After Hamas Attack, There Are No Good Options in the Middle East

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After Hamas Attack, There Are No Good Options in the Middle East

In this week's The Reason Roundtable, editors Matt Welch, Katherine Mangu-Ward, Nick Gillespie, and Peter Suderman bemoan the atrocities committed by the militant group Hamas over the weekend in Israel and discuss the removal of Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R–Calif.) from his role as speaker of the House.

0:19: A massacre in Israel

23:29: Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy ousted

37:22: Weekly Listener Question

50:23: This week's cultural recommendations

Mentioned in this podcast:

"Death Toll Passes 1,100," by Liz Wolfe

"Does America Need To Be Involved in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict?" by Matthew Petti

"Biden's Foreign Policy Is Adrift," by Bonnie Kristian

"Bitcoin: A Weapon for Peace in the Israel-Palestine Conflict," by Noor Greene

"A Surly Showdown for Speaker," by Katherine Mangu-Ward, Nick Gillespie, Peter Suderman, and Matt Welch

"Why Justin Amash Should Be the Next Speaker of the House," by Matt Welch

"CPAC Confidential: Because Small-Government Conservatives Think the Gov't Should Be Big Enough To Hate on the Gays," by Nick Gillespie

"Steve Scalise's Legislative Record Is a Bigger Problem Than His Past Speaking Gigs," by Nick Gillespie

Kevin McCarthy as Comet Kohoutek, tweet by Nick Gillespie

A Postcard from Earth and Sphere robots, by Sarah Rose Siskind

"Love Is All Around…," by Nick Gillespie

"TV's Dysfunctional Family Affair," by Charles Oliver

Send your questions to [e-mail]. Be sure to include your social media handle and the correct pronunciation of your name.

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Audio production by Ian Keyser; assistant production by Hunt Beaty.

Music: "Angeline," by The Brothers Steve

What are we consuming this week?

Nick Gillespie

• The Sphere Experience / Postcard from Earth by Darren Aronofsky

Peter Suderman

• Reptile

Katherine Mangu-Ward

• “A Most Egalitarian Profession: Pharmacy and the Evolution of a Family-Friendly Occupation,” in Journal of Labor Economics Volume 34, Number 3 July 2016 by Claudia Goldin and Lawrence F. Katz

Matt Welch

• Being Mary Tyler Moore

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Comments

[JesseAz]

Yelling boaf sides is obviously the best action.

[mad.casual]

Yeah. There are good answers. There just aren't good answers that allow Reason to feel like they're supporting diversity and globalism by siding with people who would forcibly kidnap and threaten to murder and/or straight up murder innocent civilians.

[Rob Misek]

Israel is a xenophobic stolen apartheid state. Jews have oppressed and terrorized Palestinians since they stole Palestine and started the Middle East conflict in 1948.

What business do we have promising unconditional support for a satanic religious cult? What do we get out of it?

Jews are all members of the same religious cult, Judaism, it isn’t a race.

While god in Christianity is the spirit of truth and Satan is the father of lies, the holiest Jewish prayer on their holiest day is clearly a plan to lie to people.

Here is the Kol Nidre text. Jews lie to themselves and others by claiming that it is about lying to god, not people. But the simplest logic demonstrates that lies can’t work on omnipresent beings like god who exist simultaneously in the past present and future.

“All vows, obligations, oaths, and anathemas [curses]which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect: they shall not bind us nor have any power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligations; nor the oaths be oaths.”

Lying is coercion. It is compelling people with the false authority of truth to act in the liar’s interests instead of their own.

What wealth couldn’t you have if you could compel anyone to act in your interest instead of their own?

Freemasonry is a secret society of satanists who compel others with lies to act in their interests. It is an ancient pyramid scheme for wealth and power. It is rampant worldwide, one third of the founders were Freemasons and the group is symbolized with the pyramid on the US 1$ bill.

Jewish leaders have publicly claimed ownership of freemasonry. Secrets require lies and lies require secrets.

Here is an informative video made by a Freemason Altiyan Child’s who used the pyramid scheme to achieve wealth and fame but who later felt guilty and decided to expose it to the world instead.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPisjVhIZSc

How do we stop satanism? Simply, we criminalize lying.

Jews will need to find a new religion and won’t be getting unconditional support from anyone.

[Rob Misek]

I would prefer to hear from both sides before making a decision.

Which mainstream media outlet is interviewing the Palestinians in Israel, particularly the West Bank who have experienced 75 years of Jewish terrorism, apartheid and oppression while their homes and communities are bulldozed and new Jewish ones are built in their place?

Let’s hear from the Palestinians to recount what Jews have done since they promised to bring the US into WW1 in exchange for the British promise of Palestine via the Balfour Declaration.

Hell, since that won’t happen in our environment of propaganda and censorship, listen to an uncommon Jew tell the truth.

Miko Peled is an Israeli, an author, a public speaker and the son of a famous Israeli general.

He is also opposed to Israeli apartheid of Palestinians.

In the following video he puts into perspective what you won’t see in our western propaganda.

Between 40:40 and 43:45 in the video he describes Israeli terrorism.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ

[TheReEncogitationer]

Once and again...

Fuck Off, Nazi!

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[VULGAR MADMAN]

Shut up you dumb nazi faggot.

[JesseAz]

This.

[Rob Misek]

You can’t refute it so you try, feeble, coercion.

Hahaha. Typical for Kol Nidre boy.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

You’re the literal poster child for the benefits of abortion.

[prfd1]

The Democrats support Hamas and Iran and the final solution.
The Republicans support the Jewish people....
Sorry...... those're just the facts and they're not about to change anytime soon.
It's a never ending fight.

[Beezard]

Third Positionist weenis can’t see he’s really in the same gnostic cult as the neo-commies. Just an even lamer branch.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Ackshuyally, Nazism billed itself as a “Third Way” alternative opposed to both Capitalism and Communism, both of which Nazism saw as Jewish exploiters of the Aryan Pure Supermen. So you are on to something there.

[Mother's Lament (proud Kol Nidre for Misek)]

I'll be Kol Nidre if it means pissing off human garbage like you, Misek. It's not a fucking insult if you're not subhuman.

Also, your bullshit lies have been refuted, stop pretending that they haven't.

[JesseAz]

I'm still not convinced he isnt a shrike sock.

[Rob Misek]

You are a lying waste of skin Kol Nidre boy.

Hey, you’re the fuckwit who says “you just wait till next time!” Hahaha

“Next time” is here.

You lying wastes of skin can only prove your claims by simply providing a link and describing specifically what you claim has been refuted.

You never have and I’m not holding my breath.

Mother’s Lament 1 day ago
“A simple link”
It happens over and over and over again every time you post your halfwit claims. And not just by me, but fifteen to twenty other people, as I’m pretty sure everyone here will attest.
And although I haven’t kept links of every time your Nazi ass has been handed to you in the past, I’m certainly going to start now. Look forward to it.”

