'We Are Not Investigating' the Shooting of Renee Good, the Deputy Attorney General Says
Todd Blanche joins other top administration officials in declaring that ICE agent Jonathan Ross was justified in killing Good. Most Americans disagree.
After Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent Jonathan Ross fatally shot Minneapolis protester Renee Good on January 7, the head of Minnesota's Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) complained that his agency had been excluded from the investigation of the incident. After initially agreeing to "a joint investigation," BCA Superintendent Drew Evans said, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Minnesota decided the probe "would now be led solely by the FBI." Judging from recent comments by Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, there is little hope that investigation will clarify the circumstances of the shooting, which most Americans view as unjustified based on the evidence they have seen so far.
"Is the FBI conducting an investigation into that agent, into the shooting?" Shannon Bream asked Blanche on Fox News Sunday. "What can you tell us about that? Will it be made public?"
Blanche did not answer directly, instead saying the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division was not looking into the shooting. "We don't just go out and investigate every time an officer is forced to defend himself against somebody [who was] putting his life in danger," he said. "We never do." Blanche added that "there are over a thousand shootings every year where law enforcement [officers] are put in danger by individuals and they have to protect themselves, and they have a lawful right to do so."
Blanche, in other words, joins Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem, President Donald Trump, and Vice President J.D. Vance in asserting that Ross acted in self-defense when he fired three shots into Good's Honda Pilot. How does Blanche know that?
"What happened on that day has been reviewed by millions and millions of Americans" who have seen bystander video of the incident, Blanche noted. That footage, he suggested, confirmed that the shooting was "objectively reasonable" given "the totality of the circumstances"—the Fourth Amendment test that the Supreme Court has applied to the use of deadly force by law enforcement officers.
Blanche did not mention that the "millions and millions of Americans" who have seen that footage disagree passionately about what it shows, which underlines the need for further investigation to resolve the issue. As of now, most Americans do not share Blanche's view.
In a YouGov poll conducted from January 9 through January 11, two-thirds of the respondents said they had heard a lot about the shooting, and 70 percent said they had watched video of the incident. Just 28 percent thought the shooting was justified, while 53 percent said it was not and 18 percent said they weren't sure. The breakdown was similar when people were asked whether Ross should face criminal charges.
As you might expect, Republicans were much more inclined than Democrats to view the shooting as justified. But while 88 percent of Democrats said the shooting was not justified, a substantially smaller majority of Republicans (61 percent) said it was. Even among Republicans, more than a third either said the shooting was not justified (15 percent) or said they weren't sure (24 percent). Most independents (58 percent) said the shooting was not justified.
Those finding are broadly consistent with the results of another YouGov poll conducted in collaboration with Yahoo News from January 8 through January 12. Just 27 percent of respondents thought the shooting was justified, while 52 percent said it was not and 21 percent were unsure. People who had watched video of the encounter were more likely to express an opinion: In that group, 57 percent thought the shooting was not justified, while 35 percent said it was.
In a Quinnipiac University survey conducted during the same period, 53 percent of respondents said the shooting was not justified, while 35 percent thought it was and 12 percent did not offer an opinion. In that poll, the partisan difference was sharper than in the YouGov surveys. Still, nearly a quarter of Republicans (23 percent) were not persuaded that the shooting was justified. And among independents, 59 percent said the shooting was not justified.
Public opinion, of course, cannot resolve the legal question. But these results suggest that, contrary to what Blanche implied, the video evidence is inconclusive at best.
Blanche left open the possibility that new evidence might justify a Justice Department inquiry, but that seems quite unlikely given the position he has already taken. "We investigate when it's appropriate to investigate," he said. "That is not the case here. It wasn't the case when it happened, and it's not the case today. If circumstances change and there's something that we do need to investigate around that shooting or any other shooting, we will. But we are not going to bow to pressure from the media, bow to pressure from politicians and do something that we never do—not under this administration, not under the last administration. And so no, we are not investigating, and if there comes a time when we need to, we will, but it's not now."
