There Is No Such Thing as Good Industrial Policy. But Republicans And Democrats Keep Trying.
Real industrial policy has been tried—in many countries, by governments of every ideology. It fails every time for the same reason.
American industry has been getting a lot of hands-on direction from Democrats and Republicans for quite some time now. Every few years, someone looks at the underwhelming results of this economic maneuvering and insists that real "industrial policy" has never been tried. The truth is that the left's call for a "mission-oriented" state and the right's yearning for a nationalist industrial revival may sound different, but they share the same conceit: that their own intentions can finally succeed where decades of intervention have failed.
The latest person to revive this evergreen fantasy is Mariana Mazzucato, the Italian-born economist who has made a career out of championing an assertive, big-spending state as the engine of innovation. In a new interview with Politico, she laments that President Donald Trump's industrial policy—which includes tariffs and government equity stakes in private companies—is "an idiosyncratic hodgepodge," not the "holistic" strategy she favors. Mazzucato wants the U.S. to have a "smart, capable" state to guide investment with purpose.
Back in the days of former President Joe Biden's industrial policy, when subsidies, tax credits, and loans were flowing, an emerging Republican faction had a similar refrain, claiming that to revive American manufacturing, restore communities, and put men back to work, industrial policy simply had to be done right. We now know that this meant increasingly erratic tariffs, price controls, and government taking shares in companies.
Hope for both sides rests on quite a premise: that Washington can guide trillions of dollars to the right industries, produce a manufacturing boom, and maybe even heal America's social fabric.
The problem isn't that industrial policy has been done badly. It's just bad economics.
Dreams of reviving manufacturing jobs face the reality that modern manufacturing is capital-intensive and largely automated. Even if subsidies or government loan guarantees spur a factory boom—and history suggests otherwise—it won't bring back 1950s-style armies of industrial workers unless we somehow outlaw productivity. Today's factories run on robots and engineers.
Nor will tariffs bring a manufacturing revival. Taxing inputs and components only raises costs, weakens U.S. competitiveness, and ultimately punishes the firms protectionists claim to support. True American industrial strength rests on productivity, innovation, competition, and access to global supply chains, not on coddling producers behind walls of higher prices.
Mazzucato and her ideological opposites commit the same error. They imagine a politics-free technocracy that can "direct" the economy. In the real world, politics always dominates economics. Subsidies and tariffs are never tools of neutral expertise; they are invitations to lobby. Every "strategic investment" quickly becomes a political IOU.
Biden's programs came loaded with child care mandates, union preferences, and "Buy American" rules. Trump's industrial interventions are indeed erratic, but the notion that his protectionism would work if wrapped in a more "mission-oriented" narrative is even sillier. Industrial policy doesn't fail because it's chaotic; it fails because it's political, and human politicians are incapable of the precision markets achieve every day.
After conducting a sweeping review of five decades of U.S. industrial policy, economists Gary Clyde Hufbauer and Euijin Jung's conclusion was unambiguous: Subsidies and trade protections for individual firms have been politically irresistible but economically ruinous. Government protection delays economic adjustments; innovation succeeds. In the rare cases when industrial policy showed positive results, the government limited itself to supporting open, competitive research and innovation—programs like the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency or Operation Warp Speed—rather than shielding firms from competition or subsidizing failing industries.
Without that type of openness, supposed industrial policy wins will quietly lock in yesterday's technology rather than helping discover tomorrow's. France's Minitel, a government-backed precursor to the internet, looked like a national triumph in the 1980s. Millions of households were connected, citizens used it for banking, shopping and communicating, and the state could boast of digital leadership. Yet the system's centralized, permission-based design smothered innovation and prevented France from developing the open, global internet that would soon transform the world.
The illusion of progress turned out to be technological stagnation: a product that barely evolved over three decades. This is the unseen cost of industrial policy. By insulating favored industries and technologies, it freezes innovation in place and leaves a nation paying twice: once through taxes and again through missed opportunities.
So yes, real industrial policy has been tried—in many countries, by governments of every ideology, under every rhetorical banner from "innovation" to "resilience." It fails every time for the same reason: The visible hand of the government is clumsy, self-interested and easily bought. If that's what passes for a "smart state," I'll take the invisible hand of the market any day.
