'We Are Not Investigating' the Shooting of Renee Good, the Deputy Attorney General Says
Todd Blanche joins other top administration officials in declaring that ICE agent Jonathan Ross was justified in killing Good. Most Americans disagree.
After Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent Jonathan Ross fatally shot Minneapolis protester Renee Good on January 7, the head of Minnesota's Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) complained that his agency had been excluded from the investigation of the incident. After initially agreeing to "a joint investigation," BCA Superintendent Drew Evans said, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Minnesota decided the probe "would now be led solely by the FBI." Judging from recent comments by Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, there is little hope that investigation will clarify the circumstances of the shooting, which most Americans view as unjustified based on the evidence they have seen so far.
"Is the FBI conducting an investigation into that agent, into the shooting?" Shannon Bream asked Blanche on Fox News Sunday. "What can you tell us about that? Will it be made public?"
Blanche did not answer directly, instead saying the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division was not looking into the shooting. "We don't just go out and investigate every time an officer is forced to defend himself against somebody [who was] putting his life in danger," he said. "We never do." Blanche added that "there are over a thousand shootings every year where law enforcement [officers] are put in danger by individuals and they have to protect themselves, and they have a lawful right to do so."
Blanche, in other words, joins Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem, President Donald Trump, and Vice President J.D. Vance in asserting that Ross acted in self-defense when he fired three shots into Good's Honda Pilot. How does Blanche know that?
"What happened on that day has been reviewed by millions and millions of Americans" who have seen bystander video of the incident, Blanche noted. That footage, he suggested, confirmed that the shooting was "objectively reasonable" given "the totality of the circumstances"—the Fourth Amendment test that the Supreme Court has applied to the use of deadly force by law enforcement officers.
Blanche did not mention that the "millions and millions of Americans" who have seen that footage disagree passionately about what it shows, which underlines the need for further investigation to resolve the issue. As of now, most Americans do not share Blanche's view.
In a YouGov poll conducted from January 9 through January 11, two-thirds of the respondents said they had heard a lot about the shooting, and 70 percent said they had watched video of the incident. Just 28 percent thought the shooting was justified, while 53 percent said it was not and 18 percent said they weren't sure. The breakdown was similar when people were asked whether Ross should face criminal charges.
As you might expect, Republicans were much more inclined than Democrats to view the shooting as justified. But while 88 percent of Democrats said the shooting was not justified, a substantially smaller majority of Republicans (61 percent) said it was. Even among Republicans, more than a third either said the shooting was not justified (15 percent) or said they weren't sure (24 percent). Most independents (58 percent) said the shooting was not justified.
Those finding are broadly consistent with the results of another YouGov poll conducted in collaboration with Yahoo News from January 8 through January 12. Just 27 percent of respondents thought the shooting was justified, while 52 percent said it was not and 21 percent were unsure. People who had watched video of the encounter were more likely to express an opinion: In that group, 57 percent thought the shooting was not justified, while 35 percent said it was.
In a Quinnipiac University survey conducted during the same period, 53 percent of respondents said the shooting was not justified, while 35 percent thought it was and 12 percent did not offer an opinion. In that poll, the partisan difference was sharper than in the YouGov surveys. Still, nearly a quarter of Republicans (23 percent) were not persuaded that the shooting was justified. And among independents, 59 percent said the shooting was not justified.
Public opinion, of course, cannot resolve the legal question. But these results suggest that, contrary to what Blanche implied, the video evidence is inconclusive at best.
Blanche left open the possibility that new evidence might justify a Justice Department inquiry, but that seems quite unlikely given the position he has already taken. "We investigate when it's appropriate to investigate," he said. "That is not the case here. It wasn't the case when it happened, and it's not the case today. If circumstances change and there's something that we do need to investigate around that shooting or any other shooting, we will. But we are not going to bow to pressure from the media, bow to pressure from politicians and do something that we never do—not under this administration, not under the last administration. And so no, we are not investigating, and if there comes a time when we need to, we will, but it's not now."
Blanche added that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is conducting an internal investigation of the shooting, as law enforcement agencies routinely do when officers fire their weapons. In an interview on the CBS show Face the Nation, Noem confirmed that Ross had been placed on adminstrative leave pending an investigation by her department's Office of Professional Responsibility. In addition to the question of whether the shooting complied with the Fourth Amendment, that review should ask whether Ross and the other ICE agents at the scene followed DHS policy. But there can be little doubt about the outcome of the DHS investigation, since Noem herself has repeatedly said Ross followed his training and acted in self-defense.
Noem first offered that judgment just hours after the shooting, saying Good was engaged in "domestic terrorism" because she "weaponize[d] her vehicle" by "attempt[ing] to run a law enforcement officer over." She said Ross, "fearing for his life," fired "defensive shots," in accordance with "his training," to "save his own life and [those] of his colleagues." The following Sunday, Noem defended that assessment, including her portrayal of Good as a domestic terrorist, during a contentious interview with CNN's Jake Tapper.
"Why did you not wait for an investigation before making your comments?" Tapper wondered. "Well," Noem replied, "everything that I have said has been proven to be factual and the truth."
The implication was that Noem's snap judgment on the day of the shooting, which she said was based on "videos" and conversations with ICE supervisors, had been retroactively validated by additional evidence. But she did not elucidate that evidence, even though she bragged that the Trump administration "is the most transparent and open government that we have ever had."
On Face the Nation yesterday, Noem, like Blanche, said "everybody can watch the videos and see" that Good deliberately tried to run Ross down. But if it were true that the videos leave no doubt on that score, why do 57 percent of Americans who have seen that footage say Good "was not trying to kill" Ross and that he "acted recklessly"? Why do 60 percent of those people reject Noem's characterization of Good's conduct as "domestic terrorism"? Probably because the videos cast serious doubt on Noem's description of what happened.
The videos show two ICE agents approaching Good's SUV, which she had parked sideways on Portland Avenue, forcing motorists to drive around her, a few minutes earlier. A witness reported that one of the agents initially told Good to drive away, which would have been a straightforward and peaceful way to resolve the situation. But another agent took a more aggressive approach. "Get out of the car," he told Good. "Get out of the car. Get out of the fucking car. Get out of the car."
Immediately after those rapid-fire commands, that agent grabbed the handle of the door next to Good and reached inside the car. At that point, Good backed up a bit and then started moving forward, steering to the right—away from the ICE agents. "Drive, baby, drive," said Good's wife, who was standing outside the car. We all know what happened next.
Although Noem is intent on portraying Good as an attempted murderer, that account seems inconsistent with Good's cheerful demeanor in Ross' cellphone video of the encounter as well as the direction in which she was pointing her car. But that does not necessarily mean the shooting was not legally justified.
Whatever Good's intent, she reportedly "clipped" Ross as she began to drive away. Although Ross seems uninjured in footage recorded after the shooting, unnamed government sources have told news outlets he suffered "internal bleeding." Noem, who had previously said Ross was treated at a hospital and released the same day, declined to discuss the extent of his injuries on Face the Nation. But regardless of how serious the damage was, Good's recklessness demonstrably posed a threat to Ross, especially because he had positioned himself in front of the car, contrary to standard police training.
Since Ross quickly moved out of the way, however, it is not clear that the shooting was justified self-defense, as opposed to angry retaliation (as suggested by his "fucking bitch" comment after he killed Good). It is hard to tell from the videos whether Ross was still in the SUV's path when he fired the first shot, which entered the car through the lower left corner of the windshield. He was definitely out of the way when he fired the second and third shots, which went through the side window next to Good.
