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CPAC Confidential: Because Small-Government Conservatives Think the Gov't Should be Big Enough to Hate on teh Gays

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Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) is head of the Republican Study Committee, the group that's supposed to be the conscience of the GOP when it comes to limiting government's reach. Jordan is one of a bunch of proud Republicans who are pointedly snubbing this week's coming Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) because of the participation of GOProud, a gay conservative group. The Cleveland Plain-Dealer says:

"Congressman Jordan believes that, in addition to low taxes and less spending, conservatives must advocate for traditional family values like life and marriage," [spokesman Meghan] Snyder said. "Family is the cornerstone upon which a community, state or nation is built, and conservatives must lead the way in promoting the strengths of the traditional family whenever we can."

Politico says Jordan is the "most prominent elected official to publicly pass on the event." He is frequently mentioned as a potential 2012 U.S. Senate candidate against Sen. Sherrod Brown, a Democrat.

In 2009, Jordan introduced legislation that would have overturned the District of Columbia's decision to recognize gay marriages performed in other states. Jordan's legislation went nowhere, and the District of Columbia last year began issuing marriage licenses to same sex couples.

Whole story here.

Another big name who pulled out: Brent Bozell of the Media Research Center.

"To bring in a 'gay' group is a direct attack on social conservatives, and I can't participate in that."

So has Floyd Brown, the founder of Citizens United:

"[Heritage Foundation and other long-term participants withdrawing] is a huge blow to CPAC," said Floyd Brown, president of the Western Journalism Center and founder of Citizens United. "It shows the CPAC leadership needs to do a full evaluation of their decision to allow this homosexual group to be a participating organization."

More along those lines here.

And dig this. CPAC has taken heat for inviting Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, cuz he called for a "truce" on social war stuff:

"Governor Daniels' selection is an affront to the millions of conservatives who believe that social issues such as abortion and traditional marriage are non-negotiable," [American Principles Project]'s executive director Andy Blom said in a statement.

Blom told CNN he sees Daniels having a difficult time winning the GOP nomination, or the general election, without the help of social conservatives.

"He has flown his white flag and he has surrendered," Blom said. "The foot soldiers in the conservative movement have for so long been pro-lifers. You can't win a national election by throwing these people away. We aren't going to stand for it."

More Blom on Blom action is here.

So what's so icky about GOProud, the group causing most (though not all!) the ruckus? Here's an excerpt from the group's statement of purpose:

GOProud is committed to a traditional conservative agenda that emphasizes limited government, individual liberty, free markets and a confident foreign policy. GOProud promotes our traditional conservative agenda by influencing politics and policy at the federal level.

We are conservatives who believe in limited government, individual liberty, free markets, a strong national defense and a confident foreign policy. We believe that every individual should be equal under the law.

If there's a reason to be pissed at GOProud, it ain't because they're not conservatives. It's because they've invited Sophie B. Hawkins to headline a CPAC party. But then again, tolerance is a virtue. Hawkins, who's in a long-term same-sex relationship, has been critical of Obama and the gummint in general. Here's a snippet from a Hill story about her from last year:

The singer campaigned on the trail with Hillary Rodham Clinton during her presidential campaign, and told The Hil from her tour bus that she "never believed in [Obama's] philosophy"—which she said runs contrary to her beliefs in "smaller government, smart government, flexible government."

"I think the writing was on the wall," Hawkins said. "I honestly couldn't believe so many people were into him."

She describes herself as a centrist who's identified with the Democratic and Green parties, but said even though she's never been Republican she wouldn't cross that vote off the list if the right leader came along.

In fact, she's open to a Republican Congress.

"I want the Congress that really is going to listen to the people," she said. "I really don't care what party it is anymore."

Hawkins said she attended a Tea Party rally in Santa Monica, Calif., that was "mostly all Democrats."

"The Tea Parties are only here because people are not listening," she said.

More here.