Blanche added that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is conducting an internal investigation of the shooting, as law enforcement agencies routinely do when officers fire their weapons. In an interview on the CBS show Face the Nation, Noem confirmed that Ross had been placed on adminstrative leave pending an investigation by her department's Office of Professional Responsibility. In addition to the question of whether the shooting complied with the Fourth Amendment, that review should ask whether Ross and the other ICE agents at the scene followed DHS policy. But there can be little doubt about the outcome of the DHS investigation, since Noem herself has repeatedly said Ross followed his training and acted in self-defense.
Noem first offered that judgment just hours after the shooting, saying Good was engaged in "domestic terrorism" because she "weaponize[d] her vehicle" by "attempt[ing] to run a law enforcement officer over." She said Ross, "fearing for his life," fired "defensive shots," in accordance with "his training," to "save his own life and [those] of his colleagues." The following Sunday, Noem defended that assessment, including her portrayal of Good as a domestic terrorist, during a contentious interview with CNN's Jake Tapper.
"Why did you not wait for an investigation before making your comments?" Tapper wondered. "Well," Noem replied, "everything that I have said has been proven to be factual and the truth."
The implication was that Noem's snap judgment on the day of the shooting, which she said was based on "videos" and conversations with ICE supervisors, had been retroactively validated by additional evidence. But she did not elucidate that evidence, even though she bragged that the Trump administration "is the most transparent and open government that we have ever had."
On Meet the Press yesterday, Noem, like Blanche, said "everybody can watch the videos and see" that Good deliberately tried to run Ross down. But if it were true that the videos leave no doubt on that score, why do 57 percent of Americans who have seen that footage say Good "was not trying to kill" Ross and that he "acted recklessly"? Why do 60 percent of those people reject Noem's characterization of Good's conduct as "domestic terrorism"? Probably because the video casts serious doubt on Noem's description of what happened.
The video shows two ICE agents approaching Good's SUV, which she had parked sideways on Portland Avenue, forcing motorists to drive around her, a few minutes earlier. A witness reported that one of the agents initially told Good to drive away, which would have been a straightforward and peaceful way to resolve the situation. But another agent took a more aggressive approach. "Get out of the car," he told Good. "Get out of the car. Get out of the fucking car. Get out of the car."
Immediately after those rapid-fire commands, that agent grabbed the handle of the door next to Good and reached inside the car. At that point, Good backed up a bit and then started moving forward, steering to the right—away from the ICE agents. "Drive, baby, drive," said Good's wife, who was standing outside the car. We all know what happened next.
Although Noem is intent on portraying Good as an attempted murderer, that account seems inconsistent with Good's cheerful demeanor in Ross' cellphone video of the encounter as well as the direction in which she was pointing her car. But that does not necessarily mean the shooting was not legally justified.
Whatever Good's intent, she reportedly "clipped" Ross as she began to drive away. Although Ross seems uninjured in footage recorded after the shooting, unnamed government sources have told news outlets he suffered "internal bleeding." Noem, who had previously said Ross was treated at a hospital and released the same day, declined to discuss the extent of his injuries on Meet the Press. But regardless of how serious the damage was, Good's recklessness demonstrably posed a threat to Ross, especially because he had positioned himself in front of the car, contrary to standard police training.
Since Ross quickly moved out of the way, however, it is not clear that the shooting was justified self-defense, as opposed to angry retaliation (as suggested by his "fucking bitch" comment after he killed Good). It is hard to tell from the videos whether Ross was still in the SUV's path when he fired the first shot, which entered the car through the lower left corner of the windshield. He was definitely out of the way when he fired the second and third shots, which went through the side window next to Good.
