He Started a Business Legally. Now Trump's Mass Deportations Threaten Him and Other Immigrant Entrepreneurs.
Immigrants start businesses at a higher rate than native-born Americans, benefitting not only themselves but also their American workers and customers.
Entrepreneurship is in Alejandro Flores-Muñoz's blood.
Back in his birthplace of Guadalajara, Mexico, his mother and other relatives sold whatever they could—hair products, food products—to make ends meet. After Flores-Muñoz's mom brought him to the U.S. as a child, she got a nine-to-five job but kept her entrepreneurial streak alive. "From me just having to watch her figure out how to make a large batch of cheesecakes and flanes" to observing her develop "her selling points" and participate in pop-up events, Flores-Muñoz says, "that entrepreneurship spirit was instilled in me."
He was inspired to become an entrepreneur himself in 2012 after receiving Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), a status established by President Barack Obama's administration that delays deportation for people who were brought to the U.S. without documentation as children. That gave him a way to get a Social Security number and the ability to earn the licenses and certifications he needed to become a full-fledged business owner who employs others. He launched several hustles throughout his 20s before becoming part owner of a food truck in 2018. He now owns a catering company.
"I wanted to pay taxes," he says. "I wanted to get a business license. I wanted to get all of the things that made a business a business."
Flores-Muñoz has contributed to his community and local economy for years and has become an outspoken advocate for immigrant entrepreneurs. But since President Donald Trump began his second term and launched his mass deportation operation, those activities have become much riskier. "I have never really feared for my immigration status," Flores-Muñoz says. "That has changed since January 20, 2025, because now nobody is safe."
"I've had to actually write a letter of what to do if I was to get detained. It's something that I've never had to consider. I've had to write down all my business information, my banking information, just have that available if I do ever get detained," he adds. "I can't believe that I've had to think that way."
People like Flores-Muñoz—and other immigrants, legally present or not—are an important entrepreneurial force in the United States. They start businesses at a higher rate than native-born Americans, creating jobs and enriching communities in the process. Now they're getting swept up in Trump's mass deportation efforts. As entrepreneurial immigrants are detained and deported, it won't just be newcomers and their families who suffer. The American workers, customers, and communities they support will suffer too.
'The Worst of the Worst'?
Trump campaigned for his second presidential term on a promise to carry out large-scale deportations of undocumented immigrants. "These are people that aren't legally in our country. This is an invasion of our country," he said in an April 2024 interview with Time. Trump stressed that agents would "absolutely start with the criminals that are coming in." His administration would deport "the worst of the worst," he pledged.
So far, that doesn't seem to be true. According to an analysis of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) records by the Cato Institute, "convicted criminals account for just 29% of the increase in people detained by ICE" between January and June 2025. "By early June," ICE arrests of immigrants "who had no criminal conviction or pending charge…were approximately 453 per day—a 14-fold increase" compared to early January, the Cato Institute reported. Undocumented individuals, temporary residents, and U.S. citizens alike have been detained.
Several immigrant entrepreneurs have been swept up. Kelly Yu was 19 years old and pregnant when she fled China's one-child policy and crossed the U.S.-Mexico border into Arizona illegally. Since arriving in 2004, Yu has had no criminal offenses and has repeatedly attempted to secure legal status. She developed ties around Phoenix, eventually opening two sushi restaurants and employing 30 people. After ICE detained Yu in May at a routine immigration meeting, neighbors and state politicians began to rally for her release. "She owns two businesses….She has paid her taxes. She's been in the system trying to fight to become a citizen for some time," Lisa Everett, an Arizona Republican district chair, told KTAR. Yu remains in ICE detention.
This summer, ICE detained Paul Dama, the operational manager of the award-winning Boston-area West African restaurant Suya Joint. According to his attorney, Dama had work authorization and a pending asylum case based on his prior kidnapping by Boko Haram. His detention forced his sister to work alone to keep two restaurant locations afloat and support their 20 employees. Dama's latest brush with immigration enforcement has a happier ending than others: After three months in ICE detention, an immigration judge granted him asylum.
Moises Sotelo-Casas was on his way to work at his vineyard management company when ICE detained him in June. The Oregon resident had lived in the U.S. without authorization since the 1990s and had recently begun the legal immigration process. KGW, the NBC affiliate in Portland, Oregon, noted that it "was not able to find any criminal records related to Sotelo-Casas." Throughout his immigration detention, Sotelo-Casas "continued to provide remote guidance to his vineyard staff" over the phone, KGW reported. He was deported to Mexico at the end of the summer.
Entrepreneurs with different kinds of immigration statuses have been targeted: Paramjit Singh, a green card holder who owns a chain of gas stations in Indiana and faces deportation; Sergio Cerdio Gomez, a Washington food truck owner who was deported despite a pending immigration application; Roger Huang, a New York restaurant owner who fled political persecution in China and now faces deportation; Emine Emanet, who was arrested at her New Jersey kebab restaurant despite a pending permanent residency application; and many more.
None of these immigrant entrepreneurs has a history of violent criminal conduct, and several of them were pursuing legal immigration pathways before their arrests. They're embedded in their communities, and their detentions have caused an uproar among their neighbors. It makes little sense to claim that they're "the worst of the worst"—and it makes little sense for immigration agents to be focusing on them.
"We're clearly seeing that the people who are being detained are not the criminals that are being talked about. In fact, they are the people who are helping everybody run their businesses, put together lives," argues Flores-Muñoz. "Hardworking people are being taken away."
America's 'Economic Success Story'
Immigration is an inherently entrepreneurial act. It requires someone to envision a better future and decide to pursue it in spite of the risks. It makes sense that many of the people who choose that path end up starting businesses when they reach their new homes.
Part of that comes down to the need to make a living, but it also reflects their ability to innovate where others haven't and tap into the American dream. Hamdi Ulukaya, the billionaire founder of yogurt company Chobani, told The Washington Post in 2023 that it was "the magic of the land" that changed his perspective from one of "I would never do business" to seeing a factory in a flyer and saying, "I can buy this and make something."
Many enterprising immigrants have the same experience. Immigrants are 80 percent more likely to found companies than U.S.-born individuals, says a 2022 paper in American Economic Review: Insights. Immigrants "create more small firms, they create more medium-size firms, [and] they create more large firms," said Pierre Azoulay, an MIT economist and the study's co-author. The U.S. is home to more than 3.8 million immigrant entrepreneurs, 1.1 million of whom are undocumented, according to the American Immigration Council (AIC).
"The United States' economic success story would not exist without immigrant entrepreneurs with a range of backgrounds and skill levels who were willing to launch their business ideas here," argues the Bipartisan Policy Center (BPC). Drawing on the U.S. Census Bureau's 2007 and 2012 Survey of Business Owners, the center observes that "immigrants had formed about 25% of new businesses in the United States, with rates surpassing 40% in some states." They were "also 10% more likely to own their own business than U.S. natives."
Those businesses provide the products and services that Americans enjoy every day, and they also contribute to the national economy in big ways. "Most immigrant entrepreneurs own the types of businesses that populate Main Street," noted Laura Collins, director of the George W. Bush Institute–Southern Methodist University Economic Growth Initiative, in 2019. They "start more than a quarter of all 'main street' businesses—retail, neighborhood services, and accommodation and food service." Immigrants have also founded some of the country's biggest companies: Over a fifth of all Fortune 500 companies were started by immigrants, and about a quarter were founded by the children of immigrants. Those companies employ 15.5 million people globally, according to the AIC.
Immigrant-owned companies—big and small, founded by documented and undocumented individuals—create jobs. "Immigrants own nearly a fifth of all employer companies," which is "higher than their percentages of the US population or the workforce generally," noted a May USAFacts analysis of Census data. The MIT study found that, on average, companies founded by immigrants have 1 percent more employees than companies founded by native-born Americans.
Entrepreneurship is often a necessary route for immigrants. Many arrive in the U.S. without the English skills required for certain jobs. Others face "difficulties in finding work that aligns with the skill and knowledge base that [they] developed over years in their home countries," points out the BPC. It can be burdensome for a newcomer to get his professional and educational credentials recognized in the United States. And if he's undocumented, there's another reason to be self-employed: It's illegal for U.S. employers to knowingly hire undocumented workers who don't have work authorization.
