DHS Says Recording or Following Law Enforcement 'Sure Sounds Like Obstruction of Justice'
Seven federal circuit courts have upheld the First Amendment right to record and monitor the police.
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) says recording or following federal law enforcement "sure sounds like obstruction of justice," despite federal circuit courts repeatedly ruling that such activity is core First Amendment speech.
In response to a question from Reason asking if the department considered following or recording a federal law enforcement officer to be obstruction of justice, the DHS Office of Public Affairs said in an emailed statement attributed to an unnamed spokesperson: "That sure sounds like obstruction of justice. Our brave ICE law enforcement face a more than 1150% increase in assaults against them. If you obstruct or assault our law enforcement, we will hunt you down and you will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."
It's one of the most direct public statements yet from DHS articulating a policy that treats following, recording, and revealing the identities of federal immigration officers as illegal activity. There have been months of news reports and viral showing federal immigration officers threatening, brandishing weapons, and violently detaining people for following and recording them in public.
David Bier, director of immigration studies at the Cato Institute, collected dozens of these instances in a report released earlier this month. Bier concluded that the amount of video evidence, in conjunction memos and public statements from DHS leadership, amounts to "an official, nationwide policy of intimidating and threatening people who attempt to observe and record [DHS] operations."
Civil libertarians say it's an unconstitutional policy. Although the Supreme Court has declined to address the issue, seven federal circuit courts have firmly upheld the right to record and monitor the police, as long as one doesn't physically interfere with them.
"Observing, following, and recording law enforcement are unambiguously protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution," Bier tells Reason. "They are not obstruction of justice. The right to record helps guarantee justice by ensuring accountability and an accurate record of events."
For example, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit concluded in 2017 that "First Amendment principles, controlling authority, and persuasive precedent demonstrate that a First Amendment right to record the police does exist, subject only to reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions."
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit joined the club in 2022, when it ruled that a Colorado man had presented a clear First Amendment retaliation claim against a police officer who prevented him from filming a traffic stop.
Likewise, courts have frequently ruled that the First Amendment protects the right to warn others of police activity, such as flashing one's headlights to warn of a speed trap ahead. In 2023, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit ruled that a Connecticut man's First Amendment rights were violated when police arrested him for holding a sign warning drivers of police activity ahead.
"The right to record publicly visible law enforcement activity is a core First Amendment right," says Scarlet Kim, a senior staff attorney with the ACLU's Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project. "It creates an independent record of what officers are doing, and it is no accident that some of the most high-profile cases of misconduct have involved video recordings. The burning question is why ICE officers feel the need to hide who they are and what they do from the public—masking their faces, lacking visible ID, driving unmarked vehicles, and now attacking those who document their activities."
The guiding First Amendment principle behind these court decisions was most memorably expressed in the 1987 Supreme Court ruling in Houston v. Hill, which struck down a Houston ordinance that made it unlawful to oppose or interrupt a police officer: "The freedom of individuals verbally to oppose or challenge police action without thereby risking arrest is one of the principal characteristics by which we distinguish a free nation from a police state," Supreme Court Justice William J. Brennan Jr. wrote.
On December 17, Reason asked DHS' Office of Public Affairs for comment on the Cato Institute report: "Does DHS have any response to the report and why its officers are threatening, violently detaining, and arresting U.S. citizens for protected First Amendment activity?"
The office responded on December 18 in a statement attributed to an unnamed spokesperson: "We are proud of the brave men and women of ICE who are facing a 1150% increase in assaults as cowardly politicians and activists encourage violence against them. We have said it a million times: ICE does NOT arrest or deport U.S. citizens. If a U.S. citizen is arrested, it is because they have obstructed or assaulted law enforcement. Every day the men and women of ICE put their lives on the line to protect and defend the lives of American citizens. This violence against ICE must end."
Reason sent a follow-up question roughly half an hour later: "Do you consider recording or following a federal law enforcement officer to be obstruction?" On Friday night, DHS Office replied with the aforementioned comment that this "sure sounds like obstruction of justice" and that they will prosecute people "to the fullest extent of the law."