Maybe next time eh fuckwitS. Hahaha

[TheReEncogitationer]

That says a lot about you that you regard mere non-threatening words as "coercion."

The so-called Ice Person Aryan Pure Superman is as Snowflakey as any Social Justice Warrior!

Pardon Me While I Laugh
https://youtu.be/QTqG9clPWDU?si=sth4Cekr4El0lYJL

And now that I'm finished for now...

Fuck Off, Nazi!

[Rob Misek]

It’s truly pathetic how desperate you are to refute something, anything that I say.

And truly delicious that you can’t.

Lying is what you do Kol Nidre boy. You take it for granted and have forgotten that lying, no matter how feeble, is coercion.

I am neither Nazi or faggot. Saying that I am, without proof is a lie. It is a feeble insult intended to somehow compel me to act in your interest not my own.

Like when I tell you to “fuck off Kol Nidre boy” I’m saying go away because you’re truly a proven lying waste of skin and contribute nothing of value to any discussion.

But you have no shame and being a liar is what you accept you are.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Say Nol Kidre again. Maybe it will mean something this time.

[TheReEncogitationer]

For the record, I didn't call you a faggot. That would be an insult to LGBTQ+ people to take our special slur and apply it to you.
🙂
😉
I did say you were a Snowflakey Ice Person Aryan Pure Superman though, as is every advocate of Totalitarianism who supports actual forcible suppression of opposing views.

Therefore, I'll add an addendum to my usual salutation:

Fuck Off, Snowflake Nazi!

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[n00bdragon]

War is hell. There's nothing libertarian about it or cases to be made during it. I would hope that every sensible person is rooting for the safety of the innocent, but because its war you know that a lot of innocent people are going to suffer, many of them will be killed, that's the nature of the beast. There's nothing wrong with being saddened by that.

That said, there is definitely a breed of internet grifter out there who doth protest too much for the plight of the poor benighted Palestinian family who just so happens to live underneath a rocket launcher. I don't think Reason is among them, but I get where your skepticism comes from.

[JesseAz]

I contend self defense is an entirely libertarian action.

[n00bdragon]

It is! But anyone who thinks Israel is going to stop at merely expelling all the terrorists from its borders is a fool. The game is afoot now. Israel's response isn't going to be a "security operation" or a "surgical strike" (nor should it be). War can be both entirely necessary and abominable at the same time. I hope that the war is short and that it kills only as many as it needs to, and that when its over everyone can let their grievances go. I know full well one or more of those things might not come to pass, but it's worth hoping for.

[JesseAz]

War is dirty. Asking for minima escalations of defense is only going to extend the fight as it has for decades. Yes innocents should not be targeted, but the fact is they chose to elect Hamas. They chose to let Hamas use them as human shields. They choose to not report where Hamas soldiers are stationed. They let Hamas hide among them when they do gain entry into Israel. Those are all choices supporting the attacker.

Israel should not hunder their response based on the actions Hamas takes. Hamas chose this war. They chose to kidnap and rape even children. There is no outrage in Palestine over it, in fact it is applauded.

Israel should be allowed the full force to end the enemy who openly declared war against them.

[Nardz]

Ethnic conflicts (aka blood feuds) aren't resolved until one ethnicity is all that is left in the contentious region.
I took a violence studies course in college. The professors were obviously leftist, and worked hard to push the "all violence is unproductive and unjustified" myth. We had a guest speaker one day who they hyped up as one of the leading poly Sci professors in the country. She's the one who brought up that 90%+ of ethnic conflicts are only resolved when one ethnicity is completely expelled or wiped out.
So I asked if it was reasonable to conclude peaceful coexistence is impossible in Israel/Palestine. She said yes.
The course professors flipped out, but they'd already established her credibility.

[ravenshrike]

If by terrorists you mean non-uniformed combatants of the duly elected representatives of the Gaza Strip backed by the people the US just gave 6 billion dollars to, then yes, the terrorists. And no, they won't stop. Because the only reason that the Palestinians haven't reenacted the Nazi's gas chamber policy is they lack the capability to do so.

[John C. Randolph]

The total destruction of Hamas as a coherent organization in the next 48 hours, and the hunting of their remnants just like they did to Eichmann, is a gift from Israel to the Palestinians, who had no hope of toppling their totalitarian rulers on their own.

This is the best chance the people of Gaza will ever get for peace and freedom, and it may even scare Fatah enough to clean up their act.

It is indeed possible to end a death cult; the USA did it to Germany and Japan starting in '45. It's time consuming and expensive, but sometimes you just have to take out the trash.

-jcr

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo]

At this point, self defense for Israel must be the complete extermination of Hamas and their Allies.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Could Hamas be too stupid to realize that?

[JeremyR]

Hamas rightly thinks that the left in most countries is on their side, not to mention all the muslims who have immigrated to the West, which will bring pressure to bear on Israel not to crush Hamas completely.

Plus the usual suspects, Russia, China, Iran, all of which have a lot of political power these days

This happened because Hamas saw weakness in the West and Israel, basically turning a blind eye to what Russia has done in Ukraine. And they thought "Hey, good time to act, since the West is weak and decadent and some of it is on our side"

[VULGAR MADMAN]

I think they’re all going to end up dead.

Not that it would upset me.

[Nardz]

Long, but quick read.

https://twitter.com/APhilosophae/status/1711184391831994703?t=EYHaRh3aS4u7aqdyZqcP6Q&s=19

The Palestinian attack on Israel has thrown the entire world community into confusion. Those who were previously perceived as peasants in wicker slippers, capable at best of blowing up a bus stop, destroyed one of the myths about the State of Israel in a few hours. How did this even become possible?

Arab sabotage groups crossed the Gaza border, simply breaking it. Like a peasant, they destroyed all these iron buildings with tractors and took them apart with screwdrivers.

Mobile groups in “carts” rushed into the gaps. Indeed, there were breakthroughs from the sea on motor boats and even exotic paragliding flights. But these are isolated stories, although important in the overall context. But for the most part it was simple: a tractor and physical strength. Israel did not guard the border with Gaza as it should have.

A few kilometers from the border there were up to a dozen fortified posts and military bases where reservists were sleeping for the Sabbath and holidays. The location and arrangement of these fortified points and bases was no secret. There was little external security or guard service.

Israeli defense points are a barracks behind a fence with a medieval tower on which there is a machine gun. It is controlled automatically from the barracks, just like on a warship. It looks technologically advanced but an ordinary commercial quadcopter drops a grenade on a machine gun turret - and there is no longer any defense of the “fortified” point. The Palestinians then enter the barracks and shoot the sleeping soldiers. And so on along the entire border of Gaza. In total, the Palestinians killed up to half of the “fortified” posts they assaulted in under an hour.

Located a little deeper, larger military bases like Kerem Shalom were lightly guarded. Apparently they were a second-level reserve. That is, after a threat was received from the first level, they should have been alerted. But no one had time to announce the alarm. The outer guards were penetrated by old Soviet hand grenade launchers, and the soldiers were again killed in the barracks. Merkava tanks and Namer armored personnel carriers became trophies.