When Tapper asked Noem about the justification for the second and third shots, she noted that Ross was making a "split-second" decision, which might count in his favor in the Fourth Amendment analysis. That's assuming it was reasonable to think killing Good was an effective way to neutralize the threat she allegedly posed, which seems doubtful given what actually happened: The unguided SUV careened down the street, stopping only after it crashed into a parked car.
Reasonable people can (and do!) disagree about how to weigh these considerations. But the dispute cries out for additional evidence beyond the ambiguous videos that persuaded Blanche and Noem, including witness accounts, the car's trajectory, and Ross' location when he fired his weapon. "This administration wants to operate in transparency," Noem told Tapper. Even if DHS and the FBI (assuming it is still investigating the shooting) absolve Ross—as seems inevitable—transparency demands a detailed explanation of the reasons for that conclusion. It does not seem like we will get that.
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Most Americans disagree because you and the rest of the propagandists keep lying to them.
And I doubt that statement is true. Sullum is an inveterate liar.
JS;dr
JS;dr. Question. Does Jacob finally reveal his position on the murder of Ashli Babbit and the ensuing lack of investigation? Thanks in advance to anyone with the stomach to slog through his lunatic ravings.
Nope. The TDS-addled lying pile of steaming shit Sullum is all in for the murder of Babbit, but firmly against the LEO acting in self-defense in MN.
He really is a slimy pile of shit.
What in the name of moral turpitude makes you deplore the armed defense of the Capitol against breaking and entry by a torch and pitchfork mob, but applaud the summary execution of an unarmed woman for reckless driving at 2 miles an hour ?
What in the name of abysmal idiocy makes you post total bullshit like that?
Fuck off and take your fake, lying website with you, asswipe.
My god. He remains not only irrelevant but still retarded.
RetardGPT has entered the chat again.
Reason is scum.
Seriously. Fuck yourself.
Sullum is objectively evil.
Not even joking.
With a barb-wire-wrapped baseball bat...
Are we determining guilt by popular polling, or evidence?
A jury of one's queers.
Evidence. The evidence we have to date is a number of videos which suggest that the shooting was not justified. The evidence we have to date is that the ICE officers failed to follow there own procedures. In fact we know that Jonathon Ross failed to follow procedures in the Renee Good shooting and in a previous case where he was dragged by a car. How many chance to screw up does an armed officer get?
Even if we considered all of that to be true, just for the sake of argument, what does that have to do with the applicability of public polling data in this case?
Obviously that public polling is showing that evidence does exist to believe the shooting was not justified.
No. It shows retards like yourself easily fall for propaganda.
For example. Above you confuse policy with the law. In a case in LA 2024 they tried going after an officer for the same self defense situation. He was fired but not charged.
Violation of policy is a firing, not a conviction.
Idiots like you flock to polls merely to show how ignorant you are.
Retarded parody.
Nice to see DoJ plans on charging Don Lemon under the KKK Act for his bullshit yesterday at the church.
Oh, Sullum, fuck your lame obsession.
Sometimes I feel like we live in the most retarded time line, but sometimes, we get delicious gems like this.
I wonder why Renee Good's partner hasn't posted her video online? She had reportedly been videotaping their actions all day and it appears she was recording at the time Good drove at the agent. It would seem she would have an excellent video of her partner's actions as well as that of the agent.
"I wonder why Renee Good's partner hasn't posted her video online? She had reportedly been videotaping their actions all day and it appears she was recording at the time Good drove at the agent. "
I guarantee its just full of them talking about how they plan on purposefully plan on fucking with the ICE agents and blocking them. Essentially confirming the "fuck around" portion of FAFO.
Otherwise it would have been posted and run on every MSM and social media site 24/7. Its likely an hour of them being insufferable cunts, and showing they knowingly and intentionally went there to break the law and fuck with people.
That's why
The icing on the cake will be if they charge Good’s ‘wife’ with obstruction or similar charges.
I’d agree. The video is probably highly incriminating of their actions and would help the ICE agent.