Here's the "original, banned" video of Hawkins' biggest hit.

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  1. Sounds like they are driving off a lot of dipshits. Now the question as a political organization is how many voters did they drive off. That is where the rubber will meet the road.

    1. Should be voters and contributors.

  2. As usual, when Republicans are right it’s for all the wrong reasons. I too would pull out of CPAC after learning Sophie B. Hawkins has been is headlining the event, but not because of her sexual orientation.

    1. …after learning Sophie B. Hawkins has been is headlining the event…

      1. Sophie B. a has-been.

  3. So what’s so icky about GOProud, the group causing most (though not all!) the ruckus?

    They want to mandate felching, which affects interstate commerce. In front of your kids, of course.

    1. Enough with the felching today!

      1. That’s what she said.

        1. I thought that’s what he said?

          1. Sorry, I’m a one trick pony.

            1. And that’s what she said!!!

      2. That was my first comment on the topic. Ever, in fact.

        1. Maybe you should make a habit of it.

          1. That’s what she said.

          2. Probably not.

  4. So long, farewell, Au revoir, Auf Weidersehen.

    The socons are worried that if even the Republican party won’t listen to them they will be relegated to the dust bin of history. Good riddance.

    1. You forgot: don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

      1. My favorite version: Don’t let the door hitchya where the good lord splitchya!

  5. No paleos showing up to say that socons are right to be against special recognition of rights for gays because letting gays get marriage lisences will make government bigger by every lisence? Hmm. Palin must be speaking on Fox or something.

    1. While not a “socon” few here seem to care about intellectual consistency on this subject. I have two children so I spend enough time talking to brick walls.

      Libertarians should oppose the government recognition of personal relationships. Expanding the government recognition of personal relationships should therefore be also opposed. “Fairness” is a Leftard position which lacks reason.

      Libertarians oppose the draft and registration for the same. Should they attempt to expand it to women? It certainly would be more “fair”. It won’t be eliminated any time soon, so why not give up and support fairness? Why? Because the expansion of a wrong doesn’t make it right. I realize that you don’t understand this. Few here seem able to get past the powerful intellectual arguments of “God told them to oppose it” or “they think it is yucky”. Like I said, children and brick walls.

      1. I presume that due to your intellectual consistency you didn’t resort to the government recognition of your relationship with the mother of your children. My respect.

        1. I presume that due to your intellectual consistency you didn’t resort to the government recognition of your relationship with the mother of your children.

          A familial relationship is not the same as a personal one, try again.

          1. Reading comprehension fail on my part.

            When I got married, 13+ centuries years ago, I did it because my wife wanted to do so. While I may have benefited from some tax relief, (I have heard of both marriage penalty and benefit)I didn’t do it for government recognition. If I could do it today, I would certainly dissolve the government recognition of it, considering it greatly favors her.

      2. I agree, but the reality is that registration for selective service is not a pressing issue at this point, while people lacking the ability to have their coital relationship get the legal benefits associated with marriage are affected right now. So gay marriage is the more pressing issue.

        1. Pick any issue you choose. Welfare won’t be ended any time soon, should it be expanded for the sake of “fairness”? How about Farm Subsidies? Foreign Aid? Corporate Welfare? Since none of these things will be eliminated, we should favor their expansion for “fairness”?

          When you desire to take from one group of people and give to another calling it “fair” is absurd. Nothing is fair about the taxpayer being forced to pay more. Why is it only “fair” to those who would receive but not unfair to those who will pay?

          The same thing applies to all marriage. You shouldn’t be getting ANY benefits from the government. How do you argue against wealth transfers one moment, and then favor them for certain groups the next?

      3. I agree. Government has no place in personal relationships. And the Federal government is constitutionally barred from interfering with anything not specifically enumerated. These are individual or States’ rights.

