Everybody Is Wrong About Big Tech
Robby Soave doesn't like it when social media deplatforms users, but the far bigger threat comes from lawmakers on a mission.
HD DownloadThe country is currently in the throes of a moral panic over social media, says Reason Senior Editor Robby Soave in his new book, Tech Panic: Why We Shouldn't Fear Facebook and the Future. Instagram is accused of making our daughters bulimic and YouTube is turning our sons into alt-right terrorists. Amazon is forcing us to buy stuff we don't want while Twitter degrades political discourse into an endless series of trolling memes. Conservatives clamor that they are being systematically discriminated against while liberals say social media perpetuates electoral fraud and COVID-19 misinformation. The result of such fearmongering, he tells Nick Gillespie, is increasingly intrusive and bipartisan attempts to regulate online speech and business models.
Conservatives like Gov. Ron DeSantis (R–Fla.) and Gov. Greg Abbott (R–Texas) have signed controversial legislation banning social media platforms from suspending or moderating the accounts of political candidates. Supreme Court Associate Justice Clarence Thomas has suggested private businesses like Twitter and YouTube should be classified as common carriers, subject to strict regulation by the federal government.
Liberal legislators in Colorado have proposed creating a "digital communications commission" that would have the power to change how platforms do business in the name of fighting "hate speech" and "misinformation." Lawmakers in at least 38 states have introduced over 100 laws in the past couple of years to regulate online speech and related issues.
In Tech Panic, Soave says such attacks are nothing more than modern-day witch hunts whose main accusations fall apart under even mild scrutiny. They are contemporary versions of past freakouts over video games, rock music, and comic books. "We shouldn't fear Facebook and the future," writes Soave, who criticizes social media for deplatforming people rather than supporting free speech. The bigger threat, he says, comes not from private companies but from politicians, woke mobs, social conservatives, and activists whose real goal is to limit speech they don't like.
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But I thought Big Tech was a fascist arm of the government run by the Democrat party with one and only one purpose: to be mean to conservatives.
as usual you take the reason koch line like a good little idiot.
When it comes to depth of thought, sarcasmic hangs out in the kiddie pool with his good pals Mogen David and Jim Beam.
There's introspection lurking in the deep end and that scares him a lot.
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no, it just seems like that sometimes
Those who subscibe to social media are its owner's lawful prey
Boycott the lot, and let them stew, without revenue, in their own asinine juices.
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My favorite subterfuge - the notion that the public sector and the private sector are two distinct entities. It keeps the peasants chasing their tails while getting screwed from both ends.
Yes, I stay wide awake at night, worrying that the owner of the corner grocery store will jail me for not buying his products!
What the fuck does that have to do with what he just said?
Can you READ, MarxistMammaryBahnFuhrer the Jesus-Killer!?!?!?
"My favorite subterfuge – the notion that the public sector and the private sector are two distinct entities."
So Marxist assholes like YOU (and Nemo Aequalis) want to spread the idea that it is total FICTION that the property of private owners are owned by the private owners... Since Government Almighty might, from time to time, threaten private owners with "legal action"... You know, grade-school brats can threaten each other with lawsuits, too... This PROVES that all private owners are already bought and paid for by Government Almighty, right?
As soon as we buy your total bullshit LIES, we'll all say, "Well, OK then, since they all belong to Government Almighty already anyway, let's just make it official, and let Government Almighty drive the whole show!" Right, MARXISTMammaryBahnFuhrer the Jesus-Killer!?!?!?
(And MarxistMammaryBahnFuhrer the Jesus-Killer is totally WAAAAYYY too stupid to realize that SHE, even as imaginary Queen of the Echo Chamber, will NOT be controlling Government Almighty, after Government Almighty grabs control of all private property!)
I can read just fine, but your crazy-ass non sequiturs and all-caps invective still don't make a lick of sense, you delusional old retard.
So you still believe that, if Joe Biden or a grade-school kid threatens FacePoooo with "legal action", then this PROVES that FacePoooo is now the Property of Government Almighty, and so then, therefor, Hocus Pocus, miracle happens here, MarxistMammaryBahnFuhrer the Jesus-Killer and Her Royal Echo Chamber shall now control FacePoooo in the name of Government Almighty?