When Tapper asked Noem about the justification for the second and third shots, she noted that Ross was making a "split-second" decision, which might count in his favor in the Fourth Amendment analysis. That's assuming it was reasonable to think killing Good was an effective way to neutralize the threat she allegedly posed, which seems doubtful given what actually happened: The unguided SUV careened down the street, stopping only after it crashed into a parked car.
Reasonable people can (and do!) disagree about how to weigh these considerations. But the dispute cries out for additional evidence beyond the ambiguous videos that persuaded Blanche and Noem, including witness accounts, the car's trajectory, and Ross' location when he fired his weapon. "This administration wants to operate in transparency," Noem told Tapper. Even if DHS and the FBI (assuming it is still investigating the shooting) absolve Ross—as seems inevitable—transparency demands a detailed explanation of the reasons for that conclusion. It does not seem like we will get that.
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Most Americans disagree because you and the rest of the propagandists keep lying to them.
And I doubt that statement is true. Sullum is an inveterate liar.
Trump lies too... doesn't he? Heck, at least some of the time?
And if lying is so uniformly awful, then why is it so much worse when Democrats/Liberals/Anyone-Not-MAGA do it? I mean, ALL lying is bad.. ain't it?
Walz +7
We weren’t talking about Trump, you vapid pinko.
I mean, ALL lying is bad.. ain't it?
Of course it isn't! At least from the MAGA point of view. It boils down to the one maxim of conservative thought:
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
So lying is justified when they do it. Lying is not justified when anyone else does it. And it's not even a hypocritical position, it is totally consistent with their own internal logic.
"...Trump lies too... doesn't he? Heck, at least some of the time?..."
Unlike TDS-addled steaming piles of lying shit like you, who never STOP lying.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
ALL lying is bad.. ain't it?
If you believed it, you wouldn't have to ask it. Most children have a pretty good grasp of this by the time they're 4. They're even colored or shaded and sized "little white lies" vs. "big black lies" to aid in understanding. There are also "lies of virtue" and "managing expectations" that are posited on intention and become more or less true based on actions and outcomes. But again, most children have a fairly facile grasp of all of this before they hit adolescence. They may not know which exact statements are duplicitous or dishonest up front, even many adults don't know and part if the issue with some lies is that they can't be known, but given a complete set of facts, statements, context, and outcomes, 10 yr. olds can say what was a white lie and what was done out of malice.
But most Americans disagree, according to a new Yahoo/YouGov poll.
Turns out, in fact, most Americans didn't disagree.
Or, at least, if most Americans agreed, you wouldn't have to go to 3rd tier web polling backed by a British quango.
Copsuckers gonna say what their masters tell them to say.
JS;dr
JS;dr. Question. Does Jacob finally reveal his position on the murder of Ashli Babbit and the ensuing lack of investigation? Thanks in advance to anyone with the stomach to slog through his lunatic ravings.
Nope. The TDS-addled lying pile of steaming shit Sullum is all in for the murder of Babbit, but firmly against the LEO acting in self-defense in MN.
He really is a slimy pile of shit.
What in the name of moral turpitude makes you deplore the armed defense of the Capitol against breaking and entry by a torch and pitchfork mob, but applaud the summary execution of an unarmed woman for reckless driving at 2 miles an hour ?
What in the name of abysmal idiocy makes you post total bullshit like that?
Fuck off and take your fake, lying website with you, asswipe.
My god. He remains not only irrelevant but still retarded.
RetardGPT has entered the chat again.
JS;dr
Reason is scum.
Seriously. Fuck yourself.
Sullum is objectively evil.
Not even joking.
Evil.. you mean, like, 'Dr. Evil' kinda evil??
"Evil" simply for having an opinion... hmm, you must secretly love Progressives, since there was no shortage of them crazy folk lining up and calling Charlie Kirk "evil", just for his opinions.. ya see? You are exactly what you claim to hate.
Self-hatred is insidious, but curable. There's always hope, my brother.
He’s evil because he’s a lying propagandist cunt that is a paid unprincipled shill by Koch. And your rationale is beyond retarded.
You need help…..
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html
Sorta like the POS to whom you are responding.
Evil.. you mean, like, 'Dr. Evil' kinda evil??
No. Like Walter Duranty, Josef Goebbels evil.
""Evil" simply for having an opinion...
Deliberately and purposefully lying isn't "simply having an opinion", Sarckles.
Self-hatred is insidious, but curable
Hating deliberate deceit isn't self-hatred, you retarded drunk.
Again, evil as in intentionally lying to hurt people or deceive them in order to hurt others.
As ML says, having an opinion, even a wrong one, isn't a lie. Intentionally agitating people to hurt themselves or others, even if done truthfully, is evil. Lying (with all the nuance of bigger/smaller and white/black noted above) being a, if not the, difference.
Again, most 4-10 yr. olds understand the difference between the lie "the gun isn't loaded" in the sentences "The gun isn't loaded, don't touch it." and "The gun isn't loaded, you safely can point it at someone and pull the trigger."
With a barb-wire-wrapped baseball bat...
Are we determining guilt by popular polling, or evidence?
A jury of one's queers.
Evidence. The evidence we have to date is a number of videos which suggest that the shooting was not justified. The evidence we have to date is that the ICE officers failed to follow there own procedures. In fact we know that Jonathon Ross failed to follow procedures in the Renee Good shooting and in a previous case where he was dragged by a car. How many chance to screw up does an armed officer get?
Even if we considered all of that to be true, just for the sake of argument, what does that have to do with the applicability of public polling data in this case?
Obviously that public polling is showing that evidence does exist to believe the shooting was not justified.
No. It shows retards like yourself easily fall for propaganda.
For example. Above you confuse policy with the law. In a case in LA 2024 they tried going after an officer for the same self defense situation. He was fired but not charged.
Violation of policy is a firing, not a conviction.
Idiots like you flock to polls merely to show how ignorant you are.
Fired but not charged is government shorthand for "you eff'd up , but we don't want to admit liability nor set a disfavorable legal precedent for later. "
That doesn’t track.
Walz +6
Retarded parody.
None of that is true though.
Being as how they are refusing to investigate, I guess it's guilt (or innocence in this case) is determined by a poll of the "top adminstration officials".
Nice to see DoJ plans on charging Don Lemon under the KKK Act for his bullshit yesterday at the church.
Oh, Sullum, fuck your lame obsession.
Sometimes I feel like we live in the most retarded time line, but sometimes, we get delicious gems like this.
Tomorrow will be the articles about how horrible it is that the current government is using laws that were intended to only be used by the Left11!!!!1!
I wonder why Renee Good's partner hasn't posted her video online? She had reportedly been videotaping their actions all day and it appears she was recording at the time Good drove at the agent. It would seem she would have an excellent video of her partner's actions as well as that of the agent.
"I wonder why Renee Good's partner hasn't posted her video online? She had reportedly been videotaping their actions all day and it appears she was recording at the time Good drove at the agent. "
I guarantee its just full of them talking about how they plan on purposefully plan on fucking with the ICE agents and blocking them. Essentially confirming the "fuck around" portion of FAFO.
Otherwise it would have been posted and run on every MSM and social media site 24/7. Its likely an hour of them being insufferable cunts, and showing they knowingly and intentionally went there to break the law and fuck with people.
That's why
The icing on the cake will be if they charge Good’s ‘wife’ with obstruction or similar charges.