        So even if it were a government function, it’s not a Federal one. But aren’t these federal politicians getting involved? They need to read the constitution they’ve sworn to uphold! – or be impeached for not doing so…

  6. This is just a bunch of media-generated bullshit. Fucking freedom of association, how does that work?

    1. Freedom of association is great, and I wouldn’t try to stop these groups from refusing to participate or pressure CPAC to do one thing or another. But they are politicians and their enablers and it is also good to criticize such people for their behavior and for unpleasant views hey hold.

  7. Could someone please explain to me why the implementation of civil unions failed to make this stuff a non-issue?

    1. Because institutionalized hatred dies hard.

      1. From which side?

        1. I think you just found out.

      2. I never had you pegged for an affirmative action aficianado.

    2. If the federal government didn’t give you stuff based on who you are married to, it would have. But unfortunately, that is not the situation. And a lot of states don’t even have civil unions.

    3. Could someone please explain to me why the implementation of civil unions failed to make this stuff a non-issue?

      Some states like Texas, Florida, and Oklahoma ban civil unions by constitutional amendment.

      And the vote to ban civil unions in those states were in excess of sixty percent.

  8. I couldn’t believe it when I found out Norman Fell used to pal around with Sinatra and the Rat Pack.

  9. It’s impressive that so-cons still think they have a chance to overturn Roe v. Wade. smh

    1. Roe v Wade is far more likely to be overturned than any of the disgusting Commerce Clause jurisprudence that gets railed against on these pages 24/7.

      1. True. All they need is one more vote in the Supreme Court. If a Republican gets elected in 2012 its pretty much assured I think.

        1. I seriously doubt it.

  10. I don’t care. Does any normal human care?

  11. The Federal Government doesn’t recognize civil unions.

    On 9 states (including DC) allow Civil Unions or Domestic Partnership.

  12. Well, the Repubs were going to have a knock-down, drag-out fight between the fiscal cons and the social cons anyway.

    Might as well be now. Its not like there’s a powerful and united Dem party waiting to drive the survivors into the sea, or anything.

    My best case scenario: Both the Dems and the Repubs manage to tear themselve to pieces, and something new rises from the ashes. Perhaps that something new might include just a soupcon of liberty.

    1. Realistic scenario: the so-cons form the Huckabee Party, get 16% of the vote, and Obama gets another term with 45%.

      1. More prediction: The Huckabee Party gets half the Tea Party votes.

    2. Might as well be now. Its not like there’s a powerful and united Dem party waiting to drive the survivors into the sea, or anything.

      The older SoCons in the Republican Party were New Deal and Great Society types who left the Democratic Party because they perceived them to be a pro-abortion, pro-Communist, anti-family, anti-God party.

      Dennis Prager is one such example.

      I wonder how the increase in Hispanic voters (who are New Deal, Great Societ socons) will influence the Democratic primaries.

  13. Each of the two big parties should fracture into halves. The Democrats can split between blue collar protectionists and progressive urbanites, and the Republicans can divide into small government fiscal conservatives and the Christian right.

    Then after a few years those four new parties can further divide until one day we end up electing the craziest niche fuck out there for president because that particular group of like-minded voters is the largest minority.

    “And there you have it. With 12% of precincts reporting, we are calling this presidential election for the candidate from the New Democrat Party of Foreign Aid Labor Unionists Opposed to Immigration, Gay Marriage and the Welfare State.”

    1. electing the craziest niche fuck out there for president

      President SugarFree?

      1. The State of the Union addy would have to be delivered after 10PM.

      2. President SugarFree?

        And Mark Gerard Miller as VP on the Bilderberg ticket?

        1. I would favor a SF/MGM ticket for the entertainment value alone.

  14. What do they need? One or two more SCOTUS Justices? I think one and the right case would overturn it. FWIW,a majority of public opinion favors it as well. “Pro-life” outnumbers “pro-choice” and demographic trends are against the latter.

    1. ^In reply to^

      It’s impressive that so-cons still think they have a chance to overturn Roe v. Wade.

