On National Guard Deployments, Trump Tells SCOTUS His Power Is 'Unreviewable'
Will the Supreme Court grant Trump the overwhelming judicial deference he demands?

Federal law says the president of the United States may only call state National Guard members "into Federal service" when certain specific conditions are met, such as when "there is a rebellion or danger of rebellion against" the federal government, or when "the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States."
According to President Donald Trump, he alone gets to decide when or if such conditions exist. Or, as Trump recently argued in a legal filing to the U.S. Supreme Court, "such decisions are committed to the discretion of the President and are unreviewable" by the federal courts.
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This particular claim of "unreviewable" executive discretion came in Trump v. Illinois, the case arising from Trump's immigration crackdown in the greater Chicago area. On October 9, Judge April Perry of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois found that Trump's federalization and deployment of state National Guard members in Chicago failed to satisfy the requirements of federal law because there was no rebellion and because the execution of federal law was not being prevented.
Then, on October 16, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit mostly affirmed Perry's order. "Even giving substantial deference to [Trump's] assertions," the 7th Circuit said, Trump's claim that an actual rebellion against the federal government was unfolding in Chicago did not withstand judicial scrutiny. Furthermore, the court stated, "there is insufficient evidence that protest activity in Illinois has significantly impeded the ability of federal officers to execute federal immigration laws."
As a result, the 7th Circuit left in place the district court order barring Trump from deploying the federalized National Guard forces in Chicago. For those keeping score at home, the unanimous three-judge panel that issued this ruling included Judge Amy St. Eve, who was appointed to the 7th Circuit by Trump.
Which brings us back to SCOTUS. In an emergency filing on October 17, the Trump administration urged the Supreme Court to void the 7th Circuit's order and allow the federalized National Guard deployment to proceed in the Windy City. "The President's decision whether to federalize the Guard," the Trump administration told the Court, "is not subject to second-guessing by the State of Illinois or a federal district court."
As a supposed authority for this claim of unfettered executive discretion, the Trump administration pointed to the Supreme Court's 1827 decision in Martin v. Mott. Yet the 7th Circuit reviewed that same ruling and found that it offered no support for Trump's position.
In a recent guest post at The Volokh Conspiracy, law professors Joshua Braver and John Dehn offered a detailed look at Martin v. Mott that explained why the case is no help to Trump. As they point out, Martin did not involve any question about the proper use of the military in particular situations. Rather, the case dealt with events that occurred during the War of 1812, a declared war in which British forces had literally invaded the U.S. There was thus no question in Martin about whether sufficient conditions existed for the president to call forth state forces into federal service.
By contrast, in Trump v. Illinois, the overriding question is whether the requisite conditions (such as "rebellion") even exist in Chicago at all. In other words, Trump v. Illinois asks the federal courts to look at a federal statute and determine whether or not Trump's assertions can be reconciled with the specific requirements imposed by the statute's text. Meanwhile, the Trump administration maintains that the president's assertions in the case deserve to be entirely shielded from judicial review.
The question now is whether the Supreme Court will submit to the terms of judicial surrender that have been proposed by Trump. We'll see.
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Think the authority should only be for DC. Let the blue cities pull the temple down on themselves. Just stop federal funding for cities refusing to properly address ginormous rates of crimes with victims.
What rate of crime is "acceptable" in your opinion? Let's think numbers. How many murders per 100,000 is "acceptable"?
Give me a number, and then let's apply that number uniformly throughout the country. That sounds fair?
*raises hand*
Zero.
Just so that I'm clear what you're saying.
You're saying that any murder rate of above 0 murders per 100,000 is an "emergency" and a "breakdown of law and order", that justifies sending in the national guard?
Am I understanding your comment correctly? If not, I apologize.
The goal should be none.
I live in the state that usually has the lowest violent crime rate in the nation. These deep blue cities have a rate about an order of magnitude higher.
An ideal goal isn't the same as an "acceptable" level. We can have a goal of zero murders and at the same time, have "X" murders per 100,000 people and say "Yeah, that's pretty good. I'm happy".
I'm asking for the murder rate above that. The rate, below which, you will say "That's a good job!", and above which you will say "This is an emergency, and it justifies sending in the national guard".
Are you saying that rate is 0? If not what is that number? Let's all settle on a number and then apply it uniformly throughout the country. To me, that sounds fair, and I'll leave the number to your discretion.