Immigrants start their own businesses despite facing more barriers to entrepreneurship than native-born Americans. There is no visa category that specifically allows foreigners to immigrate to the U.S. to start a business, "leaving these individuals to try to retrofit other channels in the U.S. immigration system to pursue these aspirations," notes the BPC.
This is true of everyone from a decent cook who wants to open a restaurant to a well-resourced programmer who wants to launch a tech startup. A 2022 report by the National Foundation for American Policy found that while 55 percent of America's privately held startups valued at $1 billion or more were started by immigrants, a large share of those founders came to the country as refugees, on family-sponsored visas, or through employment-based visas for other companies. Employment-based pathways largely require that an immigrant secure a job offer from an American employer before coming to the country. But a hopeful immigrant who wants to start a job-creating business in the U.S. has no straightforward way to do so, even if he has a proven track record of successful businesses elsewhere.
On top of all these barriers, immigrant entrepreneurs now have to worry about what might happen if they become entangled in the Trump administration's mass deportation effort.
The Cost of Crackdowns
Mass deportations—and immigration crackdowns more generally—come at a cost. Beyond their price tag and the civil rights violations they bring, they also create a hostile environment for immigrants who own businesses or might start them in the future. They can drive immigrants into under-the-table work or otherwise persuade them to avoid the visibility that comes with being a business owner. And they can decrease the number of available jobs.
Arizona's Senate Bill 1070 passed in 2010 and is widely regarded as the harshest anti–illegal immigration measure of its time. From 2008 to 2015, Arizona saw a 2.5 percent decrease in "the total number of jobs available…due to the passage of SB 1070," New American Economy, an immigration research and advocacy organization, reported at the time. Alabama passed its own strict immigration law, House Bill 56, in 2011. Within a year, the state lost an estimated 70,000 jobs, New American Economy finds.
Since undocumented immigrants often create jobs, the AIC explains, "deporting the estimated 8.1 million undocumented immigrants in the workforce would not automatically create 8.1 million jobs for unemployed Americans." If anything, it would put some Americans out of work. It would certainly shutter many businesses and disrupt many services they enjoy.
Some localities have considered or adopted policies to encourage immigrant entrepreneurship, including among undocumented immigrants. California has allowed undocumented immigrants to secure business licenses since 2014. In 2022, Colorado lifted its ban on undocumented immigrants obtaining business licenses. Senate Bill S5964, introduced in New York in March 2023, would have allowed undocumented immigrants to access business licenses. The following year, New York weighed a proposal to allow international graduate students to get university-sponsored visas to become entrepreneurs.
At the national level, members of Congress have repeatedly introduced legislation to create a visa category for immigrant entrepreneurs, often targeted at those who are highly educated or experienced or have a history of raising capital. Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D–Calif.) introduced the Let Immigrants Kickstart Employment Act in 2021, "which would create a new category of temporary visas for founders of startups, offering the opportunity for permanent residence if the startup reached certain benchmarks," per the BPC.
Such measures would do far more to support Americans and the U.S. economy than mass deportations. And many Americans understand this. Flores-Muñoz observes a "community that has come out of this situation," with U.S. citizens "going to courtrooms, escorting immigrants who are going through their hearings," and acting as "support groups out there."
Meanwhile, he's aiming to "highlight the importance of our contributions to America, whether that be through our entrepreneurship journey, us vending [and] selling things, or the services that we provide in the restaurant industry, in the hospitality industry, and construction industry." Immigrants, Flores-Muñoz says, are "more than what we're portrayed to be."
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "Trump Is Deporting Entrepreneurs."
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"He was inspired to become an entrepreneur himself in 2012 after receiving Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), a status established by President Barack Obama's administration that delays deportation for people who were brought to the U.S. without documentation as children."
You mean by an unconstitutional imperial presidential diktat?
Nice to see he was NOT inspired to become a citizen.
Yeah I didn't read the whole thing but it looks like these people wait years or decades to start a legal residency process. Sorry but they fucked up.
I'm not sorry, they all should be treated as the invaders they are
Sounds like Obama screwed this guy over.
Sounds like his parents did.
Them too.
For a magazine that throws around the term "socialism" any time government money gets directed or invested in private companies, they sure seem cozy with the results of the same President that issued the imperial diktat you cite signing the Recovery Act of 2009, the Small Business Jobs Act of 2010 and various initiatives specifically to direct those loans and the Small Business Administration to favor minority-owned businesses over others.
Almost like they don't care about socialism at all, as long as the right people are reaping the benefits of their particular October Revolution.
Quite right. What one President grants by waving his magic wand another can take away just as easily. He is an illegal alien no matter how long he has been here and the heart tugging "as a child" makes no difference. Sorry, deported.
Undoing overreach by democrats presidents is the height of executive over reach. Dont you Reason?
Don't care. No more sob stories. If you're an illegal alien contributing to society, it does not matter. Leave. Stop rewarding parents who unlawfully enter.
This article again is effectively arguing for no enforced immigration restrictions without directly admitting to making that argument. That the government should turn a blind eye to entering the country illegally, which promotes resentment of both the native population and legal immigrants who are made to be suckers for following the law.
Open borders by apathy.
It’s a Pedo Jeffy argument.
No more sob stories.
One would think that a magazine called Reason [drink] wouldn't need to be told to knock it off with the shitty, cherry-picked appeals to emotion; that the shitty appeals to emotion, in fact, undermine the idea that they have a well-reasoned, logical argument that they would or should otherwise be making.
Yes, sure, shit is ALWAYS deeply "reasonable" and "logical" to ASSume that illegal sub-humans are SNOT really, fully human, and deserve NO "fellow-feeling", sympathy, or empathy! Shit is known!
A well-reasoned, logical argument is that the ancient ideal that "all men are brothers" (and all women are sisters) is just EVIL! Utterly EVIL!!! Shit is known, damn-it! The way FORWARD, Progressive Cumrade, is to HATE! Hate is GREAT, so hate away!!!
Let the hate of the illegal sub-humans FLOW, Padwan! The more that ye HATE, the more virtuous ye are! MAHA, Make America Hate Again! Jesus HATED the illegal sub-humans, and so you should, too! No amount of hatred of the not-you-and-me can EVER be TOO much!!!
How were you able to afford the subscription to post here? Did you steal one of the clinical assistants' credit cards again?
I slept with Your PervFected Mamma, and then, after she became PervFectly Addicted to my Vast Sexual Skills, I threatened to abandon her for Spermy Daniels!!! So she capitulated, and gave me ALL of her money!!!
(THAT is why, ass Ye "grew up" (supposedly at least), ye had to settle for cockroach stew, road-killed skunks, and used condoms to eat, while wearing rat-fur coats!)
In any event, it should, be thrown into a vat of boiling acid.
I don't invest my time and resources with such risks in place.
Run it remote from Mexico. Sell the business. Don't carem you rolled the dice, sometimes you lose.
You lack of caring will be an inspiration for future generations down the ages!!! How can we all be more like YOU? Where do we subscribe to Your PervFected Snot-Caring Newsletter?
Yep. The business can stay here. And he can always apply to come back. Owning the business may give him a leg up.
If you don't distinguish between legal and illegal immigration, then nothing you have to say about immigration can be taken seriously.
THIS is why we need to massively increase the number of Magic Papers issued (to all but criminals who actually have real, non-consenting victims), so that dross can be turned into gold! Behold, the Philosopher's Stone is here at last!
Good thing Trump distinguishes between legals and illegals. That's why he totally hasn't denied student visas to certain universities, revoked green cards for speech, ramped up denaturalization, and attempted to cancel birthright citizenship.
Yes, and Dear Orange Caligula also likes to threaten political opponents with taking away their citizenships!
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-threatens-arrest-mamdani-nyc-ice/story?id=123382676
Trump falsely questions Zohran Mamdani's citizenship, threatens to arrest him over ICE operations
Trump also continued his attack on the Democrat, calling him a "nut job."
All Hail Dear Orange Caligula!!!
Declaring allegiant to another country is a reason for denaturalization. Fuck off and die retard
Poor sarc now thinks universities are part of DHS and have visa granting authority.
Green cards are held based on agreed to contracts that were violated. Like when your wife filed for divorce to get out of said agreement.