    2. Do you have a citation for that? I wasn’t aware of pro-lifers having a majority.

      1. It’s just his wishful thinking.

        1. 51% vs 42%

          Evangelicals and Catholics have more kids who largely share their values. Most immigrants are pro-life.

          1. You cherry picked an older data set.

            Here’s a more recent and informative chart.

            Note that
            a) The more recent numbers for the poll you cited are 47/45
            and more importantly
            b) An overwhelming majority (54%+24%) support legalized abortion in some circumstances or all circumstances while only 19% favor it being outlawed.

            1. I didn’t “cherry pick” anything. The “older” 2009 data was front page news.
              A plurality still identify as “pro-choice” and look at the trend over the past 15 years. Only 24% support abortion “under any circumstances which is the “law of the land” under Roe v Wade

              I suspect majority support for Roe is out of the false belief that overturning it would outlaw all abortion. Whatever your beliefs it doesn’t change the fact the Roe is horrible constitutional law.

              1. Right, but although you had the 2010 data available, you picked the 2009 data to make your argument seem stronger and neglected to include the “Percent of people that favor legalized abortion” chart, which is a much better indicator of support for abortion in the US.

                Look, if Roe was overturned tomorrow how many states would actually outlaw the practice? Hint: not a whole lot. The fact that social conservatives draw a line in the sand on this issue is ridiculous and, to me, demonstrates just how intellectually vacant, out-of-touch, and short-sighted the movement is.

                1. Do you have a citation for that? I wasn’t aware of pro-lifers having a majority.

                  You’re aware of it now. I provided your fucking citation. You’re welcome.

                  Almost 80% favor restrictions on abortion that are unconstitutional based on current interpretations of Roe v Wade

                  Look at the 2010 numbers about when abortion should be legal:

                  56% “pro-life” Illegal or Legal only in a few circum- stances
                  Like: to save the life or physical health of the mother, rape/incest, severe congenital abnormalities

                  40% “pro-choice”
                  Legal under any or most circum-stances
                  That more people are “pro-life” than “pro-choice” isn’t an opinion or an argument, it is a fact.

                  1. Really? The pro-life position is a-okay with abortion in some circumstances? Last I checked, the pro-life position is that a fetus is a child, abortion is murder, and I’m pretty sure a murder isn’t the solution to rape or incest in any conservative’s mind.

                    Here are the numbers:
                    24% Approve of abortion under any circumstances
                    54% Approve of abortion under “certain circumstances”
                    19% Illegal under all circumstances

                    Unless pro-lifers are suddenly okay with aborting babies with Downs Syndrome, the ONLY group up there that reflects the opinion of social conservatives is the last one, 19%.

                    78% of the American public is okay with abortion, with or without limitations. According to the numbers, many people would like to see more regulation by government, but the conservative pro-life position is a clear minority. Abortion as a procedure has wide support and isn’t going anywhere, and you are greatly kidding yourself if the trend lines indicate anything else.*

                    *I will admit that advances in contraceptives and their widespread use could possibly end abortion as we know it sometime in the future.

                    1. You’re acting intentionally stupid now Bingo. Virtually ALL hardcore pro-lifers consider abortion acceptable to save the life of the mother. Weasely “pro-life” politicians (including Michelle Bachmann IIRC) accept it in cases of rape and incest. Most people abort severely congenitally deformed or unviable children. Even Trig Palin only had a 1 in 10 shot at making it to term if his Mom was someone other than Sarah Palin. Most people do not consider abortion acceptable as “family planning”.

                    2. Weasely “pro-life” politicians (including Michelle Bachmann IIRC) accept it in cases of rape and incest.

                      In such cases, would not the unborn be considered a foreign invader?

                      And we all know the ethics of killing foreign invaders.

          2. Catholics pro-life? Only those that didn’t have like 6 siblings….ZING!!

  15. It’s nice to know the philosophical basis of American Conservatism is ten miles wide and .012 inch deep. I’d hate to think I had misjudged them.

