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Scott Walker To Commit $400 Million in Taxpayer Dollars for NBA Stadium Deal

Meet the new fiscally responsible Republican, same as the old fiscally responsible Republican.

Breitbart.comBreitbart.comWhile ongoing reportage of the Donald Trump Traveling Tijuana Donkey Show crashes into the latest revelations from Hillary Clinton's Personal Email Server Fun Times Revue, there's a more pedestrian scandal taking place in plain sight.

This one involves Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin, who's running on his tough-as-nails budget-cutting credentials. Come tomorrow, Walker will commit no less than $400 million of taxpayer money to a stadium deal to keep the NBA Bucks in Milwaukee:

The state would put $250 million toward the arena, with interest adding up over decades. The subsidy, approved last month with bipartisan support in Wisconsin’s Republican-controlled legislature, wasn’t addressed in the first presidential debate Thursday. That might change in future forums—or attack ads.

That's bad enough, of course. But what makes the situation even worse is that Walker is actually trying to sell it as something other politically motivated corporate welfare of the basest sort:

Walker, 47, argues that the subsidy is a "good deal," partly because Wisconsin would lose revenue if the Bucks leave, as they had threatened. The owners of the Bucks, a team whose value Forbes pegged at $600 million, will pick up half the cost of the $500 million arena.

Read more from Bloomberg here.

You got that? A business worth $600 million doesn't have the cash or the credit to build its own damn palace (despite covering just half of costs, the Bucks will get virtually all revenue generated by venue forever and ever amen).

The plain fact is that professional sports teams do not increase economic activity, especially when they play in taxpayer-financed stadiums. As Dennis Coates and other economists have shown, pro sports teams are generally a net drag on local economies because they suck so hard at the public teat. Coates and a colleague found that on average, residents of cities with major sports franchises have about $40 less per capita income that folks lucky enough to live in pro-sports-free zones.

Walker's plan was denounced by the Koch-brothers-backed Americans for Prosperity and a wide range of other groups who prefer not to see economics bent to political expediency.

“How does [Walker] explain it to undecided or Republican primary voters?” asks Kenneth Mayer, a University of Wisconsin poli-sci prof. The short answer: He doesn't, any more than he explains his late-breaking conversion in favor of ethanol subsidies.

Record numbers of people think that politicians are full of shit. This sort of deal, especially when coming from somebody who claims to be a brutal cost-cutter and tough guy, is one of the many reasons for that. A Republican who lays down for wealthy businesses while bossing around the poors (recall that Walker not so long ago floated the unconstitutional idea of making welfare recipients piss into cups despite high costs and no clear benefit) is a cliche that never goes out of fashion.

For a thorough understanding of how Walker plays fast and loose with cronyism via a pile of money known as the Wisconsin Economic Development Corporation, read Peter Suderman's profile from the July issue of Reason. A snippet:

Walker [claims] that "in the areas where government has an appropriate role to play...taxpayers not only deserve but should expect and demand that government carry out its functions exceptionally well." The WEDC is technically not a government agency, but it was created by government, funded by taxpayers, and overseen by elected officials—with Scott Walker chief among them. It is hard to make a case that the WEDC has functioned well, let alone exceptionally.

Reason TV recently asked the question: "Sports Stadiums are Bad Public Investments. So Why Are Cities Still Paying for Them?" (Spoiler alert: BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE POLITICIANS' MONEY!). Take a look, why don't you?

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  • AlmightyJB||

    Is that going to be Old Milwaukee stadium?

  • 0x90||

    Milwaukee's Best Stadium.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Oh fancy beer drinker. You hold your pinky up when you drink that?

  • ||

    People here make fun of me for drinking Heineken. Fucking beer elitists.

  • AlmightyJB||

    I like Heineken. Haven't had it for a while. Actually sounds pretty good. Back in the ancient times there was a bar that had cocktail shrimp for 10 cents a piece for MNF. Used to down Heiniken's and tons of shrimp there every Monday night with an old friend.