Let's see if cutting out the insults and poo-talk will tell me what the old retard's trying to say:
"So you still believe that, if Joe Biden or a grade-school kid threatens --- with “legal action”, then this PROVES that --- is now the Property of Government Almighty, and so then, therefor, ---, miracle happens here, --- the ---- and --- shall now control --- in the name of Government Almighty?"
Nope. Still nonsensical.
"Hocus Pocus" is now a cuss-word, an insult, or poo-talk? Who knew?
None are so blind as those who refuse to see! Simply, for those who WANT to understand... Which clearly excludes you...
Just because someone threatened to sue someone, or otherwise pressured them... Does NOT prove ANYTHING about what is, and what is not, private v/s public domain! This kind of excuse-making is offered up by power-grabbers, who want to excuse their power-grabbing! Since someone threatened to sue your grocery store, if the grocer doesn't do what they want... The grocery store should now obey MY Will, as enforced by Government Almighty! Since the threats of lawsuits and pressures clearly PROVE that the grocery store is already part and parcel of Government Almighty anyway! If only the Queen of the Echo Chamber can grab Government Almighty and CONTROL it ALL, THEN all will be PERFECT!
If you don't "get it", it is simply because you don't WANT to!
The shit-muncher loves his government-backed monopolies!
Where did I complain about "cuss-words", you crazed old Donkey fucker?
Big Tech basically wants the same things Koch-funded libertarians want — cost-effective foreign-born labor, skyrocketing billionaire wealth, Democrats running Washington DC. Of course we shouldn't fear them.
#BezosKnowsBest
#ZuckerbergKnowsBest
All businesses want to make a profit. That's the reason they exist. So yes, that is what big tech wants. Brilliant deduction!
This. They're the same thing now, Nick.
Christ, I knew you guys didn't handle monopoly situations well, but I thought you could at least recognize incipient fascism.
Weird; this was supposed to be a reply to Nemo. Whatever...
>>The bigger threat
is the conglomeration.
Big Tech is Big Government now.
No shit. Just yesterday armed men from Facebook smashed down my door and demanded I use their product and click on their advertising... or else...
jeffsarc living on his knees.
sarcasmic's politics are like those of a spinster aunt who watches too much CNN and The View.
That's where he's squatting after losing his wife and kids to chronic alcoholism and D-sucking.
Or, they acted as a spy conduit for the security state, which is why they were funded by In-Q-Tel and various spook front men to begin with.
And landed or didn't land the big data storage contract from the government, and faced or didn't face antitrust action to break them up. That's not government coercion, that's just the free market at work...
Are you forced to use their platform?
Every competing platform gets deplatformed by its host or its bank or gets sued into oblivion by the government or...
I read about that happening once.
Parlor, Alex Jones, etc.
I like how you're just fine with collusive government to shut down political speech of your perceived enemies. Such a good little fascist.
Parlor is what I was thinking of, though I’m still not sure what the truth is about them getting shut down. I’m positive the truth is far from anything you have to say. Alex Jones is a fucking idiot. Fuck him and fuck people like you who believe his nonsense.
Where did I say i believed his nonsense? You seem to have issues with reading comprehension. Is that a side effect of alcoholism. I can name more, but you enjoy being ignorant to defend your defense of shutting down people you disagree with.
I’m still not sure what the truth is about them getting shut down.
I mean, every single report on Jan 6th says that FB was far more utilized by the group, yet they singled out Parlor who was trying to become a direct competitor to Twitter who happened to be a huge client on AWS. But you again enjoy being ignorant.
There is also Gab and other companies that have also been colluded against. The abortion whistleblower site. And many many more.
But you happily clap along to censorship when you despise the group that gets hit. You're a good little fascist.
Talk about projection. Unlike you I don’t hate people based on politics. I don’t judge someone’s political views based upon their car and like or hate them accordingly. No. You’re the one who is full of hate. Like your murderous buddies Nardz and Sevo.
But keep accusing me of what you believe.
It’s quite entertaining.
I hate you because you're a shitposting troll and one of the biggest losers I've ever had the misfortune to run across.
Not because of your pedestrian wine-mom politics.
Unlike you I don’t hate people based on politics.
This could be the biggest lie you've ever told. Look at every thread you go into. Look at this morning's roundup. Wow. You are delusional.
You’re the one who is full of hate.
Cite? I have you wishing someone would beat me up, need a link?
But keep accusing me of what you believe.