  16. “The foot soldiers in the conservative movement have for so long been pro-lifers. You can’t win a national election by throwing these people away. We aren’t going to stand for it.”

    The door’s unlocked–get flock out of the GOP!

    Go back to being Southern Democrats, where they still think other people’s rights should be put up to a vote…

    That’s what the Democrats still think about guns. That’s what they think about a lot of things.

    The Party of Reagan and Goldwater doesn’t need these social conservatives…they’re a millstone around our necks.

    The GOP was better off back when the Moral Majority was still giving money to Democrats anyway…

    If America’s tent is too big for wedge issue bible thumpers, then the door isn’t just unlocked–it’s off its hinges! Get out!

    1. The problem is there are 3 republicans, not 2. There are the freedom loving fiscal cons, the so-cons and the squishy cons that try and bring the so-cons and fiscal cons to the table by promising both that the other will give them what they want if they just vote republican. What needs to happen is the squishy cons need to choose a fucking side.

      1. I think it goes to the grass roots.

        I think it’s Republican constituents and swing voters who need to choose a side.

        The bozos we elect will follow the crowd to wherever they go–see Medicare Prescription Rx benefit lovin’, TARP spearheading John Boehner–the Tea Party Speaker?!–as an example.

        I see Palin, incidentally, as having something else in common with Goldwater and the Gipper–I think she’s way ahead of the curve on public sentiment out there.

        Let the Democrats have the wedge issues. Let them worry about how to steer public policy while trying to win elections on issues like the Terri Schiavo case…

        It’s been a mismatch since day 1. I hope they go away. I hope they sliver into their little nooks and become Democrats. All those bible thumpin’ Democrats! …but I’m talking about the constituents!

        Those grass roots who he says won’t stand for it? I hope they all become Democrats.

        That would be perfect!

      2. I would say the third leg of the conservative stool is the war cons*. There are definitely squishes, but they tend to identify with one of the other groups.

        *AKA National greatness conservatives.

    2. Go back to being Southern Democrats, where they still think other people’s rights should be put up to a vote..

      Right, that’s EXACTLY what pro-lifers support. Do you support the Strawman Brotherhood or something?

    3. Go back to being Southern Democrats, where they still think other people’s rights should be put up to a vote…

      And what rights would they be?

      The Party of Reagan and Goldwater doesn’t need these social conservatives…they’re a millstone around our necks.

      And these social conservatives will vote Dem, and we then get the “best” of both worlds- increased government intervention in the economy and socially conservative public policies.

  17. Why is teh gays not the gays?

    1. ‘Cause that’s the Male Gayz.

      1. wtf, I can’t get a straight answer to this. Seriously why write ‘teh’ instead of ‘the’.

        1. “teh” is cutesy “Internet-speak”. In a sane and just world, use of the term would result in a death sentence. Alas, our world is neither sane, nor just.

          1. I understand ‘teh’. But I don’t understand why it is so often used when referring to gays. Rereading the post I see Nick also uses ‘cuz’ instead of ‘because’.

            1. “And dig this. CPAC has taken heat for inviting Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, cuz he called for a “truce” on social war stuff:”

              yet later

              “It’s because they’ve invited Sophie B. Hawkins to headline a CPAC party. “

              1. You do not understand the ways of The Jacket. Most of his methods are hidden to you.

                One cannot but examine it.

            2. Nick = hipster coolness. You are not worthy. None of us is.

              1. well teh hepcats are out of control

                1. “Teh” is the blog equivalent of Comic Sans.

                  1. wtf is comic sans?

              2. None of us are, no one among us is.

                1. “None” means “not one.”

    2. “teh ghey” is a way of deriding those who are irrationally opposed to homosexuals. It’s sort of like the “dey tuk our jerbs!” only for gays.