A single tank, going somewhere about its business, was burned by a grenade, also dropped from a drone. Yes, the Palestinians were lucky: they hit the fuel tanks. But then it turned out that the Merkava does not have protection for its external tanks, and in general they are in no way adapted for defense against such very primitive drones. It’s just that the Israelis have never encountered anything like this, and it never even occurred to them to protect their tanks from drones.

Groups of Palestinians disembarked from boats entered the centers of large cities on the coast. Controlling a city does not necessarily mean cleaning it up. The attackers burned down the police building in Ashkelon and simply stationed themselves in the city center near a pizzeria, shooting at everyone around them. The number of civilian casualties in Israel already numbers hundreds.

Kibbutzim and Jewish settlements were not protected at all. But once upon a time these were the most fortified settlements in the world. There were self-defense units there, and a supply of weapons was kept in the rabbi's house. And now the Arabs simply drove the settlers deep into Gaza to create an exchange fund. Spontaneous pogroms began in the Negev and in the settlements around Jerusalem, for which the Jewish population was also unprepared.

At the same time, several thousand rockets from Gaza fell on Israel at once. It turned out that the Iron Dome system, which for many years was presented as the most advanced in the world, cannot cope. Rockets began to fall as far as Haifa, that is, the entire territory of Israel from south to north was defenseless. Yes, these missiles are primitive, but when there are thousands of them, any air defense system is useless. Twelve air defense missiles cannot shoot down two thousand targets at a time.

As a result, the entire so-called line of defense against Gaza was simply destroyed by the Palestinians in three hours, and the fire was transferred deep into Israeli territory. Then some of the Arab DRGs returned to Gaza with trophies and prisoners, and the most persistent ones entrenched themselves in several settlements at predetermined points such as local police stations and military bases.

What happened only at first glance may seem like a chaotic peasant operation of the “raid” type. The Arabs knew the goals in advance, they had advance routes, and the groups coordinated their actions. They knew the communication frequencies and security passwords. All this means that the development of the plan and reconnaissance of the area took at least six months.

MOSSAD and Shin Bet (or Shin Bet, Israel's counterintelligence) consider one of their priority goals to be control over Hamas's acquisition of weapons and materials for the production of missiles. And preemptive strikes on Gaza are carried out mainly on missile production sites and warehouses. So how did it happen that Hamas was able to launch several thousand rockets into Israel in two bursts in one day?

Hundreds of people were involved in preparing the attack. From those who bought weapons to the commanders of individual “carts” who received “waybills.” The larger the operation, the more people know about it. But MOSSAD and Shin Bet did not know about this. Undoubtedly, we are faced with a failure of Israeli counterintelligence. When this happened 50 years ago, intelligence leaders later resigned, including the legendary Isser Harel, but it was too late.

What should the intelligence services and the Israel Defense Forces have done? Human intelligence should have noticed the exceptionally high activity of Palestinian groups several months ago. Electronic intelligence and electronic warfare systems were supposed to reveal unusual negotiation activity and the emergence of new code words in it. The guard duty regulations had to be observed, despite the Sabbath and dances on Yom Kippur. External security of the unit's temporary location is necessarily guarded along the perimeter. In a country with unlimited financial resources and access to modern technology, there should have been a system of external surveillance abroad.

Thus, Israel suffered losses that were more important than just tragic losses in manpower and equipment. The Palestinian attack destroyed ideas about how Israel's security forces work and how capable they are.

It turned out that the Israeli security forces were resting on the laurels of the victories of past generations. Intelligence and counterintelligence are ineffective, and the Israeli military has slept through the changes in combat tactics occurring in current conflicts right now.

Israel missed a sensitive blow, comparable only to the Yom Kippur War, the half-century anniversary of which all this was timed. Chaos reigned in Tel Aviv for several hours. The IDF command was in a coma. Until now, he has not given a clear answer as to how all this could have happened. Yes, loud political statements have already been made, and it is already clear that Israel’s response will be cruel and demonstrative, and in the near future. However, the first strike has already been missed, and yet it was prepared under the very nose of Israeli intelligence and counterintelligence.

Right now, the Israeli command is making a difficult decision: to invade Gaza on the ground or limit itself to only rocket attacks from the air. Netanyahu makes it clear that he is ready to wipe Gaza off the face of the earth, which automatically means a bloodbath, including among the civilian population. From a political point of view, Israel cannot limit itself to retaliating with rocket attacks on Gaza and demonstrating firepower by redeploying elite tank brigades like the Golani to the south. As they clear settlements of Arab groups, MOSSAD will discover entire basements and ditches filled with the bodies of Israeli soldiers.

The Israelis have not suffered such losses for many decades. This is a very sensitive topic, and in response you simply cannot shoot and then say “we won.” Therefore, Israel's response must be much more powerful and convincing than it was before in previous aggravations of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

It is clear that Israel is technologically stronger. If he is consistent, sooner or later a level of destruction in Gaza will be achieved that Tel Aviv will be able to call a victory. But the Arabs have already done the main thing: they have destroyed the myths around Israel’s defense systems, and this moral victory is much more important than the purely military counterattack that the Jewish state is now organizing against them.

Moreover, the events of these days can reformat the entire military-political structure of the Middle East, leading to the emergence of new alliances and new front lines. Compared to all other world events, this is perhaps the worst thing that could happen.

[Link]

[VULGAR MADMAN]

What a shit show.

[Nardz]

Yea, several good points made above. Israel hasn't been tested in a generation, and their last dust up in Lebanon did not go well.
We expect extreme Israeli competence, but why wouldn't they be suffering from similar, or even the same, atrophy and degradation that we see from our own government and armed forces?
They're in a tough spot here.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

They’re in a literal nightmare. I wasn’t blaming them for not being infallible.

[Mother's Lament (proud Kol Nidre for Misek)]

Mossad was too busy playing FBI to Labor's Democrats to notice that Hamas was up to shit. Maybe if they spent a little less time harrassing Bibi and Likud they might have caught it.

My guess, they vastly underestimated the scale of what Hamas was planning and decided to let it happen in order to embarrass Netanyahu.

[Nardz]

"They’re in a literal nightmare. I wasn’t blaming them for not being infallible."

Oh, I wasn't trying to imply anything of the sort. More of a comment on the general position most of us, myself included, seem to assume regarding Israel's martial and intel capabilities. They have a hell of a good record, but it's a new breed filling the ranks now. I'm amazed at the sluggishness of their response as assaults were ongoing.

[Nardz]

"My guess, they vastly underestimated the scale of what Hamas was planning and decided to let it happen in order to embarrass Netanyahu."

This is an interesting theory, and one that accounts for both incompetence and Egypt's claim that they warned the Israeli government Hamas was up to something. Absolutely astounding that they didn't have greater readiness simply due to the 50 year anniversary of the Yom Kippur War. At the same time, it's almost inconceivable they'd just allow 1k+ Israelis to be murdered and the myth of their security to be so badly blown.
I think you're probably right they knew something was coming and were ok with letting it happen (for multiple possible reasons), but vastly underestimated Hamas' capabilities.