What is it?
Such a twisted dick question. Why are you even asking? It's like you are trying to set up a gotcha.
0 is the fucking answer. When local law enforcement is failing to keep the streets safe because of local policies reducing the size of the force or telling them to stand down, this should be reason enough for the Federal government to step in and make the streets safe for the people.
Afterall, this is about safety for the people, not some partisan political ideological war.
Trump is there for ALL Americans and sadly democrats are not. The proof is in the statistics, the opinions of the folks on the streets in their daily lives and the rhetoric and vitriol spewed by democrat leaders and the complicit media.
When local law enforcement is failing to keep the streets safe because of local policies reducing the size of the force or telling them to stand down, this should be reason enough for the Federal government to step in and make the streets safe for the people.
And yet, when the Voting Rights Act was put into place to make voting safe for "the people" , and Roe v Wade was put into place to make body autonomy safe for "the people", and when the Civil Rights act was put into place to make existing safe for "the people" ... all the usual suspects cried "States' Rights !".
??? Voting rights act? Does that cause any harm or death?
And the fucking lies strewn about saying Georgia's voting laws are Jim Crow 2.0 just proves the democrats do not care about the people and still act as though minorities are second class people.
Roe V Wade, did you say you are for the constitution? Well then you should be okay with removing Roe V wade. Did you say you are for democracy? By removing Roe V Wade democracy was handed back to the people and the States.
Sorry but try to stick to the subject, your non sequiturs just show you have no clue.
Just so that I haven't misunderstood your comment, you are saying that _any_ murder rate above 0 per 100,000 is enough reason for the federal government to step in and "make the streets safe for people"?
I'm not saying "right" or "wrong", I just want to make sure I'm not misrepresenting your point of view.
Just so that I haven't misunderstood your comment, you are saying that _any_ murder rate above 0 per 100,000 is enough reason for the federal government to step in and "make the streets safe for people"?
That's what they're saying. They want the military as well as Trump's personal police force stationed in every city in America, with absolute power and absolute immunity. But don't you dare suggest it's a federal occupation. No, only a leftist would say that. And you sure as hell better not look forward to the next election and suggest that armed men with total impunity might influence the results. If you do you know what the excuse will be: Mommy, Johnny stole cookies from the jar first and that makes it ok!
Thanks maddow!
That is not what is being said.
To respond to the loaded question above...
The murder rate has nothing to do with the current deployment. The deployment is due to intentional lack of protection for federal execution of laws.
You and bigwad are attempting a chaff and redirect to avoid the actual issue.
Right now protestors, and even mayors, are hampering the legal execution of valid laws which allows for the use of national guard to protect the execution of those activities.
You and bigwad then attempt to talk about general policing powers which is not currently what is being argued. Because youre both leftist dumbasses.
I have no opinion on the issue of lack/sufficiency of protection for federal execution of laws. These things are best left to judges to determine, and I will be happy to blindly agree to whatever the courts decide. They are better than me, so my opinion on that is worthless.
My comment about wanting an "acceptable rate of murder" was in response to the original comment about the "ginormous rates of crimes with victims". So my question was *directly* addressing the very words that the OP used, nothing more.
You fail to realize this is not for the courts to decide. Never has been and should never be. They do not make policy nor laws.
No one ever said that idiot.
No, I said when the municipal or state law enforcement fails to do it's job then the federal gov has the right to step in and should step in so the people are kept safe regardless of the politics.
Do you not agree that the people should have their tax dollars first and foremost making their streets safe and when elected officials fail or worse decide to not uphold their oaths then the federal government should step in.
Is it okay for citizens to have to live in fear and be harmed everyday because their local elected officials are actually breaking the law by not enforcing the laws that would make the citizens safe?
Don't try to go into this BS police state authoritarian bullshit with me either.
In this case, what this article is about however, we are talking about how Federal law enforcement is being attacked and requires support and the cities and states are increasing the need for the additional support and is why Trump has all the power to send in the NG.
* "Do you not agree that the people should have their tax dollars first and foremost making their streets safe and when elected officials fail or worse decide to not uphold their oaths then the federal government should step in. " *
I have no opinion on how local government spend their constituent's tax dollars. Voters decide that based on their votes.