The one video from afar a few minutes before the incident shows them setting up, driving to block the road, and her partner getting out to get the shot on film, and her sitting in the car dancing gleefully, waiting to start talking shit when ICE got there.
Also shows good almost hit another car trying to get around her then pull further into the street to block it.
This is obviously not a surprise at all. Further, the feds will never ever investigate anything they do or hold themselves accountable for anything.
So is the response sternly worded articles?
Nor should it be, JFucked. He clearly acted in self-defense when the shitforbrains attempted to run over him.
“Most Americans disagree.” Is guilt or innocence determined by poll now?
Been living in the US long? Around during the Benghazi hearings? Obama's citizenship or Hunter Biden's business dealings? Why is this different?
"In a YouGov poll conducted from January 9 through January 11, two-thirds of the respondents said they had heard a lot about the shooting, and 70 percent said they had watched video of the incident. Just 28 percent thought the shooting was justified, while 53 percent said it was not and 18 percent said they weren't sure. The breakdown was similar when people were asked whether Ross should face criminal charges."
And that matters, how? Criminal justice by popularity poll does not seem something very desirable.
Criminal justice by popularity poll does not seem something very desirable.
Strawman, no one is arguing in favor of criminal justice by popularity poll. The point of the poll is to demonstrate that the video evidence is not as conclusive as Todd Blanche seems to think it is.
The poll does not and cannot do any such thing.
Sure it can - if many many people disagree on the proper conclusions to draw from the video evidence, it certainly does suggest that the video evidence is not as clear-cut as the government thinks it is.
Polls can be manipulated by targeting certain respondents who are more likely to agree with the pollsters’ biases. But, you knew that already, didn’t you.
They got a weak minded person killed by encouraging her to play stupid games with law enforcement and want to exploit it for propaganda purposes for all it is worth.
It is absolutely disgusting behavior.
They got a weak minded person killed by encouraging her to play stupid games with law enforcement and want to exploit it for propaganda purposes for all it is worth.
It is absolutely disgusting behavior.
Funny, for a moment there I thought you were describing Team Red's treatment of Ashli Babbitt
What is your evidence that the poll was manipulated?
Is there any evidence that these respondents carefully studied the video from as many angles as they had available to them, or have any sort of passing familiarity with the law in this situation?
How many know the statutes at play or court precedence? Based on comments none of the liberals have.
I don't know. Why don't you ask them.
If multiple people see the videos and say "self-defense!", and multiple other people see the videos and say "murder!", then doesn't that suggest that the videos themselves aren't rock-solid conclusive in what they show?
the point of the poll is to bias the general public
Fine, the FBI and DHS don't have to investigate, but don't stand in the way of MN or the city doing their job.
Agree here. It not just the failure to investigate but also the failure to allow any investigation that is raising suspicions.
You think the people that enabled the fraud in MB are going to do anything but a rigged trial? Fuck off commie scum.
How many times did you write about Ashli Babbit.
They're pretty similar.
Someone doing something stupid and a cop who was too antsy shot them.
Soo how many articles did you write?
Only one of the two used what is considered a deadly weapon based on law.
"...They're pretty similar..."
Only to lying piles of shit.
So, this is what JD Vance meant when he said that the ICE officers have "total immunity". He didn't mean that if an ICE officer got in trouble, that he would prevail in court. He meant that ICE officers will never go to court in the first place because the government will cover up their misdeeds. It is the "immunity" that a gangster boss has.
3 seconds. 3 seconds to react. Drive baby drive. 3 seconds to react. I'm sure that most armchair quarterbacks like Jacob Sullum would have been much more capable to react in the same 3 seconds. It doesn't even matter if the agent should not have been in front of the car. That would be about training and not the reaction. I'm so proud that we have so many capable people who "know" how they would have reacted in those 3 seconds even though they have never and will never be tested. I personally know that 3 seconds is not enough time to consciously contemplate and ponder over decisions. Jacob Sullem is apparently a "Super Human" who can fast forward through time and utilize hindsight and deliberate on the pros and cons prior to reacting. And all within the available 3 seconds. Quite astounding.