[Commenter_XY]

Nardz, great link, and appreciated reading the exchange.

Anything less than the physical obliteration of Hamas is an unacceptable outcome.

[TheReEncogitationer]

If it is any solace, the Israelis have been working for quite a bit on nanobot weapons that could surveil and even kill terrorists without collateral damage to civilians around them.

Israel-Times.com Technology - DragonFly Robot Micro UAVs
https://youtu.be/qAVtuTOKGsA?si=CpFNujGMMkkc8Zit

While war is indeed a horrible thing, I think this says it all about who is trying to be the better person here.

[Nardz]

https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1711482354613506541?t=59siNOP8Srx9yh7F6aJVHw&s=19

This is not a city in Iran. This was central London today. A ticking time bomb.

[Link]

[VULGAR MADMAN]

It’s happening in NYC too.
I’m so glad the border is secure.

[Nardz]

https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1711516827354804672?t=bYgvlusn4lr-xgPb9OS7bg&s=19

The dean of Columbia Law School released a statement today whitewashing the worst terrorist attack in Israeli history. It was far more muted than a statement she released earlier this year about—I kid you not—a swastika in a school bathroom.

[Link]

[Commenter_XY]

Harvard is lost. Yale is lost. Columbia is lost. Dartmouth is lost. Brown is lost. U-Penn is lost. = all had protests "PRO" Hamas.

They are a symptom of a sclerotic, decaying culture: America's.

[Mike Parsons]

I do like how the democrats have finally found a use for "fine people on both sides" though

[TheReEncogitationer]

It's "boaf sides" of the Islamic world against Israel now!

What did I tell ya, folks? What did I tell ya?

Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims are setting aside their ancient quarrel over who will run the conn (or con) after Muhammad died and they're uniting against "The Zionist Entity" and supporting Hamas murderers:

Israel war: Leaders of Iran and Saudi Arabia hold first-ever phone call, pledging united support for Palestinians
Story by Brady Knox •3h
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-war-leaders-of-iran-and-saudi-arabia-hold-first-ever-phone-call-pledging-united-support-for-palestinians/ar-AA1i4h82

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

The Israel-Hamas War Is Drowning X in Disinformation
People who have turned to X for breaking news about the Israel-Hamas conflict are being hit with old videos, fake photos, and video game footage at a level researchers have never seen.
.
Experts believe that the proliferation of disinformation on X around the Israel-Hamas conflict this weekend is largely the result of changes Musk has made to the platform over the past year, including his decision to fire most of the people responsible for tackling disinformation.
.
“Elon Musk’s changes to the platform work entirely to the benefit of terrorists and war propagandists,” Emerson Brooking, a researcher at the Atlantic Council Digital Forensics Research Lab, tells WIRED. “Changes in profit and incentive structure mean that there’s a lot more tendency for people to share at high volume information which may not be true because they are trying to maximize view counts. Anyone can buy one of those little blue checks and change their profile picture to something that’s seemingly a media outlet. It takes quite a bit of work to vet who’s telling the truth and who’s not.”

https://www.wired.com/story/x-israel-hamas-war-disinformation/

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

A few years back you posted kiddy porn to this site, and your initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead you keep showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since I cannot get you to stay away, the only thing I can do is post this boilerplate.
https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836

[NOYB2]

Conclusion: The level of disinformation and lies from Wired, Emerson, and the Atlantic Counsel is really astounding. Those institutions must be very scared of Twitter/X.

[prfd1]

Sarah's butt plug (common democrat), why do you want all Jewish people incinerated? What did they do to you?

[Sevo]

turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

[prfd1]

Sarah's butt plug wants to wipe out the Jews.... what a surprise..... Probably wants to arrest all political opposition again too.... just another stupid democrat (welfare rat).

[Mother's Lament (proud Kol Nidre for Misek)]

Better censor it, right Shrike?

[prfd1]

How do we stop democrats from slaughtering Jews? We need to act now.

[John C. Randolph]

Fuck off, you pedo Nazi cunt.

-jcr

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Wired... lol.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

I remember a year ago or so, Nick Gillespie interviewed... I don't remember exactly, the founder of Wired magazine, and Nick correctly pointed out the Wired was a leading light in the discussion about the liberation potential and power of the internet, while the New York Times was writing articles with themes such as: "The internet, force for good or threat?"

If it hasn't been obvious to everyone paying a scintilla of attention, the editorial board of Wired appears to have been debating that question, and it looks like they agreed to disagree, and landed squarely on "threat".

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

1. Money is fungible.

1a. Don't give Iran $6B. Don't give them anything.

1b. Don't give any Arab or Muslim country any foreign aid, humanitarian aid, disaster relief.

1c. Don't give any Arab or Muslim country any money period.

My limited understanding is that soon after the UN was formed, 1947 or so, when it hadn't yet turned into a pile of Marxist shit, it split "Palestine" into Jordan for the Muslims and Israel for the Jews.

The Palestinians continue to vote for leaders whose avowed goal is the utter destruction of Israel. I gather not all want the annihilation of Jews as part of it, but if that's the consequence of eliminating Israel, they don't mind killing all the Jews as collateral damage.

So fuck the religion of peace.

[ObviouslyNotSpam]

Yes, money is fungible, but nobody "gave" Iran $6bn.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

It is representative of disinformation Republicans are spreading.

Dumbass Republicans are actually pretending that Iran just starting funding Hamas two weeks ago. But it is working.

[Dillinger]

>>pretending that Iran just starting funding Hamas two weeks ago

you. literally the only person who has said this.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Are you kidding me? Iran is swimming in oil money yet Republicans keep saying they used the $6 billion in unfrozen money for the attack.

August 16, 2023
Iran’s oil exports to China are at a 10-year high, according to data revealed on Tuesday.
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Iran is exporting 1.5 million barrels per day of crude oil to China in August, the highest figure since 2013. It's also substantially higher than the 917,000 bpd Iran averaged in exports to China during the first seven months of the year, according to data by the international data intelligence firm Kpler, cited by Iran’s official Islamic Republic News Agency.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/08/irans-oil-exports-china-hit-10-year-high#ixzz8FgMDYNdy

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

OIL MONEY IS FUNGIBLE!

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Aw, someone learned a new word!

[XM]

“OIL MONEY IS FUNGIBLE!”

Oil money – revenue derived from cost incurring production

Joe Biden’s FREE ransom payment, effectively fungible since it allows spending flexibility – fungible

I hope this is simple enough for him to understand.

[Sevo]

> one syllable, turd not understand. On top of being a dishonest TDS-addled pile of lefty shit, turd has stupid like shit has stink.

[Pear Satirical]

Also, Joe has been crippling domestic production so Middle East oil becomes more valuable.