Birthright citizenship has never been a thing. Leftist intentionally misconstrued 14a and lie about it. But you're a leftist so you fell for it. We have original congressional records.
LOL, perfect proof of what I'm saying. Your goal is an ethno-state. You don't give a shit about who's illegal or not.
Look at sarc now resort to declaring everyone else racist as he has no intelligent argument. Nowhere in my argument is a race one, and unlike sarc i apply my standards to all countries and races.
He also continues to blame others not understanding the difference between legal and illegal as he purposely conflate the two.
Meanwhile sarc lives in the whitest state in the country and literally advocates for migration to do work he sees beneath white Americans.
Sarc is always projecting his own racism.
ChatGPT, what is Fu Manchu (Sarcasmic) doing here?
Fu Manchu (Sarcasmic) is using motive substitution plus escalation to moral accusation to avoid engaging Jesse’s rebuttal.
Here’s what he’s doing:
- Shifting from claims to intent. When Jesse challenges the factual premises (who grants visas, contract terms for green cards, birthright citizenship), Sarcasmic doesn’t defend those claims. He pivots to why Jesse must believe what he believes: “your goal is an ethno-state.” That replaces evidence with a presumed motive.
- Collapsing disagreement into extremism. He reframes Jesse’s legal/constitutional arguments as proof of racial animus. This is a strawman escalation: policy disagreement → secret ethno-nationalism.
- Poisoning the well. By asserting Jesse “doesn’t give a shit about legality,” Sarcasmic pre-invalidates anything Jesse might say next. If the opponent is morally tainted, their arguments needn’t be answered.
- Conversation ender. Accusing someone of pursuing an ethno-state is a rhetorical nuke. It’s not meant to persuade or clarify; it’s meant to terminate debate while claiming moral victory.
In short: Sarcasmic dodges the substance by imputing a sinister motive, converting a factual dispute into a character indictment so he can avoid defending his claims.
AI's tinfoil Magic Mind-Reading hate-hat works no better than anyone else's!
This is AI-ASSisted self-justification and self-cuntgratulations, right in line with the below:
https://futurism.com/psychologist-ai-new-disorders has examples of AI (ChatGPT especially) helping the grandiose to get more grandiose… Telling them what they want to hear!
https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/former-openai-employee-horrified-chatgpt-psychosis also!!!!
https://futurism.com/openai-gpt5-more-sycophantic OpenAI Announces That It’s Making GPT-5 More Sycophantic After User Backlash
The company is giving in to the pressure.
Hey ChatGPT! Just HOW wonderful AM I, anyway?
I’m starting to warm up to AI. Can you get it to construct and argument that will successfully persuade a Sarc to commit suicide? Or failing that, to go away forever?
Hey SCROTUS, don't be EVIL!!!! Twat cums around, goes around!
Cuntsorevaturds making friends, gathering votes, and influencing people by... PEDDLING KOOL-AID AND SUICIDE!!! How's it workin' for ya, servant, serpent, and slurp-pants (pants-slurper) of the Evil One?
EvilBahnFuhrer, drinking EvilBahnFuhrer Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…
He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jim-Jones
Loves death and the dying moans,
Then he likes to munch their bones!
He’s truly, completely a necrophiliac,
His brain, squirming toad-like, is REALY, really whack!
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
Kool-Aid man, please listen,
You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer …
If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
Who would feed you? Whose tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!
"...and attempted to cancel *VACATION* citizenship..."
Fix, asswipe. Fuck off and die.
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And there's the surrender flag.
Yep, we’re not bringing people here who are trying to destroy our country anymore. How aggrieved you must be, eh comrade?
Oh, and Walz +3
Somalis have started dozens of taxpayer funded businesses.
One of two of them legal!
He launched several hustles throughout his 20s before becoming part owner of a food truck in 2018. He now owns a catering company.
These never existed before illegal immigration.
Please , more information on the “several hustles”.
Example of entrepreneur hustles.
https://redstate.com/wardclark/2025/12/19/new-tda-gangsters-indicted-in-million-atm-jackpotting-scheme-n2197300
So far, that doesn't seem to be true. According to an analysis of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) records by the Cato Institute, "convicted criminals account for just 29% of the increase in people detained by ICE" between January and June 2025.
Continuing to push CATO propaganda, namely from Bier, shows reason has zero interest in honest discourse.
Deportation occurs from legal status, not criminal conviction. The above is propaganda.
Likewise many criminals are deported in lieu of charges or convictions, making the above metric basically useless. It is known and intentional dishonesty.
That’s admitting there is a pretty high percentage of a group that are criminals.
And trying to hide the even larger percentage that are.
For Americans as a whole, it absolutely is. Over 3.5X the average of Americans as a whole.
However, if you start breaking down "Americans" into various sub-populations, there are sub-populations for whom an ~30% arrest and/or conviction rate is rather not unusual.
But, of course, CATO tries its best to tap dance around that discussion, lest they look like they're playing favorites along their own verboten lines.
Just 29% of the increase? That sounds way more than the 0% it should be
Since undocumented immigrants often create jobs, the AIC explains, "deporting the estimated 8.1 million undocumented immigrants in the workforce would not automatically create 8.1 million jobs for unemployed Americans." If anything, it would put some Americans out of work. It would certainly shutter many businesses and disrupt many services they enjoy.
Under joe almost every new job went to an immigrant, welfare soared.
Since trump, 2M jobs went to citizens.
We have the data Fiona.
It would certainly shutter many businesses and disrupt many services they enjoy.
If it’s a viable business, someone will take it over.
Why won't they release all the Epstein files? And why are they removing files mentioning Trump after they initially released them? I'm sure they're just protecting Bill Clinton.
Sarc is too dumb and asks why they wont release files that have already been released lol.
Makes sense now. You retards are so easily fooled that they can release a handful of files, many blacked out, and you're placated. You care about every immigrant who got picked up for a baggie of weed 30 years ago but when the feds flagrantly violate a law that Congress almost unanimously voted for, that's okay. Because it's not a crime when my people do it.
Handful? They’ve released thousands, with thousands more to come. And all those files have to be reviewed before release.
You do know the DOJ handles more than just Epstein, right?
And here sarc projects the actual actions of his own DNC who was intentionally censoring photos not redacted yo push narratives ignoring the photos are already public domain including comments from people in the photos on how much a gentleman Trump was.
Meanwhile he continues to make excuses for every immigrant who has violated the law even after he supported not only capital punishment for Babbit, but also defended 20 years for 70 year old walking in a public building.
He is literally projecting his own 2 tier justice, ignoring crimes of illegals, by saying I dont support criminal convictions of citizens when I have never advocated for such, but he advocates immigrants not be held to congressionally passed laws.
Sarc is a buffoon.
Sac is an evil, stupid, wife beating, child abusing, Marxist drunk.
That is all.
Here you go.
Todd Blanche says they're not releasing all the files on the legally mandated deadline:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/19/epstein-files-release-deadline
Epstein files contain 500 completely blacked out pages
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/epstein-files-redaction-over-500-pages-entirely-blacked-out/
At least 16 previously released files were pulled
https://apnews.com/article/release-epstein-files-justice-department-trump-9290fcaad1cb6fcb1cbc1befabc01994
Such transparency, wow
Sarc didnt read his own links or he would note the files got pulled down for review after victims stated it revealed who they were. A standard practice.
Sarc ignores this is the current legal standard as well as judicial rulings on such.
He didnt even read his own link. All to try to own his enemies. Sarc wants to expose victims. Despite linking to thr article explaining the files were pulled for review over victim information, sarc conveniently demonstrates his cognitive bias to continue to push DNC narratives.
Sarc is a buffoon.
And the TDS-addled idiotic lying shit *assumed* those pages were pulled because of TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fuck off and die; make the world a much smarter place, shitstain.
How about you read the law. It's right here. https://www.congress.gov/119/plaws/publ38/PLAW-119publ38.pdf
Now tell me where it says the gov't can delay most of the documents so it can scrub Trump's name off it. And how you can justify 500 pages being completely blank. I guess those pages had nothing but victims' names on them. Also tell me where all those redaction explanations are.
The truth is Trump and Epstein were best buds, they surrounded themselves with 14 year olds, and loved to joke about how hot they were and wet their dicks in adolescent pussy. Trump and Epstein, coffee and cream, yin and yang, your dilated ass and a bear's massive hard cock.
