The Pentagon and the FBI Are Investigating 6 Legislators for Exercising Their First Amendment Rights
The Trump administration is desperately trying to criminalize a video noting that service members have no obligation to follow unlawful orders.
After six members of Congress posted a video reminding members of the armed forces that they are not obligated to follow unlawful orders, President Donald Trump said the legislators were "traitors to our Country" who should be prosecuted for "SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL." Whatever you think of that video, its production plainly did not qualify as treason or seditious conspiracy under federal law. Now Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is trying a different tack, suggesting that Sen. Mark Kelly (D–Ariz.), a retired U.S. Navy captain, may have violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) by participating in the video.
How so? "The only code provision that addresses mere speech," notes David Cole, former national legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union, is Article 88, which prohibits "contempt toward officials."
Theoretically, Kelly could be called back into service to face a court-martial on a charge of violating Article 88. But his conduct does not fit the terms of that provision, which applies to "any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present."
The supposedly "seditious" video alludes to Trump's controversial uses of the armed forces, including his domestic military deployments and his summary executions of suspected drug smugglers. "This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens," say the legislators, all Democrats with military or intelligence backgrounds. "Like us, you all swore an oath to protect and defend [the] Constitution. Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad, but from right here right at home. Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders."
Kelly et al. note that "no one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution." While "Americans trust their military," they warn, "that trust is at risk." And although "we know this is hard," they say, "your vigilance is critical," and "we have your back."
The implication, of course, is that members of the armed forces might face situations in which they have to choose between following orders and adhering to the law. But the video does not get into specifics, and it never mentions Trump or anyone else by name, let alone refer to an official with "contemptuous words."
On Tuesday, Hegseth nevertheless instructed Secretary of the Navy John Phelan to investigate "potentially unlawful comments" that Kelly made in the video. "I am referring this, and any other related matters, for your review, consideration, and disposition as you deem appropriate," Hegseth says in his memo to Phelan. "Please provide me a brief on the outcome of your review by no later than December 10, 2025."
Notably, the memo does not cite any specific UCMJ provisions that Kelly might have violated. But Hegseth has suggested that Kelly might be guilty of sedition.
"The video made by the 'Seditious Six' was despicable, reckless, and false," Hegseth said in an X post on Monday. "Encouraging our warriors to ignore the orders of their Commanders undermines every aspect of 'good order and discipline.' Their foolish screed sows doubt and confusion—which only puts our warriors in danger." While "five of the six individuals in that video do not fall under [military] jurisdiction," he added, Kelly "is still subject to UCMJ—and he knows that."
Although Hegseth may consider Kelly "seditious," the senator's participation in the video does not fit the UCMJ's definition of sedition. That provision applies to a service member who, "with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or other disturbance against that authority."
The essence of Kelly's supposed offense is restating a well-established principle reflected in the UCMJ itself. Article 90 of the UCMJ authorizes punishment for a service member who "willfully disobeys a lawful command of his superior commissioned officer." Article 92 likewise requires obedience to "any lawful general order or regulation." But according to the Judge Advocate General's Operational Law Handbook, "soldiers have a duty to disobey" orders that are "manifestly illegal." Examples include intentional targeting of civilians, torture of prisoners, looting of property, and suppression of constitutionally protected protests.
The idea that Hegseth "can go after me under the Uniform Code of Military Justice," Kelly remarked during an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel's ABC talk show, "is kind of wild, because we recited something in the Uniform Code of Military Justice….It so ridiculous, it's almost like you can't make this shit up."
The attempt to treat the video as a crime is "right out of the playbook" of "authoritarianism," Kelly said. "That's what they do. They try to suppress speech."
Unlike Kelly, the other lawmakers who participated in the video are not subject to the UCMJ because they did not retire from the military with pensions. But Reuters, citing an unnamed "Justice Department official," reports that "the FBI has requested interviews" with all six legislators.
Those lawmakers clearly did not commit treason, which entails waging war on the United States or supporting its wartime enemies. Nor did they engage in a seditious conspiracy, which is defined as a plot involving the use of force to overthrow the U.S. government or oppose its authority. So what crime is the FBI investigating?
A Pentagon post on X suggested the video might have violated 18 USC 2387, which applies to someone who "advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States." But that crime requires an "intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United States." And the UCMJ defines insubordination as willfully disobeying "a lawful order," while the video explicitly addressed "illegal orders."