By the way, has the doctor's report on Jonathan Ross's supposed "internal bleeding" been made public yet?
yes, because HIPAA
He can sign a waiver. And frankly privacy rules haven't stopped them in the past.
But in reality, I believe it's because the "internal bleeding" that they are describing, if it is real at all, is basically just a bruise.
idk if federal employees hipaa rights are subject to waiver it may be an issue if he isn't a free agent
a Quinnipiac poll resting @53% "pro" your argument is in reality a stalemate or argument "con"
The majority of people in Sullum's bubble probably wanted Daniel Penny to fry.
Here's another example of the Brave ICE Agents just enforcing the law against those domestic terrorists. This time, against a 6-month-old baby. Clearly the baby is a terrorist too.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1605883810431359
So sick of this shit. I'm not happy in the least that this happened and think it probably could have been handled better by ICE. Maybe training needs some improvement. But given what did apparently happen, it does seem like under the circumstances it was a clear case of self defense. Not every shitty situation is a crime. Everybody calm the fuck down.
to be fair lol Jacob is contractually obligated to demand open immigration in all forms
"So sick of this shit..."
Ya, the amount of pixels generated over the most open and shut case of FAFO is frankly astounding. One article needed to be written saying :
"Good acted extremely irresponsibly and essentially caused 100% of the situation leading to her death, but it wasn't ideal for the ICE agent to kill her, but legally this obviously would have no chance in court being that she did hit him with her car while fleeing the scene of arrest erratically. "
The fact that its gone any further than that is just stupidity, but we are really seeing a continuation of the hysteria that lead to the BLM summer of love riots as well. Its the same vibes, the same mentally ill shock troops out in force, screaming at random citizens who aren't confirming to what they think they should be doing, attacking citizens, stopping vehicles and making them say the correct thing to get away safely. This is the result of a mentally ill chunk of the populace getting gaslit for years.
Last time it was "police are killing innocent blacks on the streets, nowhere is safe". This time its "police are shooting innocent moms dropping off their kids at school in the face". They have already been gaslit into insanity, and just need someone to point them in the right direction, and this is what you get
You think the case is open-and-shut because you think her motives for being there in the first place are somehow legally relevant. FAFO is not a legal doctrine. It does not matter if she "wasn't supposed to be there".
Its open and shut because she did everything possible wrong, she violently resisted arrest, and the guy reacted in a split second. Its open and shut because of the details on full display.
Her motives were retarded, she was retarded, but those aren't why it has zero chance in court.
Thank god the actual videos exist for this. Imagine the lies that would be told of they didn't. They tell so many lies even with videos being available.
she violently resisted arrest
Oh come on. That is a gross exaggeration of what happened. She panicked and tried to flee.
No, it doesn't matter that she wasn't supposed to be there. All that matters to the question of whether the shooting was justified was what happened in that moment when the officer made the judgement that he was facing a potentially deadly threat. I think it could have been better handled and that it's terrible that this woman was killed. But that's not relevant to the immediate act and whether it was legal self defense.
Same thing reason did during Rittenhouse to try to make him guilty by public opinion. Also what they dod do during George Floyd.
Ironically it was testified in court by trainers the officer followed proper procedure.
Not every shitty situation is a crime.
I totally agree. But no one will believe there wasn't a crime if no investigator even attempts to determine if there was a crime or not.
This is like how large parts of Team Red refused to believe the 2020 election results - because they fundamentally did not trust the system. It did not matter how many officials told them no fraud occurred. They refused to believe it because they don't trust it. It's a similar deal here. Todd Blanche declaring "nothing happened here" will not convince anyone.