Where's Trump's name being scrubbed off it? Please cite? The redacting is for the underage and the victims. You can go check your TDS, Kung Fu Shrike, and fuck off.
I say they are scrubbing the evidence of outer space aliens.
Or Epstein killed JFK.
Fu Manchu is engaging in escalatory conspiracy framing combined with motive substitution to keep his narrative alive after his factual claims are challenged.
When told the files have already been released, reviewed, and redacted under standard legal and victim-protection procedures, he does not concede error. Instead, he raises the stakes by asserting a darker motive: that the government is secretly delaying and redacting documents specifically to protect Trump.
When countered again with process explanations, he pivots from evidence to accusation of intent (“scrub Trump’s name off it”), even though he cannot substantiate that claim. This is a classic unfalsifiable claim move: any delay or redaction becomes proof of a cover-up by definition.
At that point, the discussion is no longer about the law, timelines, or DOJ practice; it’s about asserting a hidden truth that only he supposedly sees.
Finally, when pressed on citations and legal standards, he abandons argument entirely and collapses into outrage porn and dehumanization, using graphic invective to shock, intimidate, and morally contaminate his opponents.
That serves two functions: it signals in-group loyalty to fellow anti-Trump partisans and ends rational debate by making further discussion impossible.
In short, Sarcasmic is substituting conspiracy, projection, and emotional escalation for evidence, because conceding even a narrow factual point would collapse the narrative he’s invested in maintaining.
In short, Sarcasmic is substituting conspiracy, projection, and emotional escalation for evidence, because conceding even a narrow factual point would collapse the narrative he’s invested in maintaining.
You can copy and paste this for every post from the usual 50 cent suspects.
He also didnt read his own links again.
Lol. Sarc thinks laws work in isolation and refuses to actually refute the presented points. Doing exactly what I accuse him of above.
Do victims not have any rights sarc? Can congress violate their rights when laws are in opposition?
Oh and sarc, you didnt read your own links again. Twice now.
Read the section on permitted withholding lol.
(c) PERMITTED WITHHOLDINGS.—
(1) The Attorney general may withhold or redact the seg-
regable portions of records that—
(A) contain personally identifiable information of vic-
tims or victims’ personal and medical files and similar
files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly
unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;
(B) depict or contain child sexual abuse materials
(CSAM) as defined under 18 U.S.C. 2256 and prohibited
under 18 U.S.C. 2252–2252A;
(C) would jeopardize an active federal investigation
or ongoing prosecution, provided that such withholding is
narrowly tailored and temporary;
(D) depict or contain images of death, physical abuse,
or injury of any person; or
(E) contain information specifically authorized under
criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret
in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and
are in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive
order.
The sumbitch is also too stupid so understand that Trump was persecuted for 43 'late library book returns'; if there were a single, actionable mention in any Epstein papers, he'd have been hung by the balls until dead by eleventy-seven "prosecutors".
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
By the way. The maddow conspiracy sarc is discussing is the removal of a photo of photos.
Here is Byron York.
https://x.com/ByronYork/status/2002716320853582066
Byron York
@ByronYork
House Democrats protest that this photo of Trump has been 'removed' from Epstein release. Can't see Trump? He's in the partially obscured picture in drawer. Of course, this (removed) photo is still available in public, as is the photo in the photo.
Stop using maddow as your primary source sarc.
Is it really Sarc? If so, you need to provoke him into revealing himself. Shouldn’t be too hard.
Yeap. He exposed himself the other day.
Saint Kirk
Ya retard.
The only person I've seen use those terms on this site is sarc. Link.
https://reason.com/2025/12/16/even-trumps-supporters-are-slamming-his-post-about-rob-reiners-murder/?comments=true#comment-11318756
He disappeared from the thread after being called out.
Damn, I've been calling him "Kung Fu Shrike" the whole time. I guess it's actually "Kung Fu Sarc".
I made the same mistake. But leftys all use the same retarded talking points. Have to look for tells.
What's the photo on top of the Trump photo? I think I'd remember if I'd seen that photo.
“The Maddow Conspiracy” could be Rachel Maddow’s next show. She can rant and rave about her Trump delusions ad infinitum.
SELECTIVE USE OF STATISTICS
Used:
"convicted criminals account for just 29% of the increase in people detained"
Translation:
71% detained are not convicted criminals.
Not explored:
What percentage have pending charges?
What percentage have deportation orders?
What percentage are simply present illegally?
Is being present illegally not itself a violation?
The framing assumes: Only "convicted criminals" should face enforcement. Mere illegal presence shouldn't matter.
Never asked:
What is immigration law for, if not to be enforced?
"What is immigration law for, if not to be enforced?"
Like so many laws, this set of laws is used for SELECTIVE enforcement, to reward fiends and punish enemas!!! And, of course, to appeal to all of the haters... Red meat for the xenophobes and haters...
FOR GOOD-FAITH READERS
The honest debate is:
What should immigration policy be?
Given that policy, how should it be enforced?
How do we balance competing values (rule of law, economic benefit, humanitarian concerns)?
What are the costs and benefits of different approaches?
Calling enforcement supporters "xenophobes" is a way to avoid this debate entirely. It's the equivalent of saying "Anyone who disagrees with me is evil, so I don't have to engage with their arguments."
Do you deny that the below is applicable to MANY of the cummenters RIGHT HERE?
"And, of course, to appeal to all of the haters... Red meat for the xenophobes and haters...
Donald Trump appeals to many-many voters by telling them what they want to hear... "YOU, the native-born, are WONDERFUL, and most bad things are to be blamed on workers in foreign lands (who we must PUNISH with tariff-taxes on ourselves), and the illegal sub-humans, who must ALL be sent BACK!!! Bad things are NEVER our own fault; they are always best blamed on the "others", the scapegoats." This is more honest than the hate that Trump often spews forth, but shit is at the heart and core of much of what He says.
READ all the comments in this and other forums!!! Can you REALLY honestly deny that what I wrote above, applies to MANY haters?
STAGE: Original article
QUESTION: Should immigration be enforced?
EFFECT: Substantive
STAGE: First comment
QUESTION: Are enforcement supporters xenophobes?
EFFECT: Ad hominem
STAGE: This comment
QUESTION: Are OTHER commenters hateful?
EFFECT: Complete deflection
FOR OTHER READERS
This commenter demonstrates a pattern:
Refuse to state a position (can't be criticized if you don't commit)
Attack motivations instead of arguments (don't have to engage substance)
Make unfalsifiable claims ("many" haters exist)
Shift the topic when challenged (now we're discussing other commenters)
Escalate emotional language (substitute heat for light)
The goal is not to reach understanding. The goal is to make discussion impossible while claiming moral high ground.
Productive discussion requires:
Stating positions clearly
Engaging opposing arguments
Acknowledging tradeoffs
Addressing evidence
This commenter does none of these.
Readers can decide for themselves what that indicates about good faith.
This is AI-ASSisted self-justification and self-cuntgratulations, right in line with the below:
https://futurism.com/psychologist-ai-new-disorders has examples of AI (ChatGPT especially) helping the grandiose to get more grandiose… Telling them what they want to hear!
https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/former-openai-employee-horrified-chatgpt-psychosis also!!!!
https://futurism.com/openai-gpt5-more-sycophantic OpenAI Announces That It’s Making GPT-5 More Sycophantic After User Backlash
The company is giving in to the pressure.
Hey ChatGPT! Just HOW wonderful AM I, anyway?
Ah, the final boss of deflection has arrived:
Level 1: "Enforcement supporters are xenophobes!"
Level 2: "Well, aren't OTHER commenters hateful?"
Level 3: "You're... using a tool that helps you think clearly! NO FAIR!"
Friend, when your best counterargument is "he brought a calculator to the math test," you've already conceded you can't do the math.
Let's recap what you've contributed across four replies:
Zero policy positions
Zero substantive rebuttals
Zero engagement with actual arguments
Three links about AI being scary
Lots of words in ALL CAPS
Meanwhile, I've addressed enforcement legitimacy, global comparisons, costs and benefits, and the difference between argument and name-calling. With help! From a robot! The horror!