*Is it okay for citizens to have to live in fear and be harmed everyday because their local elected officials are actually breaking the law by not enforcing the laws that would make the citizens safe?*
It might be okay, if the voters think there's an acceptable level of fear of being harmed every day. I'm not one to judge people's priorities.
*then the federal gov has the right to step in and should step in so the people are kept safe regardless of the politics*
I'll let the courts decide that. It's not for me to say.
There should be no acceptable level.
The safest state has a violent crime rate of 100 per 100,000 residents. The homicide rate is about 2 per 100,000 residents. These should be lower. The rest of the nation is appreciably higher and should be lower. Blue cities are much higher.
For example:
Chicago’s homicide rate last year was greater than 21 per 100,000 residents.
DC’s violent crime rate last year was 1,006 per 100,000 residents. Each of these super blue enclaves have a metric that is ten times (TEN FUCKING TIMES!) that of the safe state.
Ask democrats, especially those in DC and Chicago this question.
I mean, presumably the citizens of DC and Chicago are happy with whatever the rate is, since they use their vote to make their voice heard.
But this is about an acceptable murder rate in general. Let's all agree to a certain murder rate, below which it's "pretty good", and above which it is "Emergency. Send in the national guard".
If left to you, what murder rate is that? Is it zero?
You're obsessed with the chaff and redirect you think is a clever question. You also ignore the actual polling and support shown for these actions in those cities.
How do you know what I'm thinking when I ask the OP to give an acceptable rate of crime, in response to their own comment talking about "ginormous crime rates"?
Is it possible that you're projecting?
Less that 5 every weekend.
Regardless of the size of the population? In your opinion, the number should not be a "rate" proportional to the population, and should, instead, be a fixed figure?
You seem obsessed with this idiotic questioning. Do you think youre making an intelligent or legal argument as to what is actually happening?
I'm just a blumbering idiot. Silly me to ask clarifying questions 🙁 .
"...obsessed with this idiotic questioning."
Sealioning 101. Appears to be the same ranting fool that showed up for Root's last foray into pointlessness. The name Jack Jordan ring a bell? Sock?
Probably. But... why???
Did you not read the question you wrote that I answered?
"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer." That suggests a moderately high acceptable level of crime as the trade-off to limit the far-worse dangers of an authoritarian government.
When does that point change? 10 innocent suffer? 100?
Because o can point to el salvador and the people who lived under the oppressive cartels and gangs being just fine not living under those conditions now.
This quote implies government is the only source of oppression, it is not. Libertarianism isnt anarchy. It allows for government to protect rights of the individual. Rampant crime is not required for a libertarian state.
When does that change? Don't know. We've been wresting with that question for a couple millennia at least. I think we're closer to an answer than we were in Plato's time (though many today still seem to like his authoritarian answer) but probably no closer than we were at the start of the Enlightenment.
You're wrong in your characterization of the quote, though. Blackstone and his intellectual heirs do not believe that government is the only source of oppression - just that it's a particularly dangerous one and that defending against it requires trade-offs.
Better idea: let’s make judges and prosecutors stop releasing violent criminals back to the streets dozens of times in the name of some perverted idea of “social justice” until they finally get bored enough of no consequences for assault to stab a 90 lb. woman on a train, and work backward from there, hmmm? I’m sure we could find common ground well short of calling in the national guard.
Of course, that might assign some blame where it actually belongs, and we can’t have that. This is what pendulum swings look like. Take some responsibility.
The judgement of whether or not there is a danger of rebellion against the federal government is the President’s judgement, whether or not the courts agree that such danger exists. It’s the job he was elected to do.
DJT might be painting the blue cities into a corner. Those places have extremely high violent and victim crime rates. Even using the “official” underreported crime rates. Instead of sitting on his hands saying “You get used to it,” he deploys the National Guard to address those high crime rates that the D mayors and D councils have failed to properly manage. Those rates drop.
Then scotus rules saying, “Not so fast. You can’t do that.” DJT then has no legal ability to fix the team D created problems in team D places. Who owns the high violent and victim crime rates after that? Team D.
And yet the media would do anything but blame Team D after there is a school shooting.
(By the way, anyone notice the lack of school shootings in DC after Trump sent the National Guard there?)
That might be your opinion on how you want it to be, but that is not how federal law and the Constitution is.
Your opinion is meaningless. POTUS has the responsibility over the safety of America and streets in cities where elected officials remove safety, the federal government can intercede.