Zeb, in the case of most administrations there would be an immediate attempt to calm the situation. Leaders would assure the public that the situation was being looked at carefully. They would avoid any inflammatory statements about either the shooter or the person shot. The administration would reach out to local leaders of government and of non government, business and faith leaders, to calm the situation. What you see from the Trump administration is the "Bull Connors" school of dealing with protests. Want everybody to calm down, then that has to be from all sides.
Minnesota's entire response is to goad Trump into going harder to make him look bad, and they apparently haven't learn their lesson yet.
Saying "Fascism is here, the gestapo is here, resist, use your bodies" rhetoric is what we got from the great leaders of the left, and their mentally ill shock troopers came out in force, many of them attacking ICE agents and their fellow citizens.
They are getting the precise response they knew would come from Trump, that they wanted, that they asked for. Predictable as touching a hot stove.
How many videos have you seen of ICE attacking protestors?
Some ICE agents are out of line, and I dont support it in any way. I also wish he hadn't shot Good, it would have been ideal if he just jumped out of the way and then they arrested her.
But lets not pretend the "peaceful protestors" are actually just that, and they arent acting as defacto brown shirts for the left here. They are pulling people out of cars, beating people, stabbing people, mobbing them, stopping vehicles and demanding pledges of fealty before allowing them to pass. You cant call this appropriate behavior while decrying fascism.
They are pulling people out of cars, beating people, stabbing people, mobbing them, stopping vehicles
ICE officers are doing that (minus the stabbing - so far).
protestors or obstructors?
You are right because rather than being a leader Trump is todays embodiment of Bull Connor. Ask Sheriff Jim Clark how those tactics worked out on the Edmund Pettus Bridge?
Retarded the first time you said it.
Fuck you. Waltz and Frey were screaming murder an hour later. Seriously. Fuck your fake temper bullshit. All your side does is sow chaos.
I did say "everybody". The "gestapo" rhetoric and mobs of people interfering with any action by ICE is too much, as is much of the rhetoric from the other side and some of the "show of force" type tactics from ICE.
The "gestapo" rhetoric [...] is too much
Is it? They are acting very unprofessionally - talking disrespectfully, using force/pepper spray/"nonlethal munitions" when it is not appropriate, they are running around wearing masks, they don't have warrants to do a lot of the stuff they are doing, they are racially profiling (we know this because they are detaining NATIVE AMERICANS), FFS one of them used tear gas in a car that had a 6-month-old baby in it and the baby almost died.
I agree that they are not yet at full 1930's-level Nazi Gestapo but they are borrowing from the same script. They are giving people ample reason to make the comparison with their thuggish behavior.
OK, name what could have been done better by ICE given that they were facing people intentionally escalating the situation and ultimately employing a deadly weapon against ICE. Maybe if the commie squad of retards had stayed out of the street there would be fewer bodies today.
Totally agree. Unfortunately, you have not seen the worst part yet. Good's partner will file a civil suit demanding millions of dollars. The municipality will happily pay it to enrage Trump and his supporters.
Review: Here is another video of an attack against a person with a deadly weapon (a car). And yet I haven't heard anyone scream ATTEMPTED MURDER.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eTEQCLWpJC8
Meh, the next democrat president will stop the investigation/pardon Good's partner and prosecute Ross for
politicalmisconduct.The die has been cast. Whiplash with each new administration is the new order unless by some miracle Americans depoliticize the DOJ and executive departments.
We need to start thinking about amendments to rein this bullshit in.
I've long been in favor of a constitutional convention. It's time for a rewrite.
I would suggest that Jonathon Ross and his ICE superiors be ready for the time in the future when they don't have the Trump administration to cover their asses. Addie Mae Collins, Cynthia Wesley, Carole Robertson, and Carol Denise McNair waited many years for justice. It came late but it did come.
Look at the actual fascist threaten jail for non illegal acts while he calls others fascist. As if they didnt do this for 4 years between 2020 and 2024. Mod is a mapist. He dreams of being in the red guard.