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No Really: SWAT Team Raids House at 6 AM and Handcuffs Father of Three Young Kids to Execute a Dept. of Education Search Warrant for Estranged Wife's Defaulted Student Loans

I know Mike Riggs just mentioned it in the morning links, but if this story isn't a wake-up call about the militarization of police and criminalization of everything, then I'm afraid the patient is even deader than the Fourth Amendment. Read this, and weep for what your country has become:

STOCKTON, CA - Kenneth Wright does not have a criminal record and he had no reason to believe a S.W.A.T team would be breaking down his door at 6 a.m. on Tuesday.

"I look out of my window and I see 15 police officers," Wright said.

Wright came downstairs in his boxer shorts as a S.W.A.T team barged through his front door. Wright said an officer grabbed him by the neck and led him outside on his front lawn.

"He had his knee on my back and I had no idea why they were there," Wright said.

According to Wright, officers also woke his three young children ages 3, 7, and 11 and put them in a Stockton police patrol car with him. Officers then searched his house.

As it turned out, the person law enforcement was looking for was not there - Wright's estranged wife.

"They put me in handcuffs in that hot patrol car for six hours, traumatizing my kids," Wright said. [...]

The U.S. Department of Education issued the search and called in the S.W.A.T for his wife's defaulted student loans.

If you're not a subscriber to Reason, please A) subscribe, then B) go down to the corner newsstand or chain bookstore and pick up a copy of our special July issue on the shameful criminal justice system in this country. A Department of Education that's issuing search warrants is a Department of Education that deserves to be disbanded. A judge that approves a paramilitary-style dawn raid for a student loan search warrant is a judge that deserves to be disbarred. The police chief who authorized this use of force should be canned as well. These are just the preliminary steps that should (and won't) be taken in the wake of this latest demonstration of government brutality.

UPDATE: The Department of Education has e-mailed me to say that the raid was executed not for student loan defaulting, but as part of an unspecified "criminal investigation." Read the e-mail here.

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    Yet another reason not to allow the federal government into the student loan business. This is beyond ridiculous.

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    Exactly! What were they trying to find in the search? Stacks of money in the walls?

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    I can't find any link to the warrant. I too would like to know what they claimed was there that would be probative to loan default.

    Jesus Christ. Even I did not know that FUCKING EDUCATION BUREAUCRATS were allowed to issue warrants.

    This is full-out police state. Insurrection warranted.

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    This is a recent update, but. . .

    "The television station that first reported this has updated their story to note that it wasn’t a SWAT team, but the federal Office of the Inspector General (OIG). The OIG disputes that the issue was a default, but refuses to explain further:

    He went on to say OIG is a semi-independent branch of the U.S. Department of Education that executes warrants for criminal offenses such as student aid fraud and embezzlement of federal aid."

    Linky? Soitonly-- http://hotair.com/archives/201.....ent-loans/

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    If the OIG federal agents come through the door in body armor, helmets, and packing 5.56 rifles, then I think it's a distinction w/o much of a difference, Abdul, as to the exact name of the agency they work for.

    And why the OIG for the Department of Education has a law enforcement arm is absolutely mindboggling. We do have things called FBI agents and U.S. Marshalls. They're supposed to be rather good at their jobs. Why can't they handle the heavy lifting of serving a search warrant? Which, BTW, I'm having difficulty seeing why it couldn't be handled with a "friendly" knock on the door at 8AM, as opposed to taking it down with a fucking battering ram.

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    It's because most every federal employee wants to be a big man with a gun.

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    Got their ministries mixed up.

    "The Ministry of Truth, which concerned itself with news, entertainment, education and the fine arts. The Ministry of Peace, which concerned itself with war. The Ministry of Love, which maintained law and order. And the Ministry of Plenty, which was responsible for economic affairs."

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    This reminds me of the collection practices that mio cugino Guido used to enforce debt collection.

    Guido wasn't wantonly violent, but it was essential to get the word out that that he would not tolerate late payment of either principal or the vig. The victim in the present case does this very nicely at the end of the clip.

    More evidence that the State is no different from the Mob, La Cosa Nostra, the Mafia, MS-13, the Crips or the Bloods. It's just bigger and better organized, and has the advantage of indoctrinating the population for 12 years in coercive public schools.

  • ||

    Fuck you, pay me.

  • ||

    This is change you can believe in.

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    Yup. Hard (but obvious) for all the diehard Obama apologists out there: YOU GET WHAT YOU VOTE FOR.

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    Is this gonna be like the Czar thing where we blame Obama for it when it was in fact Nixon who instituted it? Are we gonna claim it's Obamas fault even though he has nothing to do with this?

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    Absolutely not. We're going to blame him for CONTINUING IT.

    Sorry, if he ain't changed it, he IS still part of the problem. Why is this so hard for either side to accept? If your guy continues or expands bad or criminal policy from previous administrations, HE IS JUST AS BAD OR WORSE THAN HIS PREDECESSORS.

    Send a better argument, please.

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    you blame him for continuing it, yet when he CONTINUES the search for Osama, finds him, and kills him, its the guy who started it who gets the credit? wtf is wrong with you people?

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    Yeah, what the fuck is wrong with you assholes that adam made up in his head?

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    He's the head of the executive branch and thus totally powerless over it. Yeah, yeah, we heard this apologism repeatedly before with continued medical marijuana raids/online poker/etc.

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    Is this gonna be like the Czar thing where we blame Obama for it when it was in fact Nixon who instituted it? Are we gonna claim it's Obamas fault even though he has nothing to do with this?

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    Right! You vote for Obama and he sends groups of armed officers to your homes! I'll never vote for Obama for Dept of Education again!

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    What the fuck are you talking about? Do you really think the president even knew about this warrant being served? YOU are part of the problem here; ignorant people that believe all the crap that spews out of their TV or they read off the internet. Go away or at least be quiet and keep to yourself.

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    Sounds like they were trying to make an example of somebody to encourage others to repay.

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    We are encouraged, alright.

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    Just....wow.

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    Long-time lurker, first-time reader. This story is what it took to push me over the edge and donate to reason.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    One of the Reason SWAT teams has been deployed to collect that donation. Do not resist.

  • ||

    Yeah but the Reason swat team shows up with hookers and blow. And, if you are lucky, The Jacket.

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    Same

    One day these Stupid beef cake idiot macho SWAT assholes will all shoot each other in some Pre-dawn raid confusing themselves for dogs or something. Sooner than later preferably

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    Already happened at least once.
    Check the Raid Map: http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

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    Don't see any botched raids in MT or WY. Is that because they don't raid, or they don't botch?

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    It's happened more than once. They sometimes go in too tightly stacked and do not follow basic gun safety rules (eg point in a safe direction, keep finger off trigger until ready to fire, etc.)

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    These are just the preliminary steps that should (and won't) be taken in the wake of this latest demonstration of government brutality.


    Serious question: Why won't these steps be taken?

    Also, what were they "really" looking for in the search? That is, what did the warrant say?

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    Answering myself in reverse order:

    According to the Department of Education's Office of the Inspector General, the case can't be discussed publicly until it is closed

    Of course.

    And this exemplifies why these steps won't be taken:
    "All I want is an apology for me and my kids and for them to get me a new door," Wright said.

    Million Pitchforks March is required.

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    tear

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    Blue is the new Brown.

  • the daily cannibal||

    Droll.

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    Were the student loans armed or high on meth? What the fudge?

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    God damn it. Just God damn it.

    CB

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    No words need be said.

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    And people don't think we live in a police state?