[Sevo]

turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

[LIBertrans]

Cowardly prohibitions blocking generation of nuclear electricity are finding ways to shorten life expectancies and increase real poverty worldwide. This was painfully evident in 1977.

[JesseAz]

That has nothing to do with the strawman you created.

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

I have an idea! Stop sending Ukraine money, send it to Hamas instead! Cut out the Ukraine and Iran middlemen.

Oh wait, Hunter and the Big Guy would lose out. Rats.

[XM]

It takes money and effort to extract oil, you moron. And the oil revenue has to be spent on what passes a country in which the currency is borderline worthless and half the people are poor. Why didn't oil production stop Venezuela from becoming Latin North Korea?

We gave them 6 billion dollars - for free. It is effectively a ransom payment. Even if could stop Iran using a cent of it, they know they can force Biden to give them hard cash in bags next time they imprison or kidnap Americans. This is where the concept of "money being fungible" becomes relevant.

Iran is obviously strapped for cash. Iran, Belarus and North Korea are literally the only countries openly aiding Russia. You thinking "Iran is flowing with oil money" is typical economic illiteracy expected from your ilk.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

We gave them 6 billion dollars – for free.

That is a fucking old lie now.

We UNFROZE $6 billion of THEIR money.

[JesseAz]

What is the current payout from international courts to victims of iranian terrorism. Haven't been paid since the 80s.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Pluggo doesn’t care about irans victims.

[Mother's Lament (proud Kol Nidre for Misek)]

Pluggo doesn't care about facts. Also, it was Pahlavi Iran's money, not the Islamic Republic of Iran's.

That's like the bank giving your money to the guy who invaded your home, killed your wife and is holding your children hostage.

[prfd1]

Their money?
Nope.
That's money the Iranian Nazis stole from the people.
Stupid little butt plug.

[Pear Satirical]

A distinction without a difference! The fact is because of Biden, Iran had access to 6 billion they otherwise would not have had access to.

More worrying, the Iranians now no that the American government will pay ransom, encouraging more kidnappings.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Why was it frozen to begin with?

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo]

Hey faggot Kiddie Raper, Iran’s GDP was only about $389 billion last year. $6 billion is a lot for their government. But I wouldn’t expect an ignorant pedophile retard Soros worshipper like you to know anything.

[prfd1]

Democrats always support Iran and Hamas and the final solution.
Republicans always support the Jews.
Everybody is so predictable.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Shut your Nazi piehole, you Tiki torch waving Trump cuck.

[prfd1]

Sarah's butt plug (standard democrat) creamed the sheets repeatedly watching the Jews get slaughtered on tv.

[Mother's Lament (proud Kol Nidre for Misek)]

"you Tiki torch waving Trump cuck."

Poor Pluggo, it turned out the guys with the tiki torches were Democrats.

Lincoln Project claims responsibility for fake ‘white supremacists’ at Glenn Youngkin event

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

You fucking moron.

Congress/Senate Jewish members 35 Democrats and just 2 Republicans:

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-members-of-the-116th-congress

[Sevo]

turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

[Mother's Lament (proud Kol Nidre for Misek)]

Democrats still have more Nazis than Jews.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

SPB is annoyed at people pointing out his hearth-throb, Biden's involvement with the Iran deal, because it puts the lie to his own claims of support for Israel.

SPB is a racist, woman-hating creature, on the same level as misek.

[prfd1]

Not just Iran. Democrats have been funding isis / hamas / black lives matter for a very long time.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

It was the neocon Bushpigs who gift-wrapped Iraq for the Islamo-fascists.

That means Republicans, you idiot.

[prfd1]

Sarah's butt plug (average democrat) supports the people (joe biden) who fund the people who slaughter Jews.
Such a good (stupid) little nazi.

[prfd1]

It's time to start rounding up the latest generation of Nazis like sarah's butt plug.
I'm tired of watching the slaughter of innocent Jewish people.

[Sevo]

turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

They forfeited it for their support of terrorist groups. Suddenly Biden gave it back. Suddenly Spam Boy yelled BOAF SIDEZ.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Defending Biden is more important than anything else.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Many have compared Israel's lack of preparedness with the ineptitude of the Bush administration prior to 9/11.

On September 9, 2001, Rice appeared on Meet the Press to argue that it “would not be … responsible of the president of the United States to not respond to that threat” of ballistic missiles.
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The guest who followed her was Joe Biden, then the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Biden proceeded to deconstruct Rice’s argument, passionately arguing that missile defense “will not protect us from cruise missiles. It will not protect us from something being smuggled in. It will not protect us from an atom bomb in the rusty hull of a ship coming into a harbor. It will not protect us from anthrax … all of which the Defense Department says are much more likely threats than somebody sending an ICBM with a return address on it.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/09/condoleezza-rice-september-11-speech-anniversary/675272/

[XM]

Buttplug is right, every nation should be building walls on its borders, barring entry to fanatics who chant for the death of its people, and blow up training grounds and supply depot for terrorists. Surveillance, yes sir that's on the table.

"That's racist and right wing"

Oh well, we tried.

[Sevo]

turd, the TDS-addled the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

SPB pretends he hates the incompetent, neocon-infused bush administration, while he now posts neocon talking points, and also defended Biden’s incompetence during the AFG withdrawal, with the mocking “sloppy pullout” joke.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Israeli perspective: How the Abraham Accords led to Hamas attack:

And so the Abraham Accords help flatter American elites. Israel and its Gulf allies can make a big show of overcoming Muslim-Jewish tensions — which Americans see as the central moral question of the Middle East — with U.S. support. The other prejudices involved in maintaining the system simply don’t register on Americans’ radar.
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Other states are starting to appeal to the West through the same strategy. Azerbaijan is fighting a brutal ethnic conflict against Armenia. Meanwhile, the Azerbaijani government has made a big show of hosting foreign Christian and Jewish delegations. Those guests often go on to praise Azerbaijan as an oasis of Muslim tolerance — rather than a secular nationalist dictatorship whose ethnic hatred of Armenians outweighs any religious concern.
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It’s noble to want American diplomats to resolve conflicts and promote harmony between religions. But the Abraham Accords are intentionally misleading in that regard. Under the guise of peacemaking, the alliance helps authoritarian governments maintain divisions, albeit among communities that U.S. elites don’t care about. The real path to peace comes through justice and mutual respect, not simply rearranging enemy lists.

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/abraham-accords/

[JesseAz]

How many leftist sites did you get in your Act Blue talking points today?

[Sandra (formerly OBL)]

He's already linked to Jeffrey "Iraq / Al Qaeda Connection" Goldberg's The Atlantic.

Stick around and maybe he'll drop some wisdom from Bill Kristol's The Bulwark.

#AntiwarLibertariansForRehabbingIraqWarCheerleaders
#DefendBidenAtAllCosts

[Sevo]

turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

[Mickey Rat]

So now diiplomacy between hostile nation states is bad?

There is much coping in this take.