Felony murder would be a just result
Schadenfreudiest part about it, if she'd said,"Go have some lunch, big boy." and Ross adjusted her temperament with a right cross, everyone leaving alive go up and the chances of any internal bleeding go down.
People complain about toxic masculinity...
I’d agree. The video is probably highly incriminating of their actions and would help the ICE agent.
The one video from afar a few minutes before the incident shows them setting up, driving to block the road, and her partner getting out to get the shot on film, and her sitting in the car dancing gleefully, waiting to start talking shit when ICE got there.
Also shows good almost hit another car trying to get around her then pull further into the street to block it.
This is obviously not a surprise at all. Further, the feds will never ever investigate anything they do or hold themselves accountable for anything.
So is the response sternly worded articles?
Nor should it be, JFucked. He clearly acted in self-defense when the shitforbrains attempted to run over him.
Sevo!! You don't mean.. she tried to murder him, do ya? Well she did piss poor job of that... turning the vehicle to the right like that when steppin' on that accelerator.. that big dummy.
She should've just gone straight ahead... that would get the job done. Only thing worse than a murderer is an ineffective one.
Walz +6
"...Well she did piss poor job of that..."
Sort of like you in an attempt to make sense, asswipe. And for the same reason; you and she have IQ's approximating your shoe size.
Fuck off and die, shitstain.
I hope can agree that attempted murder of a federal officer is a serious thing, requiring a deep investigation of all involved. Just for starters, was this a one-off crazy or a team working together? What could or should have been done to de-escalate the situation? Yet the Feds are explicitly NOT investigating. Meh, just another day at the office.
I can't quite get over the cognitive dissonance between these two positions.
Pretty sure they're not investigating HIS actions.
How deep do you need when videos exist and a hospital report exists?
Video from multiple angles that’s all been publicly available for over a week now is just not enough to convince these retards.
I mean, we can all see the same videos, but you still see people like Jeff saying that Ross deliberately stepped in front of the car so he could justify shooting her.
Not to mention that "internal bleeding in the torso" could mean several different things. That is not a precise medical phrasing that a doctor would use, and it came from 'anonymous sources' . If there was an gosh darn INVESTIGATION we could subpoena the actual records and have the truth instead of hearsay. But there will be no investigation, which makes me think of adage : a good lawyer will never ask a question in court that they don't already know the answer to.
“Most Americans disagree.” Is guilt or innocence determined by poll now?
Been living in the US long? Around during the Benghazi hearings? Obama's citizenship or Hunter Biden's business dealings? Why is this different?
"In a YouGov poll conducted from January 9 through January 11, two-thirds of the respondents said they had heard a lot about the shooting, and 70 percent said they had watched video of the incident. Just 28 percent thought the shooting was justified, while 53 percent said it was not and 18 percent said they weren't sure. The breakdown was similar when people were asked whether Ross should face criminal charges."
And that matters, how? Criminal justice by popularity poll does not seem something very desirable.
Criminal justice by popularity poll does not seem something very desirable.
Strawman, no one is arguing in favor of criminal justice by popularity poll. The point of the poll is to demonstrate that the video evidence is not as conclusive as Todd Blanche seems to think it is.
The poll does not and cannot do any such thing.
Sure it can - if many many people disagree on the proper conclusions to draw from the video evidence, it certainly does suggest that the video evidence is not as clear-cut as the government thinks it is.
That isn’t a logical conclusion. It’s a dishonest one. The opinion of even large amounts of dishonest leftists, such as yourself, do not prove or disprove anything. This is the sort of thing ChatGPT is always pointing out about your arguments.
You are dishonest, and utterly untrustworthy.
Case closed.
Polls can be manipulated by targeting certain respondents who are more likely to agree with the pollsters’ biases. But, you knew that already, didn’t you.
They got a weak minded person killed by encouraging her to play stupid games with law enforcement and want to exploit it for propaganda purposes for all it is worth.
It is absolutely disgusting behavior.
They got a weak minded person killed by encouraging her to play stupid games with law enforcement and want to exploit it for propaganda purposes for all it is worth.
It is absolutely disgusting behavior.
Funny, for a moment there I thought you were describing Team Red's treatment of Ashli Babbitt
Ashli was less deserving of getting blasted than Good was.
What is your evidence that the poll was manipulated?
It is a YouGov poll. It is not a remotely "scientific" poll. You should stop blowing the subpar mediocrities who write here and think for yourself.
For once.
He’s far too distracted by his 55 gallon ice cream drums for any sustained logical thought. Plus he’s kid of dumb to begin with.
Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. Go back and reread, slowly, mouthing or speaking the words, then discuss what I actually said.
They call that ‘Pedo Jeffy push polling’.
Is that when most lefties and normies were only watching the NYT's lying narrative video? Pretty sure that's before Ross's video and several others had widely circulated. Even then, it just shows that a lot of people are being manipulated by a dishonest media. It's just so fucking disappointing that Reason continues to lie and play games with this when there are real libertarian arguments involved.
It really is shocking that they let Sullum come out and continue this BS after Reason got absolutely railed on X over the other ones. Over 1000 comments on one of the posts telling him that he's a lying dipshit when they rarely muster more than 5 for any post.
It really is shocking that they let Sullum come out and continue this BS after Reason got absolutely railed on X over the other ones.
Who cares? Do you really think Reason is supposed to cater to a conservative audience?
It’s not conservative to note reality, though it does say an awful lot about you.
I've seen several versions of the same video where things have been changed. I can't say which one is the actual one. The one thing they forget to screw with are the tires spinning on the ice. She floored it. Plain and simple. It doesn't matter which way the wheels were pointed because the car was sliding on the ice. If those wheels would have had any traction, she'd have probably killed him.
Is there any evidence that these respondents carefully studied the video from as many angles as they had available to them, or have any sort of passing familiarity with the law in this situation?
How many know the statutes at play or court precedence? Based on comments none of the liberals have.
I don't know. Why don't you ask them.
If multiple people see the videos and say "self-defense!", and multiple other people see the videos and say "murder!", then doesn't that suggest that the videos themselves aren't rock-solid conclusive in what they show?
No. Most people are stupid and ignorant.
Jeff wants a legal system based on an appeal to feelz.
Democrat feels only.
We aren’t paying attention to “experts” now?
the point of the poll is to bias the general public
53% said it wasn't justified, only 70% had seen the video, so ~37% were willing to ascribe guilt based on heresay or word of mouth (or on some false understanding of the law like 'It's never OK to defend yourself with a gun.')
Fuck Sullum.
Ugh, 70% had seen the video, ~15% were willing to ascribe guilt sight-unseen.
Fine, the FBI and DHS don't have to investigate, but don't stand in the way of MN or the city doing their job.
Agree here. It not just the failure to investigate but also the failure to allow any investigation that is raising suspicions.
You think the people that enabled the fraud in MB are going to do anything but a rigged trial? Fuck off commie scum.
And then there was MN AG Keith Ellison whose attorneys knowingly entered false evidence into the trial of the four officers, in the George Floyd case. And got the politicized verdict that he wanted.
To clarify, the technique the 4 officers utilized was SOP for the Minneapolis PD, to prevent those ODing on narcotics (fentanyl in this case) from aspirating on their own vomit. Floyd was removed from the police car when his OD became apparent - otherwise he would have remained in the police car. They were trying to save Floyd, not kill him. And, of course, there was no evidence that the position they kept him in harmed him. No bruises or other indications of strangulation. Combined with pharmacology report showing a potentially lethal level of fentanyl in Floyd’s system, the cause of his death was obvious. Instead, Ellison’s paid expert witness testified that the officer’s hold killed him, despite leaving no evidence. And the fentanyl level in his system, though potentially fatal, didn’t kill him. Lying POS.