And since this is actually a situation where Federal law enforcement requires support to complete it's duties and municipalities and states do not have the authority to get in the way including the "sanctuary" laws that are unconstitutional then POTUS is acting within the law.
The very notion that ANY sovereign U.S. state might see fit to admit someone who is not from the Union must, therefore, be another constitution joke, haha
Again, states have no obligation to enforce federal law. States and cities declining to assist ICE is not them getting in the way of ICE. Sanctuary cities are nothing more than the local police not assisting ICE. Tough immigration enforcement is detrimental to local law enforcement because it makes immigrants less likely to call the police and thus disputes escalate.
Perhaps you need to try and learn the facts, the laws, before spewing the BS swimming around in your head. Your level of reasoning is far below necessity.
9th circuit says it is. Supreme Court said so when they removed the TRO for Newsome.
or when "the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States."
When the "regular forces" openly state that they're not going to enforce federal immigration law. That they're, in fact, going to brazenly thwart efforts to do so.
Good luck with that.
Or, as Trump recently argued in a legal filing to the U.S. Supreme Court, "such decisions are committed to the discretion of the President and are unreviewable" by the federal courts.
He's not wrong. We know the difference between "legally in America" and "not legally in America." And the Federal Government has undisputed authority to police the latter. The States don't get to declare themselves sanctuaries against federal crimes. Not unless they plan on seceding and foregoing federal aid.
You're going to lose this one, Damon.
Now, I will admit that some part of me rankles at the thought of Federal Power over the States. But I turn to a somewhat paternalistic mentality where Mom and Dad have 50 kids, and most of them more or less follow the rules. But then California, New York, Michigan, and Illinois especially are drug addicts that keep stealing from Mom and Dad's wallet and punching holes in the walls as they go off in their drug-fueled misplaced rages.
At some point, those pissants need to be put back in line.
Or kicked out.
This is why libertarianism never gains traction. Your desire for liberty quickly reveals itself as a desire for anarchy.
My impression is that Reason sidesteps the NAP aspect of this. They could commission Donut Operator to write a few guest articles.
All sympathy left me when I saw the press conference yesterday in CA where Karen Bass and some idiot congresscritter said they were going to put ICE agents on trial for kidnapping
A judge in Chicago just green lit the city arresting ICE employees.
They keep playing with fire and they will get burned.
Sadly the victims are citizens just trying to live their lives and democrats continue to prove, with their "resist" and false crisis, they do not give a shit about the people.
When did they do that?
Yesterday. Judge Jeffrey Cummings.
I would like to see them try.
This would give Trump legal and ethical justification to declare martial law in California, and suspend civil authority there!
The Constitution and SCOTUS precedent says that states have no obligation or responsibility to enforce federal law.
You are a fucking idiot. Seriously, this post is incredibly stupid.
The fact that States and municipalities do not have the authority to enforce federal law is not in question.
Nobody is demanding states do. But they cant impede the execution of federal law fucktard.
How are the states impeding ICE?
Anarchy: Anything the government may not touch nor alter, such as attending religious services during obligatory alien sacrifice events, such as undergoing.
Example: "The government canceled church services in order to evacuate people who may be designated flood victims."
Damon once again is too dumb to understand the actual argument. Trump and the doj argued his determination is unreviewable, which the 9th circuit jist agreed with. The law states by determination by the president.
From the ruling.
First, the district court erred by determining that the President’s “colorable assessment of the facts” is limited by undefined temporal restrictions and by the district court’s own evaluation of the level of violence necessary to impact the execution of federal laws.
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The district court then discounted the violent and disruptive events that occurred in June, July, and August, including the resulting closure of the ICE facility for over three weeks in June and July, id. at *1, 4, and focused on only a few events in September, id. at *10. Thus, the district court discounted most of the evidence of events in Portland from June through September.
[From Footnote 10] The district court also clearly erred in characterizing the events in September leading up to and preceding the federalization order. See Elosu v. Middlefork Ranch Inc., 26 F.4th 1017, 1023 (9th Cir. 2022). There were numerous instances of violent and disruptive behavior at the ICE facility in September.
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Rather than reviewing the President’s determination with great deference, the district court substituted its own determination of the relevant facts and circumstances. That approach is error under Newsom.
The 9th Circuit opinion specifically said that it was reviewable. The rejected that argument.