I literally quote your posts dummy. You're the one fine with government/corporate collusion to go after a political party you call out daily. I have never once called for a liberal site to be booted or removed. I mean, you just said you were fine with Alex Jones being booted. LOL.
You could be one of the most delusional people that has ever existed. You don't remember what you wrote about even this morning.
So you took my quip about comparing mass vaccination to mass murder personally?
And I’m the delusional one?
Yeah buddy, whatever you say.
You really have reading comprehension buddies sarc. I even asked you if you understood germany didn't start at the ovens... then you essentially asserted you were fine with anything up until that point. Like a good little fascist.
What are the odds that sarcasmic doesn't actually know what happened in 1940's Germany, and thinks everyone else is using buzzwords?
Let me know when they round up the unvaccinated and put them in ovens.
Lol. And he says it again.
Sarc is just fine with tattoos, ghettos, forced science experiments, public ostracization, assaults,etc. His line is ovens.
Never call yourself libertarian again.
Some spank material for you sarc. Someone shot for being against vaccine mandates. It isnt ovens after all.
https://nypost.com/2021/09/27/antifa-member-benjamin-varela-charged-with-shooting-protester/
Are you forced to use their platform?
In a way, yes, you stupid fuck.
You may never visit Facebook and Google in your life but that doesn't mean they haven't been filling your browser with tracking cookies and following you around the internet.
It's no mysterious corporate secret that they have files on everyone and share them with the feds, even if you don't have an account with them. There are articles everywhere on it. How could you be so ignorant?
Oh no!
Corporations track online behavior so they can do targeted advertising!
The horror!
Trying to sell us stuff!
Make it stop!
Again, sarcasmic is fine with collusive government/corporate behavior if it hurts his enemies.
Did you miss the part where they share it with the Feds on purpose, or just cause yuh can't read real good an stuff?
You're too stupid to troll here, sarcasmic. Go try FunnyJunk. ===>
No I ignored your paranoid fantasies.
Sarcasmic could've searched whether or not Facebook and Google shared user data with the feds, but he's too stupid and lazy. Fuck even the NYT and WaPo have articles on it.
Does anyone still doubt at this point he's anything other than a piss-poor troll?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2011/07/12/how-facebook-secretly-aids-government-searches/
sarcasmic acts as an apologist for the surveillance state.
When was the last time you made a post that wasn't hyperbole or a strawman?
Probably around the same time you said something honest.
No, it definitely wasn't today. Try to think really hard.
Like I said…
Like you lied about you mean?
When did you ever tell the truth?
If someone doesn’t say abc you accuse them of xyz.
Then you switch the burden of proof.
Otherwise known as putting words into someone’s mouth. Or being a lying sack of shit.
That’s your entire shtick, and it’s tiresome.
Yes I’m hyperbolic. Yes I exaggerate. I’ve never claimed otherwise. But that doesn’t make me a liar.
Lol. I literally post your comments back to you all the time you've denied making dummy.
Such delusion.
The problem is the Democrats and the Tech monopolies working hand in hand to censor their opposition so as to establish political dominance in this country.
“Instagram is accused of making our daughters bulimic and YouTube is turning our sons into alt-right terrorists…” is classic straw man/red herring bullshit. The threat of single party control is real and eminent, and it’s enabling by the tech monopolies needs to be addressed now.
We’ve seen the indisputable assaults on civil rights and freedom of information because of the bullshit kungflu. What do you think the single party control is going to look like when there’s a real emergency, like a war or serious disease?
Yeah sell that book Robbie. But never forget, Fuck Joe Biden.
Fuck Joe Biden.
Colluding with government spies and bureaucrats does not make big tech a good bet. Also they are controlled by foreign entities and as such should be regulated accordingly.
The guy who funds this rag doesn’t give a shit.
Meanwhile, the only libertarian at Reason, John Stossel, is suing Facebook for defamation
Are those crickets? I could swear they sound like crickets.
"Yeah, well, the narrative you know... plus our paychecks" - t. Reason
"Too local."
(Which is a better slur against their lack of coverage of the 1/6 protesters being held since then, without bail or trial. And Reason was trying so hard to convince us that bail reform was such a pressing issue...)