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    What possible justification can there be for searching someone's home over defaulted loans? If she defaulted, isn't the remedy (if any) civil, plus ruining her credit score? This one is hard to believe on so many levels.

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    Forget searching the home, which is bad in and of itself. What possible justification could they have for using fucking SWAT for a financial matter? A fucking. SWAT. Team. Fuck.

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    Use it or lose it.

    Damn people aren't robbing banks or taking hostages - so we have to use SWAT for something or else some bean-counter will cut our funding. Then... well, we'll have to go back to those uncool police uniforms.

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    But Old Soldier - its our SWAT team now.

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    The DoE goes to court and gets a lien on her paycheck. Which, yeah, is the civil remedy.

    This story makes no sense whatsoever and yet I still believe it.

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    @robc,
    I'm with you. Something is missing here, did this person have a violent history. Is the local news missing another aspect of the story (the loans were used to fund a meth lab, etc).
    Yet, yet, this WAS a Dept. of Education warrant.

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    did this person have a violent history

    Too violent to lien the paycheck? WTF?

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    Yeah. I'm pretty sure there are tons of deadbeat parents with child support and violent convictions that dont get SWAT teamed over collections.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Not yet.

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    yet...

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    damn...refresh page before making obvious comment (note to self)

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    Since Obama and the Dems nationalized the Student Loan Industry, one could look at the default in the same light as failure to pay your taxes. The IRS can certainly send armed guards after you over that, right moonshiners?

    With the unemployment rate among recent college grads through the roof these days, this is going to make a lot of parents really, really nervous.

    What happens next? SWAT kicking in your door for your kid's Senior Skip Day?

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    My fear exactly.

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    The Direct Loan program has always involved govt money, and all govt-backed loans -- even those made by private banks -- were eventually paid for by the govt if the borrower defaults. So the recent loan "nationalization" doesn't really change that.

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    Yep, that needs to be noted. The only thing the Obama Administration added to the mix was to to make it official, and they closed a few exits for the loan industry. Like Sorel, I prefer my fascist to be honest and upfront about their violence instead of weaselly.

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    The only way anything life this should even come close to happening, and I use these words very loosely, is if she was served with a post-judgment subponea for financial information, she failed to comply, there was a motion on notice for contempt and a warrant for her contempt was issued. EVEN THEN, I could hardly imagine sending out a SWAT team for failure to answer a subpoena.

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    Well, the loan applications may have involved criminal fraud; i.e., attempting to obtain money without any intention of attending classes, multiple application under false identities, etc.

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    I'd better add, however, that sending a SWAT team is ridiculous even if this were case.

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    ""What possible justification can there be for searching someone's home over defaulted loans?""

    No shit. What evidence of "the crime" would they find?

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    A stack of cash or gold?

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    Textbooks, erasers, half an ounce of pencil lead, and some education paraphernalia.

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    Ha, ha, great April Fools joke. I know they've gone overboard with SWAT raids, but there's no way they would...

    ::looks at date::

    ::cries::

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    Predicted consequences: zero.

    Apology: never.

    New door: don't make me laugh.

    Reductions in the use SWAT for totally inappopriate purposes: Ha!

    I've got a real dilemma on my hands. I would like the Final Dean House to have some serious passive solar, but that requires big windows. Big windows are not conducive to keep out gangs of armed thugs. I hate to put bars over them, because bars of that magnitude will have a definite prison planet vibe to them. What to do, what to do.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Acreage. Gates to slow them down. At least you've got time to see them coming.
    At least that's my strategy.

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    50 acres probably isn't enough.

    Plus, I don't just want to see them coming, I want to keep them out of my fucking house unless and until I examine the warrant and inform them that whatever search they are legally authorized to perform does not require paramilitary goons.

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    Moat + alligators

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    learn to be invisible, avoid debt, use cash transactions; and never, ever associate your name with your physical address. (ESPECIALLY THE LAST ONE)
    It's easier than you think, but also hard for the way most people live.

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    The last one is going to require no title deed and no credit check from a landlord -- virtually impossible without squatting or renting from a very desperate landlord (ie, probably a very undesirable location).

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    Property purchased by a Nevada corporation and paid for in cash.

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    ^^THIS^^

    I was under the radar for over ten years.

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    Then we'll be crying crocodile tears over alligatorcide.

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    You don't even need real alligators to slow the cops down.

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    acreage, gates, fences and cameras to record their moves.

    Though these days I would like to build an escape tunnel - you know, just in case.

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    In Indiana they don't need no stinkin' warrant now, do they? Their Supremes have ruled that citizens cannot block entry of ANYONE identifying themselves as being law enforcement for any reason, with or without a warrant.

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    On a practical note, German Shepherds are possessive dogs who don't like people messing with their pack. If you have at least six, they have a severe problem on their hands. You can't shoot that many fast moving dogs at once.

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    Transparent aluminum?

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    "Hello, computer."

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    "A keyboard. How quaint."

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    Go for a Roman design. Have a big open air courtyard in the middle of the building and put all your big windows there. On the exterior walls only have small windows high off the ground.

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    No workee. Passive solar requires windows with an unobstructed view to the south.

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    Move to the equator.

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    That's the direction to point the claymores.

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    Walls? Tanks, bitches!

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    It's surprisingly easy to incorporate vehicle obstacles into your landscaping that can stop anything short of a main battle tank. APCs like civilian SWAT teams used really aren't good for anything but stopping bullets.

  • SWAT||

    Skylights on the roof baby. We love to crash though those ;-)

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    R C - have you ever seen those roll-up steel storm shutters they use down in FL and TX? They can be retrofit over existing doors and windows. There are manually-operated ones and powered ones, where you just push a button and they roll down over the windows.

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    Any security that I would have to activate would be a distant second choice, seeing as the goons like to kick down doors and start shooting before the homeowner has a chance to react.

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    The SWATs tend to come at night, so you could just activate the shutters at bedtime without losing any insolation.

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    That's the advantage of defense in depth--a sufficiently large piece of land with access points designed to funnel them through your remote sensors so you know someone is coming.

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    Thanks, Government. Now I have to go to war college to survive in my own country, and not because we're invaded.

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    Polycarbonate windows, R.C.? Like the products of, e.g., this company? http://www.solarinnovations.co.....ctures.asp

    Not sure how thick you'd need to make them in order to delay an entry team, and I also seem to remember that polycarbonate hates extended UV exposure, but maybe you could cover them with a UV-absorbent film?

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    http://www.shattergard.com/home.html

    I'm in a condo, but when I move on to the ranch house of my dreams I'll install this stuff plus steel blast doors with 6 point locks. The doors cost about the same as a nice wood door and you can have a nice wood laminate on them. I imagine a some sore wrists at least for anyone trying to use a battering ram on one of these.
    *Flash intro

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    Mrs. Fields is a client. What is she hiding?

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    Didn't I read (right here on reason) about some Hell's Angels who had a steel door mounted on leaf springs? The cops tried to bust in and the door just absorbed all they could throw at it.

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    Simple, use a thermosiphon...they've been around for at least 150 years.

    http://davidmdelaney.com/therm.....ace-1.html

    http://builditsolar.com/Projec.....w Col1.png

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    I'd recommend checking into invisible fences. If they have them for dogs (and they do, neighbor has a huge rottweiler who'd love to eat me alive one day kept at bey by one) then it is possible they have them for pigs too.

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    Provided said pigs arrive wearing their shock collars.

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    Go multi-story.

    Put all your living space on the upper floor(s) and leave the ground floor for the garage, laundry room, furnace etc and then gate the stairway.