No it doesn't. Read the fucking ruling retard. It literally states the president's determination is not reviewabke by the courts. It is in their decision. Above lists lists the illegal acts in violation of actual law that was made by the inferior court judge.
Have you ever tried not arguing from ignorance tony?
"First, in Newsom, we held that neither the political question doctrine nor the statutory text precludes judicial review of the President’s decision to invoke § 12406 to federalize the National Guard. 141 F.4th at 1045–47. Thus, Plaintiffs’ claims are justiciable and the President’s decision to federalize the National Guard is subject to judicial review."
I still do not understand why MAGAs insist on lying about things which are easily verifiable.
Will the Supreme Court grant Trump the overwhelming judicial deference he demands?
Of course they will. They already have - multiple times. Next.
Poor retard
Good thing Biden never said his power is unreviewable. Imagine how bad that would have been.
Poor retard. What does the law stat. Whose determination?
When reviewing an exercisze of presidential powers, courts are supposed to ask themselves only if it is legal.
The SC already ruled that everything a Prez does as Prez is legal.
The majority ruled, in their own words, The dissents overlook the more likely prospect of an Executive Branch that cannibalizes itself, with each successive President free to prosecute his predecessors, yet unable to boldly and fearlessly carry out his duties for fear that he may be next. Not narrowly re the circumstances of that particular case - or even narrowly on the private/civil liability of Nixon v Fitzgerald - but broadly enough to undermine Ford's pardon of Nixon. Which is precisely the 'better' precedent than Biden's of how one Prez constitutionally handles a previous Prez 'legality of action'. One which the current SC is too fucking corrupt and partisan and stupid to understand.
Roberts had already undermined the ability of Congress to impeach/prevent Prez action by refusing to be part of that 2nd process which was, in effect, solely about declaring that action illegal rather than removal from office. Now that nothing Prez does is illegal, then what can possibly be the grounds for 'high crimes and misdemeanors' or violating the Prez oath of office to 'faithfully execute the Office of Prez'? IOW - not only is impeachment a practically politically impossibility, the SC has ruled it a legal tautology.
All to prevent what that majority simply dismissed as unpossible fearmongering. What the dissent stated When he uses his official powers in any way, under the majority’s reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune.
Surprise surprise - the current NG deployments are exactly setting the legal precedent for the latter - in the SC's own opinion. The not-possible happens within 8 months of a new Presidency and within a bit over a year of that Trump v US decision.
Ahh he did whatever the fuck he wanted and was turned back many times. You are clueless and stupid.
Actually Biden did not do whatever he wanted, whomever was pulling Biden's strings did whatever the fuck they wanted and Biden along with TDS riddled fools like you were happy to oblige.
Which means you are not only clueless and stupid but also not American.
The administration’s position in Trump v. Illinois seems to treat 10 U.S.C. § 12406 as a standing delegation of plenary discretion—the President alone decides whether the statutory conditions exist, and that determination is unreviewable.
If the courts accept that, hasn’t Congress effectively transferred plenary power within that domain to the executive?
And if so, should de facto delegations that function as plenary authority be regarded as unconstitutional in themselves, since they modify the separation of powers not by amendment but by delegation?
Doesn’t the intelligible principle test itself depend on judicial review to function?
If the President’s determination under § 12406 is treated as unreviewable, then there’s no way for courts to verify that his actions actually conform to the limits Congress prescribed.
Wouldn’t that erase the very distinction between a conditional delegation and a plenary one—turning what’s supposed to be guided discretion into an unconstitutional transfer of legislative power?
From a layman’s perspective, it seems that the deferential language Congress used in § 252 of the Insurrection Act (“whenever the President considers…”) is being imported into § 12406, even though that phrasing isn’t there.
Excellent reasoning, well-explained. Now if you would please, apply that reasoning to the Fort Sumter hypothetical below. If a single President should not have unbridled discretion to determine whether the congressional limits of the statutory delegation have been met, why should a single district court judge have the unbridled discretion to do the same?
I think your ultimate answer that the original delegation was an unconstitutional violation of the separation of powers may be the best response - but getting to that answer would require overturning a century or more of even more egregious over-delegations of power and I doubt the Court is ready to go there.
The Fort Sumter hypothetical is false equivalency on steroids.