  • KDN||

    Heineken in Europe is quite tasty. Heineken in America (and most common other Euro lagers) tastes like skunk piss.

  • D. M. Michell||

    I haven't drunk skunk piss. Can you tell me what it tastes like.... Oh wait. It tastes like American produce Heineken. Guess I'll have to get me a skunk. ;-)

  • Harun||

    Do you want gout?

    Because that's how you get gout.

  • MichaelL||

    I call that BS! Gout is a lack of processing of uric acid. It is a genetic disease! It is a lack of certain enzymes!

  • MichaelL||

    The uric acid comes from breakdown of DNA! Hard to find any food without DNA!

  • 0x90||

    No, I just prefer that my beer taste more of the aluminum can, than of the beer itself.

  • ||

    I recommend Natty Boh. It has a vaguely nutty taste of aluminum can combined with a fleeting, yet satisfying and lingering aftertaste of industrial grade plastisol.

  • Derpetologist||

    But it has a mustachioed cyclops on the can!

    And don't you dare speak ill of Lone Star beer, the national beer of Texas. The caps have fun picture riddles on them!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebus

  • AlmightyJB||

    Picture riddles? But what about the childrenz?

  • Derpetologist||

    What, is there some law that children can't drink beer? When did that happen?

    Geez, when did this country get so uptight?

    David Copperfield was drinking in pubs by the age of 12!

  • AlmightyJB||

    I still remember Black Label milkshakes on a trip to a great uncles farm in Wisconsin. I was maybe 6 or 7 give or take a year. Tried making those as an adult to relive the experience. Some things are better left to memory.

  • Derpetologist||

    Beware of any alcoholic drink which has the word "black" in the title. I learned that the hard way from CAMO BLACK:

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/be.....881/57931/

    Smells like artificial grape flavoring, energy drink, and Flintstones vitamins.

    Tastes godawful. Very harshly astringent, vague paper and grape juice flavors, descending into utter malaise and ennui. Way overcarbonated and fizzy, rapidly fades into a numbing boozy aftertaste.

    The experience of drinking a can in picture form

  • AlmightyJB||

    Malt Liquor. Yeap. That'll do it

  • Derpetologist||

  • Cytotoxic||

    404? Intentionally brilliant?

  • lap83||

    404 Not Found?
    Been there.

  • lap83||

    404 Not Found?
    Been there.

  • Derpetologist||

    The 404 error works too. This is what I meant:

    http://www.searlecanada.org/sc.....guish2.jpg

    Fun fact: this is what happened when Agile Cyborg was in kindergarten and tried to draw a smiley face.

  • AlmightyJB||

    That reminds me of my childhood.

  • Swiss Servator, zum Haus||

    Purple drank!

  • SIV||

    Rebus puzzles

  • Swiss Servator, zum Haus||

    Try Hamm's then...

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    NO YOU DIDN'T

    There's a Hamm's light. I had to cross state lines to get it.

  • ||

    Meh, Walker has not done one thing to impress me yet.

    You know, I might be more impressed if he'd spent a couple of years in congress and having voted every single time on everything exactly the way I'd like to see him vote. There is this guy who HAS done that, trying to think of this name.

    Or it might help if I could hear him just say something remotely libertarian.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Well I'm sure that if he was talking to you, he would tell you whatever you wanted to hear.

  • ||

    And I'd totally believe it! I can't wait to vote for Hillary!

  • widget||

    He stood down public sector unions (aside from police/fire) as governor of Wisconsin. That certainly impressed me, but he seems to be a one-hit wonder.

  • ||

    Yeah. I say we dig deeper and find out more about that story. Although apparently, the guy was up against some extremely thuggish behavior, as made apparent by the John Doe trials thing and he did stand his ground.

    I just see in Walker, another Rubio type guy. He may occasionally do something that seems good to libertarians, but I expect that he's going to tow a heavy neocon lion.

  • Harun||

    Might have been busy running for elections.