  18. Wait, I thought GOProud was a bunch of people who were out of the closet about being Republicans. These days, it seems that would constitute fewer than 10% of the population.

  19. So…they’re all about individual liberty? The right to act according to your own will?

    What if the individual is gay? Are they only allowed to act according to the non-gay part of their own will?

  20. Guess what? There is a C in CPAC for a reason. I know, shocking isn’t it?

    Hawkins is a big pro-Hillary tax-and-spend type, so she’s good for GOProud.

  21. I’m thankful that they are leaving. Those people only gave lip service to limited government. They are the ones that voted to ban online gambling. I wish they would leave.

  22. The real problem with this world is that we can’t imagine individuals existing as competing and opposing units living under the same society. It is possible to be anti-gay marriage and still be opposed to forcing that view onto others by the force of law.

  23. At this rate of socon scum drop out it will be interesting to see how Gary Johnson does in the strawpoll.

  24. On the other hand, the Republican Liberty Caucus will be at CPAC in full force.

    http://www.rlc.org/

  25. One thing it’s important for libertarian-leaning GOPers to realize is that if a non-SoCon does win a primary, he does not have to reach out to ie felch for SoCons. They will fall in line. There is a place for those Neanderthals and it’s at the fucking call center.

    1. Those who believe the US has the right to invade countries and kill civilians on a whim are far more Neanderthalic than those who don’t enjoy state sanction of homosexual behavior.

      No one ever died or lost a limb due to lack of marriage.

      1. Newsflash: those groups heavily overlap.

      2. No one ever died or lost a limb due to lack of marriage.

        Edward the Fifth and Richard, Duke of York would disagree with you.

        Jus’ sayin’

  26. Re: the picture.

    Which one is John and which one is MNG?

    1. We have a winner.

  27. I’m curious how a government refusing to recognize gay marriage is thereby “bigger” than one that does recognize it. If anything, a government that more promiscuously offers the teat of statutory marriage benefits would rightly be deemed bigger.

    1. Opposing Teh Kristians is always more important than ideological consistency.

      1. It drives the SoCon libertarians to the Constitution Party. Down here in Dixie we got SoCon anarchists.

        1. It’s even tougher for law-and-order libertarians like myself to find a home.

          1. You could always gay marry a left-libertarian and move into a fabulous authoritarian bungalow.

      2. From your lips to God’s navel.

    2. Should the government not recognize interracial marriages because it’s fewer people that can’t get statutory marriage benefits?

      1. Should the government not recognize interracial marriages because it’s fewer people that can’t get statutory marriage benefits?

        No.

        It is different for same-sex marriages because there is nothing more wholesome and necessary than establishing a free, self-governing commonwealth on the basis of the family as consisting in and springing forth from the union of one man and one woman in the holy estate of matrimony. Recognizing traditional marriages furthers that goal, while recognizing same-sex marriage does not.

  28. As a true Libertarian I have no problem with the gays which is why some of these so-called Tea Partiers bother me.

  29. That was a quality jam from Sophie B. Hawkins back in the day.

    As for this news story, I applaud CPAC all the more for allowing Mitch Daniels and GLAD and all these other folks. An individual’s desire for a small government has little to do with what arrouses them sexually.