I have a great libertarian idea. It's currently illegal at the federal level to grow and distribute marijuana. Let's change the law so that it's legal for Archer Daniels Midland to grow and distribute marijuana. I mean, sure, in principle, everyone should be free to grow and distribute marijuana. But, hey, one participant not wrongfully barred from an activity is better than none, right?
I fear Big Government more than Big Tech in much the same way I'd fear a man pointing a .44 Magnum at me more than a man pointing a .357 Mag.
"...controversial legislation banning social media platforms from suspending or moderating the accounts of political candidates."
Protecting the rights of voters to hear from candidates in the opposition party is controversial now? Would it be controversial if the government leaned on social media companies to censor and deplatform opposition candidates? What if it were China or Russia or Iran doing it instead of the USA?
Are nick and robbie aware that Google literally changed their search algorithm to help Biden win the election?
Or that all the major tech corporations banned any discussion of news stories that were unfavorable to the Biden campaign?
Are you maybe confused? The way I heard it was that fluoridated water is chock-full of tiny little Hunter Biden homunculi (one each per each fluorine atom, with a tiny sub-atomic Hunter Biden working the tiny little brain-control levers, and chucking an evil laugh), and it was them who FORCED tens of millions of fluoridated-water-drinking voters to NOT vote for Trump!
No you idiot. It was armed Google and Facebook goons going door to door that forced millions of Trump voters to choose Biden. After all, they’re part of the government. Don’t you know anything?
Shocking! more hyperbole and strawman!
You ask for honesty above?? LOL. By the way, you ran away earlier. Do you still want the post showing you to be a good post modernist who only cares about facts that you've personally experienced? You claimed you never made it. Do you want to double down?
Sorry for having a life outside these comments.
Umm... having a memory longer than a goldfish is something most humans have. You can apologize for having ravaged your brain with alcohol. But at least you are conceding you made the comment now instead of lying like earlier. And you posted after I made the comment in the thread. LOL.
Whatever. Your obsession with me is unhealthy. Seek help.
And he lost the argument.
It isn't obsession. It takes very little effort to make you look like a hypocrite/liar/fool since you are one.
Lost the argument? What argument. You made it into a discussion about me personally. That’s not an argument.
Yeah, you definitely lost the argument. You always start attention whoring when you're at a loss on how to proceed.
Attention whoring? No need when you two drop turds on all my posts.
You’re the ones drawing attention to me.
Your first post is thread shitting you ignorant fuck.
Sorry for having a life outside these comments.
LOL, since when, you useless drunkard? You're on here getting in slapfights with Jesse literally every single day.
Why would they be anything but supportive? Anything for the DNC.
You get what you pay for.
Government is force.
Big Tech is not.
Sure. Forcing Big Tech to be mean to helpless little conservatives hurts their fragile feelings, but comparing that to fascism? Saying Big Tech is something to be feared? Please. Cry more.
You really are too ignorant to understand what fascism is.
Do you truly believe there is no collusive force between industry and government? You can't be that dumb can you? Or is it you are fine with it because it is hurting your perceived enemies?
You’re the one who likes to hurt people. Not me. More projection.
If you were honest you’d say that your definition of fascism has been alive and well in this country for decades, and both parties are guilty.
But you aren’t.
I remember when social media supported republicans, yes I do!
Sure journalists are overwhelmingly Democrats. Can say that about a lot of professions. Doesn’t make them all fascists who take orders from the government.
And the fact that you can easily find media that supports conservatives blows that nonsense apart. If what you claim was true, talk radio wouldn’t exits.
Now show the same collusive behavior in talk radio where conservative radio banded to boot off leftist radio like SV is doing. Go on, you're the one equating the two. Air America failed due to lack of listeners, not from being censored.
You made the comparison, explain.
Show me where CNN and MSNBC colluded to boot FOX News off cable.
Oh fuck. You have the memory of a goldfish.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/cnn-wants-fox-news-censored-while-ignoring-its-own-role-in-spreading-misinformation
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/01/08/cnn-openly-lobbying-to-ban-fox-news-newsmax-oan-from-airwaves-with-dem-stamp-of-approval-1014098/
https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/08/power-drunk-democrats-join-cnn-in-lobbying-to-ban-fox-news-from-the-airwaves/
Did they succeed? If not then it’s just hot air.
It's happening right now, you stupid fuck.
But stop moving the goalposts. You didn't mention success or not, you just said that they hadn't tried.