[Sandra (formerly OBL)]

"After Hamas Attack, There Are No Good Options in the Middle East"

Come on! Koch-funded libertarians should know the script by now: respond to all news of global instability by demanding the entire populations of the affected regions immigrate to the US! 🙂

Put Fiona on it. She can replace every instance of "Russia - Ukraine" with "Hamas - Israel" in her [Insert current event] proves the US should do what my sugar daddy already wanted to do on immigration template.

#WarIsGoodBecauseItCreatesRefugees
#CheapLaborAboveAll

[Mickey Rat]

When an organixztion is genocidal and decides to use violence, there are never "good" options, there are only bad, terrible, and less bad options.

[JFree]

There never were good options in the Middle East. Maybe people should stop looking for ponies. Sometimes all you got is manure. So deal with it.

[JesseAz]

Too bad masks stop missiles just as well as they do respiratory viruses. =/

[VULGAR MADMAN]

But do masks stop measles as well as missiles?

[Michael Ejercito]

After Hamas Attack, There Are No Good Options in the Middle East

Just like after the attack on Pearl Harbor, there were no good option in the Pacific?

[VULGAR MADMAN]

What were the “good” options? I mean you could say the option of war was necessary, but it certainly wasn’t a good option.

[Michael Ejercito]

Correct.

[Sevo]

"What were the “good” options? I mean you could say the option of war was necessary, but it certainly wasn’t a good option."

Well, there are only available options.
You might claim that going to war was not a "good" option, but now you're stuck with offering options which are better than the option you now reject.
Most every August when that drunkard Tony was here (hope his liver killed him), he would claim use of the nukes was not justified.
The problem comes when, after asking him to provide a more humane means of ending the war, the best he could provide was "the US should have surrendered."
Yes, we might, as FDR's foreign secretary did, wish there were ponies available, but in the real world, we are often enough stuck with shoveling the shit we have in front of us.

[soldiermedic76]

The thing I always laugh at is when people claim we dropped the bomb on Japan because of racism. No, we developed the bomb to use against Germany, Germany just collapsed before we had even tested the first bomb. We dropped it on Japan because they were the last Axis Power we were still fighting once we had a workable bomb. After what we did to Dresden and Hamburg etc, can anyone doubt if we had the bomb in summer of 1944, we wouldn't have chosen to drop it on Cologne? Or Bremen?

[soldiermedic76]

Or, Peenemunde? I'm sure Winston would have pushed for that in the fall of 1944.

[markm23]

And there's a reason Japan was the last Axis power: Within a few days of the Pearl Harbor attack, the US and British governments agreed on a "Germany First" policy. That is, even though the Japanese, not the Germans, attacked the US, the US agreed to put most of its resources into defeating Germany, leaving only about half of its fleet and a few ground troops to oppose Japan. The main reason we carried out landings against Japanese positions in 1942 and 1943 was that we needed practice before conducting landings against the Germans. It was only in 1944 that we had enough leftovers after preparing for the landings in Italy, southern France, and finally Normandy to begin systematically re-taking most of the islands occupied by Japan - but not the ones closer to Japan.

So, Italy was beaten down first - because it was one part of the Nazis perimeter. Germany was next. By February 1945, American and British troops were across the Rhine, and Soviet troops were advancing from the west. Germany was beaten although not admitting this yet, and this is when we began closing in on Japan with the Iwo Jima landing. We brought it much closer with Okinawa - an operation that began while Hitler was still resisted, but was only completed a month after his death and Germany's surrender.

And _now_ we had tested our first nuke and had two more, that we'd have been happy to drop on Berlin if they had been ready earlier, but Japan was the only target left. They had established a pattern of fighting to the last man, and often the last woman or child, so if we continued with an invasion of the main islands, we could expect over a million Allied casualties and the likely death of over half of Japan's population. So we did the humane thing: dropped the nukes and hoped that was frightful enough to bring the Japanese government to surrender. It worked - and you can tell any group of Japanese under 77 that half of them would not have been born if we hadn't used those two nukes.

[Commenter_XY]

Sevo, you hit the mark. It is a shitburger. The experiment of Oslo and disengagement are over. That policy has failed. Also, 'mowing the lawn' has failed as a policy.

Anything less than the physical obliteration of Hamas in Gaza is an unacceptable outcome.

[JeremyR]

You gotta realize, many libertarians think Pearl Harbor was justified because we stopped trading with Japan over their atrocities

[VULGAR MADMAN]

There are “spicier” theories as well.

[Sevo]

^ +1.
Much as FDR deserves our condemnation, in this case, he was acting in the role' of foreign policy director, and (although he didn't know it) in defense of the nation.
Further, I've yet to see any faintly libertarian argument for starting an un-declared war as a result of denial of trade. If you have one, I'm sure you will make the claim we shoulda' bombed Iran to smithereens in '78

[dougwesterman]

Israel should just annex the Gaza Strip. Look at a map of the Middle East; Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia all have far more land than Israel. They can live up some of their land for a Palestinian State if they are so Ga Ga on the idea. There are roughly 2 million Arabs already residing in Israel, along with the roughly 7 million Jews. So the Gaza residents can have a choice; join the 2 million Arabs already living in Israel, or go to a new piece of land provided by Arab nations.

[Longtobefree]

The UN tried that in 1948.
The Arabs sort of ignored it. You know, sort of like now; with the political power that grows from the barrel of a gun.

[dougwesterman]

Israel is one of the more densely populated countries as it is. They are 22. Jordan and Syria are down the list, with Saudi Arabia much further down. Israel has nukes now.

[Sevo]

"...Israel has nukes now."

And the Iranians know it.

[markm23]

Why would Israel ever accept 2 million people best known for suicide bombings and dancing in the street to celebrate murdered Israelis? Israel already rejected their ancestors after the Israeli victory in 1948 - the Palestinians who had stayed peacefully in their homes during the war were welcome to remain, but those who had left, expecting to follow the Arab armies and help murder the Israelis and loot their homes were NOT welcome.

[JoeB]

Yet no one cries for Deir Yassin victims. At some point the occupation drives those occupied insane.

[JesseAz]

And can you believe how short some of those skirts were at the concert Hamas attacked?

[XM]

Korea was either occupied or a vessel state for most of its existence. The Jewish people were persecuted since the days of the bible.

History has ample examples of occupied or oppressed people holding onto their humanity. Stop making excuses.

[soldiermedic76]

Occupation? Israel withdrew all troops from the Gaza Strip in 2005 and evacuated all Israeli citizens in 2005. Israel provides the Gaza Strip with food, fuel, water and electricity. In return for withdrawing their troops and Israel providing them with the essentials of life, Hamas has been shooting rockets on a daily basis against Israel (yes, it is daily occurrence, just not in the volume seen the other day). Some fucking occupation. No troops on the ground, providing the essentials of life, and being constantly attacked by the so called occupied people. Fuck, you anti-semites all sound alike. Just like Herr Eichmann. Next you'll be telling us about Blood Libel. Fuck off Nazi scumbag.