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Even with those vaccines which might supercharge your body's fight against the cancer?
Just drink plenty of HO2 and you’ll be fine.
Excellent. Create a massive uneducated unemployable underclass. They will come and steal everything you own. And you will deserve that.
Public Schools in the US have been around since 1635. Public assistance for the less well off has been around about as long and was for a long time based on a 1601 law in England. Greedy people like you do not belong in the US.
True American industrial strength rests on individual/private property rights. Productivity, innovation, competition, and access to global supply chains is the result.
Until those supply chains get cut off. And we haven't yet seen the point where no one wants those dollars in exchange for real goods - ie the end of reserve currency status or even partial de-dollarization.
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It's been said elsewhere, but how would an antitrust action work against a company with which the government owns a stake?
How about a government official with knowledge of an upcoming purchase buying shares himself?
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The people who have driven this nation 38 trillion into the red, aren't the brightest bulbs.
Correct.
He’s talking about Trump who added over 20% of the debt in only 4 years. Lol.
You do know that most of the blame goes to the people you endlessly defend here, right?
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And lead us not into Dick, but deliver us from Cheney
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If we got rid of all of you it would be very easy to cleanse the RINOs from the republicans party. Plus everything is always better when there are no Marxists.
90% =/= 100% Self-Projecting leftards.
Course, as the Self-Projection it obviously is, Democrats believe they never-ever get it wrong and like to project that belief on everyone but themselves.
Someone would have to bash me in the head with a 2x4 filled with nails before I could comprehend your stupidity.
projection
Both parties suck. That about sums it up.
But we strategically and reluctantly support one... after agreeing to disagree, that is.
Sockasmic drunkenly also supports that side.
Democrats sucked first. That makes it ok for Republicans to suck.
meaning; Democrats sucked first. That makes it all Republicans fault! /s
No, but fuck you for playing.
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This is an insane assertion:
Germany, Japan, Taiwan, China, SKorea and many others have heavily emphasized industrial policy. Notably by tilting their own playing field to encourage industrial (v commodity) goods exports (trade surpluses) and thus to discourage currency appreciation from penalizing industrial production.
The most brutally obvious example of industrial policy is the various five year plans from China - eg the 12th one (2011-2015) where they incorporated various policies to reduce fossil dependence and increase renewables industry. The result is that China is now totally and globally dominant in renewables. And China has the lowest electricity prices for any fossil-importing country (roughly the same price as Russia).
The US and UK are the two countries with a generally long history of not having much of an industrial policy. Or at least not a very good one. The result is that their economies are based on banking and selling real estate to each other - and selling arms to vassal-states.
There is not even a freaking example of industrial policy beyond Minitel. This is just more irrelevant ideological hand-waving.
China continues to grow its coal fired plant capacity remaining first in the world for carbon emissions. When it is cloudy, at night, and when the air is still renewables on a large scale need something reliable to prevent blackouts/forced rationing. Coal, gas, and nuclear all don’t go offline during such conditions/drop below 60 or 50 Hz. Nuclear can suffer from droughts impacting source water supplies (recall earlier this year one plant in western Europe which suffered from this) also impact yet-to-be-mentioned hydro, its own category imo.
Superpowers tend to transition from making things to service industry then to a welfare state due to perceived abundance and ignorance; the UK hasn’t yet figured out what is next for the former champ to stem further decline. Just needs moar govt…
"Coal, gas, and nuclear all don’t go offline during such conditions/drop below 60 or 50 Hz."
Ignoramus squared!!! The FREQUENCY stability of AC means very little!!! Shit is the VOLTAGE and the CURRENT that matter, for power delivery!!! P = IV, power is current times voltage!!! When there is too much demand and too little supply, the voltage will drop! Then you must cut off part of your load (a "blackout" to some of your customers) or drop the voltage (a "brownout", which is dangerous to some kinds of power loads).
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Right, Big Oil is exporting our cheap gas to China because renewables will never be economical…wait, whaaaaaaat??? 😉
Both the US and UK once were the industrial powerhouses of the world without much in the way of industrial policy. I'm thinking something else is the problem. But we could always go for more authoritarian government and less creativity too.
The US is still a global industrial powerhouse. Its second to just China for manufacturing output.