An unprecedented number of federal prosecutions for assaulting and impeding federal immigration officers have collapsed in recent months—sometimes because grand juries declined to indict defendants for lack of probable cause, sometimes because U.S. Attorney's Offices are dropping the cases once they review the evidence, or lack of evidence.
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It is worth pointing out that a hostile person within 21 feet is considered a threat to life.
It is also worth pointing out that most cell phone cameras have sufficient zoom capability to film from beyond that distance.
It is also worth pointing out that walking near a planned parenthood baby killing factory can get you arrested, convicted, and jailed without violating the first amendment.
"a hostile person" Please!
So your basically saying that someone that hurts your fee-fees, within 21 ft, and you can use any means necessary to stop the threat to life.
YOU are a dangerous menace.
As for your walking by planned parenthood and being convicted...
There are "time, manner and place" restrictions on free speech.
There are things called "private property" and trespass laws.
There are laws about impeding people from entering places like Planned Parenthood.
Name the person convicted for just walking by...
Found the MollyG sock.
Ironic you mention, "there are laws...".
Walz +6
Cite?
It sounds suspiciously like an inaccurate description of the Tueller Drill. The Tueller Drill (or, more accurately, the ad-hoc research that lead to it) indicates that someone with a close quarters weapon (typically a knife) can often approach and reach someone who has a holstered firearm before that person can draw and accurately fire on the approaching person.
If one doesn't have a close quarters weapon, the "21 foot guideline" doesn't even apply. Since many "civilians" in the US carry a firearm (often legally and often with a CCW permit/license), they are a "threat to life" at hundreds of feet away since they can draw and fire before the target can draw and fire.
By your logic, no one should be allowed to observe police behavior from within the range of a firearm because the observer might have a firearm and might use it illegally. Just as you seem to think that the fact that someone might have a knife and might use it illegally justifies them being required to stay at least 21 feet away from LEO action.
In some instances there may be good reasons for police to require observers to stay 21 feet (or 18 feet, or 28 feet) away from an ongoing police action. The "21 foot" trope however is not among those.
It is worth pointing out that a hostile person within 21 feet is considered a threat to life.
Is someone filming ICE a hostile person?
Most of the time.
Why else would you be recording it?
because it interests you for what ever reason? because you think DHS agents are roided out kooks? because you have an interest in how ICE does its thing? lots of reasons..all legit...and non threatening unless you're an ICE dimwit.
Except none of that is what happening. We have almost a year of observing antifa and related anti American democrat groups harassing and violently assaulting ICE officers that were simply enforcing long standing federal law.
If anything, we’ve been far too easy on these insurrectionists.
Deflection. This is not the same as filming ICE. Duh.
When it comes down to cases, a J6er cutting up his murdered wife and stuffing her in plastic bags sees a neighbor filming this activity. Five'll gitcha ten the one in the bloody apron will figger HE's the victim and the other is a window-peeping poivoit.
Hank, I really should track down some of your family and make sure you’re put away in a secure assisted living facility that specializes in patients with severe dementia. And that also restricts internet access.
Rights are for the government, not the general public. That's why the government gets to follow people and record them wherever they go but the public can't do that to the government.
Also a couple randos attacked ICE agents so anyone who protests, follows, or records ICE is automatically a criminal. On the other hand the government never commits violence against the public so its hands are clean.
And I say this as a libertarian. One who would have been outraged - OUTRAGED - if Biden had done this but now that my guy's in office, it's all good.
And I say this as a libertarian. One who would have been outraged - OUTRAGED - if Biden had done this but now that my guy's in office, it's all good.
Biden's daddy, Obama, pursued and captured the illegals exactly the same way, but with the media's full cooperation. No purple-haired septum pierced fanatics followed Obama's ICE around, filming, screaming and attacking the agents. (D)ifferent now.
You fucking people are TDS broken.