1. The courts do not have "unbridled discretion to do the same". There are layers of appellate courts.
2. No one challenged Lincoln's response to Fort Sumter, so we have no idea how that would have played out.
The analogy equates an actual act of war with whatever is annoying Trump. It would take effort to come up with an equivocation that was more false than that one.
If the courts can review it - have not the courts transferred that power to themselves?
Why would a random federal judge - appointed, not elected, and effectively unremovable - be a better arbiter than the elected President?
>And if so, should de facto delegations that function as plenary authority be regarded as unconstitutional in themselves, since they modify the separation of powers not by amendment but by delegation?
IMO, yes. But that is not what the lower court did. The judge overruled the President's *declaration* of an emergency, did not rule on whether congress can give the president the authority to do so.
Is that you Jack? Seems to me that there are 2 things going on that are being conflated here. The statute requires insurrection or the inability to protect federal persons and property. Trump doesn't have the authority to prosecute state crimes but he has an obligation to enforce federal law and protect federal personnel. Here in the state of Illinois state and local authorities not only will not maintain order at Federal facilities, they are threatening to arrest and prosecute ICE agents. You can watch video pretty much every day from Broadview with mobs impeding federal law enforcement. We don't need a judge to define insurrection and it's absurd to claim that federal property and personnel are not at risk. Yeah this looks like another win for Trump at this point.
A prosecution of an ICE agent by a state for acts done while on the job would most definitely be insurrection.
Why does it not surprise me that Trump defenders support absolute immunity for federal agents. Meaning that they can commit crimes like rape and murder, call it part of the job, and Trump defenders will defend them. Always. Why is that the case? Because the victims aren't human. They're not people. They're illegal. That means they have fewer rights than livestock or pets.
Mollie Tibbets
Kayla Hamilton
Rachel Morin
Laken Riley
Al of them white girls who were murdered because illegalkind wanted to rape their white pussies!
So because some immigrants have committed crimes you think ICE agents should have full immunity to commit crimes?
Poe's law for the win!
We need to protect our people.
Our people does not include illegalkind!
Apprehending then deporting illegal alien rapefugees ≠ a crime.
You are lost and spewing drivel now. Seek help.
You're a poopy head.
Another retarded maddow strawman.
Agreed. But we haven't gotten there yet.
ICE agents are still subject to state criminal law and states prosecute federal law enforcement officers all the time and it is not insurrection. You think an ICE agent could murder, rape, rob someone and the state is not allowed to arrest them?
ICE agents are still subject to state criminal law and states prosecute federal law enforcement officers all the time and it is not insurrection.
I don't think that's the case. Courts invented absolute immunity for federal officials. So as long as they claim that the crimes they committed were part of the job, they are above the law.
"I had to make her suck my dick with my gun to her head while her children watched. It was the only way to know if she was in the country legally."
Pow! Absolute immunity for the win! Only a leftist Marxist with TDS would find something wrong with that.
Trump doesn't have the authority to...
Only a leftist would say that.
Or the actual 9th circuit you leftist fucking retard. Or scotus. Or the actual fucking law.
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"By contrast, in Trump v. Illinois, the overriding question is whether the requisite conditions (such as "rebellion") even exist in Chicago at all."
To imply that the threat of rebellion doesn't currently exist in Illinois, when the governor himself is threatening to prosecute ICE agents is... quite a statement.
It isn't a threat, merely a statement of fact with regards to dual sovereignty. If a federal agent breaks a state law, such as murder or rape, they can be prosecuted in state court.
Where does murder and rape come from? Worse than straw man BS attempting to justify a nonsensical position.
The insurrectionists have threatened to arrest ICE for fulfilling their duties and arresting people under Federal law. They should be arrested and indicted for insurrection and this how bunch of horse shit will finally hit the drain and be gone.
It's amazing how stupid people are being over making the streets of America safer. They may not become the safest streets in the world but at least attempting to make them not the worst streets in the world is now being accomplished.
Arresting immigrants makes the streets less safe because if immigrants can't use the proper channels to report crime and settle disputes then they will use other methods. Same reason that prohibition crated more crime.
In the minds of Trump defenders, that's a feature not a bug. They want them to get arrested and deported if they are victimized by criminals and then ask the police for help.
You are delusional.
I'm sure the streets would be safer if there were soldiers on every corner with orders to kill anyone who appears to be committing a crime. Yeah, they'd be much safer. It's really sad that the Trump cult would submit to that. As long as he's in charge that is. The moment a Democrat took power everything Trump was doing would suddenly become an unconstitutional threat to liberty. Because you, like every other Trump defender, determine right and wrong not based upon what a person does, but on the politics of the person doing it.