Any attempt to criminalize the speech at issue here would be clearly contrary to the Supreme Court's First Amendment precedents. The Court's 1969 decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio held that even advocacy of illegal conduct is constitutionally protected unless it is both "directed" at inciting "imminent lawless action" and "likely" to do so. Far from trying to incite "imminent lawless action," the legislators Trump wants to prosecute urged service members to "stand up for our laws" and "our Constitution," which they accurately said could require disobeying unlawful orders.
"Every one of us has First Amendment speech rights, and I think the president is infringing on those," Kelly said on Kimmel's show. "He is sending a pretty strong message: You do not want to cross him, and your loyalty should be to him. It should not. It should always be to the Constitution."
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TELL US AGAIN ALL ABOUT HOW J6 WAS AN INSURRECTION, SULLUM, YOU PAID DNC SHILL.
For the deaf and hard of hearing referencing what the 6 lawmakers SPECIFICALLY said that deviates from an innocent civics reminder:
1.” Trust is at risk” — No event or threat justifies this.
2. “Pitting troops against citizens” — An unfounded, destabilizing claim.
3. “We have your back” — False, unless it’s with thoughts, prayers, and tweets. Troops bear all legal risk if they refuse an order.
4. “Don’t give up the ship” — A dying battle command, not legal guidance.
They took their words off the congressional floor and into the country. Now the country is reminding them that words have consequences.
Public speech invites public accountability.
Anyway. They were put up to it by yet another CIA color revolution op, and oops, looks like Koch is funding it.
I think we are getting very, very warm as to whose NGO's idea it was to have the Senators produce a video about refusing illegal orders.
National Lawyers Guild issued a document about refusing illegal orders on 11 November. And now they have partnered with Win Without War to advertise seditious-adjacent behavior on billboards. And Win Without War has multiple Congressional liaisons on their "About" page.
National Lawyers Guild is an infamous supporter of antifa per @MrAndyNgo, which of course is now a foreign terrorist organization.
Win Without War, a fiscally sponsored project of the Center for International Policy, declares on its website that it stands with the Senators and insists: "It is not seditious to remind servicemembers of the oath they swore."
- The National Immigration Project of the National Lawyers Guild (NIPNLG) is a fiscally sponsored project of the Alliance for Global Justice (AfGJ), and the NLG as a whole is widely recommended as the primary legal contact and support provider for participants in pro-Palestine and immigration protests.
- Win Without War is a fiscally sponsored project of the Center for International Policy (CIP), as disclosed on CIP’s 2019 IRS Form 990.
- The Center for International Policy (CIP) is a progressive think tank advocating for a non-militaristic U.S. foreign policy centered on diplomacy, transparency, human rights, and solutions to war, corruption, inequality, and climate change.
CIP’s major funders include Open Society Foundations (George Soros), Carnegie Corporation of New York, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Charles Koch Foundation, David and Lucile Packard Foundation and McKnight Foundation, among others (per Cause IQ and public 990 filings).
Wow, Open Society Fund, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Koch Foundation, Carnegie Corporation.
They've got a lot of grants from Ford Foundation too (Ford tends to donate to more controversial causes through DAFs so you have to go to their grants database directly).
That's all of the Big Three, plus Open Society, plus Koch. This has the whiff of New Pluralists / Mediators Foundation all over it.
Tulsi needs to find out who inside is pushing this.
They need to investigate the funders. I'd love to see Koch and Soros in the docket on sedition charges.
Nah. The owners are quite open about their fondness for prostitutes like this dork who wrote this bullshit.
Never forget: March patriotically and peacefully is REALLY sedition, Really, it is.
Wow, Open Society Fund, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Koch Foundation, Carnegie Corporation.
How many times have I seen these organizations listed together in the last few years?
They want a global socialist goverment. At least give them the socialist part and levy a 100% income and asset tax on them
At least if they succeed in kicking off their color revolution the American government will know who to hang for treason.
"George Soros"
Trump's Treasury Secretary is a Soros guy.
charliehall
Is.
A.
Lying.
Pile.
Of.
Steaming.
Lefty.
Shit.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
JS;Dr- GFHS
No kidding. Sorry, Jakey. 18 USC 2387 is pretty damn clear and Kelly as a retired military officer is still subject to UCMJ. He can be recalled to active duty and prosecuted. That ACLU douche knows nothing of military law and it's independent judicial system. The Seditious Six knew exactly what they were doing as they later admitted they couldn't point to one illegal order Trump has given so there must have been a reason for that Soros funded video. Yes, Soros is behind it.