Bullshit. Here are just a few of the protest actions against Obama's immigration roundups:
Civil Disobedience and Arrests: In July 2014, more than 100 faith leaders, including nuns and pastors, were arrested outside the White House to protest the high rate of daily deportations.
Targeting Families: Protests intensified around 2015 and 2016 in response to raids targeting undocumented families and children from Central America.
"Not One More" Campaign: Immigrant advocacy groups organized under the banner #Not1More to protest against the administration's enforcement measures.
Democratic Criticism: In 2016, Democratic presidential candidates, including Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, publicly opposed the raids, with Clinton stating the government "should not be conducting large-scale raids and roundups that sow fear and division".
Specific Locations: Protests were held at the White House, ICE offices in Phoenix, and other cities across the country.
Were the priests and nuns attacking ICE agents? Did "Not One More" follow agents around screaming and filming? Did Bernie and Hillary dox agents and publish home addresses?
No, they all protested the administration's policy.
Now it's CNN-DNC acceptable to shoot at agents.
Yeah, that’s the same as all your insurrection and terrorism all around the country.
Liar. Obama had ICE pick up illegal immigrants who had been convicted of felonies. Trump is having them kidnap people here legally who have no criminal records -- and even some US citizens.
You are not a libertarian Sarc.
Walz +5
"It's one of the most direct public statements yet from DHS articulating a policy that treats following, recording, and revealing the identities of federal immigration officers as illegal activity."
Gee, I wonder why the third condition is left out of the headline?
Character limit?
But yeah, ICE agents' identities should be secret. Just like local cops don't carry around badges or have to identify themselves, and judges that oppose Trump remain completely anonymous (despite the fact that cultists would never threaten or harass them). We need an unaccountable government to keep the government safe from the people. Because after all, people are meant to serve the government, not the other way around.
Your fellow travelers among antifa are trying to murder ICE agents and their families. As ar wall those gangbanger you let in to my country.
Walz +7
Adolph's SS didn't wear masks and their identities were widely known. They were very proud of the work they did and felt no need to hide their activity and identity from the German public.
Showing ICE agent faces means giving the murderous left an opportunity to target wives and children. Not unlike the SS.
Our public servants are public. They should have, bare minimum, visible badge numbers.
Anonymous federal agents are an anathema to a functioning democracy.
Our public servants are public. They should have, bare minimum, visible badge numbers.
This I agree with 100%.
Anonymous federal agents are an anathema to a functioning democracy.
Good thing we have a constitutional republic and not a democracy. 🙂
What is wrong with revealing the identities of people getting paid by taxpayers? There is a database online containing the name and salary of every law enforcement office in New York State.
Okay let them do it, yes it is First Amendment protected.
However, when an ICE officer or Federal law enforcement officer or their family is attacked, threatened, abused, dox'd leading to assault, then accessory charges can be filed for the criminal acts perpetrated against the law enforcement officer.
Sandwich guy should have been charged and convicted for assault.
The part about following ICE officers and them freaking out gets to me. They are using the term 'impeding.' Which I assume to be synonymous with obstructing/interfering.
But If I am following an officer from behind; I am not preventing them from going wherever it is they want to go. And if I don't leave my vehicle, I am not impeding them when they make an arrest or are handcuffing a suspect or whatever either. They just keep repeating 'quit following us or you will be arrested for impeding' in various videos. I am assuming they got some memo or training to claim everybody who disagrees with their bullshit and calls them out or simply records them is 'impeding.'
They're a bunch of jackboots that know they won't be held accountable. You see the same sort of shit in police depts across the country. Qualified immunity, DA who's buddies with the cops, judge who doesn't want to get on cops' bad sides, etc. No accountability means thugs.
But If I am following an officer from behind; I am not preventing them from going wherever it is they want to go.
What are you doing?
Sounds like stalking to me
Here let me translate to words you might understand:
If the ICE agents have done nothing wrong, they have nothing to fear from the public recording them.
I have every right to be on any public street I wish for whatever reason I wish or no reason at all. And since I have a first amendment right to record officers in public, I don't need a justification.