    Also, Wisconsin is a blue state. I don't think being a hard-ass on a sports stadium gets a lot of votes. I hate these deals, too, but many folks don't get it.

  • MichaelL||

    Hyperion,

    Justin Amash is his name!

  • Harold Falcon||

    What a fucking toolbag. He can't leave the field soon enough.

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    He's still one of the top five best candidates in the field.

  • wareagle||

    in a country of more than 300 million, these candidates are 'the best' that America has to offer.

    Comedy or tragedy? Discuss.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Just be thankful Honey Boo Boo isn't old enough to run. She might be leading the polls.

  • 0x90||

    Eventuality.

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    Kylie Jenner/Honey Boo Boo 2052

  • Swiss Servator, zum Haus||

    *ponders hemlock on the rocks*

  • Cytotoxic||

    Yup.

  • NYer||

    A very low bar.

    1. Rand Paul

    2. Rick Perry
    3. Carly Fiorina
    4. Ted Cruz
    5. Scott Walker
    The low bar

  • Jerryskids||

    1. Anybody but Jeb!
    2. Anybody but Anybody but Jeb!
    3. Whoever's most likely to die in a plane crash while campaigning
    4. Barry Goldwater's corpse
    5. This weird fungus I just found growing behind the toilet in the downstairs bath

  • bassjoe||

    Wait. Isn't #2.... Jeb!?

  • Christophe||

    What is up with this election cycle? Candidates betraying their stated and demonstrated principles is supposed to happen in the general election, not the primary.

  • ||

    The unquestioning naivete of the electorate has emboldened them greatly. Soon, we'll be just like any other banana repbulic. They won't even make any effort to hide it.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    What is up with this election cycle?

    They're all whores - until they douche appropriately that is.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Here's another juicebox. Fruit punch this time. No more sugar after this, it's almost bedtime!

  • wareagle||

    is Reason saying publicly-financed stadiums and arenas is a bad idea? I didn't know.

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    I had an argument with a friend about this and he just. Did. Not. Get it. Ironically, it was about the Bucks stadium when we were talking about the government subsidizing a new one because he lives in Milwaukee.

    Basically, the argument goes like this: Without the stadium, what would all those bars do! The stadium creates money in the local economy!

    It never occurred to him that people would probably spend a lot of that money anyway because without a stadium it's not like they'd just bury all their cash in the backyard.

  • ant1sthenes||

    If it was that awesome for them, the bars could fucking invest in it.

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    A sports and bar based economy is almost as awesome as a dance based economy!

    "I speak, obviously, of the dance sector. Now, admittedly, I’d never actually seen or heard the phrase “dance sector” before it turned up last week in a breathless Fairfax account of senate hearings into arts funding. But there it was, as bold as you like, right at the top of the 14th paragraph: “The dance sector warned funding instability would have flow-on effects to tertiary and TAFE courses, with graduates possibly facing fewer job opportunities.”

    "As Australia transitions from a mineral export-based economy to a dance-based economy, it is clearly important to make certain that the dance sector is as stable as possible. Choreographer Lucy Guerin told the hearings that to do otherwise would risk us “eventually severing the future of artistic development in Australia and setting us back 30 years”."

  • AlmightyJB||

    There's always a pole nearby

  • lap83||

    ""As Australia transitions from a mineral export-based economy to a dance-based economy, it is clearly important to make certain that the dance sector is as stable as possible. "

    After reading a sentence like that, I can almost understand why Westerners join ISIS

  • Gomerphobe||

    Aren't you just saying that businesses don't add to the economy? That strikes me as an odd position to take, the sort that we hear about keeping big business and Walmart out etc. "Everyone will just spend their money anyway if we keep Walmart out, plus that money will go to local businesses not korparashuns"

    I think it's pretty basic that the sports teams bring wealth into the community, like any other business. That could be negated by welfare, but the basics don't change. But apparently in this case the voters want to pay for this. I don't agree with it, but I can't exactly blame it on Walker alone.