Language from that section:
"intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United States"
Kelly as indeed trying to influence the discipline of the military -- by reminding them of their legal obligations.
It is the people following illegal orders who should be court martialed.
The steaming pile of lying lefty shit charliehall admits Kelly is guilty:
"...Kelly as indeed trying to influence the discipline of the military.."
Thank you, asswipe. Now fuck off and die.
I was shocked when a proud Democrat friend of mine - former military officer and and actually an employee of one of the Clinton campaigns - went off on the seditionist behavior of the six, that they were undermining civilian control of the military, and failed to note one unlawful order of the president. I think Trump should have ignored the "public service message" by a handful of back benchers and we'd not even be discussing it today.
"I had the RIGHT to remain silent, but I did not have the ABILITY." - Ron White, "Blue Collar Comedy Tour"
Funniest part of that movie.
"I did know how many guys it would take for them to kick my ass. But I knew how many they were gonna use..."
Agreed.
They wanted to remind them of the law, so Trump did the same. An investigation seems a bit much though.
An investigation? No.
Drawing and quartering? Ok.
I would be willing to subject the Seditious Six to enhanced interrogation at GitMo to see what we can get out of them, and who their co conspirators are.
I don't think so especially where Kelly is concerned. The military takes this shit way more serious than civilians do. I think he should be recalled to active duty and investigated then punished by reduction in rank and discharged.
Agreed.
I know there’s obviously zero military experience amongst the Reason staff. Perhaps they should ask someone they may know who’s actually served about this. Ask anyone who’s actually been in the real military about what would happen if their CO made statements like Gabby’s old man, retired or otherwise.
And by actual prior military I don’t mean Admiral Rachel Levine.
As I've pointed out before, you don't even really need military experience either. "Don't follow his orders, follow mine!" and "I don't want to kill some of these other specific people because my governor/mayor/mailman/union rep said not to." is not conscientious objection. It's subservient defection. From an individual liberty *and* NAP perspective the distinction is pretty critical... if Sullum and the magazine were the least bit libertarian.
Yes and my active duty daughter told me they have already started to address this by remedial training on The Geneva Convention and following orders and so on. It took about 1 day to get the ball rolling reminding troops of the consequences of not following legal orders because of your feelies.
And the consequences of following illegal orders can mean a war crimes trial. We executed people after WW2 for that.
Glad no US soldiers have done so, asswipe. Fuck off and die.
"I think Trump should have ignored the "public service message" by a handful of back benchers and we'd not even be discussing it today."
Naw. This is all part of yet another "thing" in their ongoing color revolution. Those six were all carefully picked.
Sullum ignores the fact that Trump *is* the Constitution. Saying anything bad about him is unconstitutional. That's why simply stating what military personnel learn anyway, which is that they owe their allegiance first and foremost to the Constitution and not the President, is sedition. And SCOTUS has repeatedly ruled that the First Amendment doesn't protect speech that the President doesn't like.
Pretty much.
Poor retarded Kung Fu Shrike and Strawcasmic.
Samefagging again Drunky?
There's nothing more pathetic than samefagging your posts when your sock has already been exposed.
There is no Constitution any more. Generations of politicians of both parties have gradually shredded it to the point where it has become a ghost of its former self. Trump inherited no recognizable limitations on government scope and power and it should surprise no one that he is exercising unlimited power in the face of almost no opposition. The six Democrat politicians in question, prior military service notwithstanding, have no moral high ground from which to cite the Constitution in their defense, having done as much as anyone to shred it.
“Democrats are worse, so whatever Trump does is ok.”
Can you even ever blame a Democrat? I mean you supported all their actions and efforts.
Your oversimplification of what I said, to the point of being nonsensical, is noted and rejected with extreme prejudice.
Kill yourself.
Broken-record-playing Demonic Death-Worshitter Worshits Death... More news at 6:66!!!
Cuntsorevaturds making friends, gathering votes, and influencing people by... PEDDLING KOOL-AID AND SUICIDE!!! How's it workin' for ya, servant, serpent, and slurp-pants (pants-slurper) of the Evil One?
EvilBahnFuhrer, drinking EvilBahnFuhrer Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…
He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jim-Jones
Loves death and the dying moans,
Then he likes to munch their bones!
He’s truly, completely a necrophiliac,
His brain, squirming toad-like, is REALY, really whack!
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
Kool-Aid man, please listen,
You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer …
If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
Who would feed you? Whose tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!
Signed, Yours Truly, Heaven-on-Earth-Based Skeptic of Servants, Serpents, and Slurp-Pants of the Evil One
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Poor retarded Melvin.
