fair, important, or a good idea is made by the voters when they decide who to elect that will write the laws.

        Jury nullification, to the extent that can be justified, would act as a check against an executive enforcing the law unjustly, or when the majority of voters is pushing legislators to write unjust laws. And that is only necessary when the judges themselves are not serving their role of applying the Constitution and ruling that government actions violate our rights.

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    2. Incunabulum   7 hours ago

      There is no way to remove it as an option without removing the jury trial altogether. If the judge can direct the jury to a specific judgement then the jury is no longer a jury.

      And yes, everyone should be able to use a 'I broke the law but I did the right thing/the law is evil' argument.

      Keep in mind the jury nullification has always gone both ways - juries can choose to judge innocent people guilty as well as the reverse.

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      1. JasonT20   4 hours ago

        There is no way to remove it as an option without removing the jury trial altogether. If the judge can direct the jury to a specific judgement then the jury is no longer a jury.

        I don't see anyone saying that judges would be directing the jury to a specific verdict if they say something along the lines of, "Your duty is to determine the facts of this case and whether the facts are sufficient evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the defendant has violated the laws as charged. Your duty does not include making a judgement about whether those laws are proper, or whether the defendant is deserving of punishment."

        Mostly, though, you are making points that I already had in my post.

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    3. Kafir   5 hours ago

      That was thoughtful, well-written, and well-reasoned. What are you doing here in the Reason comments section?

      I can't imagine there ever being any momentum in the legal community for a change to the rules of evidence to allow otherwise irrelevant testimony, for the explicit purpose of convincing a jury to return a verdict contrary to the law and the facts. I'm not even sure you could have an exception without just trashing the whole relevance rule.

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  10. sadhak   7 hours ago

    Plot twist: Trump IS the deep state.

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  11. John Rohan   6 hours ago

    If Snowden was truly a whistleblower, he had numerous options other than going to Glenn Greenwald or wikileaks. He could have notified several US congress members who oppose such surveillance and share it with them. They would have gladly taken it from there. He's not a hero. He wanted fame, he wanted to make a point, but it's like using a sledgehammer to chip away at a finely detailed sculture. The problem is that he did significantly more damage than he had to for whistleblowing.

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    1. Quo Usque Tandem   5 hours ago

      So should have done what Obama said and just played by the rules; IOW, nothing would have been made known and certainly nothing would have changed, but you just live in your ideal world.

      Government, the status quo, and doing things by the book are NOT more important than our rights and freedoms. When those are subverted for other priorities or "the greatest good" they are gone.

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    2. Kafir   5 hours ago

      "He could have notified several US congress members ..."

      You mean a steadfast, principled legislator, one who proclaims that a given bill will pass only over his dead body, about two hours before he gets his precious re-election threatened and falls in line? One of those congress members? I can't think of anyone I would trust less with such information than an elected official.

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    3. jack murphy   4 hours ago

      like the epstein files? if ever a sledge was needed...

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  12. jack murphy   4 hours ago

    he could get a thousand more times revenge by releasing the entirety of the epstein files. a bigger cover-up than watergate by magnitudes. his henchmen bondi and patel lost ALL legitimacy on this single issue. reputations are made by many small acts and ruined by one. this is that one.

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  13. Big Ed's Landing   3 hours ago

    Any proposal that is justified by reference to the so-called "Deep State" is bull crap.

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    1. Stupid Government Tricks   3 hours ago

      Your proposal here also justifies itself by its reference to the Deep State.

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