[John C. Randolph]

Israel provides the Gaza Strip with food, fuel, water and electricity.

Not anymore. They may turn it back on whenever the Hamassholes find their Grand Admiral Dönitz to do the formal capitulation in another day or two. Most of the bigshot Hamassholes will be dead by then if they didn't already bug out to Syria last week.

-jcr

[Sevo]

So the debble made 'em do it?
Fuck off and die, shitbag.

[Longtobefree]

Every time I hear comments by a democrat about helping Israel, I hear Cool Hand Luke whispering "Cap'n, I wish you'd stop being so good to me".

[JimCherry]

For years - many years - we've been told of Palestinian mothers raising their sons and daughters to hate Jews, to kill Jews.
There is a good solution; just not one a lot of people want to countenance. That solution is, repeated decimation of the population of Gaza, and of the members of Hamas, and of the members of Hezbollah, and of the members of the Iranian government, and of members of the Syrian government. It doesn't even have to be targeted. Just take 1 in 10, and in a month, take 1 in 10. Repeat until a credible plea for mercy is heard from those people.

[JeremyR]

That's the thing about Islam, the way they treat women and have polygamy means they can pump out lots and lots of kids. Young guys who are pissed off because older rich guys get 4 wives can just be sent to go murder and rape Jews, while the guy with 4 wives can just keep getting them pregnant

[Commenter_XY]

In war, you do not deliberately kill the innocent, or molest them. The IDF will appropriately kill Hamas adherents who made their choice, and now will deal with the consequence; death. I have no problem with the physical obliteration of Hamas in Gaza.

Gaza civilians can leave immediately via the Rafah crossing into Egypt. Gazans should leave immediately if they value their lives.

[LIBertrans]

So mohammedans giving up the initiation of deadly force is NOT an option?

[DRM]

This is your reminder that in the only free, fair, and contested election in the entire history of the Palestinian Authority, a majority of the votes, both overall and in Gaza, were cast for Hamas, whose explicit platform was war with Israel.

[Nardz]

https://twitter.com/AmMonarchist/status/1711430901857452084?t=E5_5mzTITSofF5NV35ZRNw&s=19

“Arab pornstar fired by Jewish pornographer for taking sides in ethnic conflict” is peak regime absurdity.

[Link]

[Pear Satirical]

Wasn’t she a pornstar for a month?

[Nardz]

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1711513550064144835?t=mdCqgg9FoOe0SEvGyfs3uw&s=19

BREAKING: Car crashes into the Chinese Consulate in San Francisco, driver shot

[Link]

[Nardz]

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1711549056831332496?t=73fru8LSnePLhwLp19vq2w&s=19

NEW VIDEO: Car crashes into the Chinese Consulate in San Francisco.

A witness says the driver, who was shot by police, yelled "Where's the CCP?"

[Sevo]

I rarely reply to your bullshit, but the driver invaded the sovereign territory of Red China. As such, s/he became a combatant in an invasion, risking death.
S/he died.
Much as I despise Red China and the CCP, they were more than correct here.

[soldiermedic76]

Generally speaking you do this to a US embassy overseas (especially in a less than friendly nation) and the Marines at the gate will light your ass up too. Happens more often than people are aware. Marines on embassy detail aren't your average 0311, either. Consider Marines on embassy detail are a special kind of crazy, and the Marines are already known for being a bit insane among the services.

Also, just another fun fact, the 3rd infantry soldier guarding the tomb of the unknown soldier, that bayonet is sharp, and those rifles and pistols are loaded. Just for anyone who wants to fuck around and find out. And the 3rd infantry is an actual combat regiment not just a ceremonial unit.

[Nardz]

I'm disappointed it wasn't you, sqrlvo.
Would've been a nobler way to go out than getting shivved by your heroin addicted tranny boyfriend.

[prfd1]

Sarah's butt plug (common brown shirt) supports the democrats because they support wiping out the Jews.
Families in gas chambers.
We've seen people like butt plug and what they do throughout history.
If we don't stand up to them they will kill all Jews.
Who will they come after once they wipe out the Jews?

[prfd1]

Why do Jews like chucky Shoomer keep silent while fellow democrats like butt plug support the slaughter of Jews in Israel?
Good question.

[Mickey Rat]

It is in bad taste to talk about Left wing genocidal Jew hatred.

[Pear Satirical]

Hamas attacks Israel –> Israel retaliates –> fighting continues for a while –> ceasefire –> period of no violence –> Hamas attacks Israel

Same song and dance, the music is just louder this time.

It’s frankly time for Isreal to stop pussyfooting around and actually deal with Hamas. Go into Gaza and level it. Kill the leadership and soldiers, then leave the civilians (such as there are) with a choice.

You can either have peace and coexistence or more and worse than this.

[prfd1]

We just watched the Israelis get slaughtered on the streets and right in their own homes. Zero defense. Zero right to keep and bear arms. This would not have happened in small town USA.
Nazis (democrats) don’t come after people in small town USA…. because they will be killed by armed citizens exercising individual rights. Very simple. Nazis like chuck shoomer and sarah’s butt plug can’t exist in small town USA.

[NOYB2]

We just watched the Israelis get slaughtered on the streets and right in their own homes. Zero defense. Zero right to keep and bear arms.

Well, they foolishly and democratically chose this for themselves.

You'd think that after Hitler's gun confiscations, Jews of all people would know better.

[(Impeach Robert L. Peters) Weigel's Cock Ring]

The reason why human beings keep constantly repeating the same stupid mistakes over and over and over again is as simple as it is sad: most human beings are kind of dumb, don't really know much of anything about history, and thus are never able to learn and absorb its most important lessons.

Yes, this even applies to what is supposedly the smartest race of people in the world.

[I woke up when Hillary talked about Reconstruction]

Well this is the spread of the stupid-as-sht Biden virus.
His response to riots, to Covid,and to immigration fueled a HUGE increase in gun sales. So stupid it seems to be immoral to be that dumb.

[Nardz]

https://twitter.com/AmericanaEthos/status/1711538841734316417?t=wt6dNdnw1uWnqaVPsB6vOw&s=19

Since it is Columbus Day, a reminder that if you do not support the very people who through their labor: conquered the land, crafted civilization, and gave birth to our national character. You can not call yourself pro-American.

Whether:
Original European explorers,
17th century English/Proto-American settlers,
or 19th Manifest Destiny

If you counter-signal these, you are anti-American. Simple as.

[NOYB2]

After Hamas Attack, There Are No Good Options in the Middle East

There were no good options before either. There is no way of having a peaceful settlement as long as the Palestinian belief system is what it is.

Changing their minds will be akin to the de-Nazification of Germany, except it will be harder, because Palestinians don't feel the collective guilt that the Germans felt, and because Palestinians don't have a history of successful and prosperous civil societies.

Israel could fully expel the Palestinians from all "Palestinian" territories and neighboring Arab nations are compelled to take them in.