Poor retarded shrike.
Were you born retarded or were you just dropped on your head from a balcony. All troops in Basic Training are drilled on the chain of command going all the way to the President and reminded, strongly, that while in uniform you must be very careful in how you criticize the President. In fact, keep it to yourself.
"no one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution."
What if the laws violate the Constitution? What if the Supreme Court upholds unconstitutional laws? What if Congress passes laws that violate the Constitution? The political polarization in progress may eventually force Americans into a conflict between the original intent of the Framers of the Constitution and the living document unlimited scope and power of government factions. Then what?
You don't get to make that decision. If the orders are lawful under the rules of war, judicial rulings or military law then they are presumed lawful. Period. Just because you don't think they may be un Constitutional is not a reason to disobey and doing so may very well land you in Club Leavenworth. Your only recourse is to let your enlistment run out or request a separation from service. The separation can be denied, of course, and you might find your job for the next 3 years is raking the grass at Ft Wainwright.
No, fomenting a revolution against the government is not protected speech but I get you're invested in the Marxist revolution against America so you'll defend it by any means necessary.
SJIN - that might make some kind of sense in another context, but since no one in this case has fomented a revolution against the government it makes zero sense. You might try that again somewhere without any brains.
Hey sullum. Stop embarrassing yourself with blind loyalty to the DNC.
At least Kelly is subject to the military standards as he is retired. So he is likely out of line telling troops the opposite of what is in the code, ie assumption of legal orders except in rare cases.
I dont get reason defending the soft coup the left is playing at. NGOs have admitted this is their plan. Records were found and released.
These 6 have thoroughly emvarassed themselves. And defending them is even more embarrassing.
Now we have dems like Gallego literally threatening troops for following orders if they even question legality.
I cited multiple times this has led to court marshals prior. Troops who claimed Iraq and Afghanistan war was illegal. It was not. They were court marshaled for disobeying orders.
This is what dems are trying to have more of. Youre part of it sullum.
Why do you think Sullum and these Dems are anything but active, willing members of the revolution?
Sullum has to here. The message from these six was brought to you in part by the Charles Koch Foundation, in addition to the Open Society.
https://x.com/labtechleigh/status/1993634151744864686?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA
Found this, this morning and posted it in the Roundup.
https://x.com/datarepublican/status/1993668483125576071?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA
Charles Koch is in this up to the last hairs on his head.
They should all be prosecuted. And while that’s being sorted out, hold them indefinitely in solitary confinement in the same jail with the same conditions the J6 detainees were subjected to.
Yup.
What would the Reasonistas do if Rich Uncle Charles ended up in the clink?
This certainly explains Reason's ridiculous unlibertarian stances over the past 10 years.
Exactly.
If only there were some fundamental principle of free speech and the right to disagree with government officials protected by founding documents of our nation and society! But since there is no such thing, these six American citizens are probaby doomed ...
Idiotic reply.
Nobody forced Kelly to join the military. He signed up to the rules willingly.
Meanwhile a Nat Guard member was shot in the head outside the white house.
Keep pushing this bullshit sullum. Going great.
Jeffersarcshrike must be hard as hell.
"They had it coming!"
This is what some comments to the WSJ report actually say. Democrats are now officially cunts.
They've been officially cunts since before they started the civil war.
Two. Both have died.
Latest update is they may not be dead.
Sadly they have both passed. RIP.
I'm really tired of never finding out anything when this shit happens. We better get some answers here.
The purpose of the current mainstream media is to coverup stories that would reflect poorly on the Democrats.
Coverup, "edit", spin, and fabricate.
Either way, can we finally put an end to the democrat party? And if not, then what IS the threshold to do that?
I would like to know how all of you see this.
Mass arrests of their political opponents? Suspension of elections?
Ending Marxism in America?
I think that had more to do with the unvetted Afghani who overstayed his visa and was about to be deported so had to move his terrorist plot timeline up a bit.
Nice timing, asshole.
With Jacob “TDS” Sullum, it usually is.
Sullum is probably all spent and sticky after reading about the shooting. His only regret is that they weren’t ICE officers.
We’ll see what Team Blue and their boy at Reason think about Congress “noting that service members have no obligation to follow unlawful orders” when it’s a fucking Democrat in the WH.
They thought "March peacefully and patriotic" was sedition. We know what how they'll react.
There can never again be a democrat in the White House.
Ever.
There almost certainly will be in three years. There will be a Democrat House in 2027.