You are a fucking idiot. No one submitted to your delusional post.
Females in detention facilities, prisons and county jails have been sexually assaulted throughout modern history by male guards. Some have even been impregnated by their guards. Unless you believe in even more immaculate conceptions than the virgin mary that would include ICE/fed detention facilities.
Not sure were breaking new ground here. Sexual assault on a female detainee that happens in IL would give jurisdiction to the State of IL to prosecute it. Also not an objectionable or crazy proposition.
State doesn't have jurisdiction inside those facilities - any crimes committed there are federal crimes. So the idea that the governor is threatening to arrest federal law enforcement for prison rapes is ridiculous.
Yup you cited exactly the power that Trump has to bring the NG into place to support federal and local law enforcement efforts.
(3)the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;
As the municipalities are failing to secure the areas and make them safe for the public, the President is able to send in the NG. And as the main focus is support for ICE and or any Federal law enforcement, POTUS is fully authorized.
*scans the Constitution for the part that gives policing powers to the federal government*
Nope. Not there. Remember when Biden was president and Trump defenders wanted to get rid of the FBI because policing is not an enumerated power under the Constitution? I do. They claimed to be principled, which of course is always a lie. Principles shminciples. Trump defenders judge everything by who, not what.
More maddow arguments that have nothing to do with the actual deployment.
You leftist retards all have the same argument, why?
Interesting question. The rules for calling up the militia for federal use in time of insurrection were, from what I can tell, first drafted in response to the Whiskey Rebellion. Since most people aren't familiar with that time in history, though, let's see how this question holds up during a period that more people do understand.
What if Lincoln had called up the equivalent to the National Guard in response to the attack on Fort Sumter in 1861 and a judge ruled that was illegal? For the sake of the hypothetical, assume the judge was politically supportive of the Confederates and may not have been impartial in his ruling. Should any single district judge be allowed to overrule the President in such a situation?
The answer, I think, is a pretty obvious "no". No judge should be able to unilaterally decide that level of political question.
But if a district court judge can't, who can? If it's too dangerous to leave such unbridled discretion in the hands of a single judge, it's equally dangerous to leave such unbridled discretion in the hands of a single Executive.
Except maybe that power is not so unbridled when in the Executive's hands. It's time-limited and subject to Congressional override. And in it's ultimately redressable by impeachment.
I'm not a fan of Trump's action here. But I don't think the legal arguments being made against him hold up. They're being presented as absolutes yet would be obviously rejected in the situations for which these statutes were originally designed. Therefore, they cannot be absolutes. And where there is discretion, benefit of doubt goes to the politically-accountable branches.
What if Lincoln had called up the equivalent to the National Guard in response to the attack on Fort Sumter in 1861 and a judge ruled that was illegal?
Riiiight. Because an actual military attack on a military outpost by organized military forces under the direction of a hostile government is the same as whatever nonsense Trump is calling an insurrection.
You win the false equivalency prize for the day.
How do you describe the threats of Pritzker and Johnson?
You serious, dude? Under the Constitution the federal government has no policing powers. That's all made-up shit. Being that those powers are illegitimate and in violation of the 10A, mayors and governors are under no obligation to help or facilitate anything that those federal agents do. Not only that, but cities and states can and should hold those agents responsible for any crimes that they commit. Anything else is autocracy.
There is no policing under these NG orders you dumb retarded fuck.
Way to miss the point of a hypothetical. So I'll spell it out more clearly - the point is to test against a situation where there are no judgement calls and see if the legal arguments hold up. Do they?
Oh, I got the point. The point is to take two things that are not related in any way, shape, or form, say they're related anyway, and then use that as an excuse to defend Trump. It's poop in a can, and I'm not buying it no matter what the label says.
Meanwhile you keep repeating the false Rachel maddow narrative despite the 9th literally giving you a source to read if you were interested in anything honest.
Giving the president unreviewable authority leads to a worse outcome than no crackdown on crime. Orderly dictatorship or messy democracy?
It all depends upon who is in charge. If a Democratic president steamrolled over local governments it would be an impeachable offense. But because it's Trump it's ok. Get with the program. Right and wrong are determined by who, not what.