    1. On the other hand, someone’s desire for a BIG government gets me aroused.

  30. But then again, tolerance is a virtue.

    Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

    1. Newt, is that you?

  31. I remember living behind a church were Brian Lamb, and a bunch of these CNN guys used too have a wood shop. At that place of residence someone thought I needed an exorcist, after playing in the mud the way very young children will sometimes with my uncle who mixed a glass of this red clay in water and told me it was chocolate milk. After doing so I broke out with ring worm all over my body and my mom told me it was writing that could not be understood so she had a priest come in from the church. I had a fever of well over a hundred and I was a bloody mess with the infection. The priest came in with outer guys and one had a camera. One priest would throw me across the room well the other snapped a picture. I would fall on furniture and the floor and they would tell me get on the bed, don’t get off the bed very loud and when I would crawl back on the bed they would pick me up and throw me over and over again well the other priest would snap another picture and this went on till one guy said we have enough picture and they left me in the blood, mud, and bedding, then my aunt came in with some save that was for ring worm. She spread the save and kidded me about dying when the rings got to my heart. After getting well I went back to the wood shop and the guys had made me a special shield and gave me my sword which were both made of wood and I had to fight one of the guys in my shorts because I did not want to remove them and the other guy was naked. I was still not up too speed and lost the battle. They then called me the bad guy and this group was supposed to be my gate keeper or something like that appointed by the priests. My Dad did not like them much also but that did not matter much because someone at the church was going to be my new dad till he said no, my mom cried allot, my dad was gone and I healed up, but I still have a case that will take these garbage bags out.

    My family, military.
    As a child I fell from a tree in Washington State during a visit to grand ma and pa and out of my shoulder came a device, that looked much like today’s rfid glass chip.
    The military and prisons have always been used to make men according to themselves because that is what they are taught to believe. Well they made Saddam Hussein and killed him, in their way so what does
    anyone have to look forward too when the supposed outcome has nothing to offer after time heals unsound conflict misdirected at ourselves serving no one but harming us all for no better reason than sex.
    The making of villains and hero’s are as fabricated by this process as much as Hollywood would have us all believe that when looking for information on Noriega IE:Manuel Antonio we would find a rapper. IE:wrapper used to cover up the involvement of this complex deception.
    They also have twisted the idea that religion is the good guys and non religious people are the bad guys when fact is the use of leaders in any nation is based on their ability to control by what ever means not how much they love the unseen but how effective they are in controlling the seen, people by what ever means be it the gun or the nun without clear guide or depth of law designed without test?
    Set up a marriage force a person to except the will of others through outside manipulation of events sounds like a chapter from Matchmaker but it is as true as the people doing it and if they cant get their way they just keep it up till they get what they want and that spells death, money, power, control, over life itself taking free will?
    There is no justification in a process when we are used by murderous people lead to believe that justice has validity when its not just at
    all.
    Michelle Obama was not always Obama.
    She gave bible studies to my sister who would come in throw her legs up and say do it or I will tell running the house with the enabling of the fact my mother had to have something to do with this and every other minor detail of our lives.
    Even the administration tried to get the right to set people up and lost that in court but that is still done daily at our neighborhood WalMart ambush center full of those with little to do. This was part of an ongoing scam put into place quite likely before we were even born to make a sex offender registry when Fox news and their new star Oprah came to the school with the cast of the new media and drugged me with the help of my sisters drugs used by school officials in an effort to start their campaign of building a sex offender registry. Little did they care in the frenzy to find fault did they take time to look beyond the water works or listen any more to what could have helped them then to better understand the wrongs they were planning.
    I was under age at the time so they needed the fall guy to make legal the most wasteful and worthless way of money laundering on the planet, taking and wasting lives over sex and selling their livelihood for personal gain.
    People were there like Mrs. Norton who I told then I would have to play this thing out to know. Michelle Obama/Greenage/Robinson in a discussion on the couch in her apartment told me that she asks that her mother at least be able to sleep in the Whitehouse before I said anything. She also tole me I better answer her call or she would kill me herself, well shes not the 1st or the last telling me they are going to kill me. I have gotten death threats all my life, having been setup to find answers with nothing but the shirt on my back. I try to make these short but it’s allot and to continue would be to ignore my life when the setup was before I was born, now who is sick?
    maybe people would like to hear about when AS served me sausage.