Why do you think masked agents should be allowed to terrorize entire neighborhoods with zero consequences? They can f right off back to whatever hillbilly bullshit they came from.
‘The public’ (antifa terrorists) make recordings and edit them to create a false context that ICE officers ARE doing something wrong when they were not. As a far left traitor yourself, you probably do that.
ICE isn’t the problem. You are.
Correct. There is no expectation of privacy in a public place.
"Sandwich guy should have been charged and convicted for assault."
The problem was two-fold
1) They had to prove that he intended to cause actual harm.
2) The cop lied. He claimed he got mustard on his uniform but the sandwich was still wrapped. What else did he lie about? Why did he find it necessary to lie in the first place?
It was a political prosecution in an attempt to show protestor and potential protesters who's the boss. That is why they sent 20 officers to arrest the guy even though he and his lawyer offered to walk into the station.
The jury box is there to keep the government from over reach.
Everything you said is bullshit. He intended to throw the sandwich at the ICE officer, and he proceeded to do so. That’s it. That’s all it takes.
If you don’t believe that, why don you go buy a Subway foot long and go throw at a local cop, and then explain to them your rationale about how it’s totally legal to do so. Then get back to us with your findings.
Shouldn’t be a problem, right?
>DHS Says Recording or Following Law Enforcement 'Sure Sounds Like Obstruction of Justice'
Yeah?
That's what they've been saying for 30 years. But sure, its all Trump's fault.
If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear; right DHS? I mean you all get access to nealy all Americans bank records, communication, ect... but filming you all in public is too much for you asshats.
Being recorded didn't end that well for the Hero of Minneapolis, Derek Chauvin. If Reggie Dyer, the Hero of Amritsar, had been recorded and gotten into trouble, the redcoats would no doubt've killed another 379 and wounded 1100 for good measure. As it unfolded, Parliament withheld his medal. Later on one of the survivors taught Reggie how for every initiation of force there is unequal yet apposite reprisal force. His Majesty's gubmint DID ban George Orwell's Burmese Days book for reminiscing on the massacre.
The Trump administration is fascist, of course they would say that.
A Christian National Socialist propaganda movie just made it past the Youtube censors, subtitles and all: 1933Hitlerjugend Quex movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuuwRmvT8l0
Look familiar?
It’s time we put you in restraints. You shouldn’t have internet access.
That's about as clear as you can get to establish standing for reasonable fear of prosecution and a chilling effect, no?
Sounds to me like ICE is endangering the lives of its own agents just like the Prohibition Bureau did 93 years ago. Voters picked the politicians whut had adopted the Liberal Party's planks calling for turdcanning the Volstead act AND 18th Amendment into the same dustbin of history. Similar thing happened in 2016, when Obama's Wallace Dems were cool with following the Republican example of having narcs shoot hippies and naygurs over weed. But 4 million voted Libertarian and covered the gap in 13 states casting 127 electoral votes. Remember? Back whin we had a LP?
They shoot dogs, don't they?
The people following, recording, and doxing ICE agents are mostly peaceful.
Vernon: That's not what doxxing means. Simply showing a masked agent or their vehicle is not doxxing. And the agents go to great lengths to hide and obscure their identity so they aren't doxxed. The one exception is the famous midget Gregory Bovino. He leads from below and by example. Last I heard, nothing's happened to him from the public and he is likely the most famous SS agent of them all. So maybe the fear of the public is overblown?
Regardless, I am not so sure a little fear from the public is a bad thing. All law enforcement should be mindful of how they act when dealing with the public. Act like an ass, get treated like one. Seems fair to me.
This is why most law enforcement agents now wear body cams.
When Judge Hannah Dugan was convicted of obstructing law enforcement while being acquitted of the charge of attempting help someone escape from DHS/DOJ, it announced a glaring constitutional fracture in American government.
It is true that absolutely anything anyone does can be construed as obstructing law enforcement. That creates federal supremacy over all state law. It is a claim that implodes the entire American model of Federalism and all constitutional law.
It must be struct down by the SCOTUS.
You're an idiot.