    That way you need no windows there and you can have your passive-aggressive windows where they can't be breached.

    For the front door have it accessed by a narrow hallway so that there is no room for anyone to hide on either side so any thugs have to stack up in a most vulnerable position.

    Past the door is a small ante-room that leads to a stairway that is gated and if you can manage it, retractable like a fire escape ladder.

    So goons break in put they have no easy way up. You can set up the back door the same way.

    Of course the walls of the home should be substantial. And if possible you should have a gated outer wall high enough so that they can't see inside and the gates should be solid for the same reason.

    If you're going through all this trouble you should site the home on a defensible piece of land where the home will be the tallest structure so no outsider has sight-lines in. And make the driveway twisty and arrange things that no vehicle can get get an easy running start to ram through the outer gates.

    So yes, because of the threat of banditry I'm advising you and others to build a small keep. In America.

    And when money permits I'll do it myself.

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    No structure is safe.

  • A.G. Pym||

    Reminds me of the "Castles" in John Barnes "Daybreak" books. They become a political force unto themselves at the induced fall of techno-civilization.

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    That sounds a lot like Jeff Cooper's (famous gun writer) house. His had no windows on the ground floor and the entrace was a narrow hall surrounded by firing ports in the walls. Bedrooms accessed by a narrow hallway that could be closed off with an iron gate (through which one could shoot). His study could be accessed only by a narrow spiral staircase.

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    I have read that recently, but it was after years of reading about and drawing up fortress floor plans recreationally.

    I'd never thought about it in the context of a single-family home though and The Col. was prescient in that regard.

    So all that medieval stuff is still useful. Murder holes, portcullises, stairs or ladders you could pull up after you. And why not a moat? If you have the land and the money and wanted some sort of fish pond or decorative lethal trench anyway why not make it moat style?

    Though these things might not be legal in all jurisdictions.

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    Heh, we're doing this now (nearly passive solar design, great views, hopefully breaking ground in a few months). We haven't solved the security problem either. We have 50 acres, and use remote alarms, cameras, and guns. None of which will matter when its the cops.

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    None of which will matter when its the cops.

    ^ this

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    See if you can find windows of plexiglass or other polymer compound rather than actual glass.
    That won't stop a bullet, but are much harder to 'break and rake' IE bust out to enter the home or throw in flash bangs.
    Anecdote: Some years ago I was talking with a SWAT officer who told an amusing story about a raid where one officer was supposed to rush up and leap through the homes large picture window, which turned out to be plexiglass. So, he takes the run up, leaps, and bounces right back off the porch.
    (amusing at the time anyway, back in the days when I didn't get sick hearing the same guy talking about arguing over who got to carry the 'hush puppy' on the next raid, that being a 9mm Heckler&Koch; sub gun with silencer used to kill any dogs in the yard or residence so they wouldn't 'get in the way')

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    I always think, "Is this the kind of thing that will make some mainstream news talking head refer to this place as a 'compound'?"

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    If the police chief who authorized this use of force was caned, then things might change.

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    Caned, then canned would be ideal.

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    Stockton P.D. claims it wasn't their guys who did the "dynamic entry", they just had one squad car there for observation.

    But cane the motherfucker anyway, just for kicks.

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    cane him for not protecting a citizen under his watch from armed thugs. Any LEO with a pair of balls would have thrown the DOE out for disrespecting his jurisdiction.

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    Why did the Stockton PD stand by while armed criminals broke into this citizen's house? They weren't doing their fucking job.

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    Depressing how many people are defending the raid in the comments on the original story.

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    Most people I know fuckin' love the police.

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    Yeah, because it's not themselves who were at the receiving end of the treatment, and they assume it never could be.

    It's the old, "first they came for those who defaulted on their student loans, and I did nothing..."

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    Then they came for people who used to be married to people who defaulted on their student loans....

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    Wow, I can't wait to see this all over the networks' evening newscasts tonight.

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    I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

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    sounds reasonable, student loans are serious business

    he should be happy they didn't shoot his kids

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    Arne Duncan will get to the bottom of this, and

    HEADS

    WILL

    ROLL.

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    Go, Awne!

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    (Br)arne, you're doin a heckuva job.

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    And notice when the Department of Education uses it search warrant powers, not to protect people but to collect on debts owed them. Its all about the money, especially when it comes to government and its use of force.

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    Where's Fearless Fosdick? I have a question for him.

    Seriously- what are the chances one of those multitudinous "good cops" he likes to tell us about will ever stand up in the pre-game briefing and say, "Fuck you. This is the stupidest thing I've ever been asked to do. You guys are all crazy, and I'm not gonna be a part of this."

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    The good cops? You mean the 1-5 percent of good cops? Methinks that the other 95-99 percent of bad ones will keep anyone from standing up for anything.

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    Typo. It should read 1.5 percent.

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    ..'cause like 98% of them are good cops, right ?

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    You're kidding, right?

    Why do people become cops?

    So they can get paid to get into fights, beat people up, intimidate people, cause physical pain, and if they're lucky they may get to kill someone.

    So when they are offered a chance to go hot into some defenseless person's home with fully automatic weapons, do you really think they care what the underlying reason is?

    No. They just look at it as another opportunity to hurt someone.

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    Exactly... Most people who defend the cops have never met any of them... and Barney Fife doesn't count.

  • ||

    See if you can youtube the video for Peaches singing 'Fuck the pain away'

    I can't since youtube is blocked here at work.

    I guarantee you'll get a laugh.

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    Thanks, I'll check it out later. I'm blocked at work as well.

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    ...made my day, thanks

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    Math time.

    15 officers. A good cop would have said no. Assuming no cop said no to the raid, what are the reasonable bound for good cop percentage on the force.

    Back soon with an answer, maybe someone who is better at stats will come up with an answer first.

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    To get to less than 5% chance of 1 cop saying "not me" out of 15, that means the percent of good cops has to be no greater than .35%.

    About 1 in 300 cops are good cops statistically.

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    max 1 in 300. It could be much lower than that.

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    If we make it a 50% proposition, instead of 5%, it makes it better for the cops, maybe as many as 4.5% are good.

    So, okay, with 1 in 22 cops being good, there is less than 50% chance that one would stand up and say "Hell No". Okay, I think that is the right standard and probably about what most of us around here think good cop wise.

    4.5%

    Yeah, I buy that. My other estimate seemed too low.

  • rather||

    robc,can you work out how many times I would have to have sex with epi in order to have a decent orgasm?

  • ||

    Well, this definitely helps me stay on my diet. I now have zero appetite for lunch.

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    Care to site some resources for these claims?

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    Math is my resource.

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    robc,

    Why can't we make the assumption in your example that any cop who said No would have been excluded from the raid, w/o cancelling the raid itself? Then, you just exclude all No's until you get to 15 Yes's. Of course, that would mean sampling a much larger population than 15 cops, which is a different question than taking a random group of 15 cops and seeing how likely it is that all 15 would vote Yes. You've laid out the latter case's math quite well.

    As to the OP, the only way I can even halfway see making this a criminal matter is if the DoE was alleging criminal fraud, e.g. misrepresentation on the forms, mail fraud, etc. Still doesn't excuse sending a FUCKING SWAT TEAM! to execute an arrest warrant for fraud, but that's the only way I can squint and see how this possibly became a criminal matter in the first place.