I didn’t say try. You’re just covering you ass with a maple leaf.
Your dishonesty is tiresome.
Good night.
You weasely, mendacious little troll. Do you actually think people can't read what you wrote?
That you're somehow tricking everyone?
"Yeah but U R canadian, and I not lying, U R".
You're far too stupid to be trolling here sarcasmic. Try Gaia Online or something. ===>
Succeed wasn’t your goal post sarc, you said “Show me where CNN and MSNBC colluded to boot FOX News off cable.”
Now I didn’t read ML’s links, so maybe they don’t show that, but if the link headlines are true, then there has been collusion to try and get them booted, even if it hasn’t gotten anywhere yet.
I literally used SV in my post you dishonest shit.
Who have I ever hurt? Citation?
And please, give one example as to the level of current collusion in the past from the other side. We know you love the Golden Mean fallacy, so give an example.
In the past the major media was almost always on the side of the Democrats. Maybe the red scare in Hollywood post WW2. That's about the only time you may have a point, but that was fairly bipartisan for the major parties.
Every argument ends with “You’re a worthless drunk.” You’re doing that to be nice, or to be hurtful? It doesn’t hurt by the way, but it is your intent. You’re just a mean person. And like the bumper sticker says….
But please keep projecting. My lurker friends get a good laugh out of it.
I'm doing it to hurt you're widdle feewings sarcasmic.
Of course sarcasmic would be one of those twats who think that a mean tweet is the same as physical violence.
So you’re trying to be hurtful but it doesn’t count as trying to be hurtful because it isn’t physical?
Mean words on the internet? Yes, you enormous fucking pansy.
Pointing out what. Dishonest hypocrite is is just that. If you stopped acting like a little shit weasel people wouldn't call you a shit weasel.
"My lurker friends"
Bwaaahahahahahahahahaha... *gasp* hahahahahahahahaha...
You're so fucking pathetic, sarcasmic.
I'm keeping that post for sure.
Go for it. At least I have friends.
Lol, imaginary friends by you're own admission.
You're even more pathetic than I imagined, if that is even possible.
Sure, sarcasmic has tons of friends here, they just are hidden and never post because reasons.
The SSFS, the Sarcasmic's Secret Friends Society.
Tons? Wow. I didn’t know I had tons of lurker friends all around the country. I thought it was just a handful of people who I know personally.
Good night.
Have fun accusing me of stuff.
Run away trollboy, and don't forget to take your SSFS with you.
Of course we'll never know, because they're secret lurkers who nobody knew about until you
inventedmentioned them.They live in Canada. You wouldn't know them.
I honestly can't stop laughing Jesse. I knew he was lonely and pathetic, but making up imaginary friends takes the cake.
What are the chances he tries to blame it on Tulpa tomorrow?
He was hacked. We know this.
You are a worthless drunk. Are your feelings hurt? Oh nooooooo.
We’ve had soft fascism since at least FDR. No Republican administration has been so open and blatant about it like the Democrats have been in my lifetime.
For fucks sake, the Press Secretary of the sitting President said they flag Facebook posts for review.
These are digital bulletin boards and the service big tech is selling is that....while a company should be able to decide what their customer's post..the issue is if there is disparate impact according to the CRA of 1964....if say Catholics are being deplatformed more than Jews..well then there is discrimination. I would bet those getting censored are disproporationally one ethnicity or race...time for federal action I think
... And the more the Government dictates it; the WORSE it'll get.
As-if that lesson needs any more evidence.
“ The country is currently in the throes of a moral panic over social media”
Bullshit!
The elite in power are scrambling to control the narrative, manage propaganda, in an environment of social media without being caught violating our inalienable right to free speech.
This is nothing more than an advertisement for Soave's new book. The "arguments" aren't even those I'm concerned with seeing the likes of Twitter "banning." I'm more concerned with platforms banning those that offer competing narratives to the government (White House/CDC/fawning media) talking points, as if theirs is the last word on Covid or corruption. Soave so often seems to miss the mark on his attempts.
We're in unknown waters. Social media is having an outsized impact on our society and culture, and it's moving so fast we won't know its impact until after the damage is done.
Personally, I'd like to see the platforms make an effort to monitor misinformation. But because postings that make you angry get responses at 10 times the rate of ones that don't - I don't see that happening voluntarily. These companies sell clicks.