And I assume the vote for impeachment will happen on day one of the new session.
They might have to take a few days for committee assignments.
It absolutely baffles me how anyone who isn't demonically evil can vote for them.
I know a lot of people have their heads up their asses, but still...
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Pursue the investigation anyway.
Call it Antarctic Frost.
What a dumbass move by Trump. Making this an investigation, instead of one day story will just line his opponents fundraising coffers. I wouldn't even care except this is a waste of resources. The only silver lining but not going to be duscussed is that if the feds have money for this, they have too much money.
Cut Spending.
Some things are important enough to pursue especially for Kelly who is still subject to UCMJ
Only MAGAs would get their panties in a bundle over “You are allowed not to violate the law”.
You're not even trying anymore, Tony.
"You are SNOT allowed to SNOT violate the law, if shit pisses MEEEEE off!!!" (Take out the double negatives, and Dear Orange Caligula REQUIRES "His" soldier-slaves to violate the laws.)
-Dear Orange Caligula
Note that by His Own Words, Dear Orange Caligula ***IS*** effectively The Law!
https://www.buzzfeed.com/michaelabramwell/reactions-trumps-tweet-about-law-violation
"He who saves his Country does not violate any Law." Said Dear Orange DicKKKTator.
"Wants to be a dictator. If you don't see it it means you don't want to," former Trump White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci said.
Mussolini: “Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.”
Shitler: “The good of the state stands above the law.”
Napoleon: “I am the revolution.”
Francisco Franco: “I am responsible only to God and to history.”
Shitler: “The good of the state stands above the LAW.” For emphasis... Of all of the quotes, this one most clearly shows that Shitler and Orange Shitler are Bros... Piss in a pod, who want to piss on us all, and turn us all into Pod People!
Tony, what, EXACTLY, did Trump say that made him responsible for 1/6?
"Hang Mike Pence", You PervFected moron, for starters!!!!
“Hang Mike Pence”!!! Dear Leader agrees!!!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-defends-jan-6-rioters-hang-mike-pence-chant-newly-n1283798
Trump defends Jan. 6 rioters’ ‘hang Mike Pence’ chant in new audio
The audio captured part of an interview ABC News’ Jonathan Karl conducted with Trump at Mar-a-Lago in March for Karl’s upcoming book.
Trump is PROUD of His Imperial Support for His Storm Troopers and His Political Violence, and can SNOT shut His Trap about shit!!!
PS, Mike Pence’s dangerous words and ideas were that votes, voters, established democratic norms and processes, peaceful transfers of power, and the USA Constitution should actually be RESPECTED!!! Now just IMAGINE THAT!!! This was HERESY to True Trumpaloos!!!
There were long-standing rumors from staffers about Trump agreeing with "Hang Mike Pence". THEN Dear Orange Caligula CONFIRMED them, 'cause He can SNOT shut His Yap!!!
Also this...
Der TrumpfenFuhrer ***IS*** responsible for agitating for democracy to be replaced by mobocracy!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.
Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.
Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is “stolen”) set up the environment for this (insurrection riot) to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, trumpanzees gone apeshit will be trumpanzees gone apeshit, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
It really should immediately make us think of Krystallnacht. Shitler and the NAZIs set up for this by cuntstantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Shitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
Go stick Tim's wand up your ass, Melvin.
"Hang Mike Pence"
Never actually happened. The videos were conclusive. One glowie started to shout it and the crowd called him a Fed and told him to fuck off.
Not even NBC stands by their story anymore.
That's what happens when you use 5 year old links, retard.
"Not even NBC stands by their story anymore."
Post a link to prove Your PervFected lies!!!
“Hang Mike Pence”!!! Dear Leader agrees!!!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-defends-jan-6-rioters-hang-mike-pence-chant-newly-n1283798
Trump defends Jan. 6 rioters’ ‘hang Mike Pence’ chant in new audio
The audio captured part of an interview ABC News’ Jonathan Karl conducted with Trump at Mar-a-Lago in March for Karl’s upcoming book.
Trump is PROUD of His Imperial Support for His Storm Troopers and His Political Violence, and can SNOT shut His Trap about shit!!!
PS, Mike Pence’s dangerous words and ideas were that votes, voters, established democratic norms and processes, peaceful transfers of power, and the USA Constitution should actually be RESPECTED!!! Now just IMAGINE THAT!!! This was HERESY to True Trumpaloos!!!