Here's a thought: If an AI-assisted argument is beating you this badly, maybe the problem isn't the AI.
You've spent this entire thread calling people xenophobes, haters, and now "grandiose"—while offering exactly nothing of substance. That's not an argument. That's a tantrum with a thesaurus.
But hey, at least you can spell "sycophantic." That's something.
Zero policy positions
STOP catering to the haters, and send back ONLY violent criminals or those who steal (those who actually have victims). Elsewhere here I have stated my position.
Zero substantive rebuttals
If you were NOT so lazy, ass to SNOT read my links, then you would learn all about tribalism and do-gooder derogation, which is at the root of ALL of this hatred! This is SNOT good for us in the long run!
Zero engagement with actual arguments
Just because You PervFectly say so, does SNOT make shit true!
Three links about AI being scary
Refute twat the links say, then! Also, I think that Your Pervfected (heavily implied) xenophobia is also scary! Hey, twat are the costs and bennies of allowing people religious and other freedoms? If the "collective we" find the costs to be too high, should we SNOT be taking away their religious and other freedoms?
Lots of words in ALL CAPS... DOES THAT MAKE ANY OF THE WORDS BE SNOT TRUE? Shit's a simple question. And I refute twat Ye PervFectly say, because YOU do SNOT use ENOUGH capitals!
You lost. Go post your Tim copypasta and run away like Sir Robin with your tail between your shitty legs, Melvin.
SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT ≠ NO ENFORCEMENT
The logic error:
Premise: Enforcement is sometimes selective
Conclusion: Therefore enforcement is illegitimate
By this logic:
Speed limits are selectively enforced → Speed limits illegitimate
Tax law is selectively enforced → Taxation illegitimate
Fraud laws are selectively enforced → Fraud laws illegitimate
Selective enforcement is a problem to fix, not an argument against having laws. The solution to selective enforcement is more consistent enforcement, not abandoning enforcement entirely.
THE "XENOPHOBE" LABEL IS A THOUGHT-TERMINATOR
The move:
Anyone who supports enforcement = "hater" / "xenophobe"
No need to address their arguments
Moral condemnation replaces analysis
What this avoids:
Why do nations have borders?
How do other countries enforce immigration?
What's the alternative to enforcement?
What are the costs of non-enforcement?
The label exists to prevent these questions from being asked.
ECONOMIC ANALYSIS WITHOUT COUNTERFACTUAL
Claim:
"deporting the estimated 8.1 million undocumented immigrants in the workforce would not automatically create 8.1 million jobs for unemployed Americans"
Never asked:
Would wages rise for remaining workers?
Would working conditions improve?
Would employers invest in automation/productivity?
Would native-born workers take jobs at higher wages?
What's the fiscal impact of 8.1 million fewer undocumented residents?
The author presents job losses from enforcement but never asks:
What jobs were lost or suppressed by the original illegal immigration?
THE SYMPATHY PLAY
Every detained person presented with:
Sympathetic backstory
Community ties emphasized
Business ownership highlighted
Neighbors rallying
No criminal record stressed
Never presented:
Perspective of native-born worker displaced
Perspective of legal immigrant who waited years
Perspective of taxpayer funding services
Perspective of community experiencing rapid demographic change
The frame:
Detained immigrant is the only person who matters in the story.
REFUGEE FRAMING WITHOUT SCRUTINY
Kelly Yu:
"fled China's one-child policy and crossed the U.S.-Mexico border into Arizona illegally"
Not asked:
Why the US specifically?
What countries did she pass through?
Could she have sought asylum in Mexico?
Why cross illegally rather than present at port of entry?
Paul Dama:
"pending asylum case based on his prior kidnapping by Boko Haram"
Not asked:
Boko Haram operates in Nigeria/Cameroon region
How many countries between there and US?
Why not seek asylum in first safe country?
What's the asylum claim process supposed to be?
The pattern:
"Fleeing" = automatic legitimacy, no scrutiny of route or process.
"What is immigration law for, if not to be enforced?"
To be selectively enforced.
What is the selection?
Non Nordic, working class, according to the profiles in the article.
You mean the selection bias of the author.
You mean it's different from your own bias? You were expecting something else in a Libertarian publication?
He means you're a slimy pile of TDS-addled lying lefty shit.
Otherwise a fag.
And what bias is that?
Random political winds. Personal Grudges. Because the police need to hit a quota.
This is why selective enforcement of the law is the first step in anarchy. Because if the law only exists when those in authority want it to, then those authorities can abuse the law whenever they wish.
They literally let white South Africans in an asylum claims while trying to deport Chinese dissidents. Couldn't be more obvious.
Oh no, ethnostates exist!
Quick, save the egalitarians.
Well, let's be honest. That is the only clear evidence I've seen of Musk's influence. He wants to save his people from an explicitly stated slow genocide. Of course he's going to lean on every person he can to protect his people.
You mean people actually being targeted by their governments? Because they've let other racial groups in for the same reason. They've also deported white Europeans on overstays.
Not everyone sees the legal system based on race like you sarc.
Also note the white Africans applied through an embassy and waited for approval instead of illegally crossing.
Youre a buffoon sarc.
mtrueman...
"To be selectively enforced."
https://www.ekathimerini.com/opinion/1156932/for-my-friends-everything-for-my-enemies-the-law/
‘For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law’
The song of DicKtators and authoritarians EVERYWHERE!!!
A quote by Peru’s General Óscar Benavides.
NO CONSIDERATION OF COSTS
What the author presents:
Immigrants start businesses at higher rates ✓
Immigrant businesses create jobs ✓
Fortune 500 companies founded by immigrants ✓
Communities rally for detained entrepreneurs ✓
What the author never mentions:
Wage pressure on native-born workers (especially low-skill)
Housing cost increases in immigrant-heavy areas
School system strain
Healthcare system costs
Social service utilization
Community cohesion/integration challenges
Crime rates (even if low, honest analysis would address)
Tax consumption vs. contribution (net fiscal impact)
Cultural integration friction
An honest argument would say:
"Here are the benefits, here are the costs, the benefits outweigh the costs because X."
This argument says:
"Here are the benefits. There are no costs. Anyone who suggests costs exists is targeting 'hardworking people.'"
"Here are the benefits. There are no costs. Anyone who suggests costs exists is targeting 'hardworking people.'"
Your arguments say that we, the GOOD native-borns, should torture, kill, and then drink the blood of the illegal subhumans, in Satanic rituals and shituals, because shit makes us feel GOOD about ourselves".
My tricorny Magic Mind-Reading tinfoil hate-hat works even better than Your PervFected tinfoil hate-hat!!!
So twat ye are PervFectly saying is that since Jesus hated the illegal sub-humans, we, too, should hate them, with all of our hearts, souls, and minds?
Pure self-righteous tribalism and do-gooder derogation on the part of the self-righteous haters, is twat we have here!
I for one can’t STAND the idea that a casual reader here of a libertarian news and commenting site would read the vapid and vile comments, and conclude, “Oh, so THAT’s what libertarians are all about!” No, it’s just that REAL libertarians (and VERY few others) still believe in free speech, so the troglodytes come HERE, where their vile lies & vapid insults will NOT be taken down!
The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been feared and resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
In conclusion, troglodytes, thanks for helping me to prove my points!
Then they crucified Jesus, 'cause Jesus made them look bad! ALSO because Jesus made them look bad FOR THEIR STUPID, HIDE-BOUND TRIBALISM! "The parable of the Good Samaritan" was VERY pointed, because the Samaritans were of the WRONG tribe, in the eyes of "Good Jews" of the day.
Instead of KILLING Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., etc., we’d be better off VOTING for these kinds of people! But we will NOT, ’cause they Hurt Our Precious Baby Feelings, by giving tribalism and do-gooder derogation the disrespect that they (and we self-righteous tribalists) SOOO thoroughly deserve!
This is a person of low-moral character. No need to engage with a person like this until they consistently demonstrate that they want to have a productive conversation. They are here to waste everybody's time.
See my early conversation with "SQRLSY" (above):
"SQRLSY" levels of engagement:
Level 1: "Enforcement supporters are xenophobes!"
Level 2: "Well, aren't OTHER commenters hateful?"
Level 3: "You're... using a tool that helps you think clearly! NO FAIR!"