BUT maybe more egregious, the testimony by Ellison was that the hold technique wasn’t SOP. Turns out, it was approved, for just this purpose, by their PD, and was taught at the police academy, for that purpose. Lying POS. Intentionally introduced false evidence entered into the record by Ellison’s hand picked prosecutor.
Wonder why the Trump Administration doesn’t want MN authorities involved? Because they likely would spend their time second guessing the DOJ/FBI investigation, and the justification for the shooting. Which is federal law, so under Supremacy, they can’t interpret federal laws and rules. None of their business.
And then what? Prosecuting Ross under state law, despite his conduct having been checked and approved by the DOJ/FBI? If the USG has endorsed Ross’ self defense claim, that’s the end of the story.
They're not standing in the way.
Just as MN is "not standing in the way" of ICE doing their job.
The Feds are not obligated to help MN do a damned thing.
"Fine, the FBI and DHS don't have to investigate, but don't stand in the way of MN or the city doing their job."
Are you Ray Charles? Did you "look" at the vids?
No, it's not fine that we don't have a comprehensive review and database of all police shootings.
How many times did you write about Ashli Babbit.
They're pretty similar.
Someone doing something stupid and a cop who was too antsy shot them.
Soo how many articles did you write?
Only one of the two used what is considered a deadly weapon based on law.
"...They're pretty similar..."
Only to lying piles of shit.
I think they're close enough to highlight the hypocrisy in coverage.
I haven't seen video of Babbit, but the way it has been described makes it seem like a bad shoot that is vaguely justified by the circumstances. I've seen plenty of angles from this one and Ross had more than enough justification even if you try to Monday quarterback the decision.
It was a Good outcome that wasn’t so good for Good.
Babbit was not armed AT ALL. Period.
Not armed and not a direct threat. Byrd even stated as much on the stand. He wasn't specifically afraid of Babbitt, he was afraid of the mob.
When i first heard about Babbitt, i was pretty sure it would be a FAFO situation. Then I watched the video of a cowardly Byrd jumping out of cover to shoot a completely defenseless person in the throat.
The Ross-Good situation is not in any way comparable. That car is coming directly at him on a slippery road. He did not instigate the threat.
Officer Byrd admitted he had no line of sight until he shot. 3 officers were on babbits side of the door.
So, this is what JD Vance meant when he said that the ICE officers have "total immunity". He didn't mean that if an ICE officer got in trouble, that he would prevail in court. He meant that ICE officers will never go to court in the first place because the government will cover up their misdeeds. It is the "immunity" that a gangster boss has.
What he meant is that they won’t allow leftists like you to subject federal officers to lawfare like you already did to our president.
3 seconds. 3 seconds to react. Drive baby drive. 3 seconds to react. I'm sure that most armchair quarterbacks like Jacob Sullum would have been much more capable to react in the same 3 seconds. It doesn't even matter if the agent should not have been in front of the car. That would be about training and not the reaction. I'm so proud that we have so many capable people who "know" how they would have reacted in those 3 seconds even though they have never and will never be tested. I personally know that 3 seconds is not enough time to consciously contemplate and ponder over decisions. Jacob Sullem is apparently a "Super Human" who can fast forward through time and utilize hindsight and deliberate on the pros and cons prior to reacting. And all within the available 3 seconds. Quite astounding.
Sullum thinks he’s America’s Super soldier.
Personally, I don't think I would have raised my weapon as a reaction. I also think that I probably would have slipped trying to evade her and at a minimum ended up with my legs run over. As a person he had the right to self-defense the moment she ignored orders and started driving at him. As a law enforcement officer he had a responsibility to end the threat posed.
"...Personally, I don't think I would have raised my weapon as a reaction..."
Personally, I think you're full of shit.
Someone is driving a vehicle directly at you and you have but one possibility of responding.
I'm happy he was a Goode shot.
Personally, I think you're full of shit.
Someone is driving a vehicle directly at you and you have but one possibility of responding.
I'm with MasterThief. I don't think of (hand)guns as car-stopping tools. I may or may not have slipped.
A cop with two broken legs from being run over doesn't bode any better for Good's (either one) outcome, and would probably go further towards shutting this ICE Watch shit down.
But, the outcome(s) we didn't get are kinda immaterial.
The whole point of training and procedure is that you aren't relying on instantaneous reactions.
By the way, has the doctor's report on Jonathan Ross's supposed "internal bleeding" been made public yet?
yes, because HIPAA
He can sign a waiver. And frankly privacy rules haven't stopped them in the past.
But in reality, I believe it's because the "internal bleeding" that they are describing, if it is real at all, is basically just a bruise.
idk if federal employees hipaa rights are subject to waiver it may be an issue if he isn't a free agent
..basically just a bruise.
Jeff thinks he’s a doctor now.
So? It doesn’t matter what evidence is provided. You will either lie and say it doesn’t matter, or lie and say it isn’t real. Or both. Because you’re a liar.
So why should he provide anything to a morbidly obese pedantic lying open borders Marxist like yourself? You’re certainly owed nothing, as are others of your kind.
But in reality, I believe it's because the "internal bleeding" that they are describing, if it is real at all, is basically just a bruise.
So, she hit him with the car then.
a Quinnipiac poll resting @53% "pro" your argument is in reality a stalemate or argument "con"
A poll of people, ~37% of whom were sure of Ross' guilt, sight unseen.
The majority of people in Sullum's bubble probably wanted Daniel Penny to fry.
I'd bet $100 a not insignificant number of them are *still* certain that Kyle Rittenhouse shot 3 black men.
Here's another example of the Brave ICE Agents just enforcing the law against those domestic terrorists. This time, against a 6-month-old baby. Clearly the baby is a terrorist too.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1605883810431359
Dozens of videos online of tear gas being sprayed at protestors doing nothing wrong and staying at a distance, dozens of videos of ICE agents slamming and manhandling them for no reason, and a string of lies from ICE. Like the lie that the old Hmong dude lived with criminals. Arresting citizens left and right, going door to door and demanding people to prove their citizenship. They don't give a shit because they know there will be no accountability. And that's a sociopath's dream.
Poor sarc.
Dozens if vids online prove Fu Manchu to be full of shit.
Nice links sarc. Did you watch some maddow clips and come to thar conclusion?
Amazing how freely you push conspiracies though.
Missed the whole protesters and ICE in conflict thing, huh?
Of course the issue is all on ICE.
So sick of this shit. I'm not happy in the least that this happened and think it probably could have been handled better by ICE. Maybe training needs some improvement. But given what did apparently happen, it does seem like under the circumstances it was a clear case of self defense. Not every shitty situation is a crime. Everybody calm the fuck down.
to be fair lol Jacob is contractually obligated to demand open immigration in all forms
"So sick of this shit..."
Ya, the amount of pixels generated over the most open and shut case of FAFO is frankly astounding. One article needed to be written saying :
"Good acted extremely irresponsibly and essentially caused 100% of the situation leading to her death, but it wasn't ideal for the ICE agent to kill her, but legally this obviously would have no chance in court being that she did hit him with her car while fleeing the scene of arrest erratically. "
The fact that its gone any further than that is just stupidity, but we are really seeing a continuation of the hysteria that lead to the BLM summer of love riots as well. Its the same vibes, the same mentally ill shock troops out in force, screaming at random citizens who aren't confirming to what they think they should be doing, attacking citizens, stopping vehicles and making them say the correct thing to get away safely. This is the result of a mentally ill chunk of the populace getting gaslit for years.
