DHS Says Recording or Following Law Enforcement 'Sure Sounds Like Obstruction of Justice'
Seven federal circuit courts have upheld the First Amendment right to record and monitor the police.
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) says recording or following federal law enforcement "sure sounds like obstruction of justice," despite federal circuit courts repeatedly ruling that such activity is core First Amendment speech.
In response to a question from Reason asking if the department considered following or recording a federal law enforcement officer to be obstruction of justice, the DHS Office of Public Affairs said in an emailed statement attributed to an unnamed spokesperson: "That sure sounds like obstruction of justice. Our brave ICE law enforcement face a more than 1150% increase in assaults against them. If you obstruct or assault our law enforcement, we will hunt you down and you will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."
It's one of the most direct public statements yet from DHS articulating a policy that treats following, recording, and revealing the identities of federal immigration officers as illegal activity. There have been months of news reports and viral showing federal immigration officers threatening, brandishing weapons, and violently detaining people for following and recording them in public.
David Bier, director of immigration studies at the Cato Institute, collected dozens of these instances in a report released earlier this month. Bier concluded that the amount of video evidence, in conjunction memos and public statements from DHS leadership, amounts to "an official, nationwide policy of intimidating and threatening people who attempt to observe and record [DHS] operations."
Civil libertarians say it's an unconstitutional policy. Although the Supreme Court has declined to address the issue, seven federal circuit courts have firmly upheld the right to record and monitor the police, as long as one doesn't physically interfere with them.
"Observing, following, and recording law enforcement are unambiguously protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution," Bier tells Reason. "They are not obstruction of justice. The right to record helps guarantee justice by ensuring accountability and an accurate record of events."
For example, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit concluded in 2017 that "First Amendment principles, controlling authority, and persuasive precedent demonstrate that a First Amendment right to record the police does exist, subject only to reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions."
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit joined the club in 2022, when it ruled that a Colorado man had presented a clear First Amendment retaliation claim against a police officer who prevented him from filming a traffic stop.
Likewise, courts have frequently ruled that the First Amendment protects the right to warn others of police activity, such as flashing one's headlights to warn of a speed trap ahead. In 2023, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit ruled that a Connecticut man's First Amendment rights were violated when police arrested him for holding a sign warning drivers of police activity ahead.
"The right to record publicly visible law enforcement activity is a core First Amendment right," says Scarlet Kim, a senior staff attorney with the ACLU's Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project. "It creates an independent record of what officers are doing, and it is no accident that some of the most high-profile cases of misconduct have involved video recordings. The burning question is why ICE officers feel the need to hide who they are and what they do from the public—masking their faces, lacking visible ID, driving unmarked vehicles, and now attacking those who document their activities."
The guiding First Amendment principle behind these court decisions was most memorably expressed in the 1987 Supreme Court ruling in Houston v. Hill, which struck down a Houston ordinance that made it unlawful to oppose or interrupt a police officer: "The freedom of individuals verbally to oppose or challenge police action without thereby risking arrest is one of the principal characteristics by which we distinguish a free nation from a police state," Supreme Court Justice William J. Brennan Jr. wrote.
On December 17, Reason asked DHS' Office of Public Affairs for comment on the Cato Institute report: "Does DHS have any response to the report and why its officers are threatening, violently detaining, and arresting U.S. citizens for protected First Amendment activity?"
The office responded on December 18 in a statement attributed to an unnamed spokesperson: "We are proud of the brave men and women of ICE who are facing a 1150% increase in assaults as cowardly politicians and activists encourage violence against them. We have said it a million times: ICE does NOT arrest or deport U.S. citizens. If a U.S. citizen is arrested, it is because they have obstructed or assaulted law enforcement. Every day the men and women of ICE put their lives on the line to protect and defend the lives of American citizens. This violence against ICE must end."
Reason sent a follow-up question roughly half an hour later: "Do you consider recording or following a federal law enforcement officer to be obstruction?" On Friday night, DHS Office replied with the aforementioned comment that this "sure sounds like obstruction of justice" and that they will prosecute people "to the fullest extent of the law."
An unprecedented number of federal prosecutions for assaulting and impeding federal immigration officers have collapsed in recent months—sometimes because grand juries declined to indict defendants for lack of probable cause, sometimes because U.S. Attorney's Offices are dropping the cases once they review the evidence, or lack of evidence.
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It is worth pointing out that a hostile person within 21 feet is considered a threat to life.
It is also worth pointing out that most cell phone cameras have sufficient zoom capability to film from beyond that distance.
It is also worth pointing out that walking near a planned parenthood baby killing factory can get you arrested, convicted, and jailed without violating the first amendment.
"a hostile person" Please!
So your basically saying that someone that hurts your fee-fees, within 21 ft, and you can use any means necessary to stop the threat to life.
YOU are a dangerous menace.
As for your walking by planned parenthood and being convicted...
There are "time, manner and place" restrictions on free speech.