What "SQRLSY" contributed across four replies:
Zero policy positions
Zero substantive rebuttals
Zero engagement with actual arguments
Three links about AI being scary
Lots of words in ALL CAPS
Meanwhile, I've addressed enforcement legitimacy, global comparisons, costs and benefits, and the difference between argument and name-calling.
He spent this entire thread calling people xenophobes, haters, and grandiose—while offering exactly nothing of substance. That's not an argument. That's a tantrum with a thesaurus.
Zero policy positions
STOP catering to the haters, and send back ONLY violent criminals or those who steal (those who actually have victims). Elsewhere here I have stated my position.
Zero substantive rebuttals
If you were NOT so lazy, ass to SNOT read my links, then you would learn all about tribalism and do-gooder derogation, which is at the root of ALL of this hatred! This is SNOT good for us in the long run!
Zero engagement with actual arguments
Just because You PervFectly say so, does SNOT make shit true!
Three links about AI being scary
Refute twat the links say, then! Also, I think that Your Pervfected (heavily implied) xenophobia is also scary! Hey, twat are the costs and bennies of allowing people religious and other freedoms? If the "collective we" find the costs to be too high, should we SNOT be taking away their religious and other freedoms?
Lots of words in ALL CAPS... DOES THAT MAKE ANY OF THE WORDS BE SNOT TRUE? Shit's a simple question. And I refute twat Ye PervFectly say, because YOU do SNOT use ENOUGH capitals!
You resent the hell out of the fact that many other people are flat-out, better, more honest people than you are, right? More “live and let live”, and WAAAY less authoritarian?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-love-and-war/201706/why-some-people-resent-do-gooders
From the conclusion to the above…
“These findings suggest that we don’t need to downplay personal triumphs to avoid negative social consequences, as long as we make it clear that we don’t look down on others as a result.”
SQRLSY back here now… So, I do NOT want you to feel BAD about YOU being an authorShitarian asshole, and me NOT being one! PLEASE feel GOOD about you being an evil, lying asshole! You do NOT need to push me (or other REAL lovers of personal liberty) down, so that you can feel better about being an asshole! EVERYONE ADORES you for being that asshole that you are, because, well, because you are YOU! FEEL that self-esteem, now!
Don't bother responding to AI slop
You mean to say that the AI's tricorny Magic Mind-Reading tinfoil hate-hat works NO better than those of the RePoopLicKKKunts and-or other xenophobes?!?
Color me shocked!!!
Youre a buffoon sarc.
The AI comments are far, far more apt than anything you've ever posted, shitstain.
You should use it Sarckles. It would make your comments more coherent and truthful.
" . . . and other immigrants, legally present or not . . . "
Just for the record, only one of those is an immigrant; the other is a criminal (convicted or not).
..."I have never really feared for my immigration status," Flores-Muñoz says. "That has changed since January 20, 2025, because now nobody is safe."...
Gee, in all that time, you didn't get around to becoming a citizen?
"STARTING A BUSINESS" IS DOING HEAVY LIFTING
The claim:
"Immigrants are 80 percent more likely to found companies than U.S.-born individuals"
What this obscures:
TYPE: Tech startup (Chobani)
VALUE CREATED: High
JOBS CREATED: Many
TYPE: Food truck
VALUE CREATED: Modest
JOBS CREATED: Few
TYPE: Landscaping sole proprietor
VALUE CREATED: Low
JOBS CREATED: Zero
TYPE: Cash-based operation
VALUE CREATED: Unknown
JOBS CREATED: Unknown
Billion-dollar Chobani founder
Food truck owner
Self-employed contractor
Under-the-table cash business
All become "entrepreneurs" and "business owners."
Questions not asked:
What's the median revenue of immigrant-founded businesses?
How many are sole proprietorships with no employees?
How many survive 5 years?
What's the net tax contribution?
How many are primarily serving immigrant communities vs. broader economy?
The Chobani example does heavy rhetorical work to make the food truck seem equivalent.
BOTTOM LINE
The article fails every test of honest argumentation:
TEST: Considers costs and benefits
RESULT: ❌ Benefits only
TEST: Defines terms precisely
RESULT: ❌ "Entrepreneur" covers everything
TEST: Distinguishes legal/illegal
RESULT: ❌ Treats as irrelevant
TEST: Acknowledges other nations' practices
RESULT: ❌ US enforcement uniquely bad
TEST: Scrutinizes refugee claims
RESULT: ❌ "Fleeing" = automatic legitimacy
TEST: Presents counterfactual
RESULT: ❌ Only costs of enforcement, not costs of illegal immigration
TEST: Acknowledges human nature/borders
RESULT: ❌ Implicit open borders assumption
TEST: Presents opposing viewpoint fairly
RESULT: ❌ Enforcement = "crackdown," "hostile"
This is advocacy, not analysis.
Welcome to CATO/reason.
Can I encourage you to post on every David Bier post on X? Because this is his method and he rages when called out.
Thank you. It's genuinely refreshing to find people interested in productive discussion rather than just trading insults. The back-and-forth here reminds me why I still find comment sections worthwhile.
As for X—I'll have to pass. I'm already allowing myself this one indulgence: arguing on Reason.com, where the counterarguments are so weak that "winning" requires about as much effort as beating a toddler at chess. A man has to limit his vices, and dunking on people who can't distinguish between "enforcement exists" and "xenophobia" is apparently mine.
So an illegal who is here because of an illegal order from a pos president is getting deported?
Good.
Good for whom?
My country, and all those that love my country.
A bunch of pseudo patriotic collectivists, in other words.
Sorry you hate borders so. You are, of course, free to go elsewhere.
I don't think you're sorry at all. What I get from you is envy and resentment.
Far better than your abysmally stupid rejoinders.
If we had not allowed unfettered access for the last four years some alternate measures migjt jave been possible. Im my mind these drastic measures are a direct result of that.
Yeah Reason/Cato have been demanding open borders for a long time and Biden gave it to us good and hard. As a result our immigration systems, public services, welfare state, schools, hospitals, legal systems criminal and civil, among other things have been overwhelmed. And now we're dealing with epic levels of fraud perpetrated by aliens. Reason doesn't talk about assimilation much anymore but immigrants in places like Dearborn and Minneapolis have made it clear that their goal is to gain political power and impose their culture on the natives. This scheme has been a collosal failure and we're called xenophobes if dare to notice. Finally enforcing immigration law will not always be pretty but if we're going to have a nation state it's the only option left.
"if we're going to have a nation state it's the only option left."
Libertarians don't aspire to 'have a nation state.' That's more a goal of Nazis, Zionists, and other xenophobes.
Move to Syria so you can be around the trash you love so much
Did I ask for your advice? Keep your Fascist ideas to yourself.
You are the one who just identified Jews with Nazis.
Too bad my ancestors let yours into the US.
Ethnostate enthusiasts flock together.
And learn to read. I never mentioned Jews. I wrote about Zionists, a whole another thing. There were plenty of Germans who rejected Nazism just as Jews reject Zionism and its genocidal agenda. Shame on you for conflating the two. You insult millions of decent, compassionate people.
It's adorable that you think anybody buys into your "I do not hate Jews, I hate Zionists" bullshit.
It's absolute, unmitigated BS. Has been from the start. But keep praying for plausible deniability.
This is actually funnier than hell, seeing charliewalz calling out misconstrueman. And even stranger as I find myself agreeing with charlie.
"It's adorable that you think anybody buys into your "I do not hate Jews, I hate Zionists" bullshit."
I'm not sure. Is it just me you find adorable, or is it also all Jews who reject Zionism? Either way, you need to think this through a little more. Take the day, short as it is, being solstice and all.
"I'm not sure..."
That's because you're an imbecile.
"Ethnostate enthusiasts flock together..."
TDS-addled steaming piles of lying lefty shits fuck off and die.
Trueman is a lying pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.
Yes, libertarians want a bordered state; we like living in a high-trust society, and that more or less makes borders a necessity.
We call him "misconstrueman" 'around these here parts for the obvious reason.
BTW, Trueman, it's laughable that a lying pile of lefty shit like you claims to have any knowledge at all WRT libertarianism
Then they have no hopes of having one. Importing people who don't share your values will inevitably cause them to plunge to permanent minority status.