Last time it was "police are killing innocent blacks on the streets, nowhere is safe". This time its "police are shooting innocent moms dropping off their kids at school in the face". They have already been gaslit into insanity, and just need someone to point them in the right direction, and this is what you get
You think the case is open-and-shut because you think her motives for being there in the first place are somehow legally relevant. FAFO is not a legal doctrine. It does not matter if she "wasn't supposed to be there".
Its open and shut because she did everything possible wrong, she violently resisted arrest, and the guy reacted in a split second. Its open and shut because of the details on full display.
Her motives were retarded, she was retarded, but those aren't why it has zero chance in court.
Thank god the actual videos exist for this. Imagine the lies that would be told of they didn't. They tell so many lies even with videos being available.
They were shouting "hands up dont shoot" in that church service they disrupted.
No shit, using the last gaslighting propaganda lie (from the time we didnt have the video) on the current situation (where we, fortunately, do)
Its been noted by many that probably the biggest hit to the BLM movement, ironically (but not what you think about it) was police body cams. Because so many Michael Brown incidents all relied on a lot of hearsay from people nearby, who happened to have a pretty good motivation to make shit up about the incident. Now for every George Floyd case, we 100 cases where the person is on tape actively resisting and fighting, sometimes beating the shit out of the officer, before being shot.
Like you said, with no video they would be making this into BLM 2
BLM's DEMANDS for cops to wear body cams has been the biggest own goal in protest history.
she violently resisted arrest
Oh come on. That is a gross exaggeration of what happened. She panicked and tried to flee.
She tried to flee over the body of an officer. She violently resisted arrest.
Hitting an officer with a 2-3 ton vehicle while trying to flee an arrest is "violently resisting arrest", pretty much definitionally.
We had it happen in my neighborhood several years back - a couple of teenage kids were going up and down our block, breaking into cars, finally found one with the keys inside just as the officers rolled up to stop them. They tried driving through the officers with their newly stolen car, and got shot. One died (the driver). The only people charged were the two surviving kids.
We all know that she could have blasted the officer with a shotgun a and Pedo Jeffy would have excused her actions while blaming the officer for trying to do his job.
I think the connotations of "violently resisting arrest" misrepresents what actually happened. It's not like she got into a fistfight with the officer.
I think
Bullshit.
Not on his best day.
" It's not like she got into a fistfight with the officer.".....
What she did was at least 10000x more dangerous than a 37 year old out of shape mentally ill white woman fist fighting him. Her fist fighting him would maybe be the safest thing that happened to him that day.
"mentally ill"? Where did this come from?
What I mean is, it's not like she picked a fight with the officer. She was trying to flee. Her bumping him with the car was incidental, not the main point.
I don't think many people would describe someone that hits people with their car as "mentally healthy."
She’s clearly a nutcase just form the video of her we've already seen.
Being in a state of panic is not the same as mentally ill.
it's not like she picked a fight with the officer.
She and her bitch had spent the ENTIRE DAY provoking the officers. There is no doubt about their hostile intentions.
I don’t know, maybe it’s the part where she was giddy about blocking the road after harassing ICE all morning. Most sane people don’t follow anyone around for hours on end.
I pray to God that these assholes don’t pull this shit and it causing some really bad guy to get away to rape or murder again.
She got into an SUV v cop fight.
Ashli Babbitt just tried to avoid getting cut on the glass of a door.
Que sera sera.
No, it doesn't matter that she wasn't supposed to be there. All that matters to the question of whether the shooting was justified was what happened in that moment when the officer made the judgement that he was facing a potentially deadly threat. I think it could have been better handled and that it's terrible that this woman was killed. But that's not relevant to the immediate act and whether it was legal self defense.
"...and that it's terrible that this woman was killed..."
Disagreed. She was a narcissistic, entitled, TDS-addled pile of shit, and could well have been the agent of more 'innocent' deaths as a result of her imbecility.
I'm not going to try to change your mind. I don't have a ton of sympathy for her, and she bears most of the blame for the incident, but I'm not happy about anyone getting killed who didn't clearly need to be killed.
Same thing reason did during Rittenhouse to try to make him guilty by public opinion. Also what they dod do during George Floyd.
Ironically it was testified in court by trainers the officer followed proper procedure.
"Same thing reason did during Rittenhouse"
He wasn't supposed to be there
He went there to kill black people
He went there to kill peaceful protestors
HE CROSSED STATE LINES FOR GOD SAKES!
He shouldn't have had the gun
Why did he care about that business anyways?
He went there bc white supremacist
Never mentioned by anyone using these arguments: If a large man is chasing you while you have a firearm and you are running full speed, away from him, retreating, being chased around while he says "I am going to fucking kill you", is it obvious self defense when you get cornered and fire?
Exactly the same. It doesn't matter in the end what was in the officers head (unless prior statements of "Im gonna kill some fat stupid white Karen today"), and it doesn't matter if Good was there doing charity work. She was in the path of ICE obstructing them, she chose to stay there, then she chose to drive recklessly with an officer in her path hitting him, the end, those are literally the only important elements of the *legal* case.
No, it boils down to whether lethal force was necessary to prevent imminent death or serious bodily injury. That is far from the case. He doesn't get to shoot her just because she bumped him with the car.
I read some reporting from first responders - she was shot in the left side of her head. Likely the shots through the drivers side window. Also had a shot in her arm [maybe the first shot that went through lower corner windshield when her hands were on the steering wheel?]. But assuming the headshot was the lethal shot; the officer was clearly not in danger of being run over.
Todd Blanche is a corrupt piece of shit. He is simply not a credible person making decisions. Him and Bondi are systematically destroying whatever credibility the DOJ had in federal courts and among the public. This is just another example in a long list of questionable decisions.
Nope. They're doing God’s work. You just don’t like it because you want open borders. Plus your analysis is idiotic. As are you.
Likely...maybe...assuming
That is some top-notch attorney-ing there!
Windycitybullshitter shows up!
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Look at the fake lawyer who doesnt even know the 9-0 USSC decision laughing at his claim that this was not a single engagement. Alito literally disabused your "legal claims" here as bullshit and even sotomayor signed on to it.
I repeat. Youre not a fucking lawyer.
I'd acquit him simply for the entertainment of offing that cunty bitch.
Not every shitty situation is a crime.
I totally agree. But no one will believe there wasn't a crime if no investigator even attempts to determine if there was a crime or not.
This is like how large parts of Team Red refused to believe the 2020 election results - because they fundamentally did not trust the system. It did not matter how many officials told them no fraud occurred. They refused to believe it because they don't trust it. It's a similar deal here. Todd Blanche declaring "nothing happened here" will not convince anyone.
Why investigate it when any reasonable prosecutor can look at the video and come to a conclusion immediately? What are they going to potentially learn from such an endeavor?
What Pedophile Jeff means it’s that he wants hostile democrats to ‘investigate’ and put on a political sham trial like their kind always do. Fatfuck’s entire agenda is to make it impossible for ICE to deport illegals. Every comment he makes here is to advance that goal.
He will lie as much as possible to help ,ale that happen. It’s what he does.
Well, we know Atlanta, GA approved well north of 100,000 illegal ballots. So, that whole GA case seemed to be a prosecution of Trump for asking, you know, valid questions.