    I think John hit it on the head in one of his previous posts elsewhere: they're just a bunch of trigger happy baboons at this point. There aren't any meaningful checks on their authority, and in their minds, executing the warrant this way is slightly safer for them, so why not? Start yanking their QI, and the judge's too, and a lot of this shit will start to go away, I think. At this point, I'd rather you just disbanded SWAT teams, as the good they provide during the very, very infrequent times you need them (hostage rescue, active shooter, high-risk fugitive arrest) seem to be outweighed by the harms to the populace from overusing dynamic entry.

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    We could make that assumption, but then we cant do the math. And since we havent heard about the cop fired/gone public about turning down the raid, it seems likely they dont exist.

    If later we hear there were one or two, I will redo the math.

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    I think the Serpicos are all weeded out long, long in advance by the simple nature of the job. It takes a particular kind of monster to bust people for drugs and all the other consensual crimes we have today.

  • ||

    But dunphy tells me that it's not their fault that legislators pass bad laws!

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    I guess this is the answer to the question (see link) that was asked over a year ago.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.c.....hotgu.html

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    Very good observation!

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    That was my first thought too!

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    Can someone please remind me what the difference between government and organized crime is again?

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    Government has more guns.

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    and I higher defense budget... and don't forget, the government has Top. Men.

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    And a free pass from the apathetic and ignorant general public.

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    It's not like the general public makes an effort to intervene in the activities of organized crime, so they might as well have a free pass as well.

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    And they can borrow a lot more money.

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    The thin veneer of legitimacy.

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    In the mafia, the head of another family asks the cappo if there is something they can do and he gets permission from the godfather.

    Here the other family asked the police captain and he got permission from the judge.

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    Organized crime used to pay 2/3rd of the take on the numbers. Most government run lotteries pay about 40%.

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    I have heard in some areas they still do and use the state's pick 3 numbers so they dont even have to do the numbers.

    1. Let state run the expense of picking numbers
    2. Pay off better than the state
    3. Profit!

    underpants not required.

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    Twelve years of indoctrination in public schools and continuous praise from the mainstream media.

  • ||

    Organized crime does a lot more hideous things to people who don't pay debts?

    As bad as this is, it is pretty rare for debt collection. And it's still like 0.01% as bad as the shit the mafia will do to pretty much every defaulter.

  • ||

    Thing is, if you get straight with the Mob, they'll lend to you again in less than 7 years at the same rate as your original loan.

  • ||

    Organized crime turns a profit?

  • ||

    A better PR department.

  • ||

    Big windows are not conducive to keep out gangs of armed thugs.

    You might be able to make very tall, very narrow windows work; or blast doors.

    I could probably make it work for me, but I actually like "Industrial Ghetto" -style architecture.

  • ||

    Moat.

  • ||

    Desert.

  • ||

    Or dessert. Namely, doughnuts.

  • ||

    You mean sugar pucks?

  • ||

    Greek fire is also nice.

  • rather||

    lol

  • ||

    Sharks with frickin' lasers on their heads.

  • ||

    Oh, dunphy....come out to pla-ay....

  • ||

    It's kind of unfair to expect a city cop on the street for the decisions of federal management who seek warrants, and the judges who grant them.

    Does every infantry-man know why he has to take this particular hill on this particular day, and if it will actually support the strategic goals of the nation?

  • ||

    Does an infantry-man get prosecuted for war crimes if he commits them?

  • ||

    Not if he's an American

  • ||

    Yes

    Ex-Soldier Gets Life Sentence for Iraq Murders - NYTimes.com

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05.....ldier.html

    3rd U.S. soldier sentenced for rape and murder in Iraq

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08.....86906.html

  • ||

    Forget dunphy, I want to see Tony, Chad, MNG and Neu Mejican justify this one.

  • ||

    "According to the Commerce Clause..."

  • ||

    Because drug possession is okay, but not paying loans isn't? I actually doubt they would try to justify this. Chad, not sure, but the other three are 4th amendment fans, last I checked.

  • ||

    I think they all support the DoEd.

  • ||

    Bush's fault

  • rather||

    Oh, dunphy....come out to pla-ay....
    He's busy paying his students loans. ;-)

  • ||

    dunphy's a cop, not a loan shark's enforcer.

  • ||

    I am starting a letter writing campaign where we tell judges why this cannot continue. Without a judge's signature warrants are worthless.

  • ||

    If some judges were to lose elections when they did shit like this, that would make a difference.

  • ||

    Since these were Federal Agents, I assume this was a Federal Judge who will never face voters and has no risk of being impeached or disbarred.

  • ||

    Sadly, it is not inconceivable that judges might also get reelected because of shit like this.

  • ||

    What idiot judge would sign off on such a warrant? The article just says "department issued warrant", which makes no sense. (at least I hope it makes no sense)

    I suppose it isn't up to the judge or even listed on the warrant how they plan to execute the search, but that's just ridiculous. They've been watching too much TV. I've seen local news shows with SWAT dressed agents coming out of local businesses with boxes of documents under what I assume are similar search warrants. I'd think the appropriate measure would be to walk up to the front door with a couple of uniformed police and a handful of accountants and present the warrant and proceed to find the docs you need, unless otherwise indicated by facts like "Axe Murderer" or "Illegal Arms Dealer". I'm not really sure why anyone needs to be handcuffed or have guns pointed at them.

  • ||

    No-knock raids need special warrants, so the judge would definitely have known.

  • ||

    They knocked. They just didn't give the homeowner time to make it to the door before they kicked it in.

  • ||

    This warrant wasn't signed by a judge, it was signed by a bureaucrat with the Department of Education.

  • ||

    http://www.news10.net/news/art.....-mans-door

    According to local news, the police were actually federal agents working for Dept. of Education. Local PD only supplied an officer and a squad car, and was very insistent on it's non-participation, after the fact.

  • ||

    We seemed to realize that and post at the same time. Hard to believe.

  • ||

    So they have their own swat team?

  • ||

    It was there second choice.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?g.....Ayh23l1mx4

  • ||

    I had to read the article a couple of times to realize:

    The Department of Education HAS a LAW ENFORCEMENT BRANCH AND A SWAT! This wasn't done by the local, county or state cops - these were Feds.

    Why does the DOE have any law-enforcement agents, much less a SWAT? The whole agency needs to be defunded.

  • ||

    A few years ago, I remember participating in an online discussion, in which the question of using SWAT to enforce the payment of fines for overtime parking and overdue library books was held up and mocked as the kind of ridiculous fear-mongering that "anti-government types," including Libertarians, engaged in to whip up spurious unrest among the rabble.

    Today's news just illustrates Merritt's Law: Live long enough and you will see official public policy made from what was not long before called outrageous satire or mockery.

  • ||

    Unfortunately, as we've seen with smoking bans, seat belt laws, and now SWAT team use: when it comes to government power, the slippery slope isn't a fallacy, it's real.

  • ||

    My working theory is that The Onion is actually published by a group of time travelers from the present time, who have managed to pawn themsleves off as a bunch of brilliant yucksters with their cutting satiric insight.

    The joke's on us.

  • ||

    That's some funny stuff!

    So funny I weep. But not from joy....

  • ||

    Yeah, I remember those, and the "you're an extremist idiot if you think the moral principles involved in smoking regulation will be expanded upon" and here we are with e-cig bans and continued tobacco restrictions. Hell, I don't even smoke anymore and it pisses me off.

    Post-reductio America is a great phrase that keeps coming to mind. Some slopes really are slippery.

  • ||

    Last year the DOE put out a bid request for "27 short barreled shotguns".

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  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    If you're not a subscriber to Reason, please A) subscribe, then B) go down to the corner newsstand or chain bookstore and pick up a copy of our special July issue on the shameful criminal justice system in this country.