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    "Aren't you just saying that businesses don't add to the economy? That strikes me as an odd position to take, the sort that we hear about keeping big business and Walmart out etc. "Everyone will just spend their money anyway if we keep Walmart out, plus that money will go to local businesses not korparashuns""

    I'm not saying businesses add nothing to a local economy, what I'm saying is that an ENTERTAINMENT business provides far less in economic returns than is provided to it through subsidies.

    We're not talking about a seriously productive industry - we're talking about entertainment. Wal-Mart provides more benefit to the local community by far than a basketball team does. I do think that people have a certain amount of money they'd spend on entertainment no matter what and they'd just spend it somewhere else otherwise. It's not the same thing as something like Wal-Mart, where they actually provide goods at far lower cost and greater efficiency than any competitors.

  • Gomerphobe||

    You're just inserting your own subjective version of value for someone else's and pretending its objective. There's no difference between the entertainment business and any other unless you believe things have objective value.

  • BearOdinson||

    I agree in the sense that if the people want to spend money on entertainment, then the market will provide venues. And for that matter, stores like Walmart provide stuff for entertainment like TVs, iPods, books (just kidding!!) and of course the priceless value of watching the people who actually shop at Walmart.

    If a sports team does provide true value for the community, then the people who want it, or the people who could benefit from it should be the ones to pay for it.

    And everyday, I come closer to question my sticking it out with Team Red (though I still like Paul and Cruz, and I would still vote for Rubio or Fiorina).

    BTW: Being originally from NY, just want to stress that the new Yankee stadium was privately funded!

  • MichaelL||

    Most taxpayers never set a foot into any stadium. We should no be paying for hem if e never benefit from them!

  • ||

    So has Tulpa retired the Bo character? Normally he'd be all over a Scott Walker thread.

  • ||

    Looks like he's focusing on his ButtFace alter-ego right now.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Who shit in your hot tub?

  • Lord at War||

    must have been the dude with the 4 yr buttplug...

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Libertarians for Scott Walker!

    HE IS TEAM RED AFTER ALL!

  • PapayaSF||

    Disappointing....

  • Derpetologist||

    Not the dumbest thing in Milwaukee by a long shot. It is a place where you need a license to go out of business.

  • Swiss Servator, zum Haus||

    Wait...what?!

  • Derpetologist||

    Gaze upon my mighty derp and despair!

    http://www.nysun.com/opinion/g.....-up/84916/

    Marc Bold spent 35 years working in hardware before giving it up this summer. He sold his building, liquidated his stock, and closed up T&M True Value on the south side of Milwaukee.

    For which the City of Milwaukee hit him with a $510 fee. Don't try telling him we're a society that underregulates business.
  • Swiss Servator, zum Haus||

    Dafuq?

    *retrieves Knight of the Derp Table armor and shield* might need this...

  • MJGreen - Docile Citizen||

    How European.

  • Sir Chips Alot||

    lolwut?

  • Rich||

    Hillary Clinton's Personal Email Server Fun Times Revue

    I *think* I know the true underlying scandal here: Bill and Anthony were using Hillary's server for their sexting.

  • AlmightyJB||

    ?

  • Rich||

    Think about it, JB. Hillary and Huma both had accounts, so you know Slick Willie and Weiner were on there, too. Hillary *had* to delete that stuff, etc., etc.

    *** bites lip ***

  • AlmightyJB||

    ok. I wasn't following. I thought there was some joke about Bill and someone named Anthony sexting each other that I wasn't getting:)

  • Rich||

    Well, there's probably that, too.

  • Intelligent Mr Toad||

    Money for sports, but not for science. Typical brain-dead republican.

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    ^ I hope this is a joke but have a sneaking suspicion it's not.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Ignore the shiny thing on the end of the string. He's not related to Mr. Lizard.

  • lap83||

    “I look forward to the day when the schools automatically receive the funds they need and the Pentagon holds bake sales to buy tanks.”