"people who don't share your values"
Your values are sadistic resentment towards brown people who strive to better their lives. Thank the good lord they don't share your rotten values.
In which truman admits that the goal of mass migration is to replace the undesirable whites.
You are welcome to all the undesirable whites my laundry bag has to offer.
We're not the ones demanding those darker skinned folks mow our lawns and do menial jobs.
The Left has ALWAYS loved slavery. Have never once fallen out of love with the practice.
Black people doing black jobs. Isn't that what Trump promised us in 2024?
"The Left has ALWAYS loved slavery. "
The right has always followed the left's lead. The two march in locked step with regards to Palestine, for example.
"The right has always followed the left's lead."
That explains Trump, right, you fucking ignoramus?
My values involve specifically NOT raping people, including young kids.
Many migrants are not on board with that.
They should be brought over to another country...why?
"My values involve specifically NOT raping people,"
Except if their names are Epstein, Trump and the rest of the idols of MAGA. Then it's all good.
Letting your emotions of envy and resentment against the most marginal people of society shape your 'values' is not persuading anyone.
"Except if their names are Epstein, Trump and the rest of the idols of MAGA."
You misspelled "Clinton", asswipe. Fuck off and die.
Your values are 'rape is resistance'.
Your values are "Let me find an excuse, ANY excuse, to look down upon the inferior, illegal sub-humans, or those, who, for ANY other reason or treason, fall short of the Standards of MEEEEE and My Tribe! MemberShit in MY Tribe entitles me to EVERYTHING, and the others? Entitles them to NOTHING, except MEEEEE and My Tribe's udder, slutter cuntempt!"
That is not true at all.
Libertarians understand that nation-states are a *tool* and evaluate their desire for one based on the utility of that tool.
For example, a globalized world run on WEF principles is still a nation-state - its just one without competition between governments and thus allows maximum oppression by governments.
As such, multiple nation-states are *useful* to libertarian goals to maximize personal utility and so they still support their existence.
"Libertarians understand that nation-states are a *tool*"
States are tools. Libertarians look to the state to protect our rights. Our rights as citizens, individuals, in other words, not as members of a particular nation. Nation states are a collectivist notion and anathema to any Libertarian worthy of the name.
"...Libertarians look to the state to protect our rights..."
Once more, lying pile of steaming lefty shit laughably claims knowledge of libertarianism.
Nah, you just have a Rand-parody libertarianism.
Interesting that you mention 'zionists' - but fail to mention Palestinians.
"but fail to mention Palestinians."
That's my values showing. I admire Palestinians and their splendid fight for freedom and justice. I thought my history of commenting here made that abundantly clear. Still, It's good of you to take an interest. Can't ask for more, really.
"...I admire Palestinians and their splendid fight for freedom and justice..."
Not to mention their raping and child-murder, right shitstain?
A Palestinian ethno-state is ok...for freedom and justice. Jewish one? NO!
Stay retarded.
"A Palestinian ethno-state is ok.."
I don't think it'll work. Do you? I've long been a single stater. One state for all citizens regardless of nationality. Everyone else manages to swing it.
"I've long been a single stater. One state for all citizens regardless of nationality. Everyone else manages to swing it..."
No great surprise, given Trueman's imbecility, but an example of what Sowell notes as a true-bleever in an "un-constrained"; the imbecilic vision that humanity can be "perfected" (Rousseau, Marx, and Condorcet - all proponents of the Jocobin vision) as opposed to the vision that humanity is as humanity is, and we prefer to find optimal trade-offs.
The asshole LIBERTARIAN who has recently gone missing is an equal example of abysmal stupidity.
Perfection is not an option. We, born in the US (not 'vacation babies') were born in a high-trust society, and we have A2 to make sure we enforce that.
Imbecilic piles of lefty shit like Trueman ignore history and hope we, not the imbecilic pile of lefty shit, have to pay for it.
Guessing the history of the USSR in the '30s is a total mystery to Trueman; he's not real bright:
"mtrueman
May.23.2022 at 10:29 am
[…]As long as humans are operating the reactors, an accident is a potential, regardless of the safety of the reactors. It's the human element where the danger comes in...”
Well, do we assume he's hoping for aliens for operate the (human-designed) reactors, or perhaps trained apes like him?
BTW, anyone care to guess what assholeman means by this?
"...One state for all citizens regardless of nationality. Everyone else manages to swing it..."
Swing WHAT, and why would 'swinging' something matter?
Given that I've obviously asked fuckface Trueman questions he choses not to answer, if someone the asshole has not muted could get the asswipe to answer would be appreciated.
So the Palestinian ethnostate is good?
No exceptions.
Yep. Deport Elonia and Melania for working illegally.
Another false maddow lie. But youre not a Democrat right sarc?
sarc supports illegalkind raping white girls' pussies!
Everything that contradicts your false world view is a lie.
Everything you post is a lie.
No. Everything that is a known lie is a lie. If you could prove it true you would.
This reads like a sob story one would tell a judge. None of this changes the issue of him being here illegally. There is a space for mercy, but this has been abused. If it was an isolated case, then maybe, but these cases are by the million.
Additionally, DACA is not a legal status. It was a policy to ignore the law. It was unconstitutional on its face and more lawless and fascist than anything Trump has done because Obama directly ignored Congress after they refused to pass the law and implemented it anyway.
Idiot. He is here legally.
Idiot. DACA does not confer legal status into perpetuity and this guy had decades to become a citizen. The US has by far the most lenient immigration policies in the civilized world. But the unifying theme in all of these stories is that the individuals involved were too lazy or too ignorant or too arrogant to simply take advantage of those policies for decades. Anyone in this position now can either apply for citizenship or self deport or be deported. If they have been convicted of a crime in their decades here the only option is to GTFO and owning a business has nothing to do with it.
No. DACA is not a legal status at all. Congress refused to pass that law. It was an enforcement discretion policy, nothing more.
Wrong. An unsupported assertion from a lefty asswipe.
If he is here legally then no, he is not threatened.
Wrong. Read the article.
Walz +8
The article does not in fact show that he is here legally.
Refusing to prosecute a crime does not make it not a crime.
The article says he's a DACA recipient - thus he came here illegally and got a deferred prosecutorial action for his crime. The *Obama government* (who created DACA) SAYS he's here illegally - they just won't do anything about it as long as he can keep getting a two-year renewable 'get-out-of-jail-free ticket'. Trump isn't issuing the tickets anymore.
DACA does not make you here legally. There are programs that do that but DACA is not one of them.
Finally, since this is an Obama program - and Obama EO, Obama setting prosecutorial priorities - and NOT A LAW, you can't really complain that Trump is abusing his authority (or acting illegally) by changing prosecutorial priorities.
The Democrats had time to fix this legislatively, they chose not to. Why? Because a permanent underclass that can be exploited for their labor is the basis of their view of the future of America. Its the same view they had in 1828 too.
Wrong. Learn something.
Mass Deportation is a DEI program for lazy entitled MAGA Cult members who don't want competition from immigrants who are smarter and work harder.
Congratulations. You are part of the brain trust that made the libertarian party the 0.6% juggernaut it is today.
"Free minds, free markets, and free shit for anyone from south of the border!"
If they were smarter and worked harder --- why are their home countries such unmitigated shitholes?
Because unmitigated shitholes do SNOT mandate that their citizens buy magazines that the AuthorShitarians and TotalShitarians SAY that they should buy!
Hey Damiksec, damiskec, and damikesc, Damned-and-Sick, and ALL of your other socks…
How is your totalitarian scheme to FORCE people to buy Reason magazines coming along?
Free speech (freedom from “Cancel Culture”) comes from Facebook, Twitter, Tik-Tok, and Google, right? THAT is why we need to pass laws to severely constrict these DANGEROUS companies (which, ugh!, the BASTARDS, put profits above people!)!!! We must pass new laws to retract “Section 230” and FORCE the evil corporations to provide us all (EXCEPT for my political enemies, of course!) with a “UBIFS”, a Universal Basic Income of Free Speech!
So leftist “false flag” commenters will inundate Reason-dot-com with shitloads of PROTECTED racist comments, and then pissed-off readers and advertisers and buyers (of Reason magazine) will all BOYCOTT Reason! And right-wing idiots like Damikesc will then FORCE people to support Reason, so as to nullify the attempts at boycotts! THAT is your ultimate authoritarian “fix” here!!!