There are things called "private property" and trespass laws.
There are laws about impeding people from entering places like Planned Parenthood.
Name the person convicted for just walking by...
Found the MollyG sock.
Ironic you mention, "there are laws...".
It is worth pointing out that a hostile person within 21 feet is considered a threat to life.
Is someone filming ICE a hostile person?
Most of the time.
Why else would you be recording it?
Rights are for the government, not the general public. That's why the government gets to follow people and record them wherever they go but the public can't do that to the government.
Also a couple randos attacked ICE agents so anyone who protests, follows, or records ICE is automatically a criminal. On the other hand the government never commits violence against the public so its hands are clean.
And I say this as a libertarian. One who would have been outraged - OUTRAGED - if Biden had done this but now that my guy's in office, it's all good.
And I say this as a libertarian. One who would have been outraged - OUTRAGED - if Biden had done this but now that my guy's in office, it's all good.
Biden's daddy, Obama, pursued and captured the illegals exactly the same way, but with the media's full cooperation. No purple-haired septum pierced fanatics followed Obama's ICE around, filming, screaming and attacking the agents. (D)ifferent now.
You fucking people are TDS broken.
Bullshit. Here are just a few of the protest actions against Obama's immigration roundups:
Civil Disobedience and Arrests: In July 2014, more than 100 faith leaders, including nuns and pastors, were arrested outside the White House to protest the high rate of daily deportations.
Targeting Families: Protests intensified around 2015 and 2016 in response to raids targeting undocumented families and children from Central America.
"Not One More" Campaign: Immigrant advocacy groups organized under the banner #Not1More to protest against the administration's enforcement measures.
Democratic Criticism: In 2016, Democratic presidential candidates, including Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, publicly opposed the raids, with Clinton stating the government "should not be conducting large-scale raids and roundups that sow fear and division".
Specific Locations: Protests were held at the White House, ICE offices in Phoenix, and other cities across the country.
Were the priests and nuns attacking ICE agents? Did "Not One More" follow agents around screaming and filming? Did Bernie and Hillary dox agents and publish home addresses?
No, they all protested the administration's policy.
Now it's CNN-DNC acceptable to shoot at agents.
"It's one of the most direct public statements yet from DHS articulating a policy that treats following, recording, and revealing the identities of federal immigration officers as illegal activity."
Gee, I wonder why the third condition is left out of the headline?
Character limit?
But yeah, ICE agents' identities should be secret. Just like local cops don't carry around badges or have to identify themselves, and judges that oppose Trump remain completely anonymous (despite the fact that cultists would never threaten or harass them). We need an unaccountable government to keep the government safe from the people. Because after all, people are meant to serve the government, not the other way around.
Adolph's SS didn't wear masks and their identities were widely known. They were very proud of the work they did and felt no need to hide their activity and identity from the German public.
Showing ICE agent faces means giving the murderous left an opportunity to target wives and children. Not unlike the SS.
Okay let them do it, yes it is First Amendment protected.
However, when an ICE officer or Federal law enforcement officer or their family is attacked, threatened, abused, dox'd leading to assault, then accessory charges can be filed for the criminal acts perpetrated against the law enforcement officer.
Sandwich guy should have been charged and convicted for assault.
The part about following ICE officers and them freaking out gets to me. They are using the term 'impeding.' Which I assume to be synonymous with obstructing/interfering.
But If I am following an officer from behind; I am not preventing them from going wherever it is they want to go. And if I don't leave my vehicle, I am not impeding them when they make an arrest or are handcuffing a suspect or whatever either. They just keep repeating 'quit following us or you will be arrested for impeding' in various videos. I am assuming they got some memo or training to claim everybody who disagrees with their bullshit and calls them out or simply records them is 'impeding.'
They're a bunch of jackboots that know they won't be held accountable. You see the same sort of shit in police depts across the country. Qualified immunity, DA who's buddies with the cops, judge who doesn't want to get on cops' bad sides, etc. No accountability means thugs.
But If I am following an officer from behind; I am not preventing them from going wherever it is they want to go.
What are you doing?
"Sandwich guy should have been charged and convicted for assault."
The problem was two-fold
1) They had to prove that he intended to cause actual harm.
2) The cop lied. He claimed he got mustard on his uniform but the sandwich was still wrapped. What else did he lie about? Why did he find it necessary to lie in the first place?
It was a political prosecution in an attempt to show protestor and potential protesters who's the boss. That is why they sent 20 officers to arrest the guy even though he and his lawyer offered to walk into the station.
The jury box is there to keep the government from over reach.
>DHS Says Recording or Following Law Enforcement 'Sure Sounds Like Obstruction of Justice'
Yeah?
That's what they've been saying for 30 years. But sure, its all Trump's fault.
If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear; right DHS? I mean you all get access to nealy all Americans bank records, communication, ect... but filming you all in public is too much for you asshats.
The Trump administration is fascist, of course they would say that.