    *snicker!*

    Speaking of odious and cash-strapped...

  • ||

    That truely is going too far. Shooting someone's dog while going in on a drug bust is messed up but, meh. Swat for a student loan debt is completely unacceptable. Ineffective protests are for hippies and teachers' unions and generally just annoy me with their ineptness but if there was a protest going on in my area over this I'd actually join.

  • ||

    Next up on Dep't of Ed. SWAT:

    A school is raided to make sure no child is left behind

    Special ed teacher handcuffed when she doesn't provide verbal and visual prompting in accord with the student's IEP

    Per orders of the first lady, that tubby kid in PE will be getting his lard ass up the gym rope! Put the cupcake down and stop resisting!

    Can you imagine what their CSI unit does?

  • ||

    Can you imagine what their CSI unit does?

    YEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!

  • ||

    So what the fuck are these stupid pigs looking for? Are they gonna come in and say, at the point of a gun, "Pay or ELSE....we will garnish your wages."

    To bad we don't have a president that believes in Hope and Change. He'd call his DOE Secretary and scream, "what the fuck dude, these are student loans.....What the FUCK!?!?!?"

  • ||

    If the DoE has their own paramilitary force, that means, by definition, it is an essential function of government. We have cut government spending to the bone; just ask Boehner.

  • ||

    I'm guessing they were on loan from the ATF or FBI. Just think of all the gummint departments that could make use those teams... chilling

  • ||

    No, pretty much every law enforcement agency has their own SWAT team. What's the point of going into law enforcement if your agency gets someone else to dress like a ninja and play soldier?

  • ||

    I wish Republicans were more like leftist parodies of Republicans and less like the leftists.

  • ||

    Why, here's a convenient way to politely let the Dept of Ed's Office of the Inspector General know what you think of their tactics:

    http://www2.ed.gov/about/offic.....dback.html

  • ||

    msg bomb them?

  • ||

    Thanks. Sent this:

    "You should not have a SWAT team. It should not be used to raid those delinquent on their loans. What the hell is wrong with you?"

  • ||

    I just posted the following message there, as well as wrote to my senators and representative:

    After reading the news story located at:
    http://www.news10.net/news/art.....-mans-door
    I would like to know in what free society is an armed SWAT raid the way to deal with a financial liability? The use of SWAT teams was originally limited to high risk encounters or encounters that had hostages. All this raid does is show the overreach of the government, and put the lives of individuals at risk.

  • ||

    "Tingy Wah"

    I innitially thought you were anon-bot. Tingy Wah is kind of like WazMoo.

  • ||

    I went with:

    A SWAT team? And you held the guy for SIX HOURS? What the heck is wrong with you?

  • ||

    Sent this story to a government sympathizer and got this response:

    "There's got to be so much more to this story. just another case of media sensationalism before all the facts have been disclosed."

    Denial is a wonderful thing.

  • ||

    "There's got to be so much more to this story..."

    Maybe the SWAT team heard that the family had a dog.

  • ||

    Maybe they heard this guy owned a legal gun and were hoping for a firefight.

  • ||

    Ask them what facts they think could possibly justify using a SWAT team to collect a student loan.

  • ||

    As a former bank counsel, I must ask whether this means that armed collections are now generally permissible. Can SunTrust, for instance, send goons to collect on defaulted accounts? Does it require a full default, or can they used armed force to collect late payments?

  • ||

    so as someone noted above, there is no difference between the government and the mafia.

  • ||

    The Mafia is less corrupt and better organized.

  • ||

    and the streets actually safer

  • ||

    The Mafia runs a surplus.

  • ||

    That's why I use Uncle Enzo's CosaNostra for all my pizza and government needs*.

    *Not really, I have citizenship at Mr. Lee's Great Hong Kong too, to be safe.

  • ||

    Kurtz: Did they say why, Willard, why they want to terminate my command?
    Willard: I was sent on a classified mission, sir.
    Kurtz: It's no longer classified, is it? Did they tell you?
    Willard: They told me that you had gone totally insane, and that your methods were unsound.
    Kurtz: Are my methods unsound?
    Willard: I don't see any method at all, sir.
    Kurtz: I expected someone like you. What did you expect? Are you an assassin?
    Willard: I'm a soldier.
    Kurtz: You're neither. You're an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill.

  • ||

    I don't see any method at all, sir.

    That would be a good name for a blog.

    The problem is that I do see the method here.

  • ||

    That's actually what I immediately thought -- that there was more to this than a defaulted loan -- but if it truly was a Dept of Ed SWAT team, that pretty much excludes the possibility of it being for something more serious.

  • ||

    Coulda been a bunch of unclapped erasers hidden in the walls... You can't be too careful with those things.

    This thing makes Johnny Fever's phone cops seem quaint.

  • ||

    They're now saying "No no no it's not just a defaulted loan".

    But the other crimes they cover boil down to "Got a loan and didn't use it according to the terms of the contract" which is at least a definable crime, but still not a SWAT offense as far as I know.

  • ||

    Not that it justified SWAT, but I'm thinking she committed student loan fraud of some type. That's an actual criminal violation, as opposed to default on student loans.

    That being said, plenty of federal agencies hand out Uncle Sucker's loans, and inevitably, someone will try to bilk him. Couldn't that just be referred to the DOJ for prosecution, instead of having the Ed SWAT roll up on your house?

  • ||

    If a private lender did this, the liberal media would be howling for the nationalization of every bank and finance company, because, you know, only government can be trusted to treat people fairly.

    ---

    Also: The mob only sends one or two people to beat you up if you don't pay the loan shark.

  • ||

    Did this guy get beat up?

    And of course the mob doesn't just come and beat you up. The second time they take you to a warehouse and make you wish you were just getting beat up.

  • ||

    I'd rather take a few punches than be locked in a car without air-conditioning for six hours. He my not have been 'beat up', but he was certainly assaulted.

  • ||

    Tulpa, remember, the policy of...private parties who make loans outside of the structure of the FDIC is that dead people can't repay the money. Some broken ribs on the other hand...

  • ||

    "Did this guy get beat up?"

    getting grabbed by the neck and thrown on the ground with a knee to your back doesn't count?

  • ||

    Here's an article about the DoEd's recent weapon acquisition.

    Quoting:

    The Office of Inspector General is the law enforcement arm of the U.S. Department of Education and is responsible for the detection of waste, fraud, abuse, and other criminal activity involving Federal education funds, programs, and operations. As such, OIG operates with full statutory law enforcement authority, which includes conducting search warrants, making arrests, and carrying firearms. The acquisition of these firearms is necessary to replace older and mechanically malfunctioning firearms, and in compliance with Federal procurement requirements. For more information on OIG’s law enforcement authority, please visit their Web site at : www.ed.gov/oig

    Wow.

  • ||

    Oops linked above.

    Can't be said enough though.

  • ||

    jeezus - I want my own police force. You know, just for my own protection (and to shoot the neighbor's dog).

  • ||

    Thanks for that. It sort of answers my question below regarding the actual statutory authority of the DoE when it comes to enforcement action like this.

  • ||

    This sort of shit reminds me of dealing with the finance and purchasing side of the DoD. You go through these forms and databases to specify what it is you want and state your justification for it.
    The golden rule was to add in a phrase to the effect of "This equipment is critical to mission accomplishment and maintaining readiness in the Global War on Terror"

    It was basically a blank check for whatever you wanted so long as you used the right language.