Zeb, in the case of most administrations there would be an immediate attempt to calm the situation. Leaders would assure the public that the situation was being looked at carefully. They would avoid any inflammatory statements about either the shooter or the person shot. The administration would reach out to local leaders of government and of non government, business and faith leaders, to calm the situation. What you see from the Trump administration is the "Bull Connors" school of dealing with protests. Want everybody to calm down, then that has to be from all sides.
Minnesota's entire response is to goad Trump into going harder to make him look bad, and they apparently haven't learn their lesson yet.
Saying "Fascism is here, the gestapo is here, resist, use your bodies" rhetoric is what we got from the great leaders of the left, and their mentally ill shock troopers came out in force, many of them attacking ICE agents and their fellow citizens.
They are getting the precise response they knew would come from Trump, that they wanted, that they asked for. Predictable as touching a hot stove.
How many videos have you seen of ICE attacking protestors?
Some ICE agents are out of line, and I dont support it in any way. I also wish he hadn't shot Good, it would have been ideal if he just jumped out of the way and then they arrested her.
But lets not pretend the "peaceful protestors" are actually just that, and they arent acting as defacto brown shirts for the left here. They are pulling people out of cars, beating people, stabbing people, mobbing them, stopping vehicles and demanding pledges of fealty before allowing them to pass. You cant call this appropriate behavior while decrying fascism.
They are pulling people out of cars, beating people, stabbing people, mobbing them, stopping vehicles
ICE officers are doing that (minus the stabbing - so far).
Some ICE agents are out of line, and I dont support it in any way.
But they aren't being disciplined, are they? In fact JD Vance promised them "total immunity". What will it take for these "out of line" agents to face some accountability?
You democrats scum should stay out of their way. Then there will be less problems, and less dead democrats.
protestors or obstructors?
How many videos show what happened the three minutes before the video began?
Because that tends to be key information.
Like that useless dipshit who claimed a cop ran him over until the actual camera from the car showed what really happened.
You are right because rather than being a leader Trump is todays embodiment of Bull Connor. Ask Sheriff Jim Clark how those tactics worked out on the Edmund Pettus Bridge?
Retarded the first time you said it.
Fuck you. Waltz and Frey were screaming murder an hour later. Seriously. Fuck your fake temper bullshit. All your side does is sow chaos.
I did say "everybody". The "gestapo" rhetoric and mobs of people interfering with any action by ICE is too much, as is much of the rhetoric from the other side and some of the "show of force" type tactics from ICE.
The "gestapo" rhetoric [...] is too much
Is it? They are acting very unprofessionally - talking disrespectfully, using force/pepper spray/"nonlethal munitions" when it is not appropriate, they are running around wearing masks, they don't have warrants to do a lot of the stuff they are doing, they are racially profiling (we know this because they are detaining NATIVE AMERICANS), FFS one of them used tear gas in a car that had a 6-month-old baby in it and the baby almost died.
I agree that they are not yet at full 1930's-level Nazi Gestapo but they are borrowing from the same script. They are giving people ample reason to make the comparison with their thuggish behavior.
Have you talked about the "gestapo" rhetoric from Joe Rogan? Remember Joe is one of the bros. Filming ICE actions is not interfering it is documenting what is happening.
Amazing how your side keeps pushing this lie despite on video obstruction.
Do you think bith sides are equal in actions and rhetoric? I dont see that fact.
No.
You mean the way the Left 'calmed' the situation with regards to Mike Brown, George Floyd and Kyle Rittenhouse?
LMFAO.
OK, name what could have been done better by ICE given that they were facing people intentionally escalating the situation and ultimately employing a deadly weapon against ICE. Maybe if the commie squad of retards had stayed out of the street there would be fewer bodies today.
Totally agree. Unfortunately, you have not seen the worst part yet. Good's partner will file a civil suit demanding millions of dollars. The municipality will happily pay it to enrage Trump and his supporters.
it probably could have been handled better by ICE. Maybe training needs some improvement.
Thing is, the Goods were, in other parlance, "threat actors". Even if you train on the situation, the people behind them can/will exploit the training.
I think the officer training was fine. Don't fuck around with an arrest that has nothing to do with you, especially not in or with a car, is the training that was critically violated and precipitated the whole thing. If you don't like someone's decision-making or the law, compounding the active variables in the moment and forcing a bind doesn't improve things any.
Even in more passive reaction time and cognitive testing, if you allow for (some) mistakes in the forced situation, or bind, both reaction time and decision-making improve. It's easier for us to sit here, or watching the video, and say, "That gun won't stop that car." because we can simply rewatch the video or find another one. Ross only has the one chance.
Review: Here is another video of an attack against a person with a deadly weapon (a car). And yet I haven't heard anyone scream ATTEMPTED MURDER.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eTEQCLWpJC8
The law only applies to citizens against the state. The law doesn't apply to the state against the citizens.
Poor Sarc.
LMFAO
I swear you tried to make a more retarded sock to pretend youre not back but it is just the same retardation presented as more confident.
Remember when you said it sucked Rittenhouse was not guilty sarc?
Meh, the next democrat president will stop the investigation/pardon Good's partner and prosecute Ross for
politicalmisconduct.The die has been cast. Whiplash with each new administration is the new order unless by some miracle Americans depoliticize the DOJ and executive departments.
We need to start thinking about amendments to rein this bullshit in.
I've long been in favor of a constitutional convention. It's time for a rewrite.
Ok, Marxist.
"We need to start thinking about amendments to rein this bullshit in."
Now that Trump is in office! Mighty convenient, TDS-addled lying pile of steaming shit.
So the commenter that sees everything in a partisan manner, sees my comment in a partisan manner?
I would suggest that Jonathon Ross and his ICE superiors be ready for the time in the future when they don't have the Trump administration to cover their asses. Addie Mae Collins, Cynthia Wesley, Carole Robertson, and Carol Denise McNair waited many years for justice. It came late but it did come.
Look at the actual fascist threaten jail for non illegal acts while he calls others fascist. As if they didnt do this for 4 years between 2020 and 2024. Mod is a mapist. He dreams of being in the red guard.
So ... 88% of Democrats are Criminals and/or Crime-Supporters.
Tell us something that isn't bloody obvious.
As-if lobbying for other people's ?free? sh*t didn't settle that debate.
How about all the criminals Trump pardoned? How about his own administration, breaking the law by not releasing the Epstein files?
Whatttabout? Whaaatttabout??
Most of them were already extrajudicially punished beyond what was reasonable for their alleged offenses.
^ This
The years following J6 were some of the most stalinesque display of lawfare against Trump and many mostly innocent J6ers.
Lots of people at J6 were dumb, I wouldn't personally have chosen to do that, and I certainly wouldn't have attacked police in the process. But there were clearly 100s of people that were just "along for the ride" that didnt break down a barrier themselves, and didnt hit anyone with anything, they waltzed in and took selfies. They deserved a slap on the wrist for trespassing at most, and some of these people were WAY over charged to make an example of.
And of course, the lawfare against Trump has been legendary. True show-trial levels of corruption
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
It's like every post from you all continue to prove this point. The in-group gets pardons for illegal behavior, while the out-group - like, say, illegal immigrants - they get the absolute maximum penalty, no exceptions.
If you seriously think that the Jan 6'ers really deserve a get-out-of-jail free card, then how about the illegal immigrant who came here as a child and has lived peacefully in this country for many many years? Would you consider giving this person a get-out-of-jail free card?