  32. I remember living behind a church were Brian Lamb, and a bunch of these CNN guys used too have a wood shop. At that place of residence someone thought I needed an exorcist, after playing in the mud the way very young children will sometimes with my uncle who mixed a glass of this red clay in water and told me it was chocolate milk. After doing so I broke out with ring worm all over my body and my mom told me it was writing that could not be understood so she had a priest come in from the church. I had a fever of well over a hundred and I was a bloody mess with the infection. The priest came in with outer guys and one had a camera. One priest would throw me across the room well the other snapped a picture. I would fall on furniture and the floor and they would tell me get on the bed, don’t get off the bed very loud and when I would crawl back on the bed they would pick me up and throw me over and over again well the other priest would snap another picture and this went on till one guy said we have enough picture and they left me in the blood, mud, and bedding, then my aunt came in with some save that was for ring worm. She spread the save and kidded me about dying when the rings got to my heart. After getting well I went back to the wood shop and the guys had made me a special shield and gave me my sword which were both made of wood and I had to fight one of the guys in my shorts because I did not want to remove them and the other guy was naked. I was still not up too speed and lost the battle. They then called me the bad guy and this group was supposed to be my gate keeper or something like that appointed by the priests. My Dad did not like them much also but that did not matter much because someone at the church was going to be my new dad till he said no, my mom cried allot, my dad was gone and I healed up, but I still have a case that will take these garbage bags out.

    My family, military.
    As a child I fell from a tree in Washington State during a visit to grand ma and pa and out of my shoulder came a device, that looked much like today’s rfid glass chip.
    The military and prisons have always been used to make men according to themselves because that is what they are taught to believe. Well they made Saddam Hussein and killed him, in their way so what does
    anyone have to look forward too when the supposed outcome has nothing to offer after time heals unsound conflict misdirected at ourselves serving no one but harming us all for no better reason than sex.
    The making of villains and hero’s are as fabricated by this process as much as Hollywood would have us all believe that when looking for information on Noriega IE:Manuel Antonio we would find a rapper. IE:wrapper used to cover up the involvement of this complex deception.
    They also have twisted the idea that religion is the good guys and non religious people are the bad guys when fact is the use of leaders in any nation is based on their ability to control by what ever means not how much they love the unseen but how effective they are in controlling the seen, people by what ever means be it the gun or the nun without clear guide or depth of law designed without test?
    Set up a marriage force a person to except the will of others through outside manipulation of events sounds like a chapter from Matchmaker but it is as true as the people doing it and if they cant get their way they just keep it up till they get what they want and that spells death, money, power, control, over life itself taking free will?
    There is no justification in a process when we are used by murderous people lead to believe that justice has validity when its not just at
    all.
    Michelle Obama was not always Obama.
    She gave bible studies to my sister who would come in throw her legs up and say do it or I will tell running the house with the enabling of the fact my mother had to have something to do with this and every other minor detail of our lives.
    Even the administration tried to get the right to set people up and lost that in court but that is still done daily at our neighborhood WalMart ambush center full of those with little to do. This was part of an ongoing scam put into place quite likely before we were even born to make a sex offender registry when Fox news and their new star Oprah came to the school with the cast of the new media and drugged me with the help of my sisters drugs used by school officials in an effort to start their campaign of building a sex offender registry. Little did they care in the frenzy to find fault did they take time to look beyond the water works or listen any more to what could have helped them then to better understand the wrongs they were planning.
    I was under age at the time so they needed the fall guy to make legal the most wasteful and worthless way of money laundering on the planet, taking and wasting lives over sex and selling their livelihood for personal gain.
    People were there like Mrs. Norton who I told then I would have to play this thing out to know. Michelle Obama/Greenage/Robinson in a discussion on the couch in her apartment told me that she asks that her mother at least be able to sleep in the Whitehouse before I said anything. She also tole me I better answer her call or she would kill me herself, well shes not the 1st or the last telling me they are going to kill me. I have gotten death threats all my life, having been setup to find answers with nothing but the shirt on my back. I try to make these short but it’s allot and to continue would be to ignore my life when the setup was before I was born, now who is sick?
    maybe people would like to hear about when AS served me sausage.

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