  • ||

    so this is the one area of lending where it's the borrower's fault if the loan isn't repaid?

    where are the cramdowns? where are the clawbacks from the college's exhorbitant fees? where's the national licensing of financial aid officers? where's the risk rentention rule where the school is on the hook too?

  • ||

    This whole incident feels like satire. It's a shame that it actually happened. I feel like I should move.

    Are things any better elsewhere in the Anglosphere? Australia seems fun.

  • ||

    I have a vision of R C Dean, standing on his battlements with a bullhorn, giving his fax number to a bunch of cops milling around in his front yard.

    "Yeah, that's the number. Have the judge's office fax that warrant to me, and I'll give it a look. You guys look hot in those black ninja costumes. That body armor looks really uncomfortable, too. Be sure to drink plenty of water. Talk to you later."

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Excellent.

  • ||

    Are you kidding? R C Dean is totally, totally Jubal Harshaw.

  • ||

    Doesn't RC have a narco-tank?

  • ||

    Merlons will be back in style in no time.

  • ||

    I've definitely considered wiring flashbangs to my doors in case of kinetic entry. Payback is a bitch (and probably non-lethal and quasi-legal). Give it a 5 second delay and it should go off just as the 2nd guy goes through the door.

  • ||

    Which makes me have to wonder what you're doing that you think a SWAT raid is even a remote possibility.

  • ||

    Uh, after an article like this, who can say what qualifies you for a SWAT raid?

  • ||

    He's breathing. SWAT teams HATE that.

  • ||

    I also have to worry about what my neighbors are doing and whether any CIs can give my address out at random.

  • ||

    Obviously he's not paying his student loans.

  • ||

    Can you say "Wrong address?"

  • Ryan||

    This is a federal issue, not a local one. Everyone, everywhere (well, maybe not our favorite Canucks) should contact their reps and complain. Easy link to find your critters' contact info on my name.

  • Virginia||

    yeah right- Webb and Warner love smoking federal pole. and my rep probably signed the fucking warrant.

  • ||

    Well, here's my letter, in case anyone else wants to copy and paste:

    Senator X,

    I read a story this morning wherein a federal SWAT team from the Office of the Inspector General raided a family home at 6AM in response to a warrant for defaulted student loans.

    I believe SWAT teams are greatly overused in general, particularly in raids of suspected drug users who have shown no tendency to violence. But even if we disagree on that point, you have to agree that a predawn, no-knock raid of a home with three children present by 15 heavily armed men is absolutely abominable in the service of a financial warrant. Had the innocent homeowner (the warrant was for his estranged wife) attempted to defend himself in the confusion of armed men kicking in his door in the dark early morning, the raid could easily have resulted in the deaths of the homeowner, his children, or members of the SWAT team. That is an unacceptable risk in service of a financial crime for which there are civil remedies.

    I urge you to confront the Office of the Inspector General on this matter and demand that SWAT raids never again be requested in the service of nonviolent offenses. In addition, the officials who requested this raid and the judge who signed the warrant should be removed from office for their gross incompetence.

    Story here: http://www.news10.net/news/art.....-mans-door

    Thank you,
    Ryan

  • ||

    Excellemt - I just used your comments to send to my senators.

  • ||

    Nice letter, but you need to mention it's teh OIG of teh Dept of Ed. Every department has their own OIG.

  • ||

    Yes, and they all have police powers to investigate fraud and other crimes. I'm willing to bet they all have their own police force. Defund them all.

  • ||

    the law enforcement arm of the U.S. Department of Education and is responsible for the detection of waste, fraud, abuse,

    Shouldn't they be doing their SWAT invasions at the bank which made the loans? Or the school?

  • ||

    They should raid the Headmaster and Professors at the crappy school whose grads can't earn enough to pay their loans.

  • ||

    They should be raiding themselves, then.

  • Virginia||

    this is in Canada, but still... man shot by cops who were aiming at his dog.

    The SIU, a government agency that investigates death and serious injury during police actions, said the shooting of an unarmed civilian who was lying down was an unfortunate yet lawful discharge of the officer's sidearm.

    The SIU said that the officer was not criminally responsible. It is not known whether a police force investigated the shooting of the unarmed man.

    h/t agitator

  • ||

    This is going to be one hell of a lawsuit.

  • ||

    Don't worry, the feds will just borrow some money from China to pay this guy off.

  • ||

    Which will be dismissed in two seconds once the government claims sovereign immunity.

    Must be nice to be able to do anything you want and not have to be held accountable for your actions.

  • ||

    Yeah, the police didn't just decide to raid this house. It was the dept. of education.

  • ||

    Does Sheila Bair pine for her own paramilitary squads to invade and conquer failing banks on Friday afternoons?

    Will accounting majors soon be required to complete a Combat Marksmanship course?

  • ||

    Who knew that Dept. of Ed even had warrant and arrest powers, let alone a fucking paramilitary force?

    To me, this is the best evidence yet of why the Dept. of Ed. needs to be drastically cut back, if not eliminated entirely.

    I really hope there is more to this story. But even if the person in fact was a violent criminal, or committing massive criminal fraud, or whatever, then shouldn't the Dept. of Ed. call in the FBI or something? I mean, don't the Feds already have paramilitary police forces for cracking down on violent criminals? We need our Department of fucking EDUCATION to have assault weapons and armed thugs to forcibly execute search warrants?

  • ||

    Right? And not only have they claimed police powers for themselves, but they get to issue their own no-knock warrants? How is this acceptable or allowed? You'd think the other agencies would be upset at someone stepping on their turf.

  • ||

    I'm reasonably sure that this was a case of some type fraud being prosecuted and not just a delinquent loan. That said, WTF is the Dept of Education doing with armed officers. And I don't want to even guess at what type of rent a cop reject even applies for a job at Dept. of Education law enforcement. BSR is right, there are already FBI agents and US Marshalls that can do this type of work if necessary. And was it even necessary for a search warrant on a fraud case?

  • ||

    This won't get changed because no one is covering this story except the local news and some blogs. Maybe it's ridiculous enough that the Daily Show might pick it up, but given it's connection to the DOE, even that is unlikely.

  • ||

    Maybe we're looking at this all wrong; maybe the guy's wife has a PHD in Physics, and they had a reasonable suspicion the home was defended by a force field and particle-beam weapons. The guy was out there in the yard playing dumb and buying time so she could transport back to her secret moonbase fortress.

    It could happen.

  • ||

    dunphy in another article was repeatedly asking for numbers and hard data about SWAT raids, then saying they were justified because sometimes the cops have to assault a fortified armed target. When asked what percentage raids involved said heavily fortified armed targets, he did not respond.

  • Virginia||

    they were in there for six hours trying to find something to parade before the media.

    like the Guerena raid, if this guy has an old fake cop costume leftover from Halloween, then he's fucked. which is why i threw out my FBI trucker hat shortly after reading about the Guerena raid. any pron on his pc, any unregistered airguns in the home without trigger locks endangering the children? what's a single man doing with 3 kids anyway? obviously he's running an organ farm.

  • ||

    If that does not prove that we have become a "Police State" I dont know what does.

    www.online-privacy.no.tc

  • ||

    I'm holding out hope that this is some kind of hoax.

  • Working for Liberty||

    I thought the situation was bad when Janet Reno's Dept of Justice used tanks against that religious cult in Texas, and SWAT to take that little Hispanic child (Gonzalez?) from a family in Florida.

  • ||

    If you pay your student loans then you have nothing to worry about. /snark

  • ||

    I feel sorry for the Wright family. But if they lived in Arizona, and the Swat team wasn't a Swat team, but some unidentified persons of unknown national origin, then I'd say the Wright family should just bend over and take what they had coming.