Or, I suppose, we could move all of Israel to, say, a region in Germany; the former East Germany is depopulated anyway, and all of Israel is barely 20% of the former East German territory (or 6% of all of Germany). It could be considered Germany's final reparations.

[JohnZ]

No, their plan is Ukraine.

[Commenter_XY]

I disagree on 'no good options'. It is binary.

Israel can, or cannot, live side-by-side in peace with Hamas. The results of the 18 year experiment with disengagement, and Oslo has guiding policies have failed. Israel cannot live side-by-side with Hamas.

Nothing less then the physical obliteration of Hamas in Gaza is an acceptable outcome.

The Rafah border crossing from Gaza into Egypt is open. Gazan civilians should leave Gaza now. Israel has explicitly warned them; repeatedly for the last 48 hours.

[NOYB2]

Gazan civilians should leave Gaza now.

Leave where? How? What’s going to happen with those who don’t leave?

[Commenter_XY]

They stand a good chance of dying if they are anywhere physically near a member of Hamas = What’s going to happen with those who don’t leave?

[NOYB2]

OK, so since they can't leave, 2 million Palestinians stand a good chance of dying. What do you think is going to happen to Israel if tens of thousands of women and children are killed?

I'm not judging here, I'm just saying that this may not be a politically viable solution for Israel.

[Vernon Depner]

That is exactly what is about to happen, so we'll know soon.

[JohnZ]

With Nuttybombyou in charge and a divided nation, his tenure is shaky at best.
Also, the Israeli army is not that all powerful as we have been led to believe.

[I woke up when Hillary talked about Reconstruction]

You are judging though....What is NOT justified against a group HAMAS who will hate Israel til the day they die. Let's hasten that day

[I woke up when Hillary talked about Reconstruction]

Yes, moral and wise reply,

[NOYB2]

.

[nefartete]

I believe that killing civilians on both the Israeli and Palestinian sides is unjustified and not good.
https://import-from-egypt.com

[LIBertrans]

Look up "just desserts" then come back and whine about definitions of "justified," your vegetable Nefairyousness...

[I woke up when Hillary talked about Reconstruction]

Okay, but what about facts, the sending of rockets into civilian areas. Doesn't that justify the utter elimination of Hamas.
C'mon,show some backbone.

[nefartete]

The displacement of Palestinians to Egypt is absolutely unacceptable to Egyptians. The solution is to eliminate Hamas and their supporters from Iran and Hezbollah. I am not satisfied with the killing of civilians on both sides. This is unacceptable to any true Muslim. This is contrary to the religion of Islam. If our Prophet Muhammad lived among us, he would denounce what Hamas, Iran and Hezbollah are doing.
https://import-from-egypt.com/%D8%AA%D8%B5%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%B1-%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%85/

[Vernon Depner]

If your Pervert Prophet were living, he would be the head of Hamas.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

And Mia Khalifa would be one of his wives.

[I woke up when Hillary talked about Reconstruction]

Maybe they will find and eliminate you,that would be real progress.
And basic morals say you should not speak for what a dead peson woudl do.

[LIBertrans]

It was civilians that cheered Hitler, Mussolini, Quisling, Laval and Hirohito in huge collectives of tens of thousands. Then suddenly, they realized they were the innocent victims of collateral damage! Girl-bullying MAGAt Trumpanzees likewise assembled in a yuuuge mob to vandalize and cause deaths at the Reichstag Capitol. Now alluva sudden THEY are the helpless and innocent altruist collectivist victims of vicious, unequal--yet apposite-- reprisal force. (Daubs with pocket-handkerchief at streaming eyes)... IT AIN'T FAAAAIR!

[JimmyK24601]

There is one…get the fudge-packing, mother-loving, good-grief Charlie Brown out of there

[jeannie melo]

I have been struggling for awhile with whether I should continue to support Reason and the philosophy they spread. But many of the points that Katherine makes are so alienating to me. Progressive (libertarian) policies near me are creating a dystopia and the conservatives have no answers or power, so I thought I had to turn to a 3rd option.

But man, the answer to open-air drug markets and sociopathic behavior is just "move" or "pay for a private park." As if progressive leadership near me would ever allow private park permits. There was a homeless person living outside my kid's window in Berkeley. The city practically laughed at me. And what would Katherine do if it happened to her?Just pick up and move? And for those people who worked for years to save up to be able to buy a home? Just destroy everything and go to Oklahoma? You have choices! Do we?! It would be more helpful for libertarians to create lists of towns and cities left where a quality of life is being maintained and there is available housing.

Anyway, I out. Matt is basically the only one I agree with most of the time. I like his rational libertarian-light approach without zealotry. And despite his tiring mid-life psychedelic journey, I love Nick. He's similar to my friends of choice.

[LIBertrans]

THAT explains a lot. Nick devoutly believes folks "would be unhappy" with laissez-faire, and Matt is the walking sandwich-man for the return of Tricky Prickears, Billy Graham and Spirochaete Agnew.

[I woke up when Hillary talked about Reconstruction]

I think Nick must be living off inherited moral capital. He seesm to know what is wrong and to vaguely sense what is right.But for some reason he gives his highest allegiance not to a religous view but to some political view. I just cannot see that that is the way to live.

IF I am sometimes liberal, sometimes independent, sometimes seemingly radicall it is because I serve one master in life. You can't make up want in effect is your own personal-religion/philosophy and not go wrong , often in big ways.

[JohnZ]

Checked into George Galloway's MOATS with Scott Ritter providing analysis of the situation.
No one has more clear understanding of the situation in the middle east and willing to tell the truth than Ritter.
No doubt there will be those who despise Ritter much the same as those who despise Assange. Ritter lays it down without apologies and for those who don't like it then go back to whatever makes you feel comfortable.

[LIBertrans]

After the December 1941 attack on Pearl, Wake, the Philippines, Hong Kong and Shanghai, Japan's unconditional surrender was a perfectly viable option. But noooo... His Godlike imperialness and field-marshal groupies elected to add war crimes to the balance until August 1945--another three years and eight months later. Suddenly, for no reason, the air became uranious over peaceful Hiroshima and iodine-vapor-colored over Nagasaki. Shame on Israel!

[I woke up when Hillary talked about Reconstruction]

What a goddam stupid and uninformed post.
Where is the comparison. The head of Japan posed as a divine being , Japan was notorious for cruelty and you defend Japan !!!!
I don't say Hiroshima was right any more than I say Dresden was,but you are defending animals,who were the provocateurs. Grow up,

[I woke up when Hillary talked about Reconstruction]

To intentionally fire rockets into civilian areas justifies the utter extirpation of the attackers. Now that is not saying inhumanity justifies inhumanity,only that if you don't wipe them off the face of the earth they will be back

[I woke up when Hillary talked about Reconstruction]

Biden is a stupid and lazy man running around pissing all sides off
Everything seems to be personal for the man.Being stupid and lazy he only wants to appear vigorous and wise.
HE abstained on Israel and Hamas but prior to that he was all decisive and sure

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Updated on: February 27, 2024