China has four times as many people, but our per capita income is six times theirs.
So the US should ignore the Debt till we suck as much as China?
Must be an equality bankrupt agenda.
You need to start addressing the spending before insisting 0% is the right tax amount.
Else you're just shoveling the bill off onto the 'icky' domestic producers.
They lost their manufacturing because they chose to be the reserve currency. That requires trade deficits to supply the currency to the world. Those trade deficits mean importing what was once manufactured - and preventing trade surpluses (manufacturing exports) whenever the global trading system requires liquidity.
I suppose choosing reserve currency status is a form of industrial policy - if sacrificing Main St to Wall St is industrial policy.
Except, the US dollar became the reserve currency at a time the USA was leading manufactures. Reserve currency status allowed and encouraged the US economy to get along with large trade deficits over a long run, but did not require it as some people think. It's not as if being the world's banker requires a large net outflow of currency and inflow of goods. The dollar could just buy a lot of foreign bonds and/or equity.
Arithmetic requires that the reserve currency issuer supply (export) that currency to the global market. Yes there are different ways of doing that but they are constrained arithmetically - eg
run a trade deficit where currency exports are offset by goods imports. That is NOT a 'free market'. It is an anti-industrial policy where FIRE sector is favored at the expense of Main St
run some other balance of payments deficits - eg send occupying soldiers - paid in dollars - overseas and have them spend that money there (not the same as looting).
have a group of reserve currencies where they agree on how much reserve needs to be supplied each year and switch turns on which country will supply currency v supply goods (via floating exchange rates).
I'm sure there are other ways too. But the clear and obvious fact, looking at the US current account deficit since 1980, is that the US chose:
1) to kill off manufacturing and preserve the dollar's value via Volcker's massive interest rate increase right through the 1979-1982 recession.
2)with that gained credibility that the US would agree to be the 'anti-industrial' power, the US supplied dollars via ever increasing trade deficits.
And yet America has a greater manufacturing output then all of the nations you mentioned less China. And all of the countries you mentioned have some of the worst population demographics. I'll stick with the no plan America over any of those nations.
Also worth mentioning, that all of them owe a portion their sovereignty and prosperity to America. None has the Navy to secure deep water global shipping routes that they depend on, less maybe Japan.
And yet America has a greater manufacturing output then all of the nations you mentioned less China.
Trump defenders equate employment with output. Kind of like Marxists. So when anyone points out the fact that the US is a manufacturing powerhouse, they deny it. Why? Because they imagine factories full of workers, not robots. When they say they want manufacturing to return to the country, they don't mean factories full of robots. They imagine men lined up at the machine punching their time cards. So their fundamental premise is based upon a false reality, making everything they stand for fallacious.
What’s hilarious is Trump supporters want to go back to the Carter economy. Manufacturing jobs and union membership peaked in 1979. Although the actual culprit in the 1980s was employer provided health insurance that made paying overtime more economical than hiring an additional union employee. The globalism job losses really didn’t happen until 2002 after Bush finished negotiating China into the WTO. So Perot was a classic “boy that cried wolf” because a very real dragon was lurking in the Pacific.
Chinese manufacturing is far more robot intensive than American manufacturing is. Not as much as Japan or Korea but still. China is no longer a country of peasants using screwdrivers.
The one thing that China is NOT exporting is their industrial robots.
Once again, your analysis is utter shit.
where do you get your stupidity? wow are you low IQ and brainwashed by far left Democrat cultist propaganda
Agree this was one of the dopiest articles I've read in a long time. South Korea's industrial policy started with steel and ships, went through vehicles, color TVs, DRAM memory chips, appliances, and cell phones.
Samsung alone is everything that GE wanted to be.
China dominates the solar industry because the government put up the factory buildings, and paid for the equipment.
And so what if factories are automated? Somebody has to program it, maintain it, and repair it. Every job in a modern factory pays well, bc ppl need education, training, and problem solving ability.
Time for the US to level the playing field.
Economics is leftist.
Stupidity certainly is
The problem is not that it's political, per se. If it were achieved by broad, open consensus, it'd still be inferior, by pursuing democratic (or technocratic or even autocratic) ends instead of aligning profits with free enterprise.