" The in-group gets pardons for illegal behavior,"
I specifically denounced the people doing wrong on J6 and stated there were many well documented cases of OVER charging to prove a point.
The ones who were charged and held for substantial amounts of time for what would be a misdemeanor, those ones absolutely deserved to be pardoned.
The ones who were charged and held for substantial amounts of time for what would be a misdemeanor, those ones absolutely deserved to be pardoned.
So now let's talk about the misdemeanor crime of "illegal entry"... I say that the person committing the crime of "illegal entry" as a child, but has lived here peacefully for many years, deserves a pardon and amnesty. Maybe pay a small fine or something. What do you say? I mean, deportation to a foreign country that the person has never known seems like an overly harsh punishment, don't you think?
I specifically denounced the people doing wrong on J6
They all did wrong. THAT'S MY POINT. You're willing to make a distinction between people who did a little wrong vs. people who did a lot wrong for the people in your in-group. For the people in the out-group, it's maximum penalty all the way.
Cites?
No, they did not. There was a riot on ONE side. On the OTHER side, there was not. There people entered open doors with zero evidence they were not permitted to enter.
They were punished.
Some journalists never ENTERED the Capitol.
They got punished.
Your ignorance is the only strength you have, but it is not a good strength.
Jeff supported the no bail year detainment of even the mon violent j6ers. Denying them medical care. Solitary confinement.
how about the illegal immigrant who came here as a child and has lived peacefully in this country for many many years? Would you consider giving this person a get-out-of-jail free card?
Yes.
5 years later and you’re STILL glossing over the nuance to push YOUR tribal position. Too funny.
Sarc and jeff defended the 20 year charges for non violent J6ers. Then again jeff thinks shooting trespassers is libertarian.
"...How about all the criminals Trump pardoned?..."
The asswipe Fu Manchu feelz that late library book returns constitute 'crimes' worth of jail time.
Fu Manchu is a slimy pile of TDS-addled lying shit.
Well he is sarc. So of course he is.
How have you still not read your own links sarc. My god man. Its 2 or 3 pages.
>Most Americans disagree.
No, a bare majority of a *self-selected* poll of people for a random polling website disagree.
MOST AMERICANS - they're fine with it. We've seen the videos.
There have been at least three different polls, all say that a majority find the shooting unjustified.
Quinnipiac poll, CNN poll, and the YouGov poll.
Only a majority of Republicans say it is justified. Not a majority of all Americans.
The popular opinion is against you on this one
Again, polls can and have been manipulated. Is this a hill you want to die on?
Yes. We've seen the videos...
https://www.takimag.com/article/the-politics-of-disorder/
And we know exactly what the propagandists are up to. And they know we are right on target. Let us take time to savor the flak.
Looks like a good staff, unlike what this rag has become.
Yeah, self-selected poll and, according to their own data, only 70% had seen the video.
He's/they're not polling for facts or an actual objective assessment of the situation. The estimate above that ~15% would ascribe guilt, sight-unseen assumes a random distribution. It's entirely *possible* that *everyone* on the 'justified' or 'IDK' side had seen the footage and only around 40% on the 'not justified' side have seen it.
Per the norm lies from Sullum on top of lies from Yahoo/YouGov in order to generate a narrative that what Renee Good did was acceptable. Fuck 'em.
Well well well. Obergruppenfuhrer Stephen Miller has declared Minnesota is in a state of "insurgency".
https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/stephen-miller-raises-the-temperature-on-minnesota-protests-this-is-clearly-an-insurgency/
That sounds like "insurrection" to me. What do you all *really* think will happen if Trump invokes the Insurrection Act? Do you really think that will make matters better?
Do not care. They are in open rebellion. Ignoring civil rights of numerous people. If you're not 100% on board with the protests, you have literally no rights in Minneapolis currently.
They have no other option at this point. Imprison Ellison, Walz, Frey. Watch video of, say, the church invasion and arrest every single person who entered to suppress rights. Track the funding of the protests and arrest every single person giving a penny to it (rebellions need to be made painful).
And go ahead and remove all Somalis as enemy combatants.
The keyboard brownshirts. Don't you realize how you sound?
This letter from Trump to the Prime Minister of Norway is either severe mental decline, or severely stupid.
“Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a “right of ownership” anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also. I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT”
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
"Public opinion, of course, cannot resolve the legal question."
The very next sentence
"But these results suggest that, contrary to what Blanche implied, the video evidence is inconclusive at best.
If majority opinion can't resolve legal question, then how can it used to to indicate that the video is "inconclusive"?
This is what's called retards not believing in the plain truth they can see, which was demonstrated as recently as last year's Joe Biden fiasco. They want to create the most random tangent to disprove the details that they can see with their own eyes. Just take a look at the debunked disinfo that's still rampant on X -
"She was just dropping off kids" Wrong.
"She was shot from the side" Wrong.
"She was smiling" Wrong insofar as some evidence against evil intent. I can smile at someone before pumping his belly full of lead.
"She just wanted to leave" Wrong as soon as the officer reached inside the vehicle.
"The wheels were turned away from him" True, meaning she was executing a 3 point turn so she can hit D, TOWARDS the officer
"He barely got clipped" Wrong.
"The officer got in front of the car" Wrong, the cellphone perspective shows him circling around the car.
Remember the cope against the Rittenhouse self defense claims? "Dur he crossed state lines, he was looking for trouble when people rushed him". It's the SAME cope. IT doesn't matter what the polling was.
Written by the TDS-addled steaming pile of lying shit Sullum, who needs to get ass-reamed with a barb-wire-wrapped baseball bat.
Also note sullum is now saying not beyond a reasonable doubt implies guilt.
His claim of 'intelligence' is far, far beyond that standard.
The video evidence is completely unambiguous as to Renee Good's criminal actions. It shows a confrontational woman clearly accelerating towards another human being at point blank range. You cannot conclude from the video that she sped up by mistake, didn't see the person or was under the influence of something.
Take out Donald Trump, ICE, and immigration, all the external factors that affect the reasoning part of the brain. Show the videos to random people in a vacuum. 99% of the viewers will say Good was (at minimum) reckless. Some may find the notion that she intended to kill the man not unreasonable. There is zero scenario in which Renee Good can be the "good guy" or an innocent victim here. ZERO.
Just imagine a husband trying to stop a wife from storming out in her car. He reaches in to stop her from driving, and his little daughter is approaching from the front. "Mommy don't go" But mommy hits D and "clips" her. Oh that's normal, right? There's some grounds in which a reasonable person could defend her on, right?
The video also absolutely answers the question of "Was it self defense". Yes it was. I would absolutely open fire on Renee Good if she came that close to hitting my parents. Especially if she blocked the road in front of my house, loudly blew whistles, and DIRECTED randos to harrass and threaten my family. You're telling me that (in some states) I have a right to shoot a guy who comes into my house uninvited without duty to retreat, but I can't shoot someone who's trying to run me over? Ridiculous. I would fear for my life if these people came anywhere near me. I didn't fear for my life during covid or mass shooting incidents. I'd be afraid the minute these crazed lunatics came anywhere near me.
"...It shows a confrontational woman clearly accelerating towards another human being at point blank range..."
And the other human being a pretty good marksman, thereby protecting potential other 'innocent' victims from the imbecility shown by this pathetic piece of shit.
The world is a better place as a result.
A better place now, indeed!
Then it should be quick and easy to conduct an independent investigation that will clear Ross and inculpate Good. If Gestapo Barbie and Todd Blecch were so confident of the truth of what they say, they'd happily let an investigation go forward.