There were long-standing rumors from staffers about Trump agreeing with "Hang Mike Pence". Evil people (like YOU, Moose-Mammary Necro-Reptilian Necrophilian Necrophiliac!) can SNOT keep their braggery about being EVIL to themselves for very long... They feel CUMPELLED to BRAG about shit!!!
So here You go, Queen, Trump could NOT shut His Pervfected yapper!!! Telling Big Lies over and over again!!!
Get a life, Melvin.
The “Big Lie” is that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the 2020 election. I can’t believe you’re still pushing this after last year.
And of course, damikesc’s question was what did Trump say on J6 (not what did he say about the election or in interviews before or after the fact), and even if the “Hang Mike Pence” thing had legs (which it doesn’t), Trump didn’t say it, his supporters allegedly did.
The "Big Lie" was that the erections were stolen! The only people that this is true to, are deluded Trump-worshitting fools, and Spermy Daniels!
The below is how Trump brought about the insurrection BEFORE shit happened!!!
Der TrumpfenFuhrer ***IS*** responsible for agitating for democracy to be replaced by mobocracy!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.
Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.
Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is “stolen”) set up the environment for this (insurrection riot) to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, trumpanzees gone apeshit will be trumpanzees gone apeshit, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
It really should immediately make us think of Krystallnacht. Shitler and the NAZIs set up for this by cuntstantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Shitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
Get some better copypasta, Melvin.
Why say it now, and never before?
They (the congress critters) were totally okay with Pudding Pop mouthing off multiple times about ordering the military against conservatives and libertarians. They were totally okay with Obama murder droning American citizens with no due process. They barely said a damn thing about Bush and “enhanced interrogation”.
What do they all have in common? They aren’t Donald Trump.
Kill yourself.
Broken-record-playing Demonic Death-Worshitter Worshits Death... More news at 6:66!!!
Cuntsorevaturds making friends, gathering votes, and influencing people by... PEDDLING KOOL-AID AND SUICIDE!!! How's it workin' for ya, servant, serpent, and slurp-pants (pants-slurper) of the Evil One?
EvilBahnFuhrer, drinking EvilBahnFuhrer Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…
He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jim-Jones
Loves death and the dying moans,
Then he likes to munch their bones!
He’s truly, completely a necrophiliac,
His brain, squirming toad-like, is REALY, really whack!
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
Kool-Aid man, please listen,
You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer …
If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
Who would feed you? Whose tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!
Signed, Yours Truly, Heaven-on-Earth-Based Skeptic of Servants, Serpents, and Slurp-Pants of the Evil One
Fuck off, Melvin.
Just how retarded are you, Dr. Retard?
Jesus Christ Sullum. You are a horrible legal anylists and you are relying on a guy with no experience with the UCMJ and his own axe to grind.
There are mare articles in the UCMJ than just contempt towards officials.
And why will you not acknowledge that their speech accused the administration of acting illegally, while falsely claiming to 'be backing up' anyone who refuses and illegal order?
They are clearly trying to push people to do that. And they won't have their backs. It's scummy.
They may not have committed a crime but they walked riiiiióoghr up to the line there.
You are correct. The military is not the civilian system and you can run afoul of UCMJ by saying or doing things entirely acceptable in civilian life. Criticizing anyone in your chain of command is one such thing that must be done with care. Fomenting sedition through speech is another. Kelly is in big trouble if they decide to push this especially if he is recalled to active duty and subjected to UCMJ. I questioned an order from a Sgt once and was dealt with immediately. I never did it again.
Kelly isn't under anyone's chain of command.
It is not a crime to remind people of their obligations to obey the law.
Perhaps Trump could use some reminders.
This is about as true as declaring gwo suspects arrested in a drive by shooting were just out exercising their 2nd amendment rights. Fuck off you treasonous snake.
The author is technically correct. There is nothing illegal with stating the law and telling the military that they can refuse illegal orders. However, there is a reason the 6 senators made that statement and it was not to be good teachers of the law. They are implying illegal behavior and that is the problem. While legal, it is immoral to attempt to confuse soldiers. Most military members are not lawyers. If there was an illegal order, the senators should be specific and state the order that was illegal.
Finally someone gets it. Thank you Fred! 100% spot on. And a proper response to Charlie-son-of-Gus and rest of the pedants and trolls around here.
I am surprised that so many questioned what orders the six Congress people were referring to in the video. We now know the answer, shooting survivors of the attack. That is a war crime and Peter Hegseth should be going down for that order.
Meanwhile a google search for "Jacob Sullum Arctic Frost" = 0.0 results.