    Don't you agree? Personal property rights only go so far.

  • ||

    OW! OW! OW! OW!

  • ||

    The dumb is strong with this one.

  • ||

    Great. My sister is about to move in with me. Love the girl but she has the financial sense of a cucumber. She owes like +$60,000 in student loans that I highly doubt will ever get paid back. Guess I need to start preparing for the inevitable early morning raid.

  • ||

    when you have all these SWAT teams around( and I think we'd all be shocked at how many there are now), sooner or later you'll find some reason to use them. police state. you bet. these things need to be disbanded before it is too late.

  • ||

    It's probably too late.

  • ||

    when you have all these SWAT teams around( and I think we'd all be shocked at how many there are now), sooner or later you'll find some reason to use them. police state. you bet. these things need to be disbanded before it is too late.

  • squarooticus||

    This sort of thing is why we need a market-based solution: good people who decide that the government has overstepped its bounds, obtains judgments against responsible government officials from independent magistrates, and conducts repossession actions against those same officials when they inevitably decide not to pay up. Of course these people would be branded domestic terrorists, but the key to making it work is to keep it quiet.

    As far-fetched as it sounds right now, I suspect this is inevitable given the direction of government abuse of power, and will finally break the government's monopoly on force.

  • squarooticus||

    Faulty edit. Insert "form a private security contractor that" in between "...overstepped its bounds" and "obtains judgments...".

  • ||

    I got a van we can use. Call Mr. T and see if he's game.

  • ||

    I wonder if we'll see the return of debtor's prison.

  • squarooticus||

    I have hope that the impotence of the US military against guerilla forces in Iraq and Afghanistan gives some enterprising young patriot the idea that the time has come for the US government to surrender its monopoly on force.

    Yes, I'm finally sick of this shit and willing to say so publicly. This shit needs to stop, but the courts have shown their unwillingness to challenge executive power. At this point, I suspect it's all but official that we're down to the last box.

  • ||

    More likely debtor's morgues.

  • ||

    We already do, if the debt is due to child support.

  • ||

    This sort of thing is why we need a market-based solution

    What rational person would knowingly and willingly fund this grotesque idiocy?

    And yet, the merest hint of reducing government expenditures leads to a frenzy of outraged protests.

  • ||

    The news10.net article documenting the incident has been removed in accordance with our request.

  • ||

    I just noticed that. Here's another link, though it may be missing the videos, can't tell from work.

    http://www.opednews.com/articl.....08-10.html

  • ||

  • ||

    Shouldn't this be the most disturbing part? Not only do they send a swat team to some guys house to handle a loan repayment issue, they send requests to anyone who posts a story about it to take said story down, and news outlets do?

  • ||

    Minitruth just showed up, I guess. Creepy.

  • ||

    It's elsewhere on the site, last I checked.

  • ||

    All the mainstream academics already support QE3. Sumner, Tyler Cowen, Paul Krugman: Now they just need to brow beat the tea partiers as the markets crash and the path will be cleared to renew the pruchases of US government bonds.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo5JEl8GHU4

  • ||

    See, I don't think it's a case of just having to find something for all these SWATs to do. It's more a case of the various jurisdictions and agencies using SWAT as pure deterrent to disrespecting their authoritay.

    Once jurisdictions started getting away with using SWATs outside of their original purpose (hostage situations) this was inevitable.

  • ||

    I mean, if you recall the origin of SWAT it was intended as a safety measure for the innocents in the structure being raided. Now we've turned that on its head -- it's intended to terrorize them.

  • ||

    You WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITEH!!!

  • ||

    I'm relieved to see how much better on civil rights this administration is than the previous one.

  • ||

    Well, to play Devil's Advocate - there is some information missing in this article. It says the estranged husband had no criminal record, but doesn't explain whether or not the wife did. If they thought she was there, and they thought she was dangerous, well, then it makes more sense. I'd like to see more background on the woman before passing judgement. That's my two cents anyway. Fire away!

  • ||

    Ok, let's assume the wife did have a criminal record. Who, exactly, was made safer by the use of a SWAT team? If she's dangerous, then why would they attempt to apprehend her at her home, where innocents are at risk and where she could conceivably have all sorts of weapons, rather than simply wait until she was safely away?

  • ||

    Why is the DoEd sending a SWAT team for a criminal suspect? I'd *swear* that we used to have something like a local police force that handled those things.

  • ||

    I'm now getting a page not found error for the article.

  • ||

    Looks like the page from the original story has been taken down?...

  • ||

    Down the memory hole.
    Nothing to see here.
    Part of an ongoing investigation that doesn't exist.

  • ||

    Interesting - searching for SWAT on their site turns up a nice link to the story with summary and picture and everything. But you can't get to the article, even via their own search.

  • ||

    story is still up: http://tinyurl.com/6xxco5v

  • ||

    Story appears to have been removed and then completely rewritten. At least now they have the OIG saying it wasn't for a student loan in default. Still totally unacceptable.

    http://www.news10.net/news/art.....ckton-home

  • ||

    It was changed to state that the homeowner only thought it was a SWAT raid and that it wasn't for a default, which is what I though initially anyway. Again begs the question. Why does the Dept. of Education OIG have its own agents? And why the need for a no knock raid?

  • ||

    I thought the Dept. of Education was supposed to be by about teaching people stuff.... ooh I see what I did there...

  • ||

    I might be missing something, but it looks like there's some discrepency in the story... or maybe I just don't read so good anymore? =

    e.g.
    ..."put them in a Stockton police patrol car"...

    ""...Stockton Police Department said it was asked by federal agents to provide one officer and one patrol car just for a police presence when carrying out the search warrant.

    Stockton police did not participate in breaking Wright's door, handcuffing him, or searching his home.""

    So let me get this right = the local cops had "nothing to do with it", really; but they were still there, and actually took the guy into custody...?

    What I'm missing here is who had jurisdiction and priority? Could the local cops have simply rung the guy's doorbell and asked if his wife was around? I dont get how this @#(&$ scenario emerges when it seems like at some stage of the game someone would speak up and say, "Uh, do we *need* the SWAT team, really?" I mean, the Feds broke into the person's home... and the local cops wash their hands of the incident, despite providing requested material support? Seems like the locals justified the Feds presence...or at least 'authorized' it; why else did the Feds need a "police presence"? They're not cops? I am not familiar with these 'department of education paramilitary soldiers'-things... Is there more detail somewhere to clarify who was actually in charge on the ground for this thing?

  • ||

    Welcome to the police state. Who will help the Americans get rid of this tyrannical government we have allowed to rule us? How long until we see Tea Party protesters standing in front of a tank on Pennsylvania Ave.?

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    I'm pretty sure that most fans of the Tea Party would be encouraging the tank to run the protestors over.

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    Here's some shit for you to eat. No need to thank me, cunt.

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    It would vary by chapter and organization, but if we took everyone out there who self-identifies as a Tea Party supporter, there are a LOT of "Just run those hippies over with a tank if they won't get out of the street!" types among that overall group.

    But maybe "most" is too strong. Maybe it's just "a lot".

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    How long until we see Tea Party protesters standing in front of a tank on Pennsylvania Ave.?

    My guess is "never".

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    Way to go out on a limb with the prediction. Lol

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    Celeste notes what I saw -- they are now saying it's not for student loans. Because OIG is now the owner of this ridiculous raid, it seems to be moving in the direction of student loan fraud or something.