    /best liberal bumper sticker ever

  • lap83||

    “I look forward to the day when the schools automatically receive the funds they need and the Pentagon holds bake sales to buy tanks.”

    /best liberal bumper sticker ever

  • lap83||

    Squirrels! leave me alone!

  • Derpetologist||

    I had the same multipost problem. It went away when I got a new mouse.

  • lap83||

    Maybe the Wisconsin taxpayers will give me the funds for one if I spend part of the money on Ciderboys

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Wisconsin? Aren't you in that other state where they talk funny?

  • lap83||

    Pssht, who can remember? All these flyover states are the same

  • lap83||

    Actually, for your information.... I live in Kansas now and it has an incredibly rich and distinct flavor from Minnesota. Basically, fewer blonde people and trees. And winter is only about 4 months long instead of 6. Vastly different.

  • Swiss Servator, zum Haus||

    Sod you, Walker. Right in the ear.

    JEER THE DEER

  • Cytotoxic||

    OT: has anyone here played Alien: Isolation? Do the doors sometimes just not open for you either? Nice game Sega. Would like to play it if it weren't FOR YOUR FUCKING DOOR BUGS.

  • kfs||

    This bullshit is never going to stop until states start amending their constitutions to prohibit the use of taxpayer money to build pro sports stadiums. I won't hold my breath, but I was happy and surprised to hear that Boston rejected the summer Olympics.

  • AlgerHiss||

    Probably one of the best, most simple and easily understood questions to ask of any candidate, is the stadium question. Even if stadiums are not a current issue, ask it anyway.

    Unless the answer is a strong, unequivocal “There is no freak’n way one penny of taxpayer money is going to fund that nonsense.”, that person needs escorted into oblivion.

  • Alan Vanneman||

    Wisconsin has filed suit in federal court, asserting its right to make FS recipients be tested for drugs.

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/07.....ecipients/

  • AlmightyJB||

    That's what happens when people don't understand math.

  • BearOdinson||

    The math is clear that it isn't cost effective and therefore isn't worth doing. But Nick was arguing in the article that it was unconstitutional? WTF?
    Frankly anyone who takes govt money (which means MY and YOUR money) without even having the decency to ask us for it, deserves whatever indignities are visited upon them.

  • bpuharic||

    Does that include money for stadiums?

  • blink||

    . A Republican who lays down for wealthy businesses while bossing around the poors (recall that Walker not so long ago floated the unconstitutional idea of making welfare recipients piss into cups despite high costs and no clear benefit) is a cliche that never goes out of fashion.

    How would the "poors" react if their sports team moved out of the state? Whom might they blame? This isn't strictly laying down for wealthy businesses. A lot of people care about their local sports team and would be upset if the team moves. Maybe the owner gets all the blame or maybe the governor becomes a target of that anger.

    There is a significant social impact that professional sports teams have on the surrounding community. Franchise owners have a lot of leverage because they know many people are emotionally tied to the team. They might be a net financial drain but they can also be strong factor in social cohesion and culture identity for a city.

  • NYer||

    I'm not sure if that's a good enough reason to leave the tax payer on the hook for 400 million dollars. If anything this is an argument for why no team, in the NFL or the NBA, should get tax payer funds to pay for their stadiums. A business regardless of its emotional connection to its community should still sink or swim on their own.

    Now if the community really cares about keeping that team in their city then they have the choice of voluntarily buying tickets for the games, buying their products, or fundraising for them. Anything else is just crony capitalism wrapped in feel good bullshit.

    Certainly a fiscal conservative like Scott Walker who claims to believe in the Free Market should demand that a team worth $550 million dollars pay for their own stadium. Or at least provide more of service to the city and the state other than being a shitty team in Milwaukee

  • blink||

    Now if the community really cares about keeping that team in their city then they have the choice of voluntarily buying tickets for the games, buying their products, or fundraising for them. Anything else is just crony capitalism wrapped in feel good bullshit.

    Seattle wouldn't pony up for the city's professional basketball team, good for them. However, Oklahoma was willing to so they moved to Oklahoma. The reality is that professional sports team have a lot of leverage due to their limited number and high demand. If one city won't subsidize stadium costs their are plenty of other cities/states that will, with the enthusiastic support of a significant number of their citizens.

  • NYer||

    Which is why no city or state should seek to subsidize these teams. This perverse incentive should be removed from market place. That way this "leverage" the teams have is non-existent. And if the wealthy owners of these teams complain, who cares, hell any politician worth his salt should be able frame this as, "Look I've been a bucks fan since I was in Diapers, but I'll be damned if I allow 2 Hedge Fund operators milk the tax payer out of 400 million dollars!" Much as I hate populist campaigns they are very effective.

  • Cytotoxic||

    There is a significant social impact that professional sports teams have on the surrounding community. Franchise owners have a lot of leverage because they know many people are emotionally tied to the team. They might be a net financial drain but they can also be strong factor in social cohesion and culture identity for a city.

    1) How conveniently unverifiable and unfalsifiable!

    2) Don't care. It is not the government's job to ensure 'social cohesion and cultural identity'. The government's job is to bomb the shit out of ISIS and make sure the air and ocean pollution doesn't get too bad.

  • Harun||

    Its mere pandering.

    WI is a blue state. He's angered the unions so much...he knows he can't anger idiotic sports fans, too.

  • CatilineWoodchipperConspiracy||

    +1 bread and circus
    But seriously, if Walker was principled he would have taken any heat and saved the taxpayers $400 million. Now who wants to help me dig up Coolidge's corpse and run it for office?

  • AlgerHiss||

    "...How would the "poors" react ..."

    The "poors" can go straight to Hell. The "poors" hate and always ridicule the rich guy that maybe has a successful metal stamping company....or perhaps 4 NAPA stores...or owns a large HVAC company, but always ignore the wealthy NBA/NFL player or rich actors and Hollywood types.

    No, screw the "poors".

  • Jerryskids||

    Walker, 47, argues that the subsidy is a "good deal,"
    .
    Well, just getting him to admit it's a subsidy and not an investment is still a pret......shit, there ain't no quote marks around that word "subsidy" is there? Do I really want to do a quick Google search and see if Walker regularly refers to the wallet-hoovering as an "investment"?
    .
    Oh, wait - what's this? Walker's fundraising chief is a real estate developer who owns some land near the arena, has done some consulting work on the arena, is a part-owner of the Milwaukee Bucks and, and, and "serves on the board of a conservative think tank called the Wisconsin Policy Research Institute that says “competitive free markets, limited government, private initiative and personal responsibility are essential to our democratic way of life.” Well, surprise, surprise, surprise. A crony capitalist mouthing the platitudes whilst suckling at the government teat. Wanna see my shocked face?

  • Swiss Servator, zum Haus||

    Oh Gawd, that is crass and shallow. Thanks for sharing that. Screw you, Walker.

  • bassjoe||

    It honestly wouldn't surprise me if some prime real estate for this deal is held by a New Mexico LLC owned by an offshore trust.... and once Walker is no longer in politics, he somehow purchases a 10 acre oceanfront estate in San Diego.

  • BiMonSciFiCon||

    I am a Bucks fan and don't want the team to leave. That said, I don't think the taxpayers should be on the hook for my fandom.

  • Sevo||

    Tough one here.
    Walker's a dumb-shit for doing so, but where does he place in the dumb-shit competition?
    I'm arguing we prolly have Sanders tied with FDR for the gold (maybe LBJ contending?).

  • Sevo||

    On a 'local level', who pitched Boston's 'big dig'? Does it compare to the ~$12Bn (and counting) spent on the Brown brothers' ego sop of the SF Bay Bridge?
    I mean there must be a champion here; some politico with megalomania who hopes to top that fucking pretender to a throne FDR, right?

  • Railliar||

    This is a bit different in where the tax comes from. It is funded by the taxes that are paid by the basketball players. It's a so called "jock tax". It is the only way it could get through the Wi legislature. The thought is the state would lose the tax if the Bucks left and they would have. Personally I would have preferred to have the Menominee tribe finance it if they could have gotten their casino down in Kenosha. Walker turned them down. Milwaukee wouldn't be completely screwed but it would turn that area into a ghost town and lead to significant financial issues. Not to mention as part of the project the Bucks owners are going to put some serious money into developments in that area. So it is a net positive for the city of Milwaukee.

  • khaled25585||

  • Arthur45||

    If Scott Walker's experts claimthe subsidies are worthwhile, then I'll take their word over the ridiculously general statement that "Sports arenas NEVER are worthwhile investments."
    The argument advanced here is ludicously deficinet in specifics. Nick Gilles[ie will have to do better than this if he expects to slander Scott Walker's fiscal actions. We know for certain the good that Walker has accomplished.

  • Tony||

    If healthcare is never a good government investment then neither is sport. Come on.

  • ace_m82||

    I think Tony just pointed out a logical inconsistency! Congrats!

    We will wear him down yet.

    BTW Tony, you're right, just in the wrong way...

  • Agammamon||

    No, he's right here - our government is squandering a huge amount of money in a series of programs that are poorly managed (at best), are forcing prices up while reducing the quality of the product (insurance) all in a half-assed attempt to fix a problem that didn't exist in the first place (lace of access to health *care* vice health *insurance).

    And health care is *important*.

    If the government can't handle *that*, why would I think they could handle something pointless and as close to a 'non-public good' as a sports stadium?

  • Agammamon||

    If you think the stadium is a good investment for the state - pony up your own money and *ask* others to do so.

    Don't steal their hard-earned income at the point of a gun to support the building of a fucking *toy*.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Feel free to invest your own money.

  • block30||

    Another "fiscal conservative" shows his stripes.

  • Set Us Up The Chipper||

    Not good

  • Paul Sand||

    “How does [Walker] explain it to undecided or Republican primary voters?” asks Kenneth Mayer, a University of Wisconsin poli-sci prof. The short answer: He doesn't,[...]"

    Well, I found his explanation pretty easily:
    http://www.washingtonexaminer......le/2569423

    You may not like it (I don't), but it's out there.

  • ace_m82||

    recall that Walker not so long ago floated the unconstitutional idea of making welfare recipients piss into cups despite high costs and no clear benefit

    I'm no fan of my governor, but really?

    You're saying that welfare is unconstitutional, right? And therefore everything associated with it is also unconstitutional, right?

    You must be. I thought we were libertarians here.

  • Lord at War||

    If you want my money, I can ask you to anything... or, you don't get my money.

  • Dafyd||

    We see the beauty of Federalism at work here. If Wisconsin wants to do that, it can. If another state doesn't want to do that, it need not do so. The real question isn't whether Walker should spend tax dollars on a large sports arena, but whether he would do similar things as President.

  • ace_m82||

    Considering that it's easier to resist power when the power is less, then I would say, YES, he will do worse things as President.

    Also, it's not OK for them to send men with guns to take my hard-earned money and spend it on a stadium I will never go to to "help" businesses I don't own and don't use. It is slightly less evil than having the Federal government do it, however.

  • Agammamon||

    Considering he's jumped into the fray as *governor* and he's flip-flopped on ethanol subsidies - its pretty obvious he'll continue to do this sort of shit as president.

  • Fooseven||

    The state's jock tax provides the general state fund with a big annual stream of revenue (visiting nba players, set to make even more with the League's pending TV deal). Without public money, the owners would move the team to Seattle and get even more public money there.

    The state would lose the nba player revenue and need to spend a hundred million just to tear down the old arena...even more to renovate it.

    Omitting these financial elements makes this a pretty shallow drive by analysis.

  • Agammamon||

    OMG - you are seriously saying that they need to keep loosing money so they can avoid loosing more money?

    How about - fuck the bucks, if they leave, sell the stadium - or let it rot. The *state* is not getting the NBA player revenue, the *team* is. The state is getting some little bit of ass-wipe money thrown to them in the form of income taxes on the player's income.

  • Fooseven||

    I think your emotional reaction is based on theory principles, rather than the particular facts in this instance.

  • HenryC||

    Unfortunately there are other cities that would be only too happy to pay for an arena to get the team. Yes, it is crony capitalism, but it keeps the tax revenue in the state. The reason it is a good decision by Walker is unfortunately the other cities and states also run on crony capitalism and to keep their own state in competition, Walker has to also. It is rotten, but until it is made illegal country wide it is not going to stop.

  • Agammamon||

    ITS NOT A GOOD DECISION BY WALKER - because the money they'll spend on the stadium will eclipse the money they'll get in 'tax revenues'. This *always* happens. No fucking exceptions.

  • bassjoe||

    BUT CIVIC PRIDE!!!! You can't put a price on that, dude.

  • Agammamon||

    Christ Walker, why you gotta keep breaking my heart? I try to love you but you keep doing this shit.

    I can understand the ethanol flip-flop - on the national stage, you gotta pander to the corn farmers - but, seriously, a *governor* getting involved in what should be a municipal battle? And on the side of throwing more money away? Money you're going to take from people outside that city, all over the state, and funnel in to these fuckers? Let them leave.

  • bpuharic||

    Thank goodness the children of taxpayers will pay for this via higher tuition. The folks in WI have protecting the rich down to a science

  • D. M. Michell||

    I could care less about sports, especially basketball. It is criminal to spend tax dollars subsidizing sports teams. Maybe if they trimmed a few million dollars off of each of their elite player's salaries the sports teams could build their own damned stadium and arenas. And in Wisconsin, too. I've been to Wisconsin in the winter. You need, not want, need cold weather foot wear and clothing. Maybe the spend-thrift gov should subsidize shoe stores and clothing stores and grocery stores because you need food and gasoline because you need to drive to get to work and automobile dealerships because you need cars to get to work and....

  • Grant||

    Yes, a professional sport arena could and probably should be financed with private financing - but, at the same, it can be considered “infrastructure” that broadens the tax base. I wouldn’t ding a guy with Walker’s record too severely on this one.

  • Devil's Candy||

    Is could be considered god's own personal bidet, but is it really? I has been repeatedly shown that no broadening of the tax base occurs - on average it demonstrably does not increase the taxable income present in the city of residence.

  • Devil's Candy||

    Fiscal responsibility aside, this asshat is against Unions coercing money from unwilling people to further their agenda, but he is fine with a city government doing the exact same thing - just another unprincipled political hypocrite.

  • SF Pete||

    the state is issuing the bond, to be repaid by the Jock tax, and district tax, seat tax,..etc. it's a unique situation..I like Sullum, but he's off base....and the owners of the bucks are buying up land around the future site of the Arena complex( oh, not just one building), they are utilizing land( with state help) that has been barren in the middle of Milwaukee for 13 years...because of stupid democratic social engineering,. They have a solution for the ugly scar in the middle of the City,....Sullum needs to see it and understand why it's there. No one can afford to build there, what with the hiring requirements imposed,..( thank god the state got involved) there has never been a deal constructed like this EVER! Get your head out of your fourth point of contact. All studies done are obsolete when it comes to this one..further study is required before I read any more inanity.

  • SF Pete||

    oops, Gillespie, not Sullum. Ouch I read too much here..

  • Rockabilly||

    More sport's socialism as envisioned by central committee.

  • dunce||

    The bill was passed with bipartisan support, this is what the majority of the people want and they can afford it thanks to Scot Walker.

  • Arthur45||

    Now does Nick Gillespie really believe his assinine claim that every govt subsidy of sports
    organaizations are worthless? Gillespie is one crappy logician

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