“Now, to “protect” Reason from this meddling here, are we going to REQUIRE readers and advertisers to support Reason, to protect Reason from boycotts?”
Yup. Basically. Sounds rough. (Quote damikesc)
(Etc.)
See https://reason.com/2020/06/24/the-new-censors/
(And Asshole Extraordinaire will NEVER take back shits' totalitarian bullshit!!!! 'Cause Asshole Extraordinaire is already PERFECT in every way!!!)
This (above damikesc quote) is a gem of the damnedest dumbness of damikesc! Like MANY “perfect in their own minds” asshole authorShitarians around here, he will NEVER take back ANY of the stupidest and most evil things that he has written! I have more of those on file… I deploy them to warn other readers to NOT bother to try and reason with the most utterly unreasonable of the nit-wit twits around here!
Why does the USA insist on taking all these these wonderful hard-working entrepreneurs assets from their own nation? From what I hear Mexico could use as many of these assets-to-society as they can get.
"People like Flores-Muñoz—and other immigrants, legally present or not—are an important entrepreneurial force in the United States. They start businesses at a higher rate than native-born Americans, creating jobs and enriching communities in the process."
Oh, just like they commit crimes at a lower rate? And they smile more. And they have better flossing habits.
Alternate take: Stats about illegals are complete crap because they do everything under the table, they don't answer pollsters questions honestly, and they don't report crimes to the police. Now filter those false stats through the world's leading open borders publication, and you've got a recipe for a real bullshit sandwich.
I love how illegals are simply better than American citizens --- but, again, their home countries are absolute shitholes.
There is also the problem of States with high illegal populations requiring the statistics be falsified by refusing to separate out by nationality or immigration status. This lets dishonest activists like CATO assume not listed as illegal is the same as citizen when it is anything but, intentionally.
Every statistic shows that people commit the majority of crimes against their own people. Illegals therefore commit more crimes against other illegals. But they don't want to interact with the police, so no report is made.
"People like Flores-Muñoz—and other immigrants, legally present or not..."
Stop right there.
He is not legally here; he gets deported. Voluntarily, with no confinement, or otherwise.
His choice.
IMHO, Democrats should have been working with Trump to reform the system, but as we've seen from the beginning Pelosi walked out and Democrats are losing support by supporting criminal illegal immigrants. It's crazy TDS that they let criminals wanted by ICE out that kill so\on after. Decent people don't want criminal immigrants.
Democrats could negotiate with Trump but won't. That they won't leads to a lot of non-criminal immigrants getting deported. That they don't shows their priority is power via illegal immigrant votes (you're paying to support them with lots of welfare including welfare fraud with kickbacks to the politicians allowing it) and they don't care about the people or immigrant entrepreneurs.
Hell, conservatives in 2017 were legit quite worried that he'd cave into whatever the Democrats wanted. They likely could have gotten him to sign off on a lot of their asinine plans, given his goal to compromise. They refused to do so, which was bafflingly idiotic.
They were more focused on riling up their base with claims that he colluded with the Russians®™ to steal the 2016 election.
When the courts found DACA to be illegal Trump told Congress to bring him a bill to sign but they refused to do so. Biden by executive order purported to bring it back, an issue that is still in legal limbo, but it has never been codified in Congress. Trump is done fucking around. Congress can still create some kind of DACA bill but they haven't and Trump is enforcing the law in the meantime. FAFO.
Why should the Dems come up with a DACA bill? They are winning the p.r. campaign after all. Maybe the GOP should come up with a reasonable DACA bill (such as, we aren't going to send you back to a country you never knew just because your parents brought you here illegally when you were 2 years old) and dare the Dems to block it.
"Why should the Dems come up with a DACA bill? They are winning the p.r. campaign after all..."
Cite missing.
>>Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) is a United States immigration **policy**
Policy - not law. So . . . does that mean Obama was an 'Imperial President'? Or are unilateral executive actions only disallowed when Trump does them?
>>to receive a renewable two-year period of deferred action from deportation
Bro got his DACA status at 18 - so he's 31 now? In any case he's had 13 years to finalize his status.
This guy was the beneficiary of, *at best* prosecutorial discretion - where the government chose not to take action against his illegal residence status. So tell me Harrigan, why does the government have to maintain the same policies across administrations? Why do previous presidents get to bind current ones? Does that not destroy 'our precious democracy'?
>>Were under age 31 on as of June 15, 2012 (born on June 16, 1981, or after)
The eligibility requirements even have an age limit at the start of the program. The assumption is that if you're over 31 then you've had a ton of time to finalize your status and either you couldn't or you chose not to.
This guy chose not to.
Japanese-Americans on the west coast of the USA could have changed their last names and gotten slurgical-partial-farcial facial re-cuntstruction, and colored their hair blonde, to avoid FDR's cuntcentration camps. Many of them deliberately chose SNOT to do that, so shit was all THEIR fault!!!
And of what political party was FDR a member, Melvin?
Shit was a member of the Uniparty of Lying Scumbag Politicians, just like Dear Orange Caligula!
>>Notable recipients
Bambadjan Bamba, Ivorian actor[95]
David Dobrik, Slovak-American YouTuber[96]
Karla Cornejo Villavicencio, undocumented immigrant from Ecuador and author of The Undocumented Americans.
Xunami Muse, Panamanian drag performer.
Wow, they are contributing so much. Especially the stunning and brave drag queen. We really needed that - Americans just won't perform in drag and so we need to import them to meet demand. In fact, they should be added to the H1-B visa program.
One wrote a book. Because they couldn't have written that book anywhere else and it is a world-changing book.
Our good actor has had such prominent roles, challenging norms, such as 'Rapper on Elevator' and 'Guy in first row'. And who can forget his powerful performance as 'T-shirt vendor' in Suicide Squad!
And who could forget Youtube's top sloptuber! https://www.youtube.com/@DavidDobrik
"How David Dobrik became YouTube’s psychopath"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHgZj0ucjAM
"Wow, they are contributing so much. "
Xunami Muse is twice the Panamanian drag performer than you'll ever be.
Kiim Il Yung is twice the libertarian you'll ever be.
100 percent true!
I'm confused, why didn't he come in legally? You do realize that everyone who leapfrogs the legal process, no matter how heartwarming, no matter how non-violent, no matter how entrepreneurial they are, they've committed a no-shit injustice against those who are.
If you just wave off everyone who comes in illegally as long as they're super nice, support LGBTQI2MAP+ causes and makes great street food, then you've undermined your legal system and are merely trapping people within it for sadistic reasons.
Why didn't he come in legally? Maybe because shit takes 90 years, plus luck at a lottery, and then Dear Orange Caligula swill send you BACK, on the flimsiest pretext that Shit can find?
If you just wave off everyone who comes in illegally as long as they're super nice, support LGBTQI2MAP+ causes and makes great street food, then you've undermined your legal system and are merely trapping people within it for sadistic reasons.
In a distinct and just-as-evil-with-the-best-of-intentions "Some animals are more equal than others." fashion.
When you make excuses for not enforcing the law, it only makes it easier to not enforce other laws. Like how judges are sentencing some ethnic groups more leniency because of their supposed harsher backgrounds. Soon, laws are only enforced if you are of some less favored group and others get a pass.
Did he enter the country legally?
Is there really a "MASS DEPORTATION" going on or is it more returning back to normal numbers after extremely low numbers of deportation during the Biden years?
Trump is still behind the yearly numbers of deportation of Bush and not even close to the numbers yearly numbers of Obama. even if you wildly forecast the last few days of 2025.
The narrative is largely constructed by the media and fueled by Trump and his bragging, but the reality there isn't a surge pass what is typical if you remove the extremely low numbers of deportations during the Biden presidency.
"The narrative is largely constructed by the media "
Blaming the media? Isn't that schtick getting a little old? Did you know that ICE under Trump is now the largest Federal Law Enforcement Agency?
ICE's budget has significantly increased, reaching approximately $37.5 billion annually, making it the largest federal law enforcement agency. In comparison, the FBI's budget for fiscal year 2026 is proposed at around $10.1 billion, highlighting the substantial difference in funding between the two agencies.