    Hard to conjure up a student loan fraud activity which requires breaking down a residential door at 6am.

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    Why wasn't John Edwards arrested by SWAT team?

    Seriously, I want to know.

    Certainly among the millions of supporters he once had, there are a couple with criminal records?

    So why wasn't there some warrant sworn out where the officers said they were afraid of the possibility of a confrontation?

    Probably because the state thinks that some people need to be terrorized, and some people don't.

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    If John Edwards was given the opportunity to surrender, I want to know why every last arrest subject in the US isn't given the opportunity to surrender.

    Lots of them won't take that opportunity, and you'll still get to do your fun and awesome paramilitary raids. So what's the problem?

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    What do they put on the backs of their ninja uniforms?

    I mean, if the just use "DE" people will think they're narks who were to cheep to shell out for the "A" and if they use "DoE" people will pronounce it "D'oh".

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    And also leads to the question I asked above. Who applies for the position of DoE agent?

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    I assume they get the job by lateral transfer from some other armed federal agency.

    Now, you might be tempted to guess that it only happens when there careers are totally floundering in their original homes, but you don't actually know that.

    Not really know.

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    or how shitty of an agent do you have to be to get into DoE. You were so bad that the ATF rejected you?

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    it seems to be moving in the direction of student loan fraud or something.

    Not that anybody cares, but I really couldn't give a shit if she robbed the Bursar's Office at gunpoint; this shit is inexcusable.

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    Our local paper has a column written by a police officer who turns out to be (surprise!) a hack.

    I posted a few comments on one of his blurbs about how dangerous SWAT raids are for conducting routine search warrants and that we should all honestly look at the practice not only for the public's safety, but the safety of law enforcement.

    His answer? There is no such thing as a "routine" search warrant and these things are needed.

    The kicker: He flat out said that SWAT raids have **never** happened to innocent people.
    I posted a couple links, and then he got pissy.
    I back tracked in a hurry and wished him well...don't think less of me. I have children. And a dog.

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    What a fucking idiot. To him, the fact that a SWAT team was being used probably proved the people were guilty.

    (Due process is so pre-9/11)

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    I emailed the Dept. of Ed. and all 3 of my conressvermin (2 Rs and a D). Can't wait to get the non-responsive, canned, self-justifying, form-letter style responses.

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    Fucked up shit like this is why I'm planning to try and find somewhere else to reside after I graduate. The big things (Wars, PATRIOT Act, Federal Reserve) I can handle.

    But this petty bullshit? It's terrifying.

  • Updates||

    Everything you know is wrong.
    Don't you feel silly now?

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    I can think of absolutely no reason at all why this would seem like a good idea.

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    20 years in the future, Obamacare fully implemented . . .
    0530. Department of Medical Compliance/IRS swat team raid:
    "Ok you fat fuck, our records indicate you have purchased more than one pint of ice cream in the last three months. You are out of compliance with our dietary orders. Get on the scale NOW!. MOVE MOVE MOVE! DO IT NOW! (fat guy moves too slowly). Ok team, he is resisting a lawful order, open fire!

  • Orion's Hammer||

    Yes.

    I speculated on the bottom of that particular slipperly slope in fiction, calling the relevant agency the "Improved Lifestyle Service" or ILS.
    http://orions-hammer.livejournal.com/4044.html

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    Well, now Stockton is off my list as potential places to live. Besides, why should terrorism be restricted to Mideastern countries. We're certainly as capable as they are.

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    Stockton? The DoE looms large.

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    How much does a typical SWAT raid cost? How much could she have possibly racked up in student loan debts? I'm gonna guess the cost of the former comes pretty damned close or exceeds the latter.

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    ends, means, etc..

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    The DoE having a SWAT team makes about as much sense as the Salvation Army having a militant arm.

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    Try throwing a slug into their Christmas kettle. Vicious bastards.

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    Since when does the Dept. of Ed. investigate criminal matters; no we don't have a government out of control.

  • ||

    This is Terry Wagar I am a victim and I keep trying to tell people but no one cares, I was being poisoned by my wife Joan Wagar and she was given permission to by her lover Eric Carlson and Eric Carlson is a law officer.

    Joan Wagar recruited family members to lie for them and Eric Carlson arranged in advance to deny me medical treatment from a hospital!

    That's premeditated murder and a lot of people agreed to lie for them, many of whom work at East Port Walmart and Clackamas Walmart!

    I am not the only victim Joan Wagar and her sister Vickie Rosalas wanted dead they also poisoned their brother Don Minor to death in 2006 and they poisoned their mother Donna Minor to death in 2008, Joan Wagar got a house and a car out of that, I don't know how much money they got but Joan Wagar admitted in her diary she wants life insurance money!

    I was a plasma donor when Joan Wagar started poisoning me and everyone in my family knew Joan Wagar was poisoning me and they did not care!

    My family was destroying my reputation behind my back while they pretended to be a loving family to my face, they turned many people against me this way and I was too ill to even leave my apartment to even find out my reputation was being destroyed by them!

    They labeled me a drug user to explain my ill condition and they even used fliers to label me as a pedophile so no one in my neighborhood would care that I was a victim!

    I discovered most of this through a audio recorder I put in my wife's purse!

    Nobody in law enforcement wants me as a witness due to authority's already giving Joan Wagar permission so they ignore this and they cover up 911 calls I make and they currently pretend mental illness to discredit me to others!

    I have received audio death threats from these people they threaten to kill me and my daughter if I don't do what they want and Eric Carlson is bragging on it they are in law enforcement!

    Eric Carlson and Joan Wagar blackmail me with audio death threats and the Portland police and Multnomah county sheriff's and the Oregon state police deny allegations on behalf of Eric Carlson and Joan Wagar while they cover up 911 calls and emergency visits to hospital!

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/5306.....cSgtWalker

    Terry Wagar

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    This is essentially a debtors prison, something that has been outlawed since the 1850's (in most states at least.)

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    No more state please

  • nydivide||

    There are so problems with this on so many levels.

    1. There should not even be a Federal Department of Education. States, local municipalities, neighborhoods, and families should (respectively) provide enough red tape, regulation, oversight, and support.
    2. The Department of Education, or any other federal department operating domestically, with the exception of Justice, should NOT have any form of law enforcement or firearms whatsoever. Nor should any other federal department operating domestically need to work with any other law enforcement officials unless there is an emergency on their own premises.
    3. Just as in health care, the government is primarily responsible for driving up the costs of education. More loans, more debt, more subsidies, all create more artificial demand, hence driving up the costs. Therefore the federal government (with either the Export-Import Bank, Department of Education, Small Business Association, HUD, FHFA, or any other federal agency should NOT be involved with ANY loan process; even if these departments do end up existing when they should not).
    4. The fact that a SWAT team was used is disgusting, infuriating, and detestable. We now have para-military forces breaking into non-violent "offenders" homes; small amounts of marijuana, student loan defaults, and (soon) not purchasing a government sanctioned insurance plan.

    Where is the outrage from the left wing civil liberties crowd? At least the right wing has the courage to speak out against the other side AND their own side when the line is crossed.

    My friends, we are absolutely living under a soft tyranny.

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    Now that the Dept of Ed has corrected you and the other rumor-lovers... you still don't find it prudent to change the title of the story? You have made it clear you know the title to be inaccurate, so I can only assume you are leaving it there to get people to click on the story.

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    No, not really. This story has been completely debunked.

    If you had an integrity, Reason, you'd print a retraction or update.

    No, really.

  • Nike Dunk High||

    thanks

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