Here's what this slimy pile of lefty shit had to say about the murder of an unarmed woman:
SRG2 12/23/23
“Then strode in St Ashli, clad in a gown of white samite and basking in celestial radiance, walking calmly and quietly through the halls of Congress as police ushered her through doors they held open for her, before being cruelly martyred for her beliefs by a Soros-backed special forces officer with a Barrett 0.50 rifle equipped with dum-dum bullets.”
Why not just load her in a gas chamber, scum-bag?
Wrong place
Welcome to winter semester here at Kent State, boys and girls. Never mind about those unidentifiable guys you see around campus, we've been assured that their guns aren't loaded.
"Tin soldiers and Trump are comin',
We're finally on our own..." [Apologies to CSN&Y]
No way you really think this is like Kent State.
Telling yourself fairytales that you are the righteous ones which gives your side the excuse to do terrible and terribly stupid things.
Yeah as I noted above, the kids that got shot at Kent State were 300 feet away. They were not obstructing or intimidating the NG. This is really over the top bullshit.
On the other hand, had Kent State happened today, most of you would have found reasons to condemn the students and justify the shooting.
Welcome to the fantasy world of SRG, TDS-addled lying pile of steaming shit! Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Welcome to the fantasy world of Daddyhill, TDS-addled lying pile of steaming shit!
This is that very rare case where Sullum makes a reasonable suggestion. The FBI should investigate the case. The videos show that Ross was in front of the car, although he was moving across the front of the car in a way that would have eventually put him beside the car's path. He shot from the front, hence the bullet went in the front window with a trajectory towards Good. His body camera shows that he was then hit as the picture whips around in various directions. He then shot twice more which is what officers are trained to do - keep firing until the threat is gone. And the other shots are considered justified as long as the first one was justified. See Plumhoff v. Rickard, 572 U.S. 765 (2014) https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/572/765/
A 60-minutes style reconstruction of the incident from videos would clearly show the events, and a calm discussion of the relevant Supreme Court case from 2014 would end the matter. Reasonable people would change their opinions.
Bullshit.
Wha? I’m agreeing and explaining why it was a good shoot, with the added fact that the later shots are legit.
Have you changed your mind?
> A witness reported that one of the agents initially told Good to drive away.
Is this backed up any of the available videos?
We'd know if there was an .... investigation.
edit: No film, just testimony from witness.
Callenson said one person — the woman who was shot a short time later — drove her vehicle perpendicular to the lanes of traffic on Portland Avenue, south of the ICE vehicles. By that point, Callenson said, the vehicle stuck in snow had been freed.
“Some of them were leaving, and they just went around her, but ICE gave her orders to leave, while at the same time, another ICE person said, ‘Get out of the car,’ and he reached for her door handle. And then there was an ICE agent in front of her vehicle. So it was difficult for her to leave, as she’d been ordered to do,” Callenson said.
https://thecirclenews.org/cover-story/eyewitness-says-ice-gave-conflicting-orders-before-shooting-woman/
In a Quinnipiac University survey conducted during the same period, 53 percent of respondents said the shooting was not justified, while 35 percent thought it was and 12 percent did not offer an opinion.
Of course, we know about the accuracy of polls. Just ask President Hillary Clinton.
Jacob Sullum is a TDS addled cuck-simp.
Looking at illegal immigrants as a percentage of the population, both Texas and Florida have much higher percentages than Minnesota or Illinois. With larger populations overall, and higher crime rates, the opportunities to capture criminal immigrants in those states is higher as well. California has a lot of illegal immigrants picking vegetables as well. Those could be scooped up easily.
Why aren't 2000 agents in camo with high powered weapons, masks and vests being deployed to Texas and Florida? Why aren't they being deployed to chicken processing plants, meatpacking plants and lettuce fields? It's because for some reason Texas and Florida don't deserve to have their illegal criminals deported, right? It's because lettuce and chicken are more important than building more housing or taking care of the elderly. Farmers tend to vote Repub because they get subsidies Republicans whenever tariffs mess up their business. It's because deploying under-trained trigger-happy masked ICE would be unpopular in Republican strongholds.
The Somali issue is a red herring. Miller would make his quotas more easily if he went to where large percentage of illegal immigrants live and work. Trump and ICE Barbie are staging political theater in hopes of provoking a response and drumming up support to send more troops to more places he wants to intimidate. Fox News likes the look of protestors in blue states. They want to spur protest and incite riots. They can even re-run old footage of 2020 cars burning or foreign riots (proven) and make it look much worse than it is easily.
The Florida and Texas LEOs are cooperating with ICE and sending their illegals to Alligator Alcatraz. No need for extra ICE.
They would still deport more illegals if they went to places where more illegals actually were.
The US has a population of 340,000,000. 320,000,000 Americans presently (20,000,000 are here illegally from the last couple Biden years and are not counted in this). So, "Most Americans" would be 160,000,001. That's a far cry from the only 1,127 people took the poll and a majority of them is only 564.
So Jacob, a sampling of .0007% is a majority of Americans to you? Very sad... where is your integrity as a journalist? It's lies like this that create the division we have in our society today. You should be ashamed, sir!
This article is factually wrong. It may be true that the average American doesn't think the shooting was legally justified, but that doesn't change the legal analysis. It can both be true that Good didn't mean to hit the officer and that the officer used "reasonable force". The facts are that Good pulled into traffic specifically to block ICE vehicles, thus impeding them in the course of their duties (a crime). They lit her up and clearly indicated that she was being detained (attempting to apprehend her). She clearly attempted to "flee", no doubt freaked out by masked men yanking on her door and screaming at her. She clearly was not paying attention in front of the vehicle (and likely also suffering tunnel vision) and she was clearly attempting to turn around and drive away (based on the tires). Unfortunately, she clipped the agent who was now on his second circle of the vehicle after filming it for investigative purposes. He wasn't parked in front of her. He likely couldn't have seen that she was turning the wheel due to his angle, and from his perspective it reasonable could have been seen as her attempting to run him over. His best course of action would have been to get the fuck out of the way, but rightly or wrongly, courts have repeatedly ruled that a vehicle is a deadly weapon and that agents of the state can shoot at a car "attempting to strike them". I am very sad that a lady made some poor choices and ended up dead as a result of adrenaline and mistakes of fact, but unfortunately that was the outcome and it is well within the "legally justified" banner.
Take a look at this moron. He's going to shoot the pad thai:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/video-shows-ice-agent-enter-200956838.html
I care so little about this that I'm mad at myself for clicking on the article. They both shoulder some of the blame. She should have stayed home and been a mother instead of a social justice warrior. That's priority #1 when you have kids. And he probably could have just stepped out of the way and not shot at her.
Atlas shrugged.
Everyone I am reading looks totally okay with ICE being given power to detain or arrest American citizens as if they may.
Although there is no rational reason for any American citizen of the USA to think that they should be detained rightly by immigration police when not on federal lands such as a federal school, a federal university, or a federal department or installation or federal lands, I do not see anyone opposed to this intrusion on state soil. They were Minnesotans led into this death trap by imposing men who completely and willfully conjured up this story that Minnesota citizens may be tormented by detaining them.
We are not apprised of the facts of the story. We do not know why the ladies were there other than that it was the other lady's idea. We are led on a leash based only on what someone made of the video and available police report. We do not know why ICE wanted to torment them in the first place nor why they were referred to as